


November 16, 2009
Discussion Topic: Tim Pawlenty Under Gun Over Wounded Buck
By Dave Hurteau
From the Minnesota AP News:
Gov. Tim Pawlenty shot a buck during the Governor's Deer Opener [on November 7], but he and his hunting companions were unable to find the wounded animal. . . .
"We gave her the old college try two days in a row," said Mark Johnson, executive director of the Minnesota Deer Hunters Association and an organizer of Pawlenty's annual outing. . . .
[T]he governor was unable to keep up the search because he had to leave for Iowa . . . [to speak] at a Republican Party fundraiser. . . Saturday night.
Johnson said the rest of the hunting party — 10 people with close to 200 years of cumulative hunting experience among them — went looking for the governor's deer but determined that it wasn't all that seriously hurt.
This report broke while I was away bowhunting in Iowa—but like the governor’s buck, the story is still kicking, with the potential GOP presidential candidate taking heat from nonhunters and hunters alike. For example, from the Star Tribune:
Gov. Tim Pawlenty has taken a drubbing from hunters for not tracking down a deer he shot on opening day of Minnesota's firearm deer season.
A [contributor] on deerhuntingchat.com wrote: . . . "What kind of slob hunter goes out opening morning and shoots a deer knowing full well you won't have time to retrieve it or tend to it? One whose presidential ambitions override his hunting ethics, that's what kind."
Check out both articles, then tell us what you think. Was the governor wrong to leave the search to his companions? Or has the whole thing been blow out of proportion?
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Interesting that so many hunters are criticizing the man for not retrieving his deer especially when in the last year I have read in this magazine as well as others stories of writers or editors in those publications who shot a deer and couldn't find it before they left camp. In one case it was two weeks later that the guide found the deer chewed up by coyotes. I like to call the guys who criticize everyone else "ethics nazis" they have the atttitude that their gut pile smells sweeter than most.
Two days of "old college try" (whatever that means) seems like a great effort. I have heard of people working much less to recover an animal and people thinking that is ethical. I guess we can give him guff because he signed up for it by being a politician, comes with the job.
I would imagine this deer was looked for harder than most if for no other reason than to try and avoid the PR nightmare not recovering it has (and will) be.
Sometimes, deer aren't recovered. It happens to deer shot by joe average hunter w/both gun and bow and because they aren't a public figure most people never know.
Sounds like a bunch of self-righteous, hypercritical, overwrought, armchair trackers to me.
Totally with elkslayer on the "ethics nazis" comment as well. These guys hold everyone but themselves to a higher standard than God... at least as long as they can do so from the anonymous safety of their computer desk.
I had one crawl into a river on me. I still spent all that day and the Sunday after trying to find evidence that he made it out (I saw the final crawl, but didn't follow up fast enough, there was no way he was making it out) or washed up. If that following day was a legal hunting day and not Sunday in PA, I might have been hunting instead. I knew there was little to no chance of finding that deer and that even if I did, the odds of it being remotely salvagable were even slimmer. Was sick about it for days, but sometimes these things happen. Two days and a 10 man party, particularly an experienced 10 man party, seems to be a reasonable, if not marathon effort. What would the headlines have been if the governor had missed obligations becuase he'd gone hunting? Remember he's a Republican, he doesn't get the "Governing is hard work and he deserves it" media pass.
No one likes to lose a deer, but it happens! End of discussion! Hunting and retrieving deer is not an exact science and sometimes we as hunters don't make the perfect shot or have to go to work instead of spending a 3rd day to try and retrieve a wounded deer. I wish all shots could be perfect and the animal I am hunting is harvested with the least amount of physical pain, but the reality is much different than that. The average hunter cannot take off of work on a Monday to search for a deer he wounded on Saturday. It is too bad, but that is simply the way things work.
So what it happens quit a bite that you hear about were someone shot a deer and couldnt find it. some times it just happens. It is not like he shot it and just decided to leave or just cut off the horns.
