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Discussion Topic: On Baiting For The Camera
From the Alaska Dispatch:
An Alaskan photographer has been charged with illegally baiting bears for an episode of the History Channel show "MonsterQuest."
According to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, Jim Oltersdorf hung bait on strings over a large scale -- in violation of federal wildlife law -- and set up motion-activated cameras to photograph bears that came to the bait station.
Oltersdorf’s attorney Brent Cole argues that his client’s violations are no big deal, saying "It is hard for me to imagine that they don't have anything better to do in our park service than to run down something like this."
What do you think? Is it a big deal? Should film crews and photographers be allowed to bait wildlife? Is the park service being overzealous? Does this make you any less apt to watch “MonsterQuest” on the History Channel?
Check out the full story and weigh in.
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Comments (10)
Doesn't baiting bears unnaturally concentrate them into one location making for dangerous areas?
The law is the law. (I can't believe I just said that)
Inside a park, where people might wander upon the baited area and feeding bears, I think the park service got it right. Should these wing-nuts get a pass because they're "TV people"?...No
It would send the wrong message if they ignored this just because it's a TV crew. What bothers me is that they just went ahead and did it. It would have been easy to check with Fish & Wildlife first to see if it was allowed or if a permit was required.
Not enough info here to make a fair judgement.
What is the rationale for not allowing baiting? If it's because it concentrates bears and habituates them to humans as food providers (likely and realistic issues), then I'm totally in favor of full enforcement of the law without prejudice.
If, on the other hand, baiting restrictions are aimed at hunters as a "fair chase" argument, then I don't think filming/photography is the same as hunting and should be excepted from the law.
Which is it?
The funny thing is that his own lawyer said that he is guilty. The wildlife laws are there for a reason – to protect the wildlife and the humans that come into contact with them. Alaska has strict laws when it comes to feeding wildlife – it is illegal!
It does not matter if your hunting over it or using it for pictures the law was written. Now im sure if was to contact the U.S Fish and Wildlife and told them it was going to be a documentary they may have assisted and let it go for a one time deal
What's the difference between him doing it and a Hunting show doing the same thing?
I've seen many a game feeder or pile of somethin with a bunch of deer or other wildlife around it on hunting shows.
He should've got the permits needed to bait or assistance from AK's game division
I'm kind of in there with seadog. Documentaries used to be educational and informative. Lately however they have become tainted with the reality show garbage. It makes one think that we are not too far away from a "Running Man" (if you have read the book or watched the movie) reality show.
Another relative point is that the TV shows that have big bucks and/or major networks behind them also have access to big attorneys and lots of 'em. If you or I was arrested for the same offense, we would be fortunate to have one good attorney. I use the term "good attorney" loosely :-).
While I understand and support the law, that does seem to be a great way to collect bear statistics and demographic data. The bears will happily weigh themselves and stand up to show us how tall they are- for some rancid bacon...
I second every single word JohnR said. It's a case of trying to go for the most "extreme"(I now absolutely hate that word) hunt or reality show or docu-drama ......and then go ahead and do whatever it takes to get the shot, to make the story line work . The crack team of lawyers will beg forgiveness and weasel them out of any trouble later.
It's not about educating us, or making us more entertained - it's all about the lowest-common-denominator demographic and the money. Mostly the money.
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Doesn't baiting bears unnaturally concentrate them into one location making for dangerous areas?
The law is the law. (I can't believe I just said that)
Inside a park, where people might wander upon the baited area and feeding bears, I think the park service got it right. Should these wing-nuts get a pass because they're "TV people"?...No
The funny thing is that his own lawyer said that he is guilty. The wildlife laws are there for a reason – to protect the wildlife and the humans that come into contact with them. Alaska has strict laws when it comes to feeding wildlife – it is illegal!
It would send the wrong message if they ignored this just because it's a TV crew. What bothers me is that they just went ahead and did it. It would have been easy to check with Fish & Wildlife first to see if it was allowed or if a permit was required.
Not enough info here to make a fair judgement.
What is the rationale for not allowing baiting? If it's because it concentrates bears and habituates them to humans as food providers (likely and realistic issues), then I'm totally in favor of full enforcement of the law without prejudice.
If, on the other hand, baiting restrictions are aimed at hunters as a "fair chase" argument, then I don't think filming/photography is the same as hunting and should be excepted from the law.
Which is it?
It does not matter if your hunting over it or using it for pictures the law was written. Now im sure if was to contact the U.S Fish and Wildlife and told them it was going to be a documentary they may have assisted and let it go for a one time deal
What's the difference between him doing it and a Hunting show doing the same thing?
I've seen many a game feeder or pile of somethin with a bunch of deer or other wildlife around it on hunting shows.
He should've got the permits needed to bait or assistance from AK's game division
I'm kind of in there with seadog. Documentaries used to be educational and informative. Lately however they have become tainted with the reality show garbage. It makes one think that we are not too far away from a "Running Man" (if you have read the book or watched the movie) reality show.
Another relative point is that the TV shows that have big bucks and/or major networks behind them also have access to big attorneys and lots of 'em. If you or I was arrested for the same offense, we would be fortunate to have one good attorney. I use the term "good attorney" loosely :-).
While I understand and support the law, that does seem to be a great way to collect bear statistics and demographic data. The bears will happily weigh themselves and stand up to show us how tall they are- for some rancid bacon...
I second every single word JohnR said. It's a case of trying to go for the most "extreme"(I now absolutely hate that word) hunt or reality show or docu-drama ......and then go ahead and do whatever it takes to get the shot, to make the story line work . The crack team of lawyers will beg forgiveness and weasel them out of any trouble later.
It's not about educating us, or making us more entertained - it's all about the lowest-common-denominator demographic and the money. Mostly the money.
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