


November 13, 2009
On Squirrel Collaboration and Wasted Meat
By Mike Toth
A guest post from Executive Editor Mike Toth.
Most of us well know the inverse relationship between hunters collaborating on a squirrel and the squirrel itself. That is, the more the hunters collaborate, the less squirrel there is when the shooting is over. This rule was made abundantly clear earlier this week when Senior Editor Colin Kearns and I went after bushytails on a Wildlife Management Area in central New Jersey.
Jersey is a shotgun-only state (with exceptions for muzzleloader), and my favorite squirrel load is ...
... 1 ounce of No. 6 shot out of a Modified choke on a 12 gauge. This gives me an effective but not too dense pattern, decent penetration without overdoing it, and, when I need it, enough range.
The problem is when you don’t have enough range. That’s what happened on our hunt.
Colin puts the same amount of effort into still-hunting squirrels as he would looking for a six-by-six bull in the Grand Tetons, so any squirrel that pops up in his path is likely burying its final acorn. Not ten minutes into our hunt (we had decided to walk the woods together), Colin surprised one at the base of a tree and shot immediately, but the squirrel moved as he pulled the trigger and the pattern hit its hind end. I came around the far side and saw the bushytail hiding on the other side of the tree, where Colin couldn’t see it. I started backing up to give my load a chance to spread out. But the squirrel—surprisingly mobile--started to move toward a dense tangle, so I shot just above it, hoping to edge it with the pattern. Miss. Another high shot. Another miss. The squirrel was still moving toward the brush, and I hated to think that we’d leave a wounded creature in the woods, so I put the bead on its head. I did not miss.
Boy, did I not miss.
There was enough meat to salvage, but most squirrel recipes don’t include decimals in the ingredients, if you get my drift. Fortunately Colin got another one later in the day (shown here), which gave him enough meat to make a small pot pie.
We all love cleanly killed animals that look great for the camera, but the reality is that once in a while, you are going to mangle game, no matter how hard you try not to. On this hunt, I deliberately shot at close range so I wouldn’t risk losing the squirrel. But I do admit to occasionally having taken close shots purely out of choice—and greed. After a long day in the field with nothing to show for it, it’s difficult to hold your fire on an animal that appears right in front of your gun, because waiting for it to move farther away may result in your not getting a shot off at all.
My resolution from here on is to wait for all close-flushing (and non-wounded) game to move farther from my muzzle before I shoot. If I get a shot at a range that won’t tear up the meat, terrific. If not, I will learn to accept the game as lost, and move on. The animals we hunt, even when they’re dead, deserve that respect. --Mike Toth
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Go with 7-1/2 or 8's you'll get your distance and less damage to meat.
I use 2-3/4 Remington or Federal Game loads with no issues. I've even used 4's and 6's with no issue.
That's using a modified choke on Bushy tails and Rabbit.
7-1/2 works reallly well.
Aim for head and you won't have issues with body shots.
Lead them a little when on the run like rabbit hunting.
What really stinks is that it is shotgun only.
Tough to mangle game with a head shot from a .22 or .17.
To the comment about "mangling game":
How much was usable from the mangled squirrel, who has little meat on it as it is?
Squirrels and rabbit are about the only thing that I hunt well, and even I have come home without an animal because of the lack of a proper shot. Shame on you for killing an animal simply because you didn't want to come home empty handed. We here at F&S should be more responsible than that, and for the most part, are.
Flyer22, he didn't shoot it out of greed (this time), he shot it because it was already wounded and he did not want it to languish in agony in the woods.
No. 6 shot for squirrel? I've used no.6's for turkeys! I think if a .22 isn't an option, go w/ 8's.
So flyer22, would you rather leave an animal to suffer if you don't have a clean second shot? We here at F&S should READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE BEFORE COMMENTING and for the most part everybody else does.
too bad it's shotgun only. i learned when i first started hunting squirrels about barking them. if you can use a .22 you can shoot right next to their head when they are on the tree and the concussion kills them. i've actually done it. but as you said, you don't always get the ideal shot and good for you for not letting the wounded animal suffer.
It sucks that it is shotgun only. I have in the past hunted them well with both shotgun and .22. However, a good choice to go with is a air rifle. I have successfully hunted squirrel with an air rifle for years. One shot to the head = a clean kill. My current air rifle shoots at 1200 fps. Clean kill, no wasted meat, and more fun (it kind of takes you back to the good old days of your youth).
I have also killed rabbits with it as well. However, it is much harder to find a rabbit sitting still for a clean shot than a squirrel.
Oh my freaking lord did I read the whole article.
