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December 17, 2009
Chad Love: A Tactical Side-by-Side Shotgun?
Sometimes, for reasons not entirely clear, I get warm fuzzy thoughts that we hunters and anglers - by dint of our rugged individualism, our pragmatism and our vast reserves of good, old-fashioned common sense - are somehow immune to the ever-changing winds of faddishness and gimmickry.
But then one simple little word brings me back to reality and makes me realize that we're still people, and as such we're just another demographic to be marketed to and manipulated by the merchants and hawkers of cool.
And that word is...TACTICAL. No other word in the outdoors marketing lexicon of recent years has been so bizarrely applied to so many products as this one has. I haven't yet seen Kevlar-woven tactical undies that stop bullets and sharts with equal aplomb, but I'm sure there's a factory somewhere in China that's ramping up production as I type.
And that's cool. If people want to dress up like SWAT team members and call hunting trips "missions,” far be from me to intrude on their fantasies. If people want their home defense firearms to have multiple rails for lasers, flashlights, grappling hooks, and barrel-mounted speakers that play famous movie tough-guy lines when you point your gun at intruders (You've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well do ya, punk?) well, all right. It's your castle. Defend it as you wish.
A rational person might say it's just a fad and like all fads it too, shall pass. Thing is, though, it's so not. Take this for example.
It's a new gun from Stoeger called the Double Defense (above), and it's (I'm not making this up) a tactical side-by-side shotgun for home defense. If you had told me last week that someone would actually conceive, design, manufacture and then offer for sale (with hopes of turning a profit) a side-by-side shotgun with ported barrels and not one but two picatinny rails for attaching tactical accessories, I'd still be waiting for the punchline to a joke, or the photoshopped picture.
But there it is in all its tactical glory, and I'm predicting right now that it's only a matter of time before I run into some guy quail hunting with one. Probably over a brace of pointing rottweilers or some other new and improved tactical dog breed. I think it's a silly idea that's a symptom of a silly marketing phenomenon that - like a zombie - just won't die. But maybe it won't die for a reason. Maybe the majority of people these days love the look and feel of black nylon webbing, polymer resins and proprietary, super-secret coatings. The annual SHOT show is coming up next month and it will be interesting to see whether the "tactical" market has grown or shrunk. Here's hoping for the latter...
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Ok, a novel shotgun.
If I don't hear the word "tactical" again, it will be too soon.
What are all these tactical things used for anyway, the upcoming zombie invasion of 2012?
I call first on the fist ever "tactical baseball bat" for
home defense! Come on gentlemen, step right up and place your bets for that one!
I prefer to call my expeditions "sorties."
This thing might be better for quail hunting. I imagine, after shooting this thing in the dark and being blinded and deafened by the ported muzzle blast, everyone, including the shooter, will be incapacitated until the authorities arrive, 20 minutes later. Might want to add a bayonet to the front of it, too.
One thing I think quite effective, though, is the use of a laser red dot - gives people the message real quick and makes targeting quite easy.
....this POS was designed as a bet on the golf course:
marketing exec #1: I bet it'll sell! 50 bucks says we will be on the cover of Soldier Of Fortune with it in 90 days!
Marketing exec #2: Sure! call it 'tactical'...all those leftovers in the warehouse....we can get rid of that overstock! I knew you were too good to be working for those Sham-Wow guys!
What in the hell is the sight for? Light yes, but -a sight- what the?? I'll stick with my Mossberg 500, only a few inches longer but 4 more rounds of 00 buck for the bad guys. Hee! Hee!
I saw a pic of this thing months ago. I guess Stoeger didn't want to get shut out of the "tacticool" market, so they took a coach gun and painted it black and stuck a couple of mounts on it.....
Hahahahahahahahahahah! Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
F&S is going to have to start a new thread for Zombie Guns fanatics in the hunting world.
I think it is kind of neat
What the h(*&*??? Yes, hard to beat a double with a light for home defense at 3am (KISS, keep it simple stupid!) But the rest.....
A sight??? On a gun made to shot buckshot at someone coming in your front door??? Ported barrels when you are in a situation where you are NOT going to feel/worry about recoil? Two picatinny rails??? What, wait, I know, mount an M3A scope onto one and a AN/PAS-13 night vision on the other! And anyone who knows anything about guns understands that black paint makes all a gun at 100% more accurate, have more firepower and turns it into not just a gun but a "weapon"!! Give me a break, send these people my way, I have a bridge, a car, and a large pile of cow manure out back to sell them........
