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June 18, 2009

New Jersey Approves Crossbows For Archery Deer

By Dave Hurteau

From a New Jersey Division of Fish & Wildlife press release:

On Tuesday, June 16, the New Jersey Fish and Game Council voted on adopting proposed amendments to the 2009 – 2012 Game Code.  . . .

The most significant amendment adopted expands the definition of "bow" by removing the prohibition on all draw locking and draw holding devices and by including crossbows in the definition. This allows the use of crossbows in any bow and arrow hunting season and other hunting seasons for all species where the use of bow and arrow is allowed. . . .

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Good for them, it nice to know someone somewhere sees the practicality in all of this.

For the record
Just because I have no desire what so ever for a XB, I do support those who do !

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from jjas wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

This topic has been hotly debated on the field notes blog, but here's my comment(s) from there:

As I've stated before, it cracks me up how people who use an 80% let off bow, with fiber optic sights, wearing the latest in scent control high tech camo, sitting in a padded treestand seat, over a genetically enhanced food plot, checking distance with their laser rangefinder while picking their hunting spot with the help of the latest digital scouting camera that calls their cell phone, thinks an xbow is crossing the line.....

and....

This is the same type of anti-use argument that was made years ago when the compound first came out. Oh, how the whole archery world was coming to an end and how the compound bows weren't "real" archery equipment. Now the vast majority of bowhunters use a compound.

Xbows will be the same. Some will use them for good, some will try them and go back to their compounds, others will stay traditional. There's plenty of room in the woods for all, IMHO.

Jim

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from peter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

im sick of crossbows in archery, they should only be allowed in rifle and muzzleloader, period.

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from trophyslayer wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with Jim. I don't see the need to ban crossbows from archery season. Someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't allow them? Many states have overcrowding issues and this is a great way to tone those numbers down.

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

More and more states will see the need to pass these crossbow laws, especially when they see them working!

I agree with Jim's statement too ... "Xbows will be the same. Some will use them for good, some will try them and go back to their compounds, others will stay traditional. There's plenty of room in the woods for all, IMHO."

A big + for you Jim.

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from Big C wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with Jim...with all of the possible gadgets out there, a crossbow does not cross the line. Hopefully it will allow more people to enjoy the outdoors.

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Compounds out shoot crossbows hands down. You would think the crossbow hunters would want the compounds banned.

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from shane wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Good deal.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

The seasons are not differentiated because of the way you hold the tool you are using, but the impact it has. Crossbows are as silent and unimpactful as other kinds of bows. The previous panic has thought that crossbows would be too easy and we would decimate the herds. The fact is, the herds are too big and need to be brought down. Giving the crossbow hunters as long of a season as the archery season is will allow more animals to be taken, without gunshots lighting up the countryside for 6 months.

My past comment on this is that the only people that can complain are the record book types because they are different. But I don't care about this, so I welcome crossbows to the woods. I might even try out my brother-in-law's if given the opportunity. More variety, and a new fun thing to try.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I got to tell’ya, those who get their knickers in a twist over a XB is the kind who will deliberately wreck the train instead of switching tracks or crashing the plane deliberately without pulling back on the yoke killing everyone because of sheer ignorance but most of all just because they can! Nationwide across the board the numbers of hunters are declining and they rather throw everyone under the buss, they just don’t give a rip! One more fact I want to put out, these anti XB individuals lack the knowledge, skill and not just how we hunt, it’s why we hunt and how to keep our sport alive!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

BuckTheSystem

XB are silent?

What model is that they all sound like a screen door slaming! :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

jjas

A +1 for you SIR!

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from 870 wingmaster 101 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Mabey more people will be interested in bow hunting now in New Jersey.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

It isn't a rifle going off. You have to be relatively close to be able to hear them. A compound isn't 100% silent either.

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from Tim Platt wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I have an X bow but used my compound last year... either way you have to be close. Really close. Everyone thinks you can shoot deer from 80 yards with a crossbow but it just ain't happening. Plus in my opinion a regular compound bow is more accurate. Not as many variables.

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from 60256 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Jim covered everything perfectly.

Nate

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

XB is still a form of hunting so why not. From my understanding, they are not having great success of getting hunters involves in the first place... so why not broaden it up.

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from jersey pig wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

speaking as a avid bow hunter who is recovering from an injury which now precludes me using a bow for a while im glad to not have to go through the headache of applying for a handicap permit (or the pride damage) to still enjoy bow season.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Peter: Ever tried one? Don't hate the game, hate the players.
Crossbows are here to stay get used to it.

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from jjas wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Jim

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

XB’s, what are they really hurting?

Seriously folks!

All this hoopla is nothing more than pure prejudice!

Reminds me of the HAM radio fight over dropping Morse code or "railroad code." American Morse is now very rarely used. But there are still old diehards wanting those to learn it as a rite of passage and nothing more which is another subject is why churches are declining today.

Put your right foot in!
Take your right foot out!
Do the huffy puffy and turn yourself about!!

