


July 31, 2009
Are You a DIY Dog Trainer?
By David DiBenedetto
A good friend of mine recently shipped his 8-month old pup to training camp. The dog, according to the professional trainer, should be ready to hunt by late September.
Now, I have to admit that there’s a part of me that hears this and is a bit jealous. For one, you know your pup will not be sent down the wrong path by your own bumbling training skills. Or, to put it more bluntly, you have a pretty good feeling that come dove season your pup won’t be lying at your feet chewing on a sunflower stalk oblivious to the birds flying overhead and the guns booming. (A fear that, like a bad case of indigestion, sometimes percolates in the pit of my stomach on sleepless nights until it has a stranglehold on my chest.)
But in the end, I’m glad to be traversing Gun Dog Road from start to finish with Pritchard. Because there’s nothing like waking up at dawn, throwing on your training clothes, and heading down the stairs. There, your dog, who has been listening to every step you trod as soon as your feet left the bed, is waiting in her crate with the pent up energy of a compressed coil spring. The morning ahead of you—or at least the hour you have to train before jumping in the shower and heading to work—is full of promise and hope. Of course, much of that promise and hope will be left crushed on the dewy grass, but you know by now to appreciate the minor victories.
And while I’d be pretty useless without the advice from professional trainers and the gobs of stuff I learn every time I’m lucky enough to join a pro for a training session in the field, I have to say that packing up my pup and sending her away to training camp isn’t for me—at least not yet.
How about the rest of you? Are you a DIY trainer, or do you call in the Calvary when needed?
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I think sending your dog away to be trained is cheating in a sense. It doesn't sound like it would create as strong of a bond between the owner and the dog. Just my 2 cents. What do you do with your dog when your away at work? Put it in your kennel or let it free?
SBell--I'm lucky because my wife works from home, so Pritch spends some time in her crate but she gets out on a couple of walks a day and lounges in the living room when Jenny can keep an eye on her. As of now, we train early morning and around dusk, with an occasional lunch time obedience session if I can swing by the house. But before every training session I make sure she has spent some quiet time in the crate. -D
Training your own dog is very satisfying.
Make sure you have some strong mentors to keep you on the right path and you and Pritch can go far!
To say nothing of the cost, I want a hunting companion, not a retriever, pointer, flusher, whatever. As we work and learn together, she becomes a friend who I look forward to hitting the fields with in the fall. She knows better what I want and I know better her nuances, we learn each other's body language and that to me is a bigger payoff than a dog who does absolutely everything the way "it's supposed to be done." What do you do with your hunting buddies in the offseason, you talk about hunting and look forward to next season, that's what training is for me and my dog.
i don't really consider it cheating to send your pup to a trainer, but i don't think i could handle being away from her for an extended period of time!
There is nothing like seeing the progress your "friend" makes, especially when you know it's because of your hard work. HOWEVER, there are some things better left to the pros (force fetching, specifically). There is no way in the world I would want to venture down that road as a virgin. Not only can I not guarantee my availability to train multiple times per day, but they know exactly how far to push or not push based on their experience (if you use a good one, as you should). Most everything else can be worked out, eventually, if you screw it up. Force fetching, however, if not done correctly the first time, concludes with a house dog who wants no part of the retrieve. Best money and 6 weeks I spent.
Dave-
If training is the goal and focus and is of essence,by all means introduce an outside trainer to your pup.
You didn't mention how long training camp was, but sometimes I believe that a trainer can be more objective and can be completely goal oriented, and more importantly a greater degree of focus,in administrating the skills of instuction and the discipline response.
With this in mind,the new pup trainee,may not have to face the obstacles he/she may have at home,and may actually be the benificiary of good quality teaching/time that even the owner may not be able to dispense at home,due to various reasons and distractions.
For example-
I coach a highly competitive AAU girls basketball team.
I can only get my talented daughter to respond only so much,when she begins to hit a glass ceiling.
But another coach, can generate an enthusiasm (Greek meaning for God inspired)and desire in her that I can't for whatever reason,which in turn, allows her to advance to the next level of skills and discipline/teaching.
I think if money is of no object, a trainer outside of the home may be just what the doctor ordered,especially on certain pups.
After all,the 'ol addage is still true for most pups,"absence makes the heart grow fonder!"
I can STILL see the look on my pups face now, as he runs towards home ... slobber and all!