Designed (an purchased) by someone who's experience with firearms is limited to the movies.....
I just don't see the point. I doubt the ported barrels will make the bang any more painful. Have you ever shot a gun inside without hearing protection. UNREAL LOUD!! The rest is ok on a pump or semi but all these attachments make it hard to swing like a bat if you miss on the first two shots! Oh well, some tactifool will buy it.
A buddy of mine attached a flashlight to his side-by-side years ago. With electic tape. Cheap, effective, removable.
mopedfredd, I bet this model will convert into a tactical baseball bat. Right after you empty both barrels and give it a flip...
I love utility side x sides. IowaGuy's right...KISS. The rails make this thing a bit of a farce. Lose them and I'd buy one. If they were thinking, they would've chambered it in 10ga. That would have been the icing on the cheesecake.
I can't... I can't begin to gather my thoughts on how wrong this feels.
I've always wanted a "rabbit-ears" coach gun, but not any picathingies.
The original modern tactical shotgun was the Winchester Model 12 trench gun. It had a bayonet mount and an extended magazine as I recall.
I can see someone wanting a tactical shotgun, but not a tactical side by side. Talk about your gadgetized monstrosity.
Anyhow, an ordinary Remington 870 without the rails, gps, rangefinder, flashlight, pizza oven, piano and National Weather Service receiver is as tactical as I would ever want. When those zombies start rolling down the streets, a flashlight is just going to let you know where they are.
Can't stop self... MUST buy one... need to protect wretched sgualer I live in because I spend all my money on this CRAP...
not to say that a tactical side by side isnt one of the more ridiculous things out there, it is, but in defense of some of the tactical stuff out there i would like point out a couple things, a. there is a lot of new tactical or military inspired gear out there that is just as if not more practical than traditional shooting/hunting gear, consider modern thermal base layers, synthetic stocks, close range sights (red dot, holo, etc.) for deer and turkeys and so on, if a "sniper" style rifle shoots better and is more reliable than a traditional one give me the "sniper" its just aesthetics i personally care more about performance. and b. isnt it a little hypocritical to blast a tactical firearm for being unpractical while drooling over a traditional styled firearm of the same or higher price when neither firearm actually boosts practicality its just a matter of taste, tactical or traditional.
Stoegers answer to a question nobody asked....
If you ever have to shoot an intruder there will be an investigation. Do you want the firearm to look like you were hoping someone was going to break in, or look like you just grabbed your trusty duck gun?
I'd still buy it
Guys,guys; not to worry! Next time you take the stagecoach from Dodge City to wherever, you can rest easy knowing the guy riding shotgun is well prepared. Just imagine him saying "hmmm, looks like them James boys at 60 meters and closing fast!"
Then again, maybe not so much!
In a word: RIDICULOUS!
Now I've seen everything......a Picatinny rail on a shotgun? And two no less! Imagine your forward hand slipping on a 4 dram equivalent load of buckshot? I'll bet that abrading rail more than hurts! I always wondered, just how did our father's and grandfather's "tactically" handle all those bad guys years ago without all this tactical gadgetry??
Imagine the gasps from the jury when the prosecutor holds this above his head with an evidence tag affixed and proclaims to the jury; "just look at the weapon this closet-survivalist was waiting to use on poor Eddie DeCrook when he entered that home on that fateful night!"
PS - SHARKFIN, love the word "tactifool."
This whole home defence garbage is just more proof of the very sad direction American culture is headed. Actually, it's more scary than sad. A recent question in the Answers section asked if any of us were planning on attending the big outdoors/gun shows in the off-season. Man, I gave up on those things a LONG time ago. At least the ones in US. My brother dragged me to one in Montana two years ago and I found it disturbing. The place was filled with zombie-phobe survivalist vigilante nuts. Now, the world is full of wierd people. We see them everywhere, especially internet cafes (hmmm ... note to self to check computer useage). But I'm talking literally hundreds of whackos all in the same room spouting the same crazy jibberish. And to think they all have a basement full of guns and ammo (plus a few cases of stale-dated 1960s bomb shelter biscuits). It sent shivers up my spine. I had to get out of there! And here we see the business sector actually catering to, if not creating, this deadly craziness. Stoeger can kiss my butt goodbye (but I always thought their stuff was junky anyway). I don't have a problem with coprorations marketing whatever sells. I have a big problem with them marketing deadly paranoia. That's just terrorism in a sheep's clothing. What can be done about it? Boy, that is a tough one. This is a cultural problem and it can't be cured with any kind of regulations. I'll wager it won't be "cured" without some kind of national calamity that will pale Oklahoma City by comparison. Very sad and scary. But hey, in the meantime fueling the paranoia keeps people working, right? $$$$
It's for (Space) Cowboy Action Shooting. Duh.