GET REAL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Just because I’m not going to have a perfect hunt you really think I’m not going stay at home!

Earth is 2/3rd water, grab a paddle!

Earth is 1/3rd land, go explore it!

If one lives to the age of 75, that’s about 27,375 sunrises, but we are not guaranteed all those sunrises or even are we?

As one said to me the other day, “every person is like a milk jug, we all have a different expiration dates and only the good Lord knows what that day is!

So don’t rune some else’s sunrise just because of your own selfish ignorance, they too have the same right to have a sunrise such as you!

I’ll get off my soap box now

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from RAZORBACK wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with CC on the point of declining hunters. If allowing XBs will get more people (especially youngsters) involved in all aspects of the sport then I'm all for it. Besides if you look at the numbers XB's are no more effective than a compound bow. I know several adults and kids that hunt with XBs and they don't kill any more deer than the rest of us diehard compound and traditional hunters.

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

NICE icon "Razorback". That make 3 of "us" now right Mr. Cooper?

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I see no difference in using a crossbow or a compound/recurve/longbow. You can't shoot them any further that a "regular" bow, and in most cases I think you're better off with a compound. To each his own - I hope you guys enjoy the new law - hopefully it will open up more opportunities for hunters.

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

As a NJ bowhunter, i think it's more newsworthy to note they also are allowing Sunday bowhunting this coming year. As far as seeing a bunch of Xbow hunters, I don't anticipate a problem, I often hunt during the week and not as much on the weekends.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Good for Jersey! Them Jersey Devils better watch out now!
I just got an old Herters XB, found it at a flea market for $50. 130lb steel prod. a nice Walnut Stock (the way I like it), crossbolt safety and peep sights. It drives a bolt into wood like a nail hit by a hammer. Had to fab up a cocker of pullies and ropes 'n hooks to shoot it, couldn't draw the thing by hand with my arms. Perhaps someday Mass will make the same changes Jersey did.
Oh silent? Not so much, Clay has it right, a screen door slamming in an 80 mph blow! Thing is almost as loud as my .22 rifle!

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Sadly not only NJ will be slaughtering innocent animals on Sunday which I believe should be a day for the animals to be free harm, suffering and death but you all fought hard to get your right to kill on sundays and now you can kill till your heart content. So the next argument is with crossbow but isn't that only allowed with handicaps? How much danger would that pose to the public with handicaps shooting a weapon in the forest?. Its bad enough that non-handicaps can't even shoot right that is why they have to track the wounded deer sometime have to wait overnight. That is the pain and suffering you want to inflict on the animals on Sunday too?. God must be so disgusted with sports animals killers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

CarolineTC

Better go back to your Bible and study it further for the actual day of rest Sir!

Just because a billion people say the same thing, if it's wrong it's wrong!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

By the way, some think the world is still flat!
“[...] Even more preposterous than that was the attitude of Johannes Kruger, the revered founding father of the Union of South Africa. Until his death in 1904, Kruger, a fundamentalist Christian, clung tenaciously to the long discarded belief that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe. It is said that when he assumed the office of Prime Minister he assembled a large group of theologians, soothsayers and so-called scientists who were given the ridiculous assignment of proving that the earth is flat.”

from “Skeptic's Corner” at http://home.inu.net/skeptic/coper.html

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

CarolineTC,

Two things.

First. When the Lord feasted on Sunday, the animals were killed on Sunday. Sorry to bust your bubble but the man who gave his life for my sins ate meat and used animal parts for clothing.

Second. Nature is cruel. Not many animals have watched "Bambi" growing up so they continue to eat each other, mostly while the other animal is still alive and gorge themselves on fuzzy little bunnies and helpless fawns. Winters where I am from mercilessly kill animals with a long grueling death that takes days if not weeks. The Bambis themselves fight for food and force the weaker animals away to find their own death. It's a cycle of life more cruel than most can imagine. OH, by the way. It was created by my God. I'm sure the same God you pray to.

I think considering the ways to die in nature, give me the arrow in the chest anyday.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Caroline, the notion of one religious creed imposing its holy day on nonbelievers by prohibiting an activity such as hunting on that day is antithetical to the spirit of religious freedom. What would you think if Muslims were in power and prohibited hunting on Friday because the gunshots might disturb prayers? The game don't care about human calenders and don't go back to work on Monday.
For me and mine, hunting IS sacred if done respectfully and mindfully of humankinds stewardship.
Buckhunter, I think you may have a point.
A razor sharp blade will cut so clean a body wouln't notice the wound till one sees the blood. A broadhead to the heart and a person would exsanguinate in seconds, just like the deer. I suspect it would be almost painless...