I quote "But I do admit to occasionally having taken close shots purely out of choice—and GREED. After a long day in the field with nothing to show for it, it’s difficult to hold your fire on an animal that appears right in front of your gun, because waiting for it to move farther away may result in your not getting a shot off at all."
THAT WAS THE STATEMENT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
"...not getting a shot off at all" versus a hasty shot that will simply kill a squirrel and leave little left over.
I am not calling Mr. Toth an irresponsible hunter, of course not. I would never do that due to not knowing the man from Adam, and I am SURE that he is quite the opposite.
So why don't you read a little more into my post and into the last statements in the article before you rush to judgment.
And my "shame on you" statement was a little more sarcastic and playful minded than you give it credit for, my most sincere and heart felt apologies if you deemed it otherwise.
I agree with putting the animal out on the one that his buddy had shot previously....but obviously YOU did not read any further into what he said AFTER that.
flyer22: Actually, having an occasionally too-fast trigger finger is but one of thousands of faults I have (my family, friends, and coworkers gratuitously offer this information, often to complete strangers).
jamesti: I’ve never even tried to bark a squirrel over in PA, where I hunt small game occasionally (and where rimfires can be used, thank God), but it’s awesome that you’ve done so successfully. Good shooting.
So your stuck using a shotgun, why not downsize to one suitable to the game your hunting.A lightweight SxS 20ga is more than enough gun for squirrel hunting.
Why not hunt with a pellet gun? head shots only and they don't run off, you still have plenty of range too.
For a tree critter a good .410 would be plenty its squirrel not a grizz, or as rabbit said a pellet gun. flyer22 I would'nt be to quick to judge unless you want to be judged.
So what would be a good shot size with a 20ga? I haven't hunted in 14 years(deer), and want to get into squirrel/rabbit hunting.
7 1/2's is fine for such size game.The beauty behind the SxS is you can have 2 diffferent choke options, full for headshots on sitting squirrels and mod, for runners
anybody have any suggestions or feedback for squirel eating? i have wanted to squirel hunt for a while now and have a good spot in the pine barrens here in jersey but haven't gone out because i don't know if i would eat what i killed and don't want to shoot it if i'm not cooking it. thanks in advance.
I agree with idduckhntr Since it is shotgun only, why not go with a 410 with number 4 shot, that way they are mangled. Shot alot of them growning up with a 410, they were never mangled. Jersy Pig, I like to quarter them and fry them up with a little flower and then bake them for an hour at 300 in cream of mushroom soup throw in a couple of whole tators and you have a meal.
I hunt squirrels with a little .410 side by side I carry over my shoulder. The.410 will not reach to the top of the tall oaks but if you sit and wait it won't have to.
so many opinions! I disagree with a lot of the above.
There is no problem using a 12 guage, and I still say the .410 is for experts in its use and not for most of us.
You do *not* tear up game by using #4 or #6 shot. The opposite is true, with #8 or #7&1/2 you get denser shot patterns that tear up the game more at normal range and wimp out at longer range. #4,5, or 6 is correct shot size for squirrel.
As the article mentions, poor shot placement due to the squirrel moving when you shoot is really the problem. You can be pretty close, aim for the head, and get a pretty clean shot [maybe the less meaty front end in general will get too much shot]. But if that dude moves...
jersey pig, check out the link, available also by searching through message boards. Cleaning squirrels is there too.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/forums/-cook-book
why not try a 410? works good for me at close and long range
Squirrels have good red meat,sure glad I can use a .22 in where I live in Idaho.
that's it, i'm going squirrel hunting!
Jake....i have a 20 gauge and i use 6's for
BTW, one thing about this story is that it honestly reports that the two of them got two squirrels grand total. I find there are plenty of hunters who find it unbearable to think they might hunt squirrels and have to admit they only got one or even none. Not macho enough!
That, though, is just hunting. It ain't about filling the game bag all the time. If you are a true outdoorsman you still have a ball.
I stand by my first statement. I've had success with #4,#6,#8 and 7-1/2. 2-3/4" Shotshells in 12 ga.
I still think 7-1/2 is a good round and I've never tore up a squirrel usin it or any of the other ones and aimin for the head/chest.
and they All have gone the distance.
Flyer22...shutup
i love my pellet gun i got it 10 years ago ive killed more small game with it than any other gun. i also use a 22 or my 20 gauge when im going for grouse. on close shots for grouse i usually aim for the head and end up with very few bbs in the meat. the real challenge is rabbits and squirrels with a bow i have 4 rabbits and 3 squirrels so far this year with that and it really does not ruin the meat just kind splits it in half portions...