Ontario Honker, excellent comment and observation!
Imagine the scare would be shooting black powder loads!
A solution looking for a problem.
very practical if u live in a war zone and have trouble with aiming! There might be a market for these when the looting starts in twenty-twelve.
Jaaaaysus ,.. Ontairo Honker ,..
Just read your last ,.. took me a couple minutes to stop laughing,..
Ya Ya ,.
Not long ago a frined of mine who was not "in " and did not see combat suggested I go with him to some paint ball ( para-military ) sort of place where grown men run around,a.prescribed area,( many in full military camo ) play army and shoot one another with paint ball guns.To me very remenicient of cowboys and indians.
Then ,. go home " wash off the war " err uh paint ball hits and have a beer . I politly declined
It does keeps people working however which I am all for and ,who'so say what " fun " actually is .
Funny ..but in sad sort of way too .
Cause anyome who;s ever been shot at does not consider it fun,.. well anyone sane that is.
In the years following the "Vietnam conflict" US solders were actually vilified in some venues ,. but then a few years later
something of a minor increase in the "soldier perception" took place ,.
This due in part to a lotta TV shows depicting the hero always with flash backs.
Which went to friends lost,. heroic efforts and self sacrifice in the jungle.
which resulted in one hell of a lot of surplus m69 field jackets and arctic snorkel parkas on display.
Especially by those on college campuses that had a cold winter season .
In these times tactical toothpicks will sell well to a certainage group who have not spent time in the military and have not had the distict yet prfoundly annoying experiance of some one trying to take their life for real.
Thus I think it somewhat canny on Stoegers part to market to that demographic.
But it also points up what that dempgraphic obviously does not know.
Which is,. in a (combat ) or home defence situation you want enough fire power to go on the offence if possible, and a two shooter is less likley to get that done.
My personal primary home defence cannons do not shoot twice ,. they shoot six times ,. they are short light and dead relaiable,..
They are a pair of 870 20 ga pumps placed in "strategic places .along with extra ammo for each ( #2 lead shot & 00 buck)
They well mess up anything short of a sasquatch ,.. and still not kill the neigbors dog (or the neighbor) after passing through the bad guy and the wall.
Of course thee are other tactical measures taken which I will decline to describe short of saying.
The measures in place are legal and very lethal if the occasion ever arrises where unexpected violence at close quarters may be intended toward me or mine.
And Man oh man I gotta say
That is one butt ugly shotgun ,. sporting use ??
,.low light varmint hunting in urban jungle maybe ?
correction they shoot 5 times
No bayonet? One for each barrel!
Well I hafta say that's is definitely thinking outside the box. What box is anyone's guess.
The closest thing I will come to a tactical shotgun is my Mossberg 500 I used for police work. It has fold down rifle sights, a cylinder bore, and holds 8, 23/4" shotgun shells. No rib, no light, no lasers. It does shoot slugs pretty good at 50 yards making it good for deer hunting in the swamp.
Dang, Yohan. You must be on your meds today. That was a spot-on post if I ever read one! I am one of those vilified Vietnam vets that is a bit too old to play paintball and other "tactical" games. Those tactical wankers that you see at the gun shows really crack me up. As far as double guns go, that is the wife's go-to piece for intruders, etc. Both barrels of the Stevens 311 20 gauge are loaded with #3 buckshot. Simple and probably very effective.
I think that's designed for those big city sewer rats, you know these 35 pounders in places like New York or Chicago.
I wouldn't mind having one of those. It looks intimidating.
Kinda reminds me of a Rem M760 in .223, with parkerizing and a 20 round mag. I have seen this same gun at local show now for a couple of years. I asked the proprietor who thought up of that, he said its a TACTICAL weapon. Your article is spot on.
