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June 30, 2009

Discussion Topic: On Trophy Deer And Honorable Hunting

Mike Leggett of the Austin American-Statesman sat down with 81-year-old veteran gun writer and whitetail deer authority John Wootters to talk guns, deer, and the future of hunting. As always, Wootters had something interesting to say. Here are a few excerpts:

On deer: "I love deer," he said. "I never loved their scores. I'm not a record-book hunter. I'm not sure I even approve of record books. I think they've resulted in a lot of abuse of the resource”

On hunting: "It's more and more an older man's sport. Hunting is on a downhill slide, and it's not going to get any better."

On the future on hunting: "I don't claim psychic powers, but I don't really like the way we're going. We've already gone past some of the limits of what I would consider honorable hunting," he said.

Check out the full article and tell us if you agree with Wootters.

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from meagel wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I tend to agree with him, since I have seen too many killers instead of hunters. I am always disgustecd when I see someone gloating over an animal that theyve killed, and bragging about what it scored. Dont get me wrong, I would be thrilled with a trophy deer, but I think hunting has lost a lot of respect due to excessive "head hunting".

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from bluecollarkid wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I absolutely agree with Wooters. The focus on snagging that "record" deer has turned the focus of hunting away from killing for survival/meat to killing for bragging points. I simply cannot get on-board with the hunters who are out to compare racks. Everyone loves to kill a big buck but I'm not trying to show up my buddies when I do.

Also, think about the tangent in hunting that is occurring as a result. All you have to do is watch the hunting programs on the VS Channel or Outdoor Life that take place on private "hunting ranches" and the advertisements that come along with them. Of course, I am an avid "fair chase" proponent.

As for hunting being an "older man's sport," I can't say I agree with that per se. I'm 28 and have been hunting since the age of 11. Perhaps the problem is that 1. young kids today have the attention span of about five minutes because of the various distractions available to them and therefore they lack the patience to "hunt"; 2. most "modern men," as Chad has expounded on before, have lost the tradition of hunting through political pressure and general urbanization as well as domestication and therefore their sons don't participate in hunting as a result; 3. the baseless fear that "guns are bad" and "if I have a gun in the home my child is going to shoot himself or someone else." It's not just hunting that's in decline, it's the "gun culture" that's in decline (even though gun ownership is going up ironically). Ever heard of PC gun ownership?

As for "honorable hunting" I completely agree and feel that the decline in "honorable hunting" is associated with the increase in blood-thirsty trophy hunting and all-around thrill-seeking we see in many you-tube hunting and shooting videos. People treat it too much like a game instead of a skill. Used to be, a "skilled hunter" was more revered than a lucky hunter. Now everyone can be a "skilled hunter" without ever learning how to actually hunt because of the above mentioned artificial circumstances many hunts take place in.

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from buckeye wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with the article. It seems like every year more gear come out and more deer feed comes out to create these freakish deer. I also agree that it is becoming an old man's sport. I am still young, in my late twenties, and have been hunting since i was old eough to shoot a pellet gun. It seems like kids are less willing to go outdoors these days, part of the blame goes to the parents. Children should not be aloud to stay in and play video games all day, they should be outdoors with their friends or parents hunting and fishing or even just camping. The future of our sport does look grim.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

Hunting has for many become a sport.. a hobby done to show how sporty and active the "sportsmen of hunting" are.. English foxhunting has been a sport performed by the upper class mostly and in a sociable setting etc.. and now its mostly banned cos its unethical.. is deerhunting gonna evolve into an unethical sport some time in the future too?? how can we who hunt now influence what will become our grandchildren and great grandchildren if we perform our hunting with questionable ethics now?? We must lead by example and sometimes when hunting with the young ones let a prey go cos we didnt feel like taking it.. that that is ok, and try to instill wisdom in our children not just knowledge.. teach them respect for life and that being an ethical hunter is more important than getting the biggest trophy and getting a record..
Then maybe it isnt gonna evolve into a bloodsport for manly men:P

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from peter wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

i agree with him on alomst everthing he said, especially how ghe said tht we are going past the honable hunting limits

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from jjas wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I have to agree (to some extent) about the Mr. Wootter's comments.

