


October 09, 2009
Discussion Topic: Bear Hunter Vs. Wildlife Viewers
Here’s one from F&S contributor Ben Romans. Thanks, Ben.
From the Anchorage Daily News:
While camera-toting wildlife viewers watched in dismay on Saturday, two hunters opened fire on a juvenile brown bear that had been fishing in the Kenai River, next to a Sterling Highway bridge. . . .
Troopers [on the scene] did not issue any citations. But federal officials say that discharging a firearm in that area violates federal regulations. . . [and have] issued one citation. . . .
The legality of the bear kill isn't what rankles one Sterling woman who witnessed it: She was incensed by the hunters' decision to shoot and kill the bear when wildlife watchers were there, enjoying watching it and snapping photos.
"My family supports ethical hunting. But this didn't seem very ethical," said Pamela Locke. . . .
Larry Lewis, a state wildlife technician who reported the potential firearms offense to federal officials, said the killing illustrates some thorny issues for both hunters and wildlife watchers.
"This bear in any other situation was legal for harvest," Lewis said. . . . But hunters also need to act responsibly, too, around wildlife watchers, said Lewis, the Kenai Peninsula chapter president of Safari Club International, a hunting advocacy group.
"It's incumbent on anyone who participates in hunting to be respectful of other people's values," he said.
What say you? Read the full article, then weigh in.
Comments (24)
I do not think that it was a good decesion to take the bear with that many people around. What if the bear would have been wounded and charged the wildlife watchers? It turned out to be a small incident, but at the same time it could have had very adverse affects on the outdoor sporting community.
^^^I agree. It was in poor taste to shoot that bear in that situation. That experience could only serve as a negative outcome for those taking pictures of the bear.
Safety is the main issue here. I do take offense when people are taking pictures of wildlife. I, being amish, believe that taking pictures takes away part of the soul. I wish people would be more considerate of my views when I am trying to hunt. People need to be more ethical with their photography skills. kidding.
I would've passed on that bear for obvious reasons.
I agree with the safety concerns above and if this was at a well frequented overlook it seems in general poor taste. To play devil's advocate, at what point do our rights to our pursuit come into play? If your favorite hunting spot attracted some bird watchers across the valley this fall and old mossy horns wanders in front of you at a great distance and not at all in line with the watchers, but in a perfect shot for you, do you hold your shot becuase they may be enjoying the sight of this animal? Do wildlife viewers have a better claim to wildlife than hunters. I've never seen anyone pay money for a wildlife watching stamp that funds the state or federal programs. I think this is unfortunate PR, but I also don't see how it's persecutable if, other than the presence of onlookers (unless at a dangerous range) an animal is fair game pursued in fair chase.
Again, I'm not condoning this particular case. However, looking at the picture in the article, it seems to me that people running up that close to take pictures of a brown bear have already made a conscious effort to put themselves in danger. I'm not sure thier behavior should be condoned either.
It was a poor decision to shoot a bear in a location where Federal rules prohibit the shooting of the bear.
The wildlife watchers? F**k 'em. None of 'em would raise an objection were it wolves tearing apart an elk.
Yet another black eye for hunters, courtesy of those who are apparently thinking impaired.
At what point do the ecoterrorists discover that they can interfere with hunters' activities by "watching" wildlife. Sorry, but the watchers were in the hunters' territory, in season - they should've known better. As Mike Diehl said, "F**k'em."
I'm not particularly concerned about the wildlife watchers, but I'm having a hard time defending the hunters because this was a highway bridge in an area where shooting is prohibited. If this was a legal kill & some animal rights kooks just happenned to be in the area, then I'd say F**k 'em.
I thought I’d chime in a little with a quick follow up to the story. It appears a (federal) Kenai National Wildlife Refuge enforcement officer cited at least one of the two hunters for discharging a firearm along that portion of the highway. I believe the maximum penalty is $150.
I’ve also read where the Fish & Wildlife service is still investigating the incident, but as far as the state is concerned, the matter is closed. In fact, Alaska state troopers were on the scene when the hunters shot the bear but said they’re not pressing charges or conducting any investigation because no laws were broken.
Just more food for thought.