"The place was filled with zombie-phobe survivalist vigilante nuts."
You say that like you think it's a bad thing.
"And to think they all have a basement full of guns and ammo..."
You say that like it's a bad thing. Haven't you seen "Tremors"?
"That's just terrorism in a sheep's clothing."
Now yer talking! (about the Copenhagen treaty).
I can just picture some tactical gun fanatic saying,"Dude this gun is so awesome, it's even got a picatinny rail one its picatinny rail!"
Yes I'm drunk and I have a barrel for each one of you!
Damn-
Yo Yo is either almost making sense, or I have had enough Ezra and 7 to understand him!!
Tactical Side-by-Side? I just don't see this POS replacing my LH 1100 with the short barrel. Or even the .41 mag.
for 11 years i have dealt with shotguns at work and pointed them at people on a semi regular basis in the course of my duty that is. the first "tactical" shotgun i used was a remington 870 wingmaster with a wooden stock, 24 inch barrel, and a standard magazine (4 rounds), and bead sight. then we upgarded to 11-87's with poly stocks and a 6 round mag, still have the bead sight. i can assure you that with either of these, without the gimmicks and toys, people become very compliant and tend to do what you say. don't see the need for all the extra stuff to have to worry about when the adrenaline is running.
When you think that you have seen it all there is another stupid idea poping up. Cold Steel offers a home defense baseball bat when I seen that I thought it was top of the list stupid but this is right up there with that. I live on the outskirts of a very small town and dont really have to worry about home invaders. But if I did I could deter them just as easy with my Ruger 6 shot revolver.
If it came with free green face paint....I might be tempted.
Hope to get out for a grouse mission...sortie ....penatration and extraction......Nuts.
The "tactical" side by side reminds me of my deer gun. I cut the barrel on a 12 ga Ithaca Super Single down to 22 inches and had a scope mount added by the gunsmith for a Weaver 1.5 shotgun scope I got for the purpose.
However,I don't like plastic stocks and I didn't add any bayonet mounts or pickatinny rail so it ain't "tactical".
My reasoning was that the Ithaca don't have no Mossberg rattle (my other option) and I feel if I get a round off, I'm only gonna get one shot anyway. It has an external hammer that I can set silently and that is important to me. Besides my Ithaca is a lot lighter than my Mossberg 500.
I have seen pickatinny rails on an N.E.F. handirifle, If anybody wants to goof on the notion of a single shot "tactical".
The obscenity filter is weird. It suggested my last posting contained obscene words. After puzzling over for it for a few minutes I realized I had written that My Ithaca has an external hammer that I can "kock" quietly. I guess nobody ever should refer to roosters in this blog or somebody might think they are referring to the male appendage.
Maybe some of us need to lighten up. To me, this "tactical" side-by-side looks like a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the "tactical" craxe. A satirical side-by-side, if you will. If I were rolling in discretional funds, I might want one as a fun gun to take to the range, just to see the local Rambos react to it.
I prefer my 870!
Stoeger can make a pink version for the laydese! Would it still be "tactical" in pink?
Don't get me wrong...I prefer wood.
Yohan and some others make a good point about the evolution of so called "tactical" gear marketed to civilians with no military experience or training. Individuals who wouldn't submit for an instant to the discipline of professionals under arms eagerly purchase black "tactical" gear that no sensible professional would ever waste time on. "Tactical" .22lr rifles for instance. They may be fun, and they would certainly function if one had to resort to such in a dire situation, but anybody in his (or her) right mind would choose something other than a "tactical" .22lr if expecting violent visitors. (I like .45acp myself). So "tactical" actually is more of a fashion statement, especially when such toys are acquired by individuals with facetious notions of combat instilled by Hollywood rather than the harsh dirty and brutal realm that violence really is. I do occasionally do paintball, because I see it as training, you can't practically get any other way, but I am a martial artist as well as a veteran, so life is training and training is life, especially when the poop hits the air impeller and you need the trained reflexes to handle the emergency.
But most overweight complacent Americans have little stomach for any sort of training regimin and would rather the appearance than the substance. I'd rather not look so obviously martial, I've been there before and I prefer peace (the dress code is easier to get along with for one), so no thank you to the fanciful "tactical" stuff. I used to have a Charter Arms AR-7 survival rifle with a black plastic stock but I got rid of it years ago and it was as close as I'd ever care to get with the "tactical" theme. I'd much rather fake people out by looking ordinary, then they are more likely to underestimate my abilities (such as they are).