I have found that no. 4 shot with a full or mod. 20ga. has worked the best for me with squirrels, they have a tough hide and 4 shot has the punch without to much shot damage. i aim for the head/nose and i don't mangle them. I don't use a .22 because i want to be prepared if i run into a grouse (scarce now), bunny, or if in season, a state stocked pheasant along the edge of the woods. Now, one of my favorite spots(fed. refuge) doesn't allow lead for small game (i think silly) so i'll use no. 2 steel and keep my shots a little closer when i am there.
I also have taken head shots with a .22 rifle and a pellet gun, but it tears up the brains, which I concider just as good as the rest of the meat. My favorite for squirrel hunting is a 12 guage single shot NEF with modified choke and number 4 or 6 shot. I have also been surprised by a 410. Those little guns do a lot better shooting game than they do on paper. I have taken a running squirrel at nearly 30yrds by quickly pointing and shooting. People have also taken deer with them and I can see why. From my test, the 410 slug at 50 yrds is 2 inches high, but right on the money as far as windage. It should be good out to 75 yrds.
I agree with mike, I hate it when a wounded animal gets away, especially a quail, if they are wounded in any way they will die.
well how about a savage/stevens combo gun. in .410/.22 you got pretty close to the best of both woth that
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So your stuck using a shotgun, why not downsize to one suitable to the game your hunting.A lightweight SxS 20ga is more than enough gun for squirrel hunting.
flyer22: Actually, having an occasionally too-fast trigger finger is but one of thousands of faults I have (my family, friends, and coworkers gratuitously offer this information, often to complete strangers).
jamesti: I’ve never even tried to bark a squirrel over in PA, where I hunt small game occasionally (and where rimfires can be used, thank God), but it’s awesome that you’ve done so successfully. Good shooting.
too bad it's shotgun only. i learned when i first started hunting squirrels about barking them. if you can use a .22 you can shoot right next to their head when they are on the tree and the concussion kills them. i've actually done it. but as you said, you don't always get the ideal shot and good for you for not letting the wounded animal suffer.
Flyer22, he didn't shoot it out of greed (this time), he shot it because it was already wounded and he did not want it to languish in agony in the woods.
So flyer22, would you rather leave an animal to suffer if you don't have a clean second shot? We here at F&S should READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE BEFORE COMMENTING and for the most part everybody else does.
Jake....i have a 20 gauge and i use 6's for
7 1/2's is fine for such size game.The beauty behind the SxS is you can have 2 diffferent choke options, full for headshots on sitting squirrels and mod, for runners
that's it, i'm going squirrel hunting!
Why not hunt with a pellet gun? head shots only and they don't run off, you still have plenty of range too.
anybody have any suggestions or feedback for squirel eating? i have wanted to squirel hunt for a while now and have a good spot in the pine barrens here in jersey but haven't gone out because i don't know if i would eat what i killed and don't want to shoot it if i'm not cooking it. thanks in advance.
BTW, one thing about this story is that it honestly reports that the two of them got two squirrels grand total. I find there are plenty of hunters who find it unbearable to think they might hunt squirrels and have to admit they only got one or even none. Not macho enough!
That, though, is just hunting. It ain't about filling the game bag all the time. If you are a true outdoorsman you still have a ball.
It sucks that it is shotgun only. I have in the past hunted them well with both shotgun and .22. However, a good choice to go with is a air rifle. I have successfully hunted squirrel with an air rifle for years. One shot to the head = a clean kill. My current air rifle shoots at 1200 fps. Clean kill, no wasted meat, and more fun (it kind of takes you back to the good old days of your youth).
I have also killed rabbits with it as well. However, it is much harder to find a rabbit sitting still for a clean shot than a squirrel.
For a tree critter a good .410 would be plenty its squirrel not a grizz, or as rabbit said a pellet gun. flyer22 I would'nt be to quick to judge unless you want to be judged.
No. 6 shot for squirrel? I've used no.6's for turkeys! I think if a .22 isn't an option, go w/ 8's.
So what would be a good shot size with a 20ga? I haven't hunted in 14 years(deer), and want to get into squirrel/rabbit hunting.
Go with 7-1/2 or 8's you'll get your distance and less damage to meat.
I use 2-3/4 Remington or Federal Game loads with no issues. I've even used 4's and 6's with no issue.
That's using a modified choke on Bushy tails and Rabbit.
7-1/2 works reallly well.
Aim for head and you won't have issues with body shots.
Lead them a little when on the run like rabbit hunting.
Oh my freaking lord did I read the whole article.