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

To "Buckhunter", you think God would create a sentient animals for you to shoot a arrow to have the animals suffer and die? To drown in their own blood, die in their own poison or other horrific death that is part of bowhunting? If God wanted man to eat meat and kill why are mans body designed for plant eating.? Your intestine is long and pocketed unlike meat eating animals where it is short and smooth, your teeth are not designed for ripping and chewing carcass, you have no claws, nor speed that is why you have to purchase thousands of dollars worth of equipment such as tree stands, bait , lures, fake female, "buck in heat" and of course the weapon to do your killing. Plus in bowkilling man is required to wait at least 30-45 minutes before retrieving the animals because you have to make sure the animals dead. This proves 2 things, man is no "natural" predator in the animals kingdom for true predators will kill animals not wait for the animal to die for they have speed that God made which man do not, for man do not need speed to pick plants. Plants don't run.

You think God approves of you letting the animals die so you can find the body or the trophy? Pathetic. The bibles been rewriten by man, who is "king james"? he could be have been a selfish sadistic human who wanted excuses to eat meat and even to own slaves for slavery too was in the bible to the point of beating so long as they do not die. You believe that too? You cannot pick and choose the hypcorisy and evil its either the kind, compassionate merciful God or hunters "God" thats sounds no different the satan himself.

Plus meat eating related diseases and death is rampant and there is CWD/Mad deer dieasee where hunters have died.. Maybe God made those to punish those who take the twisted bible and cause so much pain and suffering to his beautiful creation. Animla do have soul (Nephesh) that is why God told man to drain the blood for blood is life is a soul. God granted temporary permission to eat meat after the flood and why Jesus came to end the bloodshed. I bet all of you put that bloody carcas of death inside a long herbivore stomach and whats worse is you cook it were its beyond death and Jesus spoke many about eating the "living" which is plants vs eating the the dead (animals). Your body is a temple and you supposed to care for it too but humans like these pathetic hunters or even those "christian bowhunters" think God wanted man to kill and put cooked carcass of a sentient animals with a soul into their body.

PS. I am no peta, peta is your people for peta kills animals and claim to "save" other animals. True conservation do not kill animals to "save" animals and true ARA do not kill animals to "save" animals either although peta killing does not cause pain and suffering yours does.

PPS. Why do you call yourself "hunters" you dont "hunt" you sit with a bait and wait for the aniamls to come to you then you kill. "HUnting" is to search and seek which the only time you do that is to follow the blood trails, stain or gut matter for the wounded animals.

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

I see no problem with crossbows, they are no different than Viagra, keeps the ole folks playing!

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

To Caroline TC- If you want to get your bible thumping axe on your hands and knees and graze in a pasture with the other cattle then have at it. I myself prefer a thick bloody steak. Oh by the way, you vagan girls taste funny.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

good point jim. freedom and variety is always good. let the people do what they please. if you dont like crossbows then dont use them.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

to CarolineTC. the bible says god gave man dominance over animals. it is insulting to compare hunters to satan. you cannot be mad at people because they are naturaly omnivores. its in our genetics to hunt and feed ourselves and family. our ansestors have done it since prehistoric times. humans are predators. you cant undo centuries of gut enstinct. hunting is a lot more than killing, you just dont understand. and thank you for insulting our lifestyles, traditions, families, and what we love to do.

PS nothing beats the taste of venison backstraps cooked on a charcoal grill with bbq sauce, bratwurst, and corn on the cob

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from Bella wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

What CarolineTC, you don't like the King James version? I ain't even Xtian and I appreciate the King James version! (they called him "the Wisest Fool in Christendom" you know). James Stuart, King of England and Scotland didn't write the bible version that bears his name, but he commissioned the college of scholars who retranslated it from what they had of original sources. Some suggest that both Shakespeare and Francis Bacon were involved in the work. At any rate, the King James version of the Bible stands as one of the greatest works of English Literature even today, on it's own merits, whether one considers it Divine writ or not.
Another thing CarolineTC you seem awful eager to impose your particular narrowminded views on others. It is a good thing you can't. As far as your misconceptions on Human biology go I suggest you go back to school. We are omnivores, which means we can eat and digest almost anything. Our digestive tracts resemble a pigs and don't ever make the mistake of assuming hogs are vegan. If a hog gets you down, it will eat your face right off. Lot's of folks been kilt by hogs. If you don't think people evolved to eat meat study the Inuit (Eskimos) who by neccesity eat a diet composed mostly of meat, because there just ain't nuthin else to chow down on most of the year. You wanna make all the Inuit vegan? You'll kill them all, when Inuit people go on western (southern! non arctic) diets they fall to diabetes and hypertension as well as tooth decay! Or maybe you think nobody should live that far north to begin with...Consider that with your self rightious attitude!

