


October 06, 2009
The Best Big Buck "Sleeper States"
By Scott Bestul
One question that frequently gets pitched at me goes something like this: “I know all about the big-time trophy-producing whitetail states. What are some places that fly under the radar of most whitetail nuts?”
And my answer is, “I know ‘em, but I’m not tellin’ you!”
Seriously, this is a great question, as accessing ground in places like Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, and certain areas of Ohio and Kentucky is difficult indeed...unless you’ve got money to spend or want to hunt with an outfitter. The good news is, big whitetails are no longer limited to a handful of areas with the right genetics and management. They’re popping up all over, and the photo above—of a whopper taken recently in North Dakota—is proof.
North Dakota isn’t a big player in the record books, and is rarely a hotspot visited by TV crews or outdoor writers. But it’s a big state with a lot of agriculture and plenty of habitat, and in areas where bucks get a chance to live awhile, the trophy potential is awesome.
I’ve got a few nominees for other sleeper trophy states, but I’ll keep mum for now and let you toss out some candidates. Where should a whitetail nut go if the big-name spots are too far from home or too expensive to contemplate? Let’s hear it!
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Marylands Eastern Shore is a great spot for big bucks and everyone overlooks it.
Nebraska.
Subdivisions that have large lots. These are located in all states and the deer have a real chance to mature.
The downside? Dogs, kids, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, hikers and thieves.
But, you can usually hunt for free and you don't have to travel too far.
Michigan is a great sleeper state with an over abundance of deer in the lower southern pennisula. Tags are cheap for non-residents and can be purchased over the counter. The one issue is getting land access, nothing against public land hunting, but your best chances come from private land of shooting Pope and Young or larger bucks. Bucks is correct, you can shoot two in this state.
I tell’ya something to think about, hunting as close as you can to City Limits you just might find a Monster Buck!
Whitetails are so adaptable you will find them anywhere including the middle of a city. This is making the heavily populated states more and more desireable to big buck hunters. For that reason I say Ohio, Central Ohio to be exact. If your able to snuggle up to a subdivision during Ohio's 4 month long bowseason, dreams can come true.
Amen the large subdivision lots. I'm going bowhunting later today on one that backs up to a large undeveloped park that has a big stream flowing through it. Shot a P&Y buck there last year. There's no hunting in the park. The place is loaded with deer but they aren't starving yet like the deer in Shawnee Mission Park the Anti's are crying about. Last years buck was quite fat.
I thought Johnson County required you to be on 5 acres of land to do any bowhunting in the county. If not, I'm going to have to pick up bow hunting because my folks have a pair of 8 pointers running through their back yard all the time and I spotted a 12 in my buddy's backyard (about half a mile from the park).
Did you see that SM Park hired an outside firm to teach police officers how to shoot deer? Why are we wasting money on that? People would pay the "cash-strapped" park to go hunt the deer, now the park is paying people to do it? ridiculous.
It's true, every suburban neighborhood in central OH seems to have its own good buck this year, some bigger than others. The biggest ones are in the deeper woods in Southeastern OH, though.
That whole park thing is a mess. They're trying to appease the non-hunting public by making sure all of the shooters have "proper training" and in the process are wasting money. I don't understand why they don't close the park for a while, charge a fee like they do to fish or boat in the lake out there. They can then make some improvements with the new source of revenue while dealing with the dear problem as ethically as possible.
How about Oklahoma? I have hunted here all my life and the deer keep getting bigger and bigger. The wildlife department has helped with dropping the buck limit from 3 to 2. If we ever put a antler restriction limit or make it for an out of stater could only shoot one buck, WATCH OUT HERE WE COME
Nobody hear mentioned the good ol south. I've seen pics of some whoppers from Georgia. I think that is an excellent sleeper.
Hey guys,...How 'bout keeping the post's touting Ohio's big bucks to a minimum until AFTER my trip is over! thanks. It's actually not that good hunting there i heard.
how about maine, we have some heavy mass/ heavy body deer up here, you just have to work VERY hard to find those deer.
I think you can find big bucks in any state or place, if you go out and scout good and hard for them.
Please stay out of Georgia and Alabama area nope nouthin to see here just keep right on goin...;0)
To the guy who said Oklahoma, you're wrong. There isn't a big deer to be found here. No sir-ee.
the deer in the picture with me was killed on state land in new york.
