


October 12, 2009
Discussion Topic: Gallup Poll Reveals Pro-Gun Trend
By Dave Hurteau
From gallup.com:
Gallup finds a new low of 44% of Americans saying the laws covering firearm sales should be made more strict. That is down 5 points in the last year and 34 points from the high of 78% recorded the first time the question was asked, in 1990. . . .
The poll also shows a new low in the percentage of Americans favoring a ban on handgun possession except by the police and other authorized persons, a question that dates back to 1959. Only 28% now favor such a ban. The high point in support for a handgun-possession ban was 60% in the initial measurement in 1959. . . .
According to Gallup’s research, this pro-gun trend is not due to a growth in personal gun ownership (which has been steady at about 30%), nor to an increase in household gun ownership (steady in the low 40% range), nor is it a specific reaction to the election of a Democratic president.
So what’s your best guess? Why are American’s becoming more pro-gun?
Comments (25)
Here I didn't think I was going to be a fan of Change.
Hard to guess why exactly. My best guess is that we, the American people, have seen an overall erosion of individual rights over the past two decades (ala The Patriot Act, etc), and people are holding on to some of our remaining rights that much stronger...
hopefully it has something to do with Americans realizing that the government is trying to take control of everything they can get there hands on. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend in which people want less government control instead of more. Hopefully this is the one that starts the ball rolling toward less government restrictions.
careful - the 5 point change from last year is only 1 point outside of the margin of error (+/- 4 pts).
It's only 5 points but it seems strange that gun ownership hasn't gone up at least a little. Maybe people that are thinking about buying a gun for the first time are finding out how strict the laws already are: waiting periods, background checks, all the forms you have to fill out & the regulations you need to learn.
I'd say its education programs and the wealth of information that people have at their fingertips that have done the trick. Through the work of the NRA and other sportsmen foundations, people are learning that firearms are not the boogeymen they are portrayed as by the likes of Ceasefire and the Brady Campaign.
Fear. I think a lot centers around self-protection - the fear of violent crime and realization that the law will probably not be there in time. The trend toward control of basic rights might also be getting some people's attention.
Wow! Those changes in the numbers since 2000 are significant. Hope the trend continues. The differences between Conservatives/Republicans and Liberals/Democrats is substantial.
I think people are beginning to recognize that "I'm from Washington, and I'm here to help" is the biggest come-on con-artist line going. And maybe people are really tired of having the hysterics shove the latest "omigodthinkofthechildren!!!!!" baloney rallying cry in their face.
Well said, Mike Diehl. Also the fact that every state that has legalized concealed carry has seen a significant reduction in violent crime statistics, and the "gun free cities" such as Chicago and Washington, D.C. are overwhelmed with crime.
Mike D.
It should read, "I'm from Chicago, er Washington, yeah that's right, and I'm here to help, er uh, collect your taxes, your common sense, your liberty, your guns, and your rights and redistribute them the way WE see fit..."
WA Mtnhunter-
Good luck in CO. Have a safe trip and kill a big one!
"every state that has legalized concealed carry has seen a significant reduction in violent crime statistics"
CRM3006,
Not disputing your assertation, but do you have any independent studies to back that up? I'd love to see some data on that that does not come from the NRA. I've seen a number of (rather biased) studies that point to a reduction in crime in concealed carry districts, but fail to recognize the across the board drop in crime since the early 90's. (A time-frame that interestingly-enough, mirrors the one reflected in the above-study)
Bob81-
Check the FBI and the Texas Department of Public Safety, just to name two.
Bob81 - the Harvard Journal of Constitutional Law and Policy presented a thoroughly researched piece that analyzed crime statistics in areas where firearms regulations were rather strict vs. areas where firearms regulations were less strict. The researchers for substantial evidence to support the conclusion that areas where firearms prohibitions were at a minimum - meaning more people could possess and carry (concealed or open) firearms - crime was significantly reduced. I have the article around here somewhere, I'll see if I can't get it for you.
Bob81-
Check Florida. They were the first to pass a concealed carry law.
Bob81 - Dug up the volume and I seems I have an error to correct. The name of the publication is the "Harvard Journal of Law & Policy." The title of the piece is "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide," by Don Kates and Gary Mauser. Don Kates is "an American criminologist and constitutional lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute," and Gary Mauser is a Canadian criminologist and professor. The article appears in Vol. 30, No. 2 of the Spring 2007 issue of the Journal. There is also an wonderful article examining similar issues titled, "Why Can't Martha Stewart Have A Gun?" in the Spring 2009 issue of the same Journal.