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from buckhead wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

I too agree with Jim, but this decision goes beyond sport vs. nonsport. NJ is absolutely crawling with deer in places that allow bowhunting only-if that. The state needs to reduce the population to protect the habitat, and this is one small step in that direction.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Dominiance means to be caretaker not the destroyer. Meat industry call us "omnivores" because we can chew (cooked meat) and digest meat even though our body not designed for it, instead its designed for plants. Of course we all have the genetic to "hunt" which is to search and seek like we do for easter egg hunting or to "hunt" for that lost tie etc. but as far as "hunting" animals which in reality is about killing not hunting and its not "natural " for man unless you have the mind of serial killers. Man is no "hunters' in the animal kingdom that is why man have to purchase thousands of dollars worth of equipment to sit in a tree stand with bait and lure waiting for the aniamls to come to you, then you kill. Actually there is nothing "predatory" or "hunting " involved you just sit, wait and kill. Man is no "predator" in the animals kingdom because without your weapon and all the other doodads you be a nothing, just a man whose body is designed for plants standing there looking stupid and probably become meals for the real predaotors of the wild who are omnivores and carnivores. Early man were nuts and seed eater (google "Man the Hunted"). Man hunted with spear which they created because of hunger and clothing to keep warm, so that was survival, today its not about food its about your pathetic desire to detroy life for "fun" no different then serial killers using weapons and tools to kill their victims.

"beats the taste of venison backstraps cooked on a charcoal grill with bbq sauce"

All that season, marinating, cooking then bbq sauce because man is no "natural" meat eaters. No matter how much seasoning you put you cannot destroy the prions in mad deer disease /CWD. But then I don't think you have to worry its the people at the pantries where you dump the body that has to worry.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

NJ is "crawling with deer" because they create this deer herd for hunters recreational purpose, to destroy life for "fun"..

Here is my blogger so many corruption from the hunting industry.

http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/

Why is it that the most heavily hunted state seems to have the most deer thus DVA's?. DVA's has risen because of hunting, it has not reduced.

@Bella, Pigs is a species of their own uniqueness and they are not the same as man, their pain and suffering maybe but not the anatomy. Inuits had to consume blood and blubber for survival in the cold where they had no choice, yet they had a short life span.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

If its about overpopulation why do you all reject deer birth control. You are "concerned" about human lives in deer vehicle accidents are you not? All that "concern" is a lie, you only want excuses to kill and want to make sure deer will abundance by next year deer killing season. When I visit "deer management" website, Game comission, DNR etc somehow I always see the word "produce" "provide", "fawn crops" , "food plots" , "deer supplement", " fawn recruts" "kill coyotes" etc, why is that if its about "reduciton"?

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Caroline, you are on the wrong god blessed wesbsite. maybe be you should try PETA.com (People for Eating Tasty Animals) mmmmm. hungary just thinkin about it.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Deer Birth control? What you going to give the does pills a couple times a month? Prevent animal suffering? Ever seen one ripped apart by a pack of coyotes, wolves, bear, bobcat, mountain lion, fox, whatever else in the "natural world?" A lot of animals start eating their prey before they kill it. You talk about all these hunting accidents. We had around 700,000 people in the woods last year and a dozen or so accidents. The accidents suck yes, but compare that to even going to the doctor, car accidents, going to the bathroom, riding a bike, walkng a dog, going to sleep, running on a tread mill. Just some examples. I will take hunting odds anyday. A few years ago, here in WI. A disease called CWD infected our deer herd. This disease, that not only threatens the deer herd it threatens farm animals. The DNR thought it would be a good idea to eradicate the deer herd in pretty much the southern part of WI. Not only impossible, but very expensive and virtually ineffective. Deer are good at what they do. a healthy herd of deer, the does will produce an average of about 1.7 fawns per doe a year. Yes hunting in the end is about killing, but so is life. Anyone who says different has their head so far up something that they will never see the light of day. We survive not by our physical skills, but by our mental skills. Goes for vegans also. Not to mention all the natural land they take up to grow there "natural food." Just because we are smarter than every other organism on Earth, doesn't mean we are any different. Like it or not we are part of the natural cycle and are at the top of the food chain. I work with a so called "animal lover." He never gets outside away from his video games, never has heard the chirp of a chipmunk. He says he never has killed an animal, all the while he was gulping down a burger. Yes hunting and fishing is big business. In WI alone, it is a $500,000,000+ dollar a year industry. Most of that money goes back into the environment if it is not pilfered by other state agencies. Not to mention all of the other organizations, like Ducks Unlimited, Safari Club Interenational, Whitetails unlimited, Wisconsin Waterfowl Association, and many more, that raise millions upon millions to keep our natural world natural. Make new wetlands and such. Yes they do this for hunting/fishing purposes, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. More wetlands, greenspace, hmm isn't that what you are supposedly for? I ask you this, how much money do you donate to save the environment? I am not a wealthy person, but the outdoors mean everything to me. I give what I can when i can. Only up to about $1000 a year. if you do give great.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

P.S show me one proven case that CWD was the cause of a human death. It has been proven more than once, that it cannot be tr

Are prion diseases transmissible to humans?