I hunt on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and there are some nice deer out there. I see 150" deer on a regular basis. But if you look at the Maryland record buck which was killed a few years ago. That buck was killed in my home county (Charles County) and it isn't on the Eastern Shore.
I would sort of imagine any state north of the mason-dixon line would be a good place for big whitetails. I would further narrow it down by saying west of the appalachian mountains and east of the rockies.
My rationale is as follows - there are lots of grain fields in this area so deer can get fat. Add in the fact that it gets cold in these areas and deer have a need to bulk up - unlike in say Alabama, and you've got a recipe for big bucks.
I think northern states may have even better prospects than a state like Kansas because the brutal winters have to have an effect on thinning out the deer population so that the strongest survive (assuming you don't find them first).
I usually pass the biggest deer I'll see all season on my way out of town. More so if I drive past the neighborhood golf course...
(Sorry Del) Kansas,Colo.,some other "western" states, as how they are "moving" that way now.
You folks think there are areas of every state has big whitetails, but that would go without saying. I don't know much more than I've watched or read about whitetails but in an area as large as a state(even the little eastern ones about the size of a county here in NM) there are going to be a few big deer. The question is what areas have unusually high densities that aren't seen on TV every week. In my limited experience the biggest deer(muley or whitetail) I've seen were on the side of a state highway and usually with private land covering the whole area up and down the side of the highway.
First of all, Great Buck. I have been to the Dakotas pheasant hunting, but never deer hunting. While pheasant hunting, we would always jump many good bucks. I know the bucks are up there and I agree. I think the Dakotas are a hidden gem for whitetail and hope to hunt there someday.
Matt
theoutdoorfever.com
dont come to northern minnesota unless you want to shoot a deer that weights over 200 and has alot of mass
Apparently PA has no deer left, at least up in the Kane area. My father tells me 15 years ago you just had to point and shoot and you hit something, now the only time I see anything is when I get back in Ohio. FML.
Ross
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JL,
Those pictures of bucks from GA are just photo shopped and the stories are nothing but out right lies. There is nothing in GA but spikes and fork horns and a bunch of does...even in the subdivisions. Ya'll don't waste anytime thinking about finding a big deer down here. I'll just keep culling the herd and when they get a little bigger I'll let you all know...I promise...really... I will...honest...
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . iT IS NOT THE LACK OF BIG DEER BUT THE LACK OF ACCESS TO THOSE HUNTING AREAS THAT HARBOR THEM. I HAVE SEEN MANY HUGE BUCKS IN OHIO OVER THE YEARS BUT IN MOST CASES LAND OWNERS DID NOT PERMIT HUNTING ON THIER LAND, YET THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT TOO MANY DEER. GO FIGURE !!
Y'all are welcome to try it here. We'd love to have you come. I am pretty sure all the big ones are around Beekeeper's 20. He is probably holding out on us. A good one around here is about the size of a German Shepherd....
Seriously, if GA is representative of what different groups of deer can be, they can range from dog-size to OMG. What blows my mind are the hogs. Is it just me or have they multiplied in number and size?
Sleeper states. That's easy. oklahoma for sure. Nebraska would come to mind as well. What about Montana and Manitoba. Definately certain areas in many other states. Often the issue isn't state specific but more micro in nature and location specific. Not sure if we are on the radar too much in NW Ontario but there are many big bucks taken each year. We don't see too many of the really top end bucks of midwest 220+ but 150-180 class deer are quite common.
Michigan is a sleeper... Hardley any shows are filmed here...
Southern Michigan has the genetics, habitat, and weather that can grow big booners... It actually is about the same conditions as Winsconsin, except that with our 2 buck rule, most dont make it past 1 1/2 years of age... In Jackson county, one of the best in the state, numerous 160+ inch deer that are only 3 1/2 are taken each year...
If we had a one buck rule like Winsconsin, or some type of antler restrictions we could be just as good as some of the other states in the mid-west...
I personally would NEVER want a one buck rule because I enjoy being able to hunt from early Octobers bow season all the way till the end of December... BUT I would love an antler restrition...
As for the rest of the state, the northern lower penninsula doesnt produce many large bucks at all..
I hunt in the northern lower, and in the county I hunt in, the record book typical is only 167"... Thats the record... only 8 bucks over 150" have been taken..