I'm a Minnesotan and I think the real problem people have with this story is the fact that he took 200 yard shot, wounded the deer, and then didn't look for it himself. A 200 yard shot is hard enough for a skilled hunter, much less a token hunter like Pawlenty who spends a grand total 3 hours in the woods a year. I mean you gotta give the guy credit for being out there and supporting hunting but at the end of the day it's just a glorified photo-op. You'd expect a guy who is the Governor and potential presidential candidate to be a little more responsible than that.
Who cares what the non-hunters think? (except Pawlenty, lol). If I were in his position and taking flak from over-wrought hand-wringing activists, I'd tell em', "If you think its so easy, get off your arse and help me find it!" Oh well, maybe next time.
Mark J nailed it, I think.
It's not that the deer was lost--that happens--it's that Pawlenty left "the little people" to look for it while he jetted off to the next political function on his calendar.
Turn the story around: would you respect him more if he had told the Iowa people that he would be delayed because he was trying to locate the deer he lost?
If you answer "yes," then maybe you should respect him less for wounding a deer and then leaving the scene.
Why butt into the Gov's hunting party's business? They're adults and consented to track the deer in his absence. That's what friends do. To follow the logic of some, we shouldn't hunt on Saturday if we have to work Monday, since almost any shot could result in a wounded animal to track. Maybe they support like the gov and support his career, and would rather have him taking care of business than being the 11th tracker.
200 yard shot thats ethical a lot of areas thats the norm and im sure his gun was sited in for that. i had to leave a deer i shot and tracked for 2 hours and over a mile. i was sick about it. my dad and 8 other people looked for it and didn't find it so i went out looking a day later when i got back and i found the deer 500 yrds away under a dead tree and completely hidden they can get away... they avoid hunters all the time and when injured they can do the same.. stop reading into it any further than its a fact of hunting they are built 2 survive and all you can do is your best...
Seems kinda lame to shoot a deer and let his handlers do the work of recovery. If you don't wanna do the time, don't do the crime! Sounds like typical elitist repuke thinking, have the peons do it. As we all line dance into Oligarchy.
If the blood trail goes cold, how do you suppose the deer is going to get tracked? It's wounded, but still alive, maybe. He put in a two-day effort to find it and that shows he does care about finding it. But because he had prior commitments, he could no continue to track it. Perhaps yet, another hunter came up on the deer and took it for himself, and I know for a fact that happens.
A lot of hunters have lost deer, and a lot more hunters are going to lose deer in the future.
Two-hundred yard shots aren't that long. The farm I hunt on is 300 yards from one end to the other, and I situate myself at the one end opposite from where the deer come out. I use a 7mm Rem. Mag. and I know exactly where my 150 grain soft-point bullet hits at that distance.
Sh!t happens; people need to get over it and themselves (those that criticize). I'm sure I'm going to lose a deer or two in the future but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If, after two days of tracking, I haven't found the animal, then chances are it's still alive. If it's dead, then nature will reclaim it herself. Nothing goes to waste in nature and people need to start realizing that. People also need to realize that all these bullsh!t regulations with hunting came about because the antis started lobbying the government to legislate us to death. If they can't stop us from hunting from the word "go," then they'll do it incrementally. Think about when your grand-dad used to go hunting and what it was like back then, and then think about how it is now. It's enough to make your head explode if you actually sat down and thought about it, then realized, "holy crap, they did this to us and we let them!" Is it any wonder that we're losing hunters every year because people are leaving the sport and/or not signing up new members?
Gov. Pawlenty is only human. Sh!t happens. Get over it.
200 yard shots may not be long for the people talking on here but you guys need to realize that Pawlenty is a token hunter. He only hunts about 4 hours a year and in 7 years he killed one deer. If he can only allocate 4 hours a year to hunting, how much time do you suppose he spends shooting his rifle? The question is not whether you orangeneckinNY or you fliphuntr14 could make a 200 yard shot, it's whether Pawlenty should have been taking the shot. In my opinion an inexperienced hunter should not be taking that kind of shot. I think the result of his shot is a pretty good example of why they shouldn't.
