


October 05, 2009
Discussion Topic: On The Supreme Court And Hunting Videos
By Dave Hurteau
Do you realize that there is a federal law that prohibits the sale or possession for commercial gain of material that depicts living animals being "intentionally maimed, mutilated, tortured, wounded, or killed"? Sound familiar? Sound like your favorite hunting video or TV show? Of course, hunters worthy of the name never intentionally maim, mutilate, torture, or wound. But we do intentionally kill, and more and more often these days it’s done on video for commercial gain.
So what gives?
The law was initially targeted at "crush videos," in which women in high heels crush small animals to death for the sexual titillation of viewers, according to this Washington Post article. But in 2004, pit-bull trainer and videographer Robert J. Stevens was convicted under the statute. Tomorrow, the Supreme Court will hear his case and could eventually decide whether or not you get to watch your next hunting video or TV show.
From the Post story:
Although the law has been used sparingly, it leaves in the hands of the government the power to criminalize speech that is either unpopular or offensive. It is written so broadly that it could be used to chill or even ensnare legitimate newsgathering exercises or put in legal jeopardy those who capture hunting expeditions on tape.
Be sure to check out the full article and weigh in.
Comments (11)
what kind of sick people would watch a "crusher" video in the first place??
I don't buy hunting videos, but have thought it'd be cool to video one of my hunts. That hardly makes me a criminal, but that's what the left does. They criminalize the innocent and empower the criminals, in many, many ways. On a comical but scary note, Obama's appointees think animals have the right to sue, as if the courts aren't already inundated with frivolous lawsuits. Who wins? Not us.
Steve,
This is not a left vs. right issue. It's a silly law that could have far-reaching repercussions, but the fact is, HR 1887 (Depictions of Animal Cruelty Act) was introduced by a Republican, co-sponsored by many Republicans and passed through a Republican majority Senate.
Suffice to say, it's not the right that's looking out for you as a hunter while the left tries to take your guns.
Rather, both parties have long ignored sportsmen and damaged our hunting and fishing heritage.
Giving one party a pass and flinging left vs. right rhetoric only serves to empower elected officials from both parties to continue policies that are detrimental to sportsmen.
Greg, Thanks for the info. I will admit ignorance of this particular law, though i've heard of it. As far as the left vs. right rhetoric, it's hard not to generalize. The right has been (is) much more hunter friendly and pro-2A, that's hard to argue, but none of them get a free pass from me as you imply. I doubt if the Republicans who passed this bill intended it to criminalize hunters though, but i'm only speculating i admit. The one's who use this law to criminalize hunters will likely be part of this ultra-liberal ultra-left administration, or a future one like it, god forbid, or the activist judges they appoint. If you disagree, i'm ok with that. Good day.
I think Greg makes a great point, and one that many folks would do well to take note of. I'll leave that at that.
As Steve suggests, this law was leveraged by animal-rights organizations who have long taken aim at Mr Stevens, in much the same way IRS law was used to bring down mobsters. The difference, of course, is that the mobsters really were evading taxes and that's a real crime... Mr Stevens was creating books and videos about dogs. That research was (and still is) legitimate. He was not holding or promoting dog fights, nor was he instructing people how to fight their dogs. It's a facet of the breed's history and nothing else.
The ramifications of the case, of course, are what most people are concerned with. If they can bring Stevens down for this, how long before they come after videos of houndsmen catching hogs, bears, foxes, or rabbits? And at what point do they turn the legal guns on depictions of an arrowed buck struggling its last, or the death run of a well hit bull elk?
Of course, the ruckus is largely moot right now. The case has pretty well run its course, and Stevens went through some pretty dark times in the process of beating this thing back... and most of that fight was largely unheralded by the sporting media. This week's court date is likely a formality, but the hunting media should recognize the near miss they just experienced. And if we get a surprise this week, it comes in large part because good men did nothing when the time was critical.
I never heard of a "crush video" before now--sounds pretty sick to me. I bet PETA hates em. That's wierd--I think I agree with PETA--uggh, I just creeped myself out.
Seriously, it wouldn't be hard to write a law that prohibits killing small animals for sexual pleasure without trampling all over our First Amendment rights.
Very often laws are passed for one thing, then used for something totally different...these groups would love to end hunting as a whole, and sadly I wouldn't be surprised if they succeeded in our lifetime....some of the anti-hunters harassing me even suggest my kids be taken away for exposing them to killing...sounds far fetched today...but if the wrong people get in positions of power, and they steer the political and educational systems their way, anything is possible...
I have ZERO use for Bubba Big Buck Huntin Videos. They are exactly what is at the root of our problems with the media and the non-hunting public. The same goes for the outdoor channels like the ones F&S runs adds for in their magazine, like the Bone Collector and the fella with the bimbo looking wife that take all kinds of record book game-- you know darn well neither of them could kill a spike if it wasn't behind a fence! I agree, get rid of this junk before it screws up our hunting rights. Hunters shouldn't be looking for profits from hunting in the first place!!
I agree but disagree with you Walt. I agree that hunting TV shows are not helpful to our group being accepted by others, but really how far can we go to please everyone? I can be respectful of others, and I hope others are too. But where are we to draw the line? We have to draw the line somewhere and say "we have done our best, but now start respecting us and our sport". I really don't want to be a hunter in hiding somewhere down the road. We have to be respectful but we need to be proud of our sportsman's history and stand up for ourselves. It needs to be a respect from us and them, nobody ever talks about non-hunters respecting our sport!