AND THIS IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN HEAVILY HUNTED SINCE BEFORE SOME STATES LIKE ILLINOIS EVEN HAD DEER HUNTING!!!
The northern lower is tradtional deer hunting territory... my great grandfather hunted deer there in the 1930's... and it was crowded then...
And then we have the upper penninsula... this is also a sleeper... There may not be tons of deer since the weather is VERY harsh... There also isnt alot of large bucks because alot of them also get killed before getting old, or the weather and habitat doesnt allow them to devote alot of energy to antler growth..
BUT some HUGE deer are taken every year.. Last year 2 deer were taken that scored 200" plus!!!!
And our DNR came up with a great compromise as to antler restrictions or a one buck rule, but it only applies to the U.P.
In the state as a whole, you can either buy a single bow or single gun license... either allows you to tag a buck with 3 inches of antler or more... OR you can buy a combo licence which is good in either season and allows you one buck with antlers 3 inches or more, and a second buck that must have 4 points on one side..
Now in the U.P. you can either buy only one gun or bow license and get one antlered deer with 3 inches or more, or get the combo.. BUT with the combo you can only shoot one deer with 3 or more points on one side and a 2nd with 4 or more points on one side..
I would like to see this state wide... it would allow people who only hunt a few days each year during rifle season the option of getting any antlered deer, and also allow serious hunters to still have the chance to shoot 2 deer, but also allow more to reach maturity...
Michigan is unique in that we have a huge amount of residents that only hunt maybe a week each year... Its more about going to camp than the hunting to them... mostly they just want the meat, but there is still a stigma attached to shooting does in this state..
Alot of serious hunters end up shooting the first buck they see since they know they have a second tag.. This new rule in the Upper penninsula would prevent this from happening..
ANYWAY, if this law was put in effect state wide I think Michigan would vault up the record books with the likes of Winsconsin and Kansas...
Ross, Pa. surely has fewer deer than it did 15 years ago, but we see and shoot more and better bucks than ever before. Don't give up. The next one you shoot may be bigger than any your dad ever has.
The post that I have to agree with the most are the ones that state areas close to city limits. I live in Louisville, KY and some of are best deer come right outside or just in the the county limits. Its surprising how little a deer needs to survive. A few acres, your neibors garden, and a some fallen acorns is all a big buck needs.
Bucks County PA... How do you think it gets its name?
Pennsylvania!! it takes a good amount of hiking to get away from the crowd but you can kill a monster on public land, I did
kansas is the place to be for non- typicals last year a bow guy shot a p&y buck that had club antler on one side nd a perfect conformation 7 points on the other it was officially the coolest rack i have seen. nd while mushroom hunting last year i was grunted out of the woods by a set of velveted antlers that would give a longhorn steer a run for his money
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Marylands Eastern Shore is a great spot for big bucks and everyone overlooks it.
I thought Johnson County required you to be on 5 acres of land to do any bowhunting in the county. If not, I'm going to have to pick up bow hunting because my folks have a pair of 8 pointers running through their back yard all the time and I spotted a 12 in my buddy's backyard (about half a mile from the park).
Did you see that SM Park hired an outside firm to teach police officers how to shoot deer? Why are we wasting money on that? People would pay the "cash-strapped" park to go hunt the deer, now the park is paying people to do it? ridiculous.
Please stay out of Georgia and Alabama area nope nouthin to see here just keep right on goin...;0)
Subdivisions that have large lots. These are located in all states and the deer have a real chance to mature.
The downside? Dogs, kids, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, hikers and thieves.
But, you can usually hunt for free and you don't have to travel too far.
I tell’ya something to think about, hunting as close as you can to City Limits you just might find a Monster Buck!
Whitetails are so adaptable you will find them anywhere including the middle of a city. This is making the heavily populated states more and more desireable to big buck hunters. For that reason I say Ohio, Central Ohio to be exact. If your able to snuggle up to a subdivision during Ohio's 4 month long bowseason, dreams can come true.
It's true, every suburban neighborhood in central OH seems to have its own good buck this year, some bigger than others. The biggest ones are in the deeper woods in Southeastern OH, though.
I usually pass the biggest deer I'll see all season on my way out of town. More so if I drive past the neighborhood golf course...
dont come to northern minnesota unless you want to shoot a deer that weights over 200 and has alot of mass
Nebraska.