Seems like you know this guy pretty well, a buddy of yours? You keep telling us all this information that only a friend or a stalker would know about. From what I have read this guy gave it his best shot to recover the deer, and I will assume that he is as busted up as any of us would be for losing an animal.
The report suggests that the govornor left finding the wounded deer entirely up to his assistants. If he didn't have time to do the whole nine yards they shoulda arranged one of them Deutchland style hunts where the Gov gets to sit in a nice comfy tower and pot the ungulates as the foresters drive the deer by. Yeah, he shoulda gone hunting like Cheney does, canned hunts give great photo ops and allow one to model ones brandy new expensive gear so's one can appear to be a super nimrod (without any blood or feces touching those lily white hands).
I'm not citing any secret information here, read the actual news story it's all in there. Also the Governer's opener was less than 10 miles from my home last year so I have a pretty good idea of how it works.
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Interesting that so many hunters are criticizing the man for not retrieving his deer especially when in the last year I have read in this magazine as well as others stories of writers or editors in those publications who shot a deer and couldn't find it before they left camp. In one case it was two weeks later that the guide found the deer chewed up by coyotes. I like to call the guys who criticize everyone else "ethics nazis" they have the atttitude that their gut pile smells sweeter than most.
Mark J nailed it, I think.
It's not that the deer was lost--that happens--it's that Pawlenty left "the little people" to look for it while he jetted off to the next political function on his calendar.
Turn the story around: would you respect him more if he had told the Iowa people that he would be delayed because he was trying to locate the deer he lost?
If you answer "yes," then maybe you should respect him less for wounding a deer and then leaving the scene.
Two days of "old college try" (whatever that means) seems like a great effort. I have heard of people working much less to recover an animal and people thinking that is ethical. I guess we can give him guff because he signed up for it by being a politician, comes with the job.
I would imagine this deer was looked for harder than most if for no other reason than to try and avoid the PR nightmare not recovering it has (and will) be.
Sometimes, deer aren't recovered. It happens to deer shot by joe average hunter w/both gun and bow and because they aren't a public figure most people never know.
I had one crawl into a river on me. I still spent all that day and the Sunday after trying to find evidence that he made it out (I saw the final crawl, but didn't follow up fast enough, there was no way he was making it out) or washed up. If that following day was a legal hunting day and not Sunday in PA, I might have been hunting instead. I knew there was little to no chance of finding that deer and that even if I did, the odds of it being remotely salvagable were even slimmer. Was sick about it for days, but sometimes these things happen. Two days and a 10 man party, particularly an experienced 10 man party, seems to be a reasonable, if not marathon effort. What would the headlines have been if the governor had missed obligations becuase he'd gone hunting? Remember he's a Republican, he doesn't get the "Governing is hard work and he deserves it" media pass.
No one likes to lose a deer, but it happens! End of discussion! Hunting and retrieving deer is not an exact science and sometimes we as hunters don't make the perfect shot or have to go to work instead of spending a 3rd day to try and retrieve a wounded deer. I wish all shots could be perfect and the animal I am hunting is harvested with the least amount of physical pain, but the reality is much different than that. The average hunter cannot take off of work on a Monday to search for a deer he wounded on Saturday. It is too bad, but that is simply the way things work.
I'm a Minnesotan and I think the real problem people have with this story is the fact that he took 200 yard shot, wounded the deer, and then didn't look for it himself. A 200 yard shot is hard enough for a skilled hunter, much less a token hunter like Pawlenty who spends a grand total 3 hours in the woods a year. I mean you gotta give the guy credit for being out there and supporting hunting but at the end of the day it's just a glorified photo-op. You'd expect a guy who is the Governor and potential presidential candidate to be a little more responsible than that.
200 yard shots may not be long for the people talking on here but you guys need to realize that Pawlenty is a token hunter. He only hunts about 4 hours a year and in 7 years he killed one deer. If he can only allocate 4 hours a year to hunting, how much time do you suppose he spends shooting his rifle? The question is not whether you orangeneckinNY or you fliphuntr14 could make a 200 yard shot, it's whether Pawlenty should have been taking the shot. In my opinion an inexperienced hunter should not be taking that kind of shot. I think the result of his shot is a pretty good example of why they shouldn't.