BigGameCock--You bring up an excellent point. Force fetching can be a tough road, for both dog and trainer. -D
Force fetching is the toughest thing I trained.It can be done at home but I think is harder on the owner trainer than the dog.I am very glad I did it though he brings back everything but not every dog needs force fetch as mine did.Again Im with OTM do it yourself with mentors there is always the option to sit in with a pro once in a while to get the best of both worlds.
If your friends dog will be ready to hunt in two months a lot of foundation work has been done already(it sounds like all).It takes about 2 months for hup and heel the rest in the training method I use depends on whether the dog will bring the bird or not.His dog was probably already half way there.
To have a great dog, put him with a dog trainer. Then spend as much time with that trainer, so you both can be trained. This trainer's object is to train you a great hunting dog who is under control. You will learn how to keep your dog in the trained mode that your trainer taught him, so he will be a great hunting companion. The training is an on going thing, which you will do after you get him back and you will now how to do it right. You will have to keep him in shape for the hunting season. As far as being a house dog, your dog will learn how to do that quickly.
There are other questions do you have access to birds to train with when needed.I buy pheasant and have a homer loft.
yep I'm also a DIY dog trainer I couldn't handle not having that day of sitting in the yard or walking to get the mail without that little follower watching you hoping you don't go to far out of eyesight or that every time you leave for the grocery store they fear you've left them forever (until they fall asleep that is). so yeah i'm a do-it-yourselfer and wouldn't want it any other way.
When you send your dog to camp... you kind of miss than one on one bond that you get with your dog when you train them yourselves. Yeh, maybe it would be easier and quicker but it is also quite costly. Why not just do it at home while also making a connection with your dog.
If you train him yourself, you are going to spend a lot of money on tapes, and books. Most tell you how to do it, but not how to solve the problems if the dog doesn't. Then there is the famous e-collar, a punishment training tool, that can be a great training tool or in most cases when handled by someone that doesn't know what he is doing - a dog ruiner. If you are going to do it yourself, you best bet is join a working dog breed club, and meet people who training their own dogs. Watch what you hear and see, and determine what fits your style of training, but be careful as there those there who do not know what they are doing. When you take your dog out hunting for pheasant or grouse, and he is not staying close. He is kicking up game out in front of you at range of twice as far as you can shoot - think about that dog trainer. Picking up mail at the mail box is different than hunting.
Its tough for a DIY dog trainer to see the progress without the experience.I tell my wife sometimes the middle of the puzzle is given first.Take force fetch for example(hold)then(give)then(fetch).With simple repetion the DIY can teach each piece in that order(the order I used)then over time put it with heel and hup and you have a conditioned retrieve.My UK Springer had to be taught the meaning of hold and give Im glad I did it.That was before the simple repition a delivery problem I worked it out.My first springer I trained started to range a little far(a couple of times). I asked many people how to fix it then the breeder stoped in my store and gave a fix before it became a problem.He said the next time he ever ranges a little far hide from him for a little while. I did the look on his face was priceless.He never hunted out of range again! This was 15 years ago it probably wasnt correct but worked.You will make it through it.
I'd rather train the dog myself. It's a learning experince for both my pup and me. I'm learning as we go as to what to do and not to do. With someone else training your dog you dont know really learn anything.
i am on my 3rd bird dog that has been proffesionally trained by the same guy. love the dogs as much as my house dog (a flunked out golden) but the pro delivers a training at a consistency and level i cannot bring. yes it costs a bundle but to be honest it is a long term investment and i have the ability to pay for it. i'd love to train the dog myself but i lack the confidence and time right now. bottom line, if you are having a good time hunting, and the dog is well cared for and loved and having a good time, doesnt matter who trained it
I am pretty much a DIY guy with one exception, and that's force-fetch.
I did force-fetch both my dogs, but under the careful tutelage of a local retired pro. Not having had that guidance I would not have attempted it by myself.
Some may disagree, but I think most any guy of average patience and understanding (and time) can train a dog to say, the AKC senior hunter level. Beyond that and you start getting into some pretty advanced training that may be better left to pros.
You get to that AKC master hunter level and you're talking some pretty serious performance requirements.
It's certainly doable by non-pros, and many do, but I do think that level of training starts getting beyond the casual gundog level.
There are also a ton of amateurs that compete successfully in the field trial game, but that's a whole other ball of wax...