I was on the road today and stopped in a outdoor/guns/pawn/etc shop in Middle GA today and saw one of these in real life. What a colossal POS..... The guys behind the counter all pointed (in unison) towards the boss' office when I asked "Who ordered that?"
They all had this look on their faces like they were good at selling stuff, but this one was gonna be a challenge.
They should have put a skeletonised stock and a pistol grip on it.
cough, cough...
You guys are right about the "tactical" wannabees.
I recently went to my first really huge gun show in 7 years, and the aisles were mostly AR-15 knock-offs, black plastic pistols, and various black accessories.
I had a pretty rough time finding much wood, or bolt-action pieces.
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The obscenity filter is weird. It suggested my last posting contained obscene words. After puzzling over for it for a few minutes I realized I had written that My Ithaca has an external hammer that I can "kock" quietly. I guess nobody ever should refer to roosters in this blog or somebody might think they are referring to the male appendage.
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This whole home defence garbage is just more proof of the very sad direction American culture is headed. Actually, it's more scary than sad. A recent question in the Answers section asked if any of us were planning on attending the big outdoors/gun shows in the off-season. Man, I gave up on those things a LONG time ago. At least the ones in US. My brother dragged me to one in Montana two years ago and I found it disturbing. The place was filled with zombie-phobe survivalist vigilante nuts. Now, the world is full of wierd people. We see them everywhere, especially internet cafes (hmmm ... note to self to check computer useage). But I'm talking literally hundreds of whackos all in the same room spouting the same crazy jibberish. And to think they all have a basement full of guns and ammo (plus a few cases of stale-dated 1960s bomb shelter biscuits). It sent shivers up my spine. I had to get out of there! And here we see the business sector actually catering to, if not creating, this deadly craziness. Stoeger can kiss my butt goodbye (but I always thought their stuff was junky anyway). I don't have a problem with coprorations marketing whatever sells. I have a big problem with them marketing deadly paranoia. That's just terrorism in a sheep's clothing. What can be done about it? Boy, that is a tough one. This is a cultural problem and it can't be cured with any kind of regulations. I'll wager it won't be "cured" without some kind of national calamity that will pale Oklahoma City by comparison. Very sad and scary. But hey, in the meantime fueling the paranoia keeps people working, right? $$$$
Ok, a novel shotgun.
If I don't hear the word "tactical" again, it will be too soon.
What are all these tactical things used for anyway, the upcoming zombie invasion of 2012?
Stoegers answer to a question nobody asked....
I prefer to call my expeditions "sorties."
This thing might be better for quail hunting. I imagine, after shooting this thing in the dark and being blinded and deafened by the ported muzzle blast, everyone, including the shooter, will be incapacitated until the authorities arrive, 20 minutes later. Might want to add a bayonet to the front of it, too.
One thing I think quite effective, though, is the use of a laser red dot - gives people the message real quick and makes targeting quite easy.
....this POS was designed as a bet on the golf course:
marketing exec #1: I bet it'll sell! 50 bucks says we will be on the cover of Soldier Of Fortune with it in 90 days!
Marketing exec #2: Sure! call it 'tactical'...all those leftovers in the warehouse....we can get rid of that overstock! I knew you were too good to be working for those Sham-Wow guys!
What in the hell is the sight for? Light yes, but -a sight- what the?? I'll stick with my Mossberg 500, only a few inches longer but 4 more rounds of 00 buck for the bad guys. Hee! Hee!
F&S is going to have to start a new thread for Zombie Guns fanatics in the hunting world.
The original modern tactical shotgun was the Winchester Model 12 trench gun. It had a bayonet mount and an extended magazine as I recall.
I can see someone wanting a tactical shotgun, but not a tactical side by side. Talk about your gadgetized monstrosity.
Anyhow, an ordinary Remington 870 without the rails, gps, rangefinder, flashlight, pizza oven, piano and National Weather Service receiver is as tactical as I would ever want. When those zombies start rolling down the streets, a flashlight is just going to let you know where they are.
I call first on the fist ever "tactical baseball bat" for
home defense! Come on gentlemen, step right up and place your bets for that one!