I'm not citing any secret information here, read the actual news story it's all in there. Also the Governer's opener was less than 10 miles from my home last year so I have a pretty good idea of how it works.
Sounds like a bunch of self-righteous, hypercritical, overwrought, armchair trackers to me.
Totally with elkslayer on the "ethics nazis" comment as well. These guys hold everyone but themselves to a higher standard than God... at least as long as they can do so from the anonymous safety of their computer desk.
So what it happens quit a bite that you hear about were someone shot a deer and couldnt find it. some times it just happens. It is not like he shot it and just decided to leave or just cut off the horns.
Why butt into the Gov's hunting party's business? They're adults and consented to track the deer in his absence. That's what friends do. To follow the logic of some, we shouldn't hunt on Saturday if we have to work Monday, since almost any shot could result in a wounded animal to track. Maybe they support like the gov and support his career, and would rather have him taking care of business than being the 11th tracker.
200 yard shot thats ethical a lot of areas thats the norm and im sure his gun was sited in for that. i had to leave a deer i shot and tracked for 2 hours and over a mile. i was sick about it. my dad and 8 other people looked for it and didn't find it so i went out looking a day later when i got back and i found the deer 500 yrds away under a dead tree and completely hidden they can get away... they avoid hunters all the time and when injured they can do the same.. stop reading into it any further than its a fact of hunting they are built 2 survive and all you can do is your best...
Who cares what the non-hunters think? (except Pawlenty, lol). If I were in his position and taking flak from over-wrought hand-wringing activists, I'd tell em', "If you think its so easy, get off your arse and help me find it!" Oh well, maybe next time.
If the blood trail goes cold, how do you suppose the deer is going to get tracked? It's wounded, but still alive, maybe. He put in a two-day effort to find it and that shows he does care about finding it. But because he had prior commitments, he could no continue to track it. Perhaps yet, another hunter came up on the deer and took it for himself, and I know for a fact that happens.
A lot of hunters have lost deer, and a lot more hunters are going to lose deer in the future.
Two-hundred yard shots aren't that long. The farm I hunt on is 300 yards from one end to the other, and I situate myself at the one end opposite from where the deer come out. I use a 7mm Rem. Mag. and I know exactly where my 150 grain soft-point bullet hits at that distance.
Sh!t happens; people need to get over it and themselves (those that criticize). I'm sure I'm going to lose a deer or two in the future but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. If, after two days of tracking, I haven't found the animal, then chances are it's still alive. If it's dead, then nature will reclaim it herself. Nothing goes to waste in nature and people need to start realizing that. People also need to realize that all these bullsh!t regulations with hunting came about because the antis started lobbying the government to legislate us to death. If they can't stop us from hunting from the word "go," then they'll do it incrementally. Think about when your grand-dad used to go hunting and what it was like back then, and then think about how it is now. It's enough to make your head explode if you actually sat down and thought about it, then realized, "holy crap, they did this to us and we let them!" Is it any wonder that we're losing hunters every year because people are leaving the sport and/or not signing up new members?
Gov. Pawlenty is only human. Sh!t happens. Get over it.
Seems like you know this guy pretty well, a buddy of yours? You keep telling us all this information that only a friend or a stalker would know about. From what I have read this guy gave it his best shot to recover the deer, and I will assume that he is as busted up as any of us would be for losing an animal.
Seems kinda lame to shoot a deer and let his handlers do the work of recovery. If you don't wanna do the time, don't do the crime! Sounds like typical elitist repuke thinking, have the peons do it. As we all line dance into Oligarchy.
The report suggests that the govornor left finding the wounded deer entirely up to his assistants. If he didn't have time to do the whole nine yards they shoulda arranged one of them Deutchland style hunts where the Gov gets to sit in a nice comfy tower and pot the ungulates as the foresters drive the deer by. Yeah, he shoulda gone hunting like Cheney does, canned hunts give great photo ops and allow one to model ones brandy new expensive gear so's one can appear to be a super nimrod (without any blood or feces touching those lily white hands).
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