I didn't catch the part of the bear being on the bridge. From what I gathered, they shot the bear near the road and apparently you can't shoot bears within 1/4 mile of the road. This is why the state patrol officer didn't do anything, he couldn't. I find it funny that people freak out and want to blame all hunters, the policeman and most likely Sarah Palin.
So...what, every time I try to take a shot at an animal, and some idiot wants to take pictures of it, I'm supposed to ease my weapon down and pass on the shot? Wouldn't that give precedent to every pot-smoking, tree-hugging, hippie liberal asshat the means to passively end hunting? What if every one of these asshats decides, "Hey, we should take our cameras out into the woods and take pictures of deer, during hunting season, so those nasty hunters can't shoot them, because someone, somewhere passed a law that says you can't take game if someone else is observing said game?"
What a bunch of morons. I would have taken that bear if there weren't any restrictions. However, discharging a firearm in a prohibited area does warrant a citation. And why are there picture takers in the woods anyway, during hunting season? Here where I am in NY, the state lands are closed to non-hunters during hunting season. Of course, there are those that will violate that law and go into the woods to disturb people's hunts, in which case, a simple phone call to the DEC will get these people cited and/or arrested.
So...what, every time I try to take a shot at an animal, and some idiot wants to take pictures of it, I'm supposed to ease my weapon down and pass on the shot? Wouldn't that give precedent to every pot-smoking, tree-hugging, hippie liberal asshat the means to passively end hunting? What if every one of these asshats decides, "Hey, we should take our cameras out into the woods and take pictures of deer, during hunting season, so those nasty hunters can't shoot them, because someone, somewhere passed a law that says you can't take game if someone else is observing said game?"
What a bunch of morons. I would have taken that bear if there weren't any restrictions. However, discharging a firearm in a prohibited area does warrant a citation. And why are there picture takers in the woods anyway, during hunting season? Here where I am in NY, the state lands are closed to non-hunters during hunting season. Of course, there are those that will violate that law and go into the woods to disturb people's hunts, in which case, a simple phone call to the DEC will get these people cited and/or arrested.
I agree with you OrangeNeck (nice name). I am starting to feel like hunters are being told by people (hunters and non-hunters) that we should be ashamed of our sport and hide what we do. People need to deal with it. If people don't want to see it, do what you would do if you saw a fat guy at a nude beach, turn away. He has every right to be there so go somewhere else if it bothers you. Hunters own the forest, same as everybody else.
"PARTY FOUL" and "DOOM ON THEM", sorry to hear that these guys being called "hunters".
Not sure where I stand on this. Legally, it appears that the only thing that the bear shooters did wrong was break a law so obscure that the troopers patrolling that stretch of road weren't even aware existed.
Would I have shot the bear in front of picture taking "wildlife watchers?" Probably not.
But when do the rights of wildlife watchers take precedent over those of hunters, who support said wildlife through fees for licenses and permits along with taxes on hunting equipment?
My initial reaction was that the hunters needed to show a little more restraint but...
1) If your taking photos of bears during bear season then what do you expect?
2) The hunters paid dearly for use of the federal lands. The photographers paid nothing.
3) If the hunters broke the law then they should be punished.
OrangeNeckInNY,
Sorry to say, but State land in NY isn't closed to non-hunters during hunting seasons, unless you are referring to a specific area I'm not aware of.
Hunter harassment is illegal, but hikers, mountain bikers, and even horseback riders (on some trails), etc. get to be out there as well.
Fitch,
Yes, there are areas of state land on Long Island that are closed to everyone except hunters during hunting season.
It seems to me that, regardless of who is right or wrong, the antis will use this incident against us hunters- all because someone made a mistake he or she may not have been aware of. And that just sickens me that there are people who will do that to take away our freedom to hunt.
I'm a hiker and a hunter, and I don't have a problem with a hunter taking his prey with some hikers nearby, as long as the shot wasn't a risk to them. If I'm hiking during a hunting season, then I do my best not to scare game away from hunters in the area, and when I'm hunting I try to stay off the hiking trails and keep to the backcountry. If the wildlife observers are truly there to observe life in the wild, then they should feel fortunate to see a primal activity that has been occuring since the earliest days of man. The gun is only the modern evolution of the spear.