Although there is considerable ongoing research on this issue, there is no confirmed human neurologic disease linked to CWD at this time. In addition, there have never been any indications of human illness related to scrapie, a prion disease found in sheep. However, ingestion of cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) overseas appears to be related to human deaths from a new variant of a previously identified neurologic disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD).
Taken from NY Dept of Heatlh

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Thank you huntcamp. cant put it any better. thats a +1

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from jjas wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

This topic has been hotly debated on the field notes blog, but here's my comment(s) from there:

As I've stated before, it cracks me up how people who use an 80% let off bow, with fiber optic sights, wearing the latest in scent control high tech camo, sitting in a padded treestand seat, over a genetically enhanced food plot, checking distance with their laser rangefinder while picking their hunting spot with the help of the latest digital scouting camera that calls their cell phone, thinks an xbow is crossing the line.....

and....

This is the same type of anti-use argument that was made years ago when the compound first came out. Oh, how the whole archery world was coming to an end and how the compound bows weren't "real" archery equipment. Now the vast majority of bowhunters use a compound.

Xbows will be the same. Some will use them for good, some will try them and go back to their compounds, others will stay traditional. There's plenty of room in the woods for all, IMHO.

Jim

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I got to tell’ya, those who get their knickers in a twist over a XB is the kind who will deliberately wreck the train instead of switching tracks or crashing the plane deliberately without pulling back on the yoke killing everyone because of sheer ignorance but most of all just because they can! Nationwide across the board the numbers of hunters are declining and they rather throw everyone under the buss, they just don’t give a rip! One more fact I want to put out, these anti XB individuals lack the knowledge, skill and not just how we hunt, it’s why we hunt and how to keep our sport alive!!

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Peter: Ever tried one? Don't hate the game, hate the players.
Crossbows are here to stay get used to it.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Just because I’m not going to have a perfect hunt you really think I’m not going stay at home!

Earth is 2/3rd water, grab a paddle!

Earth is 1/3rd land, go explore it!

If one lives to the age of 75, that’s about 27,375 sunrises, but we are not guaranteed all those sunrises or even are we?

As one said to me the other day, “every person is like a milk jug, we all have a different expiration dates and only the good Lord knows what that day is!

So don’t rune some else’s sunrise just because of your own selfish ignorance, they too have the same right to have a sunrise such as you!

I’ll get off my soap box now

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Good for them, it nice to know someone somewhere sees the practicality in all of this.

For the record
Just because I have no desire what so ever for a XB, I do support those who do !

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Compounds out shoot crossbows hands down. You would think the crossbow hunters would want the compounds banned.

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from Tim Platt wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I have an X bow but used my compound last year... either way you have to be close. Really close. Everyone thinks you can shoot deer from 80 yards with a crossbow but it just ain't happening. Plus in my opinion a regular compound bow is more accurate. Not as many variables.

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from FloridaHunter1226 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

XB is still a form of hunting so why not. From my understanding, they are not having great success of getting hunters involves in the first place... so why not broaden it up.

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from jersey pig wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

speaking as a avid bow hunter who is recovering from an injury which now precludes me using a bow for a while im glad to not have to go through the headache of applying for a handicap permit (or the pride damage) to still enjoy bow season.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

XB’s, what are they really hurting?

Seriously folks!

All this hoopla is nothing more than pure prejudice!

Reminds me of the HAM radio fight over dropping Morse code or "railroad code." American Morse is now very rarely used. But there are still old diehards wanting those to learn it as a rite of passage and nothing more which is another subject is why churches are declining today.

Put your right foot in!
Take your right foot out!
Do the huffy puffy and turn yourself about!!

GET REAL!

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I see no difference in using a crossbow or a compound/recurve/longbow. You can't shoot them any further that a "regular" bow, and in most cases I think you're better off with a compound. To each his own - I hope you guys enjoy the new law - hopefully it will open up more opportunities for hunters.

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from trophyslayer wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with Jim. I don't see the need to ban crossbows from archery season. Someone give me a good reason why we shouldn't allow them? Many states have overcrowding issues and this is a great way to tone those numbers down.

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from 2Poppa wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

More and more states will see the need to pass these crossbow laws, especially when they see them working!

I agree with Jim's statement too ... "Xbows will be the same. Some will use them for good, some will try them and go back to their compounds, others will stay traditional. There's plenty of room in the woods for all, IMHO."

A big + for you Jim.

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from Big C wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with Jim...with all of the possible gadgets out there, a crossbow does not cross the line. Hopefully it will allow more people to enjoy the outdoors.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

The seasons are not differentiated because of the way you hold the tool you are using, but the impact it has. Crossbows are as silent and unimpactful as other kinds of bows. The previous panic has thought that crossbows would be too easy and we would decimate the herds. The fact is, the herds are too big and need to be brought down. Giving the crossbow hunters as long of a season as the archery season is will allow more animals to be taken, without gunshots lighting up the countryside for 6 months.

My past comment on this is that the only people that can complain are the record book types because they are different. But I don't care about this, so I welcome crossbows to the woods. I might even try out my brother-in-law's if given the opportunity. More variety, and a new fun thing to try.

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from 870 wingmaster 101 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Mabey more people will be interested in bow hunting now in New Jersey.

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from BuckTheSystem wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

It isn't a rifle going off. You have to be relatively close to be able to hear them. A compound isn't 100% silent either.