Walt, I like to watch hunting videos. When I can't get into the field for myself they are fun to watch how much other people enjoy hunting. If you (or others) don't like them, just turn them off. I think some of the sitcoms that promote gay lifestyles are offensive, but I am not trying to get them banned. I simply don't watch them. Dont take away someone else's pleasure just because you don't like it. That type of thinking is the same as the people trying to end hunting because they don't agree with it.
Dighunter, that is a great point. If hunters begin to divide anti-hunters begin to win.
Post a Comment
Steve,
This is not a left vs. right issue. It's a silly law that could have far-reaching repercussions, but the fact is, HR 1887 (Depictions of Animal Cruelty Act) was introduced by a Republican, co-sponsored by many Republicans and passed through a Republican majority Senate.
Suffice to say, it's not the right that's looking out for you as a hunter while the left tries to take your guns.
Rather, both parties have long ignored sportsmen and damaged our hunting and fishing heritage.
Giving one party a pass and flinging left vs. right rhetoric only serves to empower elected officials from both parties to continue policies that are detrimental to sportsmen.
what kind of sick people would watch a "crusher" video in the first place??
I think Greg makes a great point, and one that many folks would do well to take note of. I'll leave that at that.
As Steve suggests, this law was leveraged by animal-rights organizations who have long taken aim at Mr Stevens, in much the same way IRS law was used to bring down mobsters. The difference, of course, is that the mobsters really were evading taxes and that's a real crime... Mr Stevens was creating books and videos about dogs. That research was (and still is) legitimate. He was not holding or promoting dog fights, nor was he instructing people how to fight their dogs. It's a facet of the breed's history and nothing else.
The ramifications of the case, of course, are what most people are concerned with. If they can bring Stevens down for this, how long before they come after videos of houndsmen catching hogs, bears, foxes, or rabbits? And at what point do they turn the legal guns on depictions of an arrowed buck struggling its last, or the death run of a well hit bull elk?
Of course, the ruckus is largely moot right now. The case has pretty well run its course, and Stevens went through some pretty dark times in the process of beating this thing back... and most of that fight was largely unheralded by the sporting media. This week's court date is likely a formality, but the hunting media should recognize the near miss they just experienced. And if we get a surprise this week, it comes in large part because good men did nothing when the time was critical.
Very often laws are passed for one thing, then used for something totally different...these groups would love to end hunting as a whole, and sadly I wouldn't be surprised if they succeeded in our lifetime....some of the anti-hunters harassing me even suggest my kids be taken away for exposing them to killing...sounds far fetched today...but if the wrong people get in positions of power, and they steer the political and educational systems their way, anything is possible...
Walt, I like to watch hunting videos. When I can't get into the field for myself they are fun to watch how much other people enjoy hunting. If you (or others) don't like them, just turn them off. I think some of the sitcoms that promote gay lifestyles are offensive, but I am not trying to get them banned. I simply don't watch them. Dont take away someone else's pleasure just because you don't like it. That type of thinking is the same as the people trying to end hunting because they don't agree with it.
I never heard of a "crush video" before now--sounds pretty sick to me. I bet PETA hates em. That's wierd--I think I agree with PETA--uggh, I just creeped myself out.
Seriously, it wouldn't be hard to write a law that prohibits killing small animals for sexual pleasure without trampling all over our First Amendment rights.
I agree but disagree with you Walt. I agree that hunting TV shows are not helpful to our group being accepted by others, but really how far can we go to please everyone? I can be respectful of others, and I hope others are too. But where are we to draw the line? We have to draw the line somewhere and say "we have done our best, but now start respecting us and our sport". I really don't want to be a hunter in hiding somewhere down the road. We have to be respectful but we need to be proud of our sportsman's history and stand up for ourselves. It needs to be a respect from us and them, nobody ever talks about non-hunters respecting our sport!
Dighunter, that is a great point. If hunters begin to divide anti-hunters begin to win.
I don't buy hunting videos, but have thought it'd be cool to video one of my hunts. That hardly makes me a criminal, but that's what the left does. They criminalize the innocent and empower the criminals, in many, many ways. On a comical but scary note, Obama's appointees think animals have the right to sue, as if the courts aren't already inundated with frivolous lawsuits. Who wins? Not us.
Greg, Thanks for the info. I will admit ignorance of this particular law, though i've heard of it. As far as the left vs. right rhetoric, it's hard not to generalize. The right has been (is) much more hunter friendly and pro-2A, that's hard to argue, but none of them get a free pass from me as you imply. I doubt if the Republicans who passed this bill intended it to criminalize hunters though, but i'm only speculating i admit. The one's who use this law to criminalize hunters will likely be part of this ultra-liberal ultra-left administration, or a future one like it, god forbid, or the activist judges they appoint. If you disagree, i'm ok with that. Good day.
I have ZERO use for Bubba Big Buck Huntin Videos. They are exactly what is at the root of our problems with the media and the non-hunting public. The same goes for the outdoor channels like the ones F&S runs adds for in their magazine, like the Bone Collector and the fella with the bimbo looking wife that take all kinds of record book game-- you know darn well neither of them could kill a spike if it wasn't behind a fence! I agree, get rid of this junk before it screws up our hunting rights. Hunters shouldn't be looking for profits from hunting in the first place!!
Post a Comment