I think it is kind of neat
I love utility side x sides. IowaGuy's right...KISS. The rails make this thing a bit of a farce. Lose them and I'd buy one. If they were thinking, they would've chambered it in 10ga. That would have been the icing on the cheesecake.
I just don't see the point. I doubt the ported barrels will make the bang any more painful. Have you ever shot a gun inside without hearing protection. UNREAL LOUD!! The rest is ok on a pump or semi but all these attachments make it hard to swing like a bat if you miss on the first two shots! Oh well, some tactifool will buy it.
Can't stop self... MUST buy one... need to protect wretched sgualer I live in because I spend all my money on this CRAP...
If you ever have to shoot an intruder there will be an investigation. Do you want the firearm to look like you were hoping someone was going to break in, or look like you just grabbed your trusty duck gun?
Guys,guys; not to worry! Next time you take the stagecoach from Dodge City to wherever, you can rest easy knowing the guy riding shotgun is well prepared. Just imagine him saying "hmmm, looks like them James boys at 60 meters and closing fast!"
Then again, maybe not so much!
Now I've seen everything......a Picatinny rail on a shotgun? And two no less! Imagine your forward hand slipping on a 4 dram equivalent load of buckshot? I'll bet that abrading rail more than hurts! I always wondered, just how did our father's and grandfather's "tactically" handle all those bad guys years ago without all this tactical gadgetry??
Imagine the gasps from the jury when the prosecutor holds this above his head with an evidence tag affixed and proclaims to the jury; "just look at the weapon this closet-survivalist was waiting to use on poor Eddie DeCrook when he entered that home on that fateful night!"
PS - SHARKFIN, love the word "tactifool."
It's for (Space) Cowboy Action Shooting. Duh.
A solution looking for a problem.
Jaaaaysus ,.. Ontairo Honker ,..
Just read your last ,.. took me a couple minutes to stop laughing,..
Ya Ya ,.
Not long ago a frined of mine who was not "in " and did not see combat suggested I go with him to some paint ball ( para-military ) sort of place where grown men run around,a.prescribed area,( many in full military camo ) play army and shoot one another with paint ball guns.To me very remenicient of cowboys and indians.
Then ,. go home " wash off the war " err uh paint ball hits and have a beer . I politly declined
It does keeps people working however which I am all for and ,who'so say what " fun " actually is .
Funny ..but in sad sort of way too .
Cause anyome who;s ever been shot at does not consider it fun,.. well anyone sane that is.
In the years following the "Vietnam conflict" US solders were actually vilified in some venues ,. but then a few years later
something of a minor increase in the "soldier perception" took place ,.
This due in part to a lotta TV shows depicting the hero always with flash backs.
Which went to friends lost,. heroic efforts and self sacrifice in the jungle.
which resulted in one hell of a lot of surplus m69 field jackets and arctic snorkel parkas on display.
Especially by those on college campuses that had a cold winter season .
In these times tactical toothpicks will sell well to a certainage group who have not spent time in the military and have not had the distict yet prfoundly annoying experiance of some one trying to take their life for real.
Thus I think it somewhat canny on Stoegers part to market to that demographic.
But it also points up what that dempgraphic obviously does not know.
Which is,. in a (combat ) or home defence situation you want enough fire power to go on the offence if possible, and a two shooter is less likley to get that done.
My personal primary home defence cannons do not shoot twice ,. they shoot six times ,. they are short light and dead relaiable,..
They are a pair of 870 20 ga pumps placed in "strategic places .along with extra ammo for each ( #2 lead shot & 00 buck)
They well mess up anything short of a sasquatch ,.. and still not kill the neigbors dog (or the neighbor) after passing through the bad guy and the wall.
Of course thee are other tactical measures taken which I will decline to describe short of saying.
The measures in place are legal and very lethal if the occasion ever arrises where unexpected violence at close quarters may be intended toward me or mine.
And Man oh man I gotta say
That is one butt ugly shotgun ,. sporting use ??
,.low light varmint hunting in urban jungle maybe ?
I saw a pic of this thing months ago. I guess Stoeger didn't want to get shut out of the "tacticool" market, so they took a coach gun and painted it black and stuck a couple of mounts on it.....
Hahahahahahahahahahah! Sorry, I couldn't help myself...