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from 60256 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Jim covered everything perfectly.

Nate

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from jjas wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Thanks for the positive comments guys.

Jim

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from RAZORBACK wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

I agree with CC on the point of declining hunters. If allowing XBs will get more people (especially youngsters) involved in all aspects of the sport then I'm all for it. Besides if you look at the numbers XB's are no more effective than a compound bow. I know several adults and kids that hunt with XBs and they don't kill any more deer than the rest of us diehard compound and traditional hunters.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Good for Jersey! Them Jersey Devils better watch out now!
I just got an old Herters XB, found it at a flea market for $50. 130lb steel prod. a nice Walnut Stock (the way I like it), crossbolt safety and peep sights. It drives a bolt into wood like a nail hit by a hammer. Had to fab up a cocker of pullies and ropes 'n hooks to shoot it, couldn't draw the thing by hand with my arms. Perhaps someday Mass will make the same changes Jersey did.
Oh silent? Not so much, Clay has it right, a screen door slamming in an 80 mph blow! Thing is almost as loud as my .22 rifle!

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

I see no problem with crossbows, they are no different than Viagra, keeps the ole folks playing!

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Deer Birth control? What you going to give the does pills a couple times a month? Prevent animal suffering? Ever seen one ripped apart by a pack of coyotes, wolves, bear, bobcat, mountain lion, fox, whatever else in the "natural world?" A lot of animals start eating their prey before they kill it. You talk about all these hunting accidents. We had around 700,000 people in the woods last year and a dozen or so accidents. The accidents suck yes, but compare that to even going to the doctor, car accidents, going to the bathroom, riding a bike, walkng a dog, going to sleep, running on a tread mill. Just some examples. I will take hunting odds anyday. A few years ago, here in WI. A disease called CWD infected our deer herd. This disease, that not only threatens the deer herd it threatens farm animals. The DNR thought it would be a good idea to eradicate the deer herd in pretty much the southern part of WI. Not only impossible, but very expensive and virtually ineffective. Deer are good at what they do. a healthy herd of deer, the does will produce an average of about 1.7 fawns per doe a year. Yes hunting in the end is about killing, but so is life. Anyone who says different has their head so far up something that they will never see the light of day. We survive not by our physical skills, but by our mental skills. Goes for vegans also. Not to mention all the natural land they take up to grow there "natural food." Just because we are smarter than every other organism on Earth, doesn't mean we are any different. Like it or not we are part of the natural cycle and are at the top of the food chain. I work with a so called "animal lover." He never gets outside away from his video games, never has heard the chirp of a chipmunk. He says he never has killed an animal, all the while he was gulping down a burger. Yes hunting and fishing is big business. In WI alone, it is a $500,000,000+ dollar a year industry. Most of that money goes back into the environment if it is not pilfered by other state agencies. Not to mention all of the other organizations, like Ducks Unlimited, Safari Club Interenational, Whitetails unlimited, Wisconsin Waterfowl Association, and many more, that raise millions upon millions to keep our natural world natural. Make new wetlands and such. Yes they do this for hunting/fishing purposes, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander. More wetlands, greenspace, hmm isn't that what you are supposedly for? I ask you this, how much money do you donate to save the environment? I am not a wealthy person, but the outdoors mean everything to me. I give what I can when i can. Only up to about $1000 a year. if you do give great.

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from huntcamp wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

P.S show me one proven case that CWD was the cause of a human death. It has been proven more than once, that it cannot be tr

Are prion diseases transmissible to humans?

Although there is considerable ongoing research on this issue, there is no confirmed human neurologic disease linked to CWD at this time. In addition, there have never been any indications of human illness related to scrapie, a prion disease found in sheep. However, ingestion of cattle infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) overseas appears to be related to human deaths from a new variant of a previously identified neurologic disease, Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD).
Taken from NY Dept of Heatlh

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from shane wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

Good deal.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

BuckTheSystem

XB are silent?

What model is that they all sound like a screen door slaming! :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

jjas

A +1 for you SIR!

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from Big O wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

NICE icon "Razorback". That make 3 of "us" now right Mr. Cooper?

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from steve182 wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

As a NJ bowhunter, i think it's more newsworthy to note they also are allowing Sunday bowhunting this coming year. As far as seeing a bunch of Xbow hunters, I don't anticipate a problem, I often hunt during the week and not as much on the weekends.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

CarolineTC

Better go back to your Bible and study it further for the actual day of rest Sir!

Just because a billion people say the same thing, if it's wrong it's wrong!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

By the way, some think the world is still flat!
“[...] Even more preposterous than that was the attitude of Johannes Kruger, the revered founding father of the Union of South Africa. Until his death in 1904, Kruger, a fundamentalist Christian, clung tenaciously to the long discarded belief that the earth is flat and at the center of the universe. It is said that when he assumed the office of Prime Minister he assembled a large group of theologians, soothsayers and so-called scientists who were given the ridiculous assignment of proving that the earth is flat.”

from “Skeptic's Corner” at http://home.inu.net/skeptic/coper.html

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from buckhunter wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

CarolineTC,

Two things.