Michigan is a great sleeper state with an over abundance of deer in the lower southern pennisula. Tags are cheap for non-residents and can be purchased over the counter. The one issue is getting land access, nothing against public land hunting, but your best chances come from private land of shooting Pope and Young or larger bucks. Bucks is correct, you can shoot two in this state.
Amen the large subdivision lots. I'm going bowhunting later today on one that backs up to a large undeveloped park that has a big stream flowing through it. Shot a P&Y buck there last year. There's no hunting in the park. The place is loaded with deer but they aren't starving yet like the deer in Shawnee Mission Park the Anti's are crying about. Last years buck was quite fat.
Nobody hear mentioned the good ol south. I've seen pics of some whoppers from Georgia. I think that is an excellent sleeper.
I would sort of imagine any state north of the mason-dixon line would be a good place for big whitetails. I would further narrow it down by saying west of the appalachian mountains and east of the rockies.
My rationale is as follows - there are lots of grain fields in this area so deer can get fat. Add in the fact that it gets cold in these areas and deer have a need to bulk up - unlike in say Alabama, and you've got a recipe for big bucks.
I think northern states may have even better prospects than a state like Kansas because the brutal winters have to have an effect on thinning out the deer population so that the strongest survive (assuming you don't find them first).
(Sorry Del) Kansas,Colo.,some other "western" states, as how they are "moving" that way now.
JL,
Those pictures of bucks from GA are just photo shopped and the stories are nothing but out right lies. There is nothing in GA but spikes and fork horns and a bunch of does...even in the subdivisions. Ya'll don't waste anytime thinking about finding a big deer down here. I'll just keep culling the herd and when they get a little bigger I'll let you all know...I promise...really... I will...honest...
How about Oklahoma? I have hunted here all my life and the deer keep getting bigger and bigger. The wildlife department has helped with dropping the buck limit from 3 to 2. If we ever put a antler restriction limit or make it for an out of stater could only shoot one buck, WATCH OUT HERE WE COME
Hey guys,...How 'bout keeping the post's touting Ohio's big bucks to a minimum until AFTER my trip is over! thanks. It's actually not that good hunting there i heard.
I think you can find big bucks in any state or place, if you go out and scout good and hard for them.
To the guy who said Oklahoma, you're wrong. There isn't a big deer to be found here. No sir-ee.
the deer in the picture with me was killed on state land in new york.
I hunt on the Eastern Shore of Maryland and there are some nice deer out there. I see 150" deer on a regular basis. But if you look at the Maryland record buck which was killed a few years ago. That buck was killed in my home county (Charles County) and it isn't on the Eastern Shore.
First of all, Great Buck. I have been to the Dakotas pheasant hunting, but never deer hunting. While pheasant hunting, we would always jump many good bucks. I know the bucks are up there and I agree. I think the Dakotas are a hidden gem for whitetail and hope to hunt there someday.
Matt
theoutdoorfever.com
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT . iT IS NOT THE LACK OF BIG DEER BUT THE LACK OF ACCESS TO THOSE HUNTING AREAS THAT HARBOR THEM. I HAVE SEEN MANY HUGE BUCKS IN OHIO OVER THE YEARS BUT IN MOST CASES LAND OWNERS DID NOT PERMIT HUNTING ON THIER LAND, YET THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT TOO MANY DEER. GO FIGURE !!
That whole park thing is a mess. They're trying to appease the non-hunting public by making sure all of the shooters have "proper training" and in the process are wasting money. I don't understand why they don't close the park for a while, charge a fee like they do to fish or boat in the lake out there. They can then make some improvements with the new source of revenue while dealing with the dear problem as ethically as possible.
how about maine, we have some heavy mass/ heavy body deer up here, you just have to work VERY hard to find those deer.
Apparently PA has no deer left, at least up in the Kane area. My father tells me 15 years ago you just had to point and shoot and you hit something, now the only time I see anything is when I get back in Ohio. FML.
Ross
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visit www.norop.com the search engine for Hunters.
Y'all are welcome to try it here. We'd love to have you come. I am pretty sure all the big ones are around Beekeeper's 20. He is probably holding out on us. A good one around here is about the size of a German Shepherd....
Seriously, if GA is representative of what different groups of deer can be, they can range from dog-size to OMG. What blows my mind are the hogs. Is it just me or have they multiplied in number and size?