I quote "But I do admit to occasionally having taken close shots purely out of choice—and GREED. After a long day in the field with nothing to show for it, it’s difficult to hold your fire on an animal that appears right in front of your gun, because waiting for it to move farther away may result in your not getting a shot off at all."
THAT WAS THE STATEMENT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
"...not getting a shot off at all" versus a hasty shot that will simply kill a squirrel and leave little left over.
I am not calling Mr. Toth an irresponsible hunter, of course not. I would never do that due to not knowing the man from Adam, and I am SURE that he is quite the opposite.
So why don't you read a little more into my post and into the last statements in the article before you rush to judgment.
And my "shame on you" statement was a little more sarcastic and playful minded than you give it credit for, my most sincere and heart felt apologies if you deemed it otherwise.
I agree with putting the animal out on the one that his buddy had shot previously....but obviously YOU did not read any further into what he said AFTER that.
I hunt squirrels with a little .410 side by side I carry over my shoulder. The.410 will not reach to the top of the tall oaks but if you sit and wait it won't have to.
so many opinions! I disagree with a lot of the above.
There is no problem using a 12 guage, and I still say the .410 is for experts in its use and not for most of us.
You do *not* tear up game by using #4 or #6 shot. The opposite is true, with #8 or #7&1/2 you get denser shot patterns that tear up the game more at normal range and wimp out at longer range. #4,5, or 6 is correct shot size for squirrel.
As the article mentions, poor shot placement due to the squirrel moving when you shoot is really the problem. You can be pretty close, aim for the head, and get a pretty clean shot [maybe the less meaty front end in general will get too much shot]. But if that dude moves...
jersey pig, check out the link, available also by searching through message boards. Cleaning squirrels is there too.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/forums/-cook-book
why not try a 410? works good for me at close and long range
I also have taken head shots with a .22 rifle and a pellet gun, but it tears up the brains, which I concider just as good as the rest of the meat. My favorite for squirrel hunting is a 12 guage single shot NEF with modified choke and number 4 or 6 shot. I have also been surprised by a 410. Those little guns do a lot better shooting game than they do on paper. I have taken a running squirrel at nearly 30yrds by quickly pointing and shooting. People have also taken deer with them and I can see why. From my test, the 410 slug at 50 yrds is 2 inches high, but right on the money as far as windage. It should be good out to 75 yrds.
I agree with mike, I hate it when a wounded animal gets away, especially a quail, if they are wounded in any way they will die.
I agree with idduckhntr Since it is shotgun only, why not go with a 410 with number 4 shot, that way they are mangled. Shot alot of them growning up with a 410, they were never mangled. Jersy Pig, I like to quarter them and fry them up with a little flower and then bake them for an hour at 300 in cream of mushroom soup throw in a couple of whole tators and you have a meal.
Squirrels have good red meat,sure glad I can use a .22 in where I live in Idaho.
i love my pellet gun i got it 10 years ago ive killed more small game with it than any other gun. i also use a 22 or my 20 gauge when im going for grouse. on close shots for grouse i usually aim for the head and end up with very few bbs in the meat. the real challenge is rabbits and squirrels with a bow i have 4 rabbits and 3 squirrels so far this year with that and it really does not ruin the meat just kind splits it in half portions...
I have found that no. 4 shot with a full or mod. 20ga. has worked the best for me with squirrels, they have a tough hide and 4 shot has the punch without to much shot damage. i aim for the head/nose and i don't mangle them. I don't use a .22 because i want to be prepared if i run into a grouse (scarce now), bunny, or if in season, a state stocked pheasant along the edge of the woods. Now, one of my favorite spots(fed. refuge) doesn't allow lead for small game (i think silly) so i'll use no. 2 steel and keep my shots a little closer when i am there.
well how about a savage/stevens combo gun. in .410/.22 you got pretty close to the best of both woth that
I stand by my first statement. I've had success with #4,#6,#8 and 7-1/2. 2-3/4" Shotshells in 12 ga.
I still think 7-1/2 is a good round and I've never tore up a squirrel usin it or any of the other ones and aimin for the head/chest.
and they All have gone the distance.
Flyer22...shutup
What really stinks is that it is shotgun only.
Tough to mangle game with a head shot from a .22 or .17.
To the comment about "mangling game":
How much was usable from the mangled squirrel, who has little meat on it as it is?
Squirrels and rabbit are about the only thing that I hunt well, and even I have come home without an animal because of the lack of a proper shot. Shame on you for killing an animal simply because you didn't want to come home empty handed. We here at F&S should be more responsible than that, and for the most part, are.
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