First. When the Lord feasted on Sunday, the animals were killed on Sunday. Sorry to bust your bubble but the man who gave his life for my sins ate meat and used animal parts for clothing.

Second. Nature is cruel. Not many animals have watched "Bambi" growing up so they continue to eat each other, mostly while the other animal is still alive and gorge themselves on fuzzy little bunnies and helpless fawns. Winters where I am from mercilessly kill animals with a long grueling death that takes days if not weeks. The Bambis themselves fight for food and force the weaker animals away to find their own death. It's a cycle of life more cruel than most can imagine. OH, by the way. It was created by my God. I'm sure the same God you pray to.

I think considering the ways to die in nature, give me the arrow in the chest anyday.

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from Bella wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Caroline, the notion of one religious creed imposing its holy day on nonbelievers by prohibiting an activity such as hunting on that day is antithetical to the spirit of religious freedom. What would you think if Muslims were in power and prohibited hunting on Friday because the gunshots might disturb prayers? The game don't care about human calenders and don't go back to work on Monday.
For me and mine, hunting IS sacred if done respectfully and mindfully of humankinds stewardship.
Buckhunter, I think you may have a point.
A razor sharp blade will cut so clean a body wouln't notice the wound till one sees the blood. A broadhead to the heart and a person would exsanguinate in seconds, just like the deer. I suspect it would be almost painless...

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from Walt Smith wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

To Caroline TC- If you want to get your bible thumping axe on your hands and knees and graze in a pasture with the other cattle then have at it. I myself prefer a thick bloody steak. Oh by the way, you vagan girls taste funny.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

good point jim. freedom and variety is always good. let the people do what they please. if you dont like crossbows then dont use them.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

to CarolineTC. the bible says god gave man dominance over animals. it is insulting to compare hunters to satan. you cannot be mad at people because they are naturaly omnivores. its in our genetics to hunt and feed ourselves and family. our ansestors have done it since prehistoric times. humans are predators. you cant undo centuries of gut enstinct. hunting is a lot more than killing, you just dont understand. and thank you for insulting our lifestyles, traditions, families, and what we love to do.

PS nothing beats the taste of venison backstraps cooked on a charcoal grill with bbq sauce, bratwurst, and corn on the cob

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from Bella wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

What CarolineTC, you don't like the King James version? I ain't even Xtian and I appreciate the King James version! (they called him "the Wisest Fool in Christendom" you know). James Stuart, King of England and Scotland didn't write the bible version that bears his name, but he commissioned the college of scholars who retranslated it from what they had of original sources. Some suggest that both Shakespeare and Francis Bacon were involved in the work. At any rate, the King James version of the Bible stands as one of the greatest works of English Literature even today, on it's own merits, whether one considers it Divine writ or not.
Another thing CarolineTC you seem awful eager to impose your particular narrowminded views on others. It is a good thing you can't. As far as your misconceptions on Human biology go I suggest you go back to school. We are omnivores, which means we can eat and digest almost anything. Our digestive tracts resemble a pigs and don't ever make the mistake of assuming hogs are vegan. If a hog gets you down, it will eat your face right off. Lot's of folks been kilt by hogs. If you don't think people evolved to eat meat study the Inuit (Eskimos) who by neccesity eat a diet composed mostly of meat, because there just ain't nuthin else to chow down on most of the year. You wanna make all the Inuit vegan? You'll kill them all, when Inuit people go on western (southern! non arctic) diets they fall to diabetes and hypertension as well as tooth decay! Or maybe you think nobody should live that far north to begin with...Consider that with your self rightious attitude!

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from buckhead wrote 4 years 41 weeks ago

I too agree with Jim, but this decision goes beyond sport vs. nonsport. NJ is absolutely crawling with deer in places that allow bowhunting only-if that. The state needs to reduce the population to protect the habitat, and this is one small step in that direction.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

NJ is "crawling with deer" because they create this deer herd for hunters recreational purpose, to destroy life for "fun"..

Here is my blogger so many corruption from the hunting industry.

http://mathew5-7.blogspot.com/

Why is it that the most heavily hunted state seems to have the most deer thus DVA's?. DVA's has risen because of hunting, it has not reduced.

@Bella, Pigs is a species of their own uniqueness and they are not the same as man, their pain and suffering maybe but not the anatomy. Inuits had to consume blood and blubber for survival in the cold where they had no choice, yet they had a short life span.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

If its about overpopulation why do you all reject deer birth control. You are "concerned" about human lives in deer vehicle accidents are you not? All that "concern" is a lie, you only want excuses to kill and want to make sure deer will abundance by next year deer killing season. When I visit "deer management" website, Game comission, DNR etc somehow I always see the word "produce" "provide", "fawn crops" , "food plots" , "deer supplement", " fawn recruts" "kill coyotes" etc, why is that if its about "reduciton"?