Sleeper states. That's easy. oklahoma for sure. Nebraska would come to mind as well. What about Montana and Manitoba. Definately certain areas in many other states. Often the issue isn't state specific but more micro in nature and location specific. Not sure if we are on the radar too much in NW Ontario but there are many big bucks taken each year. We don't see too many of the really top end bucks of midwest 220+ but 150-180 class deer are quite common.
Michigan is a sleeper... Hardley any shows are filmed here...
Southern Michigan has the genetics, habitat, and weather that can grow big booners... It actually is about the same conditions as Winsconsin, except that with our 2 buck rule, most dont make it past 1 1/2 years of age... In Jackson county, one of the best in the state, numerous 160+ inch deer that are only 3 1/2 are taken each year...
If we had a one buck rule like Winsconsin, or some type of antler restrictions we could be just as good as some of the other states in the mid-west...
I personally would NEVER want a one buck rule because I enjoy being able to hunt from early Octobers bow season all the way till the end of December... BUT I would love an antler restrition...
As for the rest of the state, the northern lower penninsula doesnt produce many large bucks at all..
I hunt in the northern lower, and in the county I hunt in, the record book typical is only 167"... Thats the record... only 8 bucks over 150" have been taken..
AND THIS IS IN AN AREA THAT HAS BEEN HEAVILY HUNTED SINCE BEFORE SOME STATES LIKE ILLINOIS EVEN HAD DEER HUNTING!!!
The northern lower is tradtional deer hunting territory... my great grandfather hunted deer there in the 1930's... and it was crowded then...
And then we have the upper penninsula... this is also a sleeper... There may not be tons of deer since the weather is VERY harsh... There also isnt alot of large bucks because alot of them also get killed before getting old, or the weather and habitat doesnt allow them to devote alot of energy to antler growth..
BUT some HUGE deer are taken every year.. Last year 2 deer were taken that scored 200" plus!!!!
And our DNR came up with a great compromise as to antler restrictions or a one buck rule, but it only applies to the U.P.
In the state as a whole, you can either buy a single bow or single gun license... either allows you to tag a buck with 3 inches of antler or more... OR you can buy a combo licence which is good in either season and allows you one buck with antlers 3 inches or more, and a second buck that must have 4 points on one side..
Now in the U.P. you can either buy only one gun or bow license and get one antlered deer with 3 inches or more, or get the combo.. BUT with the combo you can only shoot one deer with 3 or more points on one side and a 2nd with 4 or more points on one side..
I would like to see this state wide... it would allow people who only hunt a few days each year during rifle season the option of getting any antlered deer, and also allow serious hunters to still have the chance to shoot 2 deer, but also allow more to reach maturity...
Michigan is unique in that we have a huge amount of residents that only hunt maybe a week each year... Its more about going to camp than the hunting to them... mostly they just want the meat, but there is still a stigma attached to shooting does in this state..
Alot of serious hunters end up shooting the first buck they see since they know they have a second tag.. This new rule in the Upper penninsula would prevent this from happening..
ANYWAY, if this law was put in effect state wide I think Michigan would vault up the record books with the likes of Winsconsin and Kansas...
You folks think there are areas of every state has big whitetails, but that would go without saying. I don't know much more than I've watched or read about whitetails but in an area as large as a state(even the little eastern ones about the size of a county here in NM) there are going to be a few big deer. The question is what areas have unusually high densities that aren't seen on TV every week. In my limited experience the biggest deer(muley or whitetail) I've seen were on the side of a state highway and usually with private land covering the whole area up and down the side of the highway.
Ross, Pa. surely has fewer deer than it did 15 years ago, but we see and shoot more and better bucks than ever before. Don't give up. The next one you shoot may be bigger than any your dad ever has.
The post that I have to agree with the most are the ones that state areas close to city limits. I live in Louisville, KY and some of are best deer come right outside or just in the the county limits. Its surprising how little a deer needs to survive. A few acres, your neibors garden, and a some fallen acorns is all a big buck needs.
Bucks County PA... How do you think it gets its name?
Pennsylvania!! it takes a good amount of hiking to get away from the crowd but you can kill a monster on public land, I did
kansas is the place to be for non- typicals last year a bow guy shot a p&y buck that had club antler on one side nd a perfect conformation 7 points on the other it was officially the coolest rack i have seen. nd while mushroom hunting last year i was grunted out of the woods by a set of velveted antlers that would give a longhorn steer a run for his money
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