What the h(*&*??? Yes, hard to beat a double with a light for home defense at 3am (KISS, keep it simple stupid!) But the rest.....
A sight??? On a gun made to shot buckshot at someone coming in your front door??? Ported barrels when you are in a situation where you are NOT going to feel/worry about recoil? Two picatinny rails??? What, wait, I know, mount an M3A scope onto one and a AN/PAS-13 night vision on the other! And anyone who knows anything about guns understands that black paint makes all a gun at 100% more accurate, have more firepower and turns it into not just a gun but a "weapon"!! Give me a break, send these people my way, I have a bridge, a car, and a large pile of cow manure out back to sell them........
Designed (an purchased) by someone who's experience with firearms is limited to the movies.....
A buddy of mine attached a flashlight to his side-by-side years ago. With electic tape. Cheap, effective, removable.
mopedfredd, I bet this model will convert into a tactical baseball bat. Right after you empty both barrels and give it a flip...
I can't... I can't begin to gather my thoughts on how wrong this feels.
I've always wanted a "rabbit-ears" coach gun, but not any picathingies.
not to say that a tactical side by side isnt one of the more ridiculous things out there, it is, but in defense of some of the tactical stuff out there i would like point out a couple things, a. there is a lot of new tactical or military inspired gear out there that is just as if not more practical than traditional shooting/hunting gear, consider modern thermal base layers, synthetic stocks, close range sights (red dot, holo, etc.) for deer and turkeys and so on, if a "sniper" style rifle shoots better and is more reliable than a traditional one give me the "sniper" its just aesthetics i personally care more about performance. and b. isnt it a little hypocritical to blast a tactical firearm for being unpractical while drooling over a traditional styled firearm of the same or higher price when neither firearm actually boosts practicality its just a matter of taste, tactical or traditional.
Ontario Honker, excellent comment and observation!
Imagine the scare would be shooting black powder loads!
Dang, Yohan. You must be on your meds today. That was a spot-on post if I ever read one! I am one of those vilified Vietnam vets that is a bit too old to play paintball and other "tactical" games. Those tactical wankers that you see at the gun shows really crack me up. As far as double guns go, that is the wife's go-to piece for intruders, etc. Both barrels of the Stevens 311 20 gauge are loaded with #3 buckshot. Simple and probably very effective.
for 11 years i have dealt with shotguns at work and pointed them at people on a semi regular basis in the course of my duty that is. the first "tactical" shotgun i used was a remington 870 wingmaster with a wooden stock, 24 inch barrel, and a standard magazine (4 rounds), and bead sight. then we upgarded to 11-87's with poly stocks and a 6 round mag, still have the bead sight. i can assure you that with either of these, without the gimmicks and toys, people become very compliant and tend to do what you say. don't see the need for all the extra stuff to have to worry about when the adrenaline is running.
I'd still buy it
In a word: RIDICULOUS!
very practical if u live in a war zone and have trouble with aiming! There might be a market for these when the looting starts in twenty-twelve.
correction they shoot 5 times
No bayonet? One for each barrel!
Well I hafta say that's is definitely thinking outside the box. What box is anyone's guess.
The closest thing I will come to a tactical shotgun is my Mossberg 500 I used for police work. It has fold down rifle sights, a cylinder bore, and holds 8, 23/4" shotgun shells. No rib, no light, no lasers. It does shoot slugs pretty good at 50 yards making it good for deer hunting in the swamp.
I think that's designed for those big city sewer rats, you know these 35 pounders in places like New York or Chicago.
I wouldn't mind having one of those. It looks intimidating.
Kinda reminds me of a Rem M760 in .223, with parkerizing and a 20 round mag. I have seen this same gun at local show now for a couple of years. I asked the proprietor who thought up of that, he said its a TACTICAL weapon. Your article is spot on.
"The place was filled with zombie-phobe survivalist vigilante nuts."
You say that like you think it's a bad thing.
"And to think they all have a basement full of guns and ammo..."
You say that like it's a bad thing. Haven't you seen "Tremors"?
"That's just terrorism in a sheep's clothing."
Now yer talking! (about the Copenhagen treaty).
I can just picture some tactical gun fanatic saying,"Dude this gun is so awesome, it's even got a picatinny rail one its picatinny rail!"
Yes I'm drunk and I have a barrel for each one of you!