Few people small game hunt anymore. It's all about trophy deer now. Gadgets, leasing and trophy deer.

As much as I hate to say it, I think hunting is coming to a close for many. Their fathers don't hunt, don't have a place to hunt and thus their kids won't ever hunt.

My 11 year old is one of only two kids in his grade @ school that have ever hunted or shot a firearm. Out of 125 kids, only two. With numbers like that, how long can it last?

Jim

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from seadog wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I must be an old softy (as opposed to an old salty) because this article made me a little sad. I agree that hunting is on the decline--that's sad. Most of the reasons are out of our control but we can control the image we project. I know most hunters are honorable, but the non-hunting & public are going to remember the occasional bad things they see. Let's not help turn non-hunters into anti-hunters.
Also, it shouldn't be about the trophy. I agree with the general sentiment above that it's OK to take a trophy, but that's not what's important.

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from Walt Smith wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

What has wounded hunting more than anything is the creation of high fence farms. People see the Bubba Buck Hunter videos that come out of these places and they stereotype all hunters as these kind of idiots.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

i agree with all of you guys

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from Big O wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

Can't eat "horns" period.

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from buckhunter wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

I've always respected Wootters comments but I must be critical about one thing. I agree that the high fence breeding industry has jaded the publics perception of the hunter and I myself do not consider it hunting but I also believe if a guy wants to hunt behind a high fence. So be it. I've always thought it was more appropriate to simply explain the difference between fair chase and high fence hunting rather then ridicule the other. If you ridicule one hunter you've cast a bad light on all of them.

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from Big C wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

I agree with his comments. I never really thought about simply not having a record book on animals, but I think it would be one heck of an idea. Records just give people a reason to try and lie about who, what and where animals were killed. But I realize we live in a competitive world and that some people want to be better than everyone else. But I really believe that for most people hunting is more about family, friends and peaceful time in the woods than about the numbers.

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from shane wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

So right.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

Wow... really can't say anything that has not already been stated. Let's just hope that hunting has a place in the future. With less popularity that means less people to care about gun rights and hunting rights.

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from steve182 wrote 15 weeks 5 days ago

I agree with Wooterrs comments

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from meagel wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I tend to agree with him, since I have seen too many killers instead of hunters. I am always disgustecd when I see someone gloating over an animal that theyve killed, and bragging about what it scored. Dont get me wrong, I would be thrilled with a trophy deer, but I think hunting has lost a lot of respect due to excessive "head hunting".

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from bluecollarkid wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I absolutely agree with Wooters. The focus on snagging that "record" deer has turned the focus of hunting away from killing for survival/meat to killing for bragging points. I simply cannot get on-board with the hunters who are out to compare racks. Everyone loves to kill a big buck but I'm not trying to show up my buddies when I do.

Also, think about the tangent in hunting that is occurring as a result. All you have to do is watch the hunting programs on the VS Channel or Outdoor Life that take place on private "hunting ranches" and the advertisements that come along with them. Of course, I am an avid "fair chase" proponent.

As for hunting being an "older man's sport," I can't say I agree with that per se. I'm 28 and have been hunting since the age of 11. Perhaps the problem is that 1. young kids today have the attention span of about five minutes because of the various distractions available to them and therefore they lack the patience to "hunt"; 2. most "modern men," as Chad has expounded on before, have lost the tradition of hunting through political pressure and general urbanization as well as domestication and therefore their sons don't participate in hunting as a result; 3. the baseless fear that "guns are bad" and "if I have a gun in the home my child is going to shoot himself or someone else." It's not just hunting that's in decline, it's the "gun culture" that's in decline (even though gun ownership is going up ironically). Ever heard of PC gun ownership?