Now, can anyone around here tell me how to find out if a piece of property in WV purchased in 1908 still retains its mineral rights?
I hope that the public has slowly realized that the states with the strictest gun laws are no safer that the ones with the most leanient laws. Often, they have even more violent crime. Over time, I think the people with a rosy view of reality are starting to see that the criminals are ALWAYS gonna' have guns. What good does a 'ban' or stricter background checks do when the crooks are stealing their guns, or buying them stolen?
An Armed society is truly a polite society
Ruckweiler, I strongly second that....
Maybe, just maybe, the pendulum is swinging back our way...
this news warms me like seeing a deer on a cold winter's day, right in the heart it brings some warmth
I'd rather see a cold deer on an autumn day! ;)
Discovered that the expression "an armed society is a polite society" was written by Robert Heinlein, the science fiction writer. Proper credit is due him. I've heard this so often but didn't know the author. The word truly wasn't in the quote. That's how I'd always heard it.
Outstanding: It's about time more American wake up and see that they need to stand up for their rights and themselves.
It also helps strengthen our Second Ammendment rights by giving it a stronger voice.
Except by the police and other authorized persons?
Ask police and other authorized persons what "Agency" is responsible for your personnel protection!
GO AHEAD AND WATCH THEM BURST INTO FLAMES!
Even the NRA is too damn chicken to ask this question because no Agency cannot be responsible even if they were at your front door!
“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)
If you uncouple the gun issue from other liberal/conservative squabbles you will find that respect for our firearms bearing heritage is way broader than other issues. I tend to support Liberal policies as long as those policies are liberating in their effect, just as I support conservative efforts when something is actually being conserved. I know many, many "liberals" who love to go out and shoot things, just the behavior of conservatives turns them off, from people who think Sarah Palin is intelligent when she hasn't been known to even complete a grammatically correct sentence without a ghostwriter!
As it has been said "there are lies, dang lies and statistics". Observing statistics is what tells us that gun control INCREASES crime rather than reduces it and what REALLY reduces the crime rate (in about a decade and a half) is access to abortion for poor single urban mothers. If unwanted children aren't born, they don't grow up to be sociopaths! After all the problem has never been with guns or the responsible citizens who "keep and bear" the arms, it is Sociopathic citizens who obtain arms to vent their malevolence on others who create the problems that we good people have to deal with later. Reduce the number of Sociopaths and reduce crime, QED. Meanwhile there are still a lot of them sociopaths out there so we all have to keep our powder dry...
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Hard to guess why exactly. My best guess is that we, the American people, have seen an overall erosion of individual rights over the past two decades (ala The Patriot Act, etc), and people are holding on to some of our remaining rights that much stronger...
I think people are beginning to recognize that "I'm from Washington, and I'm here to help" is the biggest come-on con-artist line going. And maybe people are really tired of having the hysterics shove the latest "omigodthinkofthechildren!!!!!" baloney rallying cry in their face.
Bob81-
Check the FBI and the Texas Department of Public Safety, just to name two.
Bob81 - the Harvard Journal of Constitutional Law and Policy presented a thoroughly researched piece that analyzed crime statistics in areas where firearms regulations were rather strict vs. areas where firearms regulations were less strict. The researchers for substantial evidence to support the conclusion that areas where firearms prohibitions were at a minimum - meaning more people could possess and carry (concealed or open) firearms - crime was significantly reduced. I have the article around here somewhere, I'll see if I can't get it for you.
Here I didn't think I was going to be a fan of Change.
It's only 5 points but it seems strange that gun ownership hasn't gone up at least a little. Maybe people that are thinking about buying a gun for the first time are finding out how strict the laws already are: waiting periods, background checks, all the forms you have to fill out & the regulations you need to learn.
Well said, Mike Diehl. Also the fact that every state that has legalized concealed carry has seen a significant reduction in violent crime statistics, and the "gun free cities" such as Chicago and Washington, D.C. are overwhelmed with crime.
Mike D.
It should read, "I'm from Chicago, er Washington, yeah that's right, and I'm here to help, er uh, collect your taxes, your common sense, your liberty, your guns, and your rights and redistribute them the way WE see fit..."
WA Mtnhunter-
Good luck in CO. Have a safe trip and kill a big one!