Great stuff on both sides here.I use my E-coller as a cue to get the dogs attetion(lowest stim level)(positive reinforcement)to let him know he missed a command.Two guys fish the same trout stream one stops on the way there at the local mini mart buys hooks,worms, and sinkers.The other studies the stream year round and ties his own flies to match the hatch.I think one has a greater passion of the sport but in the end they both catch fish.I know which guy I am but if I were training a field trial competitor I would get some help, how much Im not sure.I have brought my dog to the started level and we have grown together.
Really great stuff on both sides of the argument here. Appreciate the insightful responses, proving once again there are two sides to every story. -D
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On top of all else, Heidi is training for therapy dog certification. I'm involved with that, however.
I couldn't stand that long away from her. As a rescue, and a member of the family, I don't think she would understand it either. She goes to class with the same enthusiasm she goes to the woods.
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yep I'm also a DIY dog trainer I couldn't handle not having that day of sitting in the yard or walking to get the mail without that little follower watching you hoping you don't go to far out of eyesight or that every time you leave for the grocery store they fear you've left them forever (until they fall asleep that is). so yeah i'm a do-it-yourselfer and wouldn't want it any other way.
To say nothing of the cost, I want a hunting companion, not a retriever, pointer, flusher, whatever. As we work and learn together, she becomes a friend who I look forward to hitting the fields with in the fall. She knows better what I want and I know better her nuances, we learn each other's body language and that to me is a bigger payoff than a dog who does absolutely everything the way "it's supposed to be done." What do you do with your hunting buddies in the offseason, you talk about hunting and look forward to next season, that's what training is for me and my dog.
When you send your dog to camp... you kind of miss than one on one bond that you get with your dog when you train them yourselves. Yeh, maybe it would be easier and quicker but it is also quite costly. Why not just do it at home while also making a connection with your dog.
Really great stuff on both sides of the argument here. Appreciate the insightful responses, proving once again there are two sides to every story. -D
Training your own dog is very satisfying.
Make sure you have some strong mentors to keep you on the right path and you and Pritch can go far!
Great stuff on both sides here.I use my E-coller as a cue to get the dogs attetion(lowest stim level)(positive reinforcement)to let him know he missed a command.Two guys fish the same trout stream one stops on the way there at the local mini mart buys hooks,worms, and sinkers.The other studies the stream year round and ties his own flies to match the hatch.I think one has a greater passion of the sport but in the end they both catch fish.I know which guy I am but if I were training a field trial competitor I would get some help, how much Im not sure.I have brought my dog to the started level and we have grown together.
capture your moment in history with the enduring leagacy of art. chad lavin studio. www.lavinstudio.com
I am pretty much a DIY guy with one exception, and that's force-fetch.
I did force-fetch both my dogs, but under the careful tutelage of a local retired pro. Not having had that guidance I would not have attempted it by myself.
Some may disagree, but I think most any guy of average patience and understanding (and time) can train a dog to say, the AKC senior hunter level. Beyond that and you start getting into some pretty advanced training that may be better left to pros.
You get to that AKC master hunter level and you're talking some pretty serious performance requirements.
It's certainly doable by non-pros, and many do, but I do think that level of training starts getting beyond the casual gundog level.
There are also a ton of amateurs that compete successfully in the field trial game, but that's a whole other ball of wax...
i am on my 3rd bird dog that has been proffesionally trained by the same guy. love the dogs as much as my house dog (a flunked out golden) but the pro delivers a training at a consistency and level i cannot bring. yes it costs a bundle but to be honest it is a long term investment and i have the ability to pay for it. i'd love to train the dog myself but i lack the confidence and time right now. bottom line, if you are having a good time hunting, and the dog is well cared for and loved and having a good time, doesnt matter who trained it
I think sending your dog away to be trained is cheating in a sense. It doesn't sound like it would create as strong of a bond between the owner and the dog. Just my 2 cents. What do you do with your dog when your away at work? Put it in your kennel or let it free?
On top of all else, Heidi is training for therapy dog certification. I'm involved with that, however.
I couldn't stand that long away from her. As a rescue, and a member of the family, I don't think she would understand it either. She goes to class with the same enthusiasm she goes to the woods.
I'd rather train the dog myself. It's a learning experince for both my pup and me. I'm learning as we go as to what to do and not to do. With someone else training your dog you dont know really learn anything.
Dave-
If training is the goal and focus and is of essence,by all means introduce an outside trainer to your pup.