Bad taste. Makes hunters look bad. For me, it is somewhat akin to putting a carcass on your car hood or putting a picture of the inside of the deer in the newspaper. It does nothing for hunters reputation and I believe that it is downright disrespectful As hunters we always ask for respect from non-hunters and antis, but this is a case of hunters disrespecting the rights of those not looking to harvest game but merely to enjoy it. It is true that we have the freedom to hunt, but others also have the right to enjoy wildlife in their own way. I am glad that there was a citation issued.
On a brighter note, Alabama bow season opens the 15th. happy hunting down in dixie.
Find somewhere else to hunt when there aren't a bunch of people around. Its Alaska we are talking about here. Im sure there's a million other places to go hunt then somewhere with a "high poopulation density" and high traffic. Above all else use common sense. That being said, if nature watchers are where the hunting is then they are sure to become hunter watchers as well.
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Safety is the main issue here. I do take offense when people are taking pictures of wildlife. I, being amish, believe that taking pictures takes away part of the soul. I wish people would be more considerate of my views when I am trying to hunt. People need to be more ethical with their photography skills. kidding.
I agree with the safety concerns above and if this was at a well frequented overlook it seems in general poor taste. To play devil's advocate, at what point do our rights to our pursuit come into play? If your favorite hunting spot attracted some bird watchers across the valley this fall and old mossy horns wanders in front of you at a great distance and not at all in line with the watchers, but in a perfect shot for you, do you hold your shot becuase they may be enjoying the sight of this animal? Do wildlife viewers have a better claim to wildlife than hunters. I've never seen anyone pay money for a wildlife watching stamp that funds the state or federal programs. I think this is unfortunate PR, but I also don't see how it's persecutable if, other than the presence of onlookers (unless at a dangerous range) an animal is fair game pursued in fair chase.
I agree with you OrangeNeck (nice name). I am starting to feel like hunters are being told by people (hunters and non-hunters) that we should be ashamed of our sport and hide what we do. People need to deal with it. If people don't want to see it, do what you would do if you saw a fat guy at a nude beach, turn away. He has every right to be there so go somewhere else if it bothers you. Hunters own the forest, same as everybody else.
I do not think that it was a good decesion to take the bear with that many people around. What if the bear would have been wounded and charged the wildlife watchers? It turned out to be a small incident, but at the same time it could have had very adverse affects on the outdoor sporting community.
I would've passed on that bear for obvious reasons.
It was a poor decision to shoot a bear in a location where Federal rules prohibit the shooting of the bear.
The wildlife watchers? F**k 'em. None of 'em would raise an objection were it wolves tearing apart an elk.
Yet another black eye for hunters, courtesy of those who are apparently thinking impaired.
So...what, every time I try to take a shot at an animal, and some idiot wants to take pictures of it, I'm supposed to ease my weapon down and pass on the shot? Wouldn't that give precedent to every pot-smoking, tree-hugging, hippie liberal asshat the means to passively end hunting? What if every one of these asshats decides, "Hey, we should take our cameras out into the woods and take pictures of deer, during hunting season, so those nasty hunters can't shoot them, because someone, somewhere passed a law that says you can't take game if someone else is observing said game?"
What a bunch of morons. I would have taken that bear if there weren't any restrictions. However, discharging a firearm in a prohibited area does warrant a citation. And why are there picture takers in the woods anyway, during hunting season? Here where I am in NY, the state lands are closed to non-hunters during hunting season. Of course, there are those that will violate that law and go into the woods to disturb people's hunts, in which case, a simple phone call to the DEC will get these people cited and/or arrested.
^^^I agree. It was in poor taste to shoot that bear in that situation. That experience could only serve as a negative outcome for those taking pictures of the bear.
I'm not particularly concerned about the wildlife watchers, but I'm having a hard time defending the hunters because this was a highway bridge in an area where shooting is prohibited. If this was a legal kill & some animal rights kooks just happenned to be in the area, then I'd say F**k 'em.
"PARTY FOUL" and "DOOM ON THEM", sorry to hear that these guys being called "hunters".
Again, I'm not condoning this particular case. However, looking at the picture in the article, it seems to me that people running up that close to take pictures of a brown bear have already made a conscious effort to put themselves in danger. I'm not sure thier behavior should be condoned either.
At what point do the ecoterrorists discover that they can interfere with hunters' activities by "watching" wildlife. Sorry, but the watchers were in the hunters' territory, in season - they should've known better. As Mike Diehl said, "F**k'em."