"every state that has legalized concealed carry has seen a significant reduction in violent crime statistics"
CRM3006,
Not disputing your assertation, but do you have any independent studies to back that up? I'd love to see some data on that that does not come from the NRA. I've seen a number of (rather biased) studies that point to a reduction in crime in concealed carry districts, but fail to recognize the across the board drop in crime since the early 90's. (A time-frame that interestingly-enough, mirrors the one reflected in the above-study)
Bob81-
Check Florida. They were the first to pass a concealed carry law.
Bob81 - Dug up the volume and I seems I have an error to correct. The name of the publication is the "Harvard Journal of Law & Policy." The title of the piece is "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide," by Don Kates and Gary Mauser. Don Kates is "an American criminologist and constitutional lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute," and Gary Mauser is a Canadian criminologist and professor. The article appears in Vol. 30, No. 2 of the Spring 2007 issue of the Journal. There is also an wonderful article examining similar issues titled, "Why Can't Martha Stewart Have A Gun?" in the Spring 2009 issue of the same Journal.
Now, can anyone around here tell me how to find out if a piece of property in WV purchased in 1908 still retains its mineral rights?
I hope that the public has slowly realized that the states with the strictest gun laws are no safer that the ones with the most leanient laws. Often, they have even more violent crime. Over time, I think the people with a rosy view of reality are starting to see that the criminals are ALWAYS gonna' have guns. What good does a 'ban' or stricter background checks do when the crooks are stealing their guns, or buying them stolen?
An Armed society is truly a polite society
Ruckweiler, I strongly second that....
Maybe, just maybe, the pendulum is swinging back our way...
I'd rather see a cold deer on an autumn day! ;)
Outstanding: It's about time more American wake up and see that they need to stand up for their rights and themselves.
It also helps strengthen our Second Ammendment rights by giving it a stronger voice.
If you uncouple the gun issue from other liberal/conservative squabbles you will find that respect for our firearms bearing heritage is way broader than other issues. I tend to support Liberal policies as long as those policies are liberating in their effect, just as I support conservative efforts when something is actually being conserved. I know many, many "liberals" who love to go out and shoot things, just the behavior of conservatives turns them off, from people who think Sarah Palin is intelligent when she hasn't been known to even complete a grammatically correct sentence without a ghostwriter!
As it has been said "there are lies, dang lies and statistics". Observing statistics is what tells us that gun control INCREASES crime rather than reduces it and what REALLY reduces the crime rate (in about a decade and a half) is access to abortion for poor single urban mothers. If unwanted children aren't born, they don't grow up to be sociopaths! After all the problem has never been with guns or the responsible citizens who "keep and bear" the arms, it is Sociopathic citizens who obtain arms to vent their malevolence on others who create the problems that we good people have to deal with later. Reduce the number of Sociopaths and reduce crime, QED. Meanwhile there are still a lot of them sociopaths out there so we all have to keep our powder dry...
hopefully it has something to do with Americans realizing that the government is trying to take control of everything they can get there hands on. Hopefully this is the beginning of a trend in which people want less government control instead of more. Hopefully this is the one that starts the ball rolling toward less government restrictions.
careful - the 5 point change from last year is only 1 point outside of the margin of error (+/- 4 pts).
I'd say its education programs and the wealth of information that people have at their fingertips that have done the trick. Through the work of the NRA and other sportsmen foundations, people are learning that firearms are not the boogeymen they are portrayed as by the likes of Ceasefire and the Brady Campaign.
Fear. I think a lot centers around self-protection - the fear of violent crime and realization that the law will probably not be there in time. The trend toward control of basic rights might also be getting some people's attention.
Wow! Those changes in the numbers since 2000 are significant. Hope the trend continues. The differences between Conservatives/Republicans and Liberals/Democrats is substantial.
this news warms me like seeing a deer on a cold winter's day, right in the heart it brings some warmth
Discovered that the expression "an armed society is a polite society" was written by Robert Heinlein, the science fiction writer. Proper credit is due him. I've heard this so often but didn't know the author. The word truly wasn't in the quote. That's how I'd always heard it.
Except by the police and other authorized persons?
Ask police and other authorized persons what "Agency" is responsible for your personnel protection!
GO AHEAD AND WATCH THEM BURST INTO FLAMES!
Even the NRA is too damn chicken to ask this question because no Agency cannot be responsible even if they were at your front door!
“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)
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