As for "honorable hunting" I completely agree and feel that the decline in "honorable hunting" is associated with the increase in blood-thirsty trophy hunting and all-around thrill-seeking we see in many you-tube hunting and shooting videos. People treat it too much like a game instead of a skill. Used to be, a "skilled hunter" was more revered than a lucky hunter. Now everyone can be a "skilled hunter" without ever learning how to actually hunt because of the above mentioned artificial circumstances many hunts take place in.

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from buckeye wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I agree with the article. It seems like every year more gear come out and more deer feed comes out to create these freakish deer. I also agree that it is becoming an old man's sport. I am still young, in my late twenties, and have been hunting since i was old eough to shoot a pellet gun. It seems like kids are less willing to go outdoors these days, part of the blame goes to the parents. Children should not be aloud to stay in and play video games all day, they should be outdoors with their friends or parents hunting and fishing or even just camping. The future of our sport does look grim.

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from ingebrigtsen wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

Hunting has for many become a sport.. a hobby done to show how sporty and active the "sportsmen of hunting" are.. English foxhunting has been a sport performed by the upper class mostly and in a sociable setting etc.. and now its mostly banned cos its unethical.. is deerhunting gonna evolve into an unethical sport some time in the future too?? how can we who hunt now influence what will become our grandchildren and great grandchildren if we perform our hunting with questionable ethics now?? We must lead by example and sometimes when hunting with the young ones let a prey go cos we didnt feel like taking it.. that that is ok, and try to instill wisdom in our children not just knowledge.. teach them respect for life and that being an ethical hunter is more important than getting the biggest trophy and getting a record..
Then maybe it isnt gonna evolve into a bloodsport for manly men:P

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from Walt Smith wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

What has wounded hunting more than anything is the creation of high fence farms. People see the Bubba Buck Hunter videos that come out of these places and they stereotype all hunters as these kind of idiots.

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from buckhunter wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

I've always respected Wootters comments but I must be critical about one thing. I agree that the high fence breeding industry has jaded the publics perception of the hunter and I myself do not consider it hunting but I also believe if a guy wants to hunt behind a high fence. So be it. I've always thought it was more appropriate to simply explain the difference between fair chase and high fence hunting rather then ridicule the other. If you ridicule one hunter you've cast a bad light on all of them.

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from peter wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

i agree with him on alomst everthing he said, especially how ghe said tht we are going past the honable hunting limits

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from jjas wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I have to agree (to some extent) about the Mr. Wootter's comments.

Few people small game hunt anymore. It's all about trophy deer now. Gadgets, leasing and trophy deer.

As much as I hate to say it, I think hunting is coming to a close for many. Their fathers don't hunt, don't have a place to hunt and thus their kids won't ever hunt.

My 11 year old is one of only two kids in his grade @ school that have ever hunted or shot a firearm. Out of 125 kids, only two. With numbers like that, how long can it last?

Jim

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from seadog wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

I must be an old softy (as opposed to an old salty) because this article made me a little sad. I agree that hunting is on the decline--that's sad. Most of the reasons are out of our control but we can control the image we project. I know most hunters are honorable, but the non-hunting & public are going to remember the occasional bad things they see. Let's not help turn non-hunters into anti-hunters.
Also, it shouldn't be about the trophy. I agree with the general sentiment above that it's OK to take a trophy, but that's not what's important.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 17 weeks 4 days ago

i agree with all of you guys

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from Big O wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

Can't eat "horns" period.

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from Big C wrote 17 weeks 3 days ago

I agree with his comments. I never really thought about simply not having a record book on animals, but I think it would be one heck of an idea. Records just give people a reason to try and lie about who, what and where animals were killed. But I realize we live in a competitive world and that some people want to be better than everyone else. But I really believe that for most people hunting is more about family, friends and peaceful time in the woods than about the numbers.

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from shane wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

So right.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 17 weeks 2 days ago

Wow... really can't say anything that has not already been stated. Let's just hope that hunting has a place in the future. With less popularity that means less people to care about gun rights and hunting rights.

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from steve182 wrote 15 weeks 5 days ago

I agree with Wooterrs comments

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