You didn't mention how long training camp was, but sometimes I believe that a trainer can be more objective and can be completely goal oriented, and more importantly a greater degree of focus,in administrating the skills of instuction and the discipline response.
With this in mind,the new pup trainee,may not have to face the obstacles he/she may have at home,and may actually be the benificiary of good quality teaching/time that even the owner may not be able to dispense at home,due to various reasons and distractions.
For example-
I coach a highly competitive AAU girls basketball team.
I can only get my talented daughter to respond only so much,when she begins to hit a glass ceiling.
But another coach, can generate an enthusiasm (Greek meaning for God inspired)and desire in her that I can't for whatever reason,which in turn, allows her to advance to the next level of skills and discipline/teaching.
I think if money is of no object, a trainer outside of the home may be just what the doctor ordered,especially on certain pups.
After all,the 'ol addage is still true for most pups,"absence makes the heart grow fonder!"
I can STILL see the look on my pups face now, as he runs towards home ... slobber and all!
There is nothing like seeing the progress your "friend" makes, especially when you know it's because of your hard work. HOWEVER, there are some things better left to the pros (force fetching, specifically). There is no way in the world I would want to venture down that road as a virgin. Not only can I not guarantee my availability to train multiple times per day, but they know exactly how far to push or not push based on their experience (if you use a good one, as you should). Most everything else can be worked out, eventually, if you screw it up. Force fetching, however, if not done correctly the first time, concludes with a house dog who wants no part of the retrieve. Best money and 6 weeks I spent.
i don't really consider it cheating to send your pup to a trainer, but i don't think i could handle being away from her for an extended period of time!
SBell--I'm lucky because my wife works from home, so Pritch spends some time in her crate but she gets out on a couple of walks a day and lounges in the living room when Jenny can keep an eye on her. As of now, we train early morning and around dusk, with an occasional lunch time obedience session if I can swing by the house. But before every training session I make sure she has spent some quiet time in the crate. -D
BigGameCock--You bring up an excellent point. Force fetching can be a tough road, for both dog and trainer. -D
Force fetching is the toughest thing I trained.It can be done at home but I think is harder on the owner trainer than the dog.I am very glad I did it though he brings back everything but not every dog needs force fetch as mine did.Again Im with OTM do it yourself with mentors there is always the option to sit in with a pro once in a while to get the best of both worlds.
If your friends dog will be ready to hunt in two months a lot of foundation work has been done already(it sounds like all).It takes about 2 months for hup and heel the rest in the training method I use depends on whether the dog will bring the bird or not.His dog was probably already half way there.
There are other questions do you have access to birds to train with when needed.I buy pheasant and have a homer loft.
Its tough for a DIY dog trainer to see the progress without the experience.I tell my wife sometimes the middle of the puzzle is given first.Take force fetch for example(hold)then(give)then(fetch).With simple repetion the DIY can teach each piece in that order(the order I used)then over time put it with heel and hup and you have a conditioned retrieve.My UK Springer had to be taught the meaning of hold and give Im glad I did it.That was before the simple repition a delivery problem I worked it out.My first springer I trained started to range a little far(a couple of times). I asked many people how to fix it then the breeder stoped in my store and gave a fix before it became a problem.He said the next time he ever ranges a little far hide from him for a little while. I did the look on his face was priceless.He never hunted out of range again! This was 15 years ago it probably wasnt correct but worked.You will make it through it.
To have a great dog, put him with a dog trainer. Then spend as much time with that trainer, so you both can be trained. This trainer's object is to train you a great hunting dog who is under control. You will learn how to keep your dog in the trained mode that your trainer taught him, so he will be a great hunting companion. The training is an on going thing, which you will do after you get him back and you will now how to do it right. You will have to keep him in shape for the hunting season. As far as being a house dog, your dog will learn how to do that quickly.
If you train him yourself, you are going to spend a lot of money on tapes, and books. Most tell you how to do it, but not how to solve the problems if the dog doesn't. Then there is the famous e-collar, a punishment training tool, that can be a great training tool or in most cases when handled by someone that doesn't know what he is doing - a dog ruiner. If you are going to do it yourself, you best bet is join a working dog breed club, and meet people who training their own dogs. Watch what you hear and see, and determine what fits your style of training, but be careful as there those there who do not know what they are doing. When you take your dog out hunting for pheasant or grouse, and he is not staying close. He is kicking up game out in front of you at range of twice as far as you can shoot - think about that dog trainer. Picking up mail at the mail box is different than hunting.
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