I thought I’d chime in a little with a quick follow up to the story. It appears a (federal) Kenai National Wildlife Refuge enforcement officer cited at least one of the two hunters for discharging a firearm along that portion of the highway. I believe the maximum penalty is $150.
I’ve also read where the Fish & Wildlife service is still investigating the incident, but as far as the state is concerned, the matter is closed. In fact, Alaska state troopers were on the scene when the hunters shot the bear but said they’re not pressing charges or conducting any investigation because no laws were broken.
Just more food for thought.
So...what, every time I try to take a shot at an animal, and some idiot wants to take pictures of it, I'm supposed to ease my weapon down and pass on the shot? Wouldn't that give precedent to every pot-smoking, tree-hugging, hippie liberal asshat the means to passively end hunting? What if every one of these asshats decides, "Hey, we should take our cameras out into the woods and take pictures of deer, during hunting season, so those nasty hunters can't shoot them, because someone, somewhere passed a law that says you can't take game if someone else is observing said game?"
What a bunch of morons. I would have taken that bear if there weren't any restrictions. However, discharging a firearm in a prohibited area does warrant a citation. And why are there picture takers in the woods anyway, during hunting season? Here where I am in NY, the state lands are closed to non-hunters during hunting season. Of course, there are those that will violate that law and go into the woods to disturb people's hunts, in which case, a simple phone call to the DEC will get these people cited and/or arrested.
I didn't catch the part of the bear being on the bridge. From what I gathered, they shot the bear near the road and apparently you can't shoot bears within 1/4 mile of the road. This is why the state patrol officer didn't do anything, he couldn't. I find it funny that people freak out and want to blame all hunters, the policeman and most likely Sarah Palin.
Not sure where I stand on this. Legally, it appears that the only thing that the bear shooters did wrong was break a law so obscure that the troopers patrolling that stretch of road weren't even aware existed.
Would I have shot the bear in front of picture taking "wildlife watchers?" Probably not.
But when do the rights of wildlife watchers take precedent over those of hunters, who support said wildlife through fees for licenses and permits along with taxes on hunting equipment?
I'm a hiker and a hunter, and I don't have a problem with a hunter taking his prey with some hikers nearby, as long as the shot wasn't a risk to them. If I'm hiking during a hunting season, then I do my best not to scare game away from hunters in the area, and when I'm hunting I try to stay off the hiking trails and keep to the backcountry. If the wildlife observers are truly there to observe life in the wild, then they should feel fortunate to see a primal activity that has been occuring since the earliest days of man. The gun is only the modern evolution of the spear.
My initial reaction was that the hunters needed to show a little more restraint but...
1) If your taking photos of bears during bear season then what do you expect?
2) The hunters paid dearly for use of the federal lands. The photographers paid nothing.
3) If the hunters broke the law then they should be punished.
OrangeNeckInNY,
Sorry to say, but State land in NY isn't closed to non-hunters during hunting seasons, unless you are referring to a specific area I'm not aware of.
Hunter harassment is illegal, but hikers, mountain bikers, and even horseback riders (on some trails), etc. get to be out there as well.
Fitch,
Yes, there are areas of state land on Long Island that are closed to everyone except hunters during hunting season.
It seems to me that, regardless of who is right or wrong, the antis will use this incident against us hunters- all because someone made a mistake he or she may not have been aware of. And that just sickens me that there are people who will do that to take away our freedom to hunt.
Bad taste. Makes hunters look bad. For me, it is somewhat akin to putting a carcass on your car hood or putting a picture of the inside of the deer in the newspaper. It does nothing for hunters reputation and I believe that it is downright disrespectful As hunters we always ask for respect from non-hunters and antis, but this is a case of hunters disrespecting the rights of those not looking to harvest game but merely to enjoy it. It is true that we have the freedom to hunt, but others also have the right to enjoy wildlife in their own way. I am glad that there was a citation issued.
On a brighter note, Alabama bow season opens the 15th. happy hunting down in dixie.
Find somewhere else to hunt when there aren't a bunch of people around. Its Alaska we are talking about here. Im sure there's a million other places to go hunt then somewhere with a "high poopulation density" and high traffic. Above all else use common sense. That being said, if nature watchers are where the hunting is then they are sure to become hunter watchers as well.
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