Damn-
Yo Yo is either almost making sense, or I have had enough Ezra and 7 to understand him!!
Tactical Side-by-Side? I just don't see this POS replacing my LH 1100 with the short barrel. Or even the .41 mag.
When you think that you have seen it all there is another stupid idea poping up. Cold Steel offers a home defense baseball bat when I seen that I thought it was top of the list stupid but this is right up there with that. I live on the outskirts of a very small town and dont really have to worry about home invaders. But if I did I could deter them just as easy with my Ruger 6 shot revolver.
If it came with free green face paint....I might be tempted.
Hope to get out for a grouse mission...sortie ....penatration and extraction......Nuts.
The obscenity filter is weird. It suggested my last posting contained obscene words. After puzzling over for it for a few minutes I realized I had written that My Ithaca has an external hammer that I can "kock" quietly. I guess nobody ever should refer to roosters in this blog or somebody might think they are referring to the male appendage.
Maybe some of us need to lighten up. To me, this "tactical" side-by-side looks like a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the "tactical" craxe. A satirical side-by-side, if you will. If I were rolling in discretional funds, I might want one as a fun gun to take to the range, just to see the local Rambos react to it.
I was on the road today and stopped in a outdoor/guns/pawn/etc shop in Middle GA today and saw one of these in real life. What a colossal POS..... The guys behind the counter all pointed (in unison) towards the boss' office when I asked "Who ordered that?"
They all had this look on their faces like they were good at selling stuff, but this one was gonna be a challenge.
They should have put a skeletonised stock and a pistol grip on it.
cough, cough...
I prefer my 870!
Yohan and some others make a good point about the evolution of so called "tactical" gear marketed to civilians with no military experience or training. Individuals who wouldn't submit for an instant to the discipline of professionals under arms eagerly purchase black "tactical" gear that no sensible professional would ever waste time on. "Tactical" .22lr rifles for instance. They may be fun, and they would certainly function if one had to resort to such in a dire situation, but anybody in his (or her) right mind would choose something other than a "tactical" .22lr if expecting violent visitors. (I like .45acp myself). So "tactical" actually is more of a fashion statement, especially when such toys are acquired by individuals with facetious notions of combat instilled by Hollywood rather than the harsh dirty and brutal realm that violence really is. I do occasionally do paintball, because I see it as training, you can't practically get any other way, but I am a martial artist as well as a veteran, so life is training and training is life, especially when the poop hits the air impeller and you need the trained reflexes to handle the emergency.
But most overweight complacent Americans have little stomach for any sort of training regimin and would rather the appearance than the substance. I'd rather not look so obviously martial, I've been there before and I prefer peace (the dress code is easier to get along with for one), so no thank you to the fanciful "tactical" stuff. I used to have a Charter Arms AR-7 survival rifle with a black plastic stock but I got rid of it years ago and it was as close as I'd ever care to get with the "tactical" theme. I'd much rather fake people out by looking ordinary, then they are more likely to underestimate my abilities (such as they are).
You guys are right about the "tactical" wannabees.
I recently went to my first really huge gun show in 7 years, and the aisles were mostly AR-15 knock-offs, black plastic pistols, and various black accessories.
I had a pretty rough time finding much wood, or bolt-action pieces.
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The obscenity filter is weird. It suggested my last posting contained obscene words. After puzzling over for it for a few minutes I realized I had written that My Ithaca has an external hammer that I can "kock" quietly. I guess nobody ever should refer to roosters in this blog or somebody might think they are referring to the male appendage.
The "tactical" side by side reminds me of my deer gun. I cut the barrel on a 12 ga Ithaca Super Single down to 22 inches and had a scope mount added by the gunsmith for a Weaver 1.5 shotgun scope I got for the purpose.
However,I don't like plastic stocks and I didn't add any bayonet mounts or pickatinny rail so it ain't "tactical".
My reasoning was that the Ithaca don't have no Mossberg rattle (my other option) and I feel if I get a round off, I'm only gonna get one shot anyway. It has an external hammer that I can set silently and that is important to me. Besides my Ithaca is a lot lighter than my Mossberg 500.
I have seen pickatinny rails on an N.E.F. handirifle, If anybody wants to goof on the notion of a single shot "tactical".
Stoeger can make a pink version for the laydese! Would it still be "tactical" in pink?
Don't get me wrong...I prefer wood.
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