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Caroline, you are on the wrong god blessed wesbsite. maybe be you should try PETA.com (People for Eating Tasty Animals) mmmmm. hungary just thinkin about it.

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from GiantWhitetails wrote 4 years 39 weeks ago

Thank you huntcamp. cant put it any better. thats a +1

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

Sadly not only NJ will be slaughtering innocent animals on Sunday which I believe should be a day for the animals to be free harm, suffering and death but you all fought hard to get your right to kill on sundays and now you can kill till your heart content. So the next argument is with crossbow but isn't that only allowed with handicaps? How much danger would that pose to the public with handicaps shooting a weapon in the forest?. Its bad enough that non-handicaps can't even shoot right that is why they have to track the wounded deer sometime have to wait overnight. That is the pain and suffering you want to inflict on the animals on Sunday too?. God must be so disgusted with sports animals killers.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

To "Buckhunter", you think God would create a sentient animals for you to shoot a arrow to have the animals suffer and die? To drown in their own blood, die in their own poison or other horrific death that is part of bowhunting? If God wanted man to eat meat and kill why are mans body designed for plant eating.? Your intestine is long and pocketed unlike meat eating animals where it is short and smooth, your teeth are not designed for ripping and chewing carcass, you have no claws, nor speed that is why you have to purchase thousands of dollars worth of equipment such as tree stands, bait , lures, fake female, "buck in heat" and of course the weapon to do your killing. Plus in bowkilling man is required to wait at least 30-45 minutes before retrieving the animals because you have to make sure the animals dead. This proves 2 things, man is no "natural" predator in the animals kingdom for true predators will kill animals not wait for the animal to die for they have speed that God made which man do not, for man do not need speed to pick plants. Plants don't run.

You think God approves of you letting the animals die so you can find the body or the trophy? Pathetic. The bibles been rewriten by man, who is "king james"? he could be have been a selfish sadistic human who wanted excuses to eat meat and even to own slaves for slavery too was in the bible to the point of beating so long as they do not die. You believe that too? You cannot pick and choose the hypcorisy and evil its either the kind, compassionate merciful God or hunters "God" thats sounds no different the satan himself.

Plus meat eating related diseases and death is rampant and there is CWD/Mad deer dieasee where hunters have died.. Maybe God made those to punish those who take the twisted bible and cause so much pain and suffering to his beautiful creation. Animla do have soul (Nephesh) that is why God told man to drain the blood for blood is life is a soul. God granted temporary permission to eat meat after the flood and why Jesus came to end the bloodshed. I bet all of you put that bloody carcas of death inside a long herbivore stomach and whats worse is you cook it were its beyond death and Jesus spoke many about eating the "living" which is plants vs eating the the dead (animals). Your body is a temple and you supposed to care for it too but humans like these pathetic hunters or even those "christian bowhunters" think God wanted man to kill and put cooked carcass of a sentient animals with a soul into their body.

PS. I am no peta, peta is your people for peta kills animals and claim to "save" other animals. True conservation do not kill animals to "save" animals and true ARA do not kill animals to "save" animals either although peta killing does not cause pain and suffering yours does.

PPS. Why do you call yourself "hunters" you dont "hunt" you sit with a bait and wait for the aniamls to come to you then you kill. "HUnting" is to search and seek which the only time you do that is to follow the blood trails, stain or gut matter for the wounded animals.

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from CarolineTC wrote 4 years 40 weeks ago

Dominiance means to be caretaker not the destroyer. Meat industry call us "omnivores" because we can chew (cooked meat) and digest meat even though our body not designed for it, instead its designed for plants. Of course we all have the genetic to "hunt" which is to search and seek like we do for easter egg hunting or to "hunt" for that lost tie etc. but as far as "hunting" animals which in reality is about killing not hunting and its not "natural " for man unless you have the mind of serial killers. Man is no "hunters' in the animal kingdom that is why man have to purchase thousands of dollars worth of equipment to sit in a tree stand with bait and lure waiting for the aniamls to come to you, then you kill. Actually there is nothing "predatory" or "hunting " involved you just sit, wait and kill. Man is no "predator" in the animals kingdom because without your weapon and all the other doodads you be a nothing, just a man whose body is designed for plants standing there looking stupid and probably become meals for the real predaotors of the wild who are omnivores and carnivores. Early man were nuts and seed eater (google "Man the Hunted"). Man hunted with spear which they created because of hunger and clothing to keep warm, so that was survival, today its not about food its about your pathetic desire to detroy life for "fun" no different then serial killers using weapons and tools to kill their victims.

"beats the taste of venison backstraps cooked on a charcoal grill with bbq sauce"

All that season, marinating, cooking then bbq sauce because man is no "natural" meat eaters. No matter how much seasoning you put you cannot destroy the prions in mad deer disease /CWD. But then I don't think you have to worry its the people at the pantries where you dump the body that has to worry.

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from peter wrote 4 years 43 weeks ago

im sick of crossbows in archery, they should only be allowed in rifle and muzzleloader, period.

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