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December 07, 2009

Pro Clinic: Your Biggest Dog Training Mistakes

By David DiBenedetto

I’ve made no secret of the fact that I’m a true amateur when it comes to gun-dog training. In the last 10 months I’ve learned a hell of a lot, but I’d love to be able to rewind the clock a bit and correct my mistakes—which are legion. No such luck. But if you’re just starting out, I asked three highly regarded gun-dog experts the most common mistakes amateur trainers make with their new pups. Here’s what they had to say:

My choice would cover those training pointers, flushers, and retrievers. Folks try to train without using birds. It does not work out. Wild birds are better, but pen raised and pigeons will do the job. —Steve Snell, Owner of Gun Dog Supply

Not following through, usually due to lack of knowledge and experience. The dog will act up and the owner will let the dog get away with not complying with a command. They don't know how to get the correction or don't think it will matter. An example would be delivery to hand. Often the dog will drop the bumper or bird on the ground and the handler, not knowing how to get the correction, will pick the bird up themselves rather than teach the pup to put it in their hand. —Pam Kadlec of Just Ducky Kennels and author of Retriever Training For Spaniels

Most amateurs don’t begin with the end in mind because they’re not sure what they want from a dog in two years. There are a number of things they need to decide before they begin training, but one of the most important is what training methodology they want to use? Dogs are creatures of habit and switching from one methodology to another just confuses them. You have to link from one building block to the next. Get focused and be consistent. —Mike Stewart of Wildrose Kennels, home to Ducks Unlimited’s mascots, Deke and Drake.

Well, I don’t know about you, but I’m pretty much guilty of the above sins. Thank goodness I have a dog that makes me look smarter than I am. Any of you made these same mistakes, or have others that you'd like to add to the list? Let’s hear them.

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from Quackwacker wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

Guilty as charged!

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I don't have the luxury of being able to use live domestic birds for training. Nor does anyone I know. But I still have managed to get all my pups retrieving and hunting well at amazing early ages (three to five months). I'm not too fussy and I'm patient about ironing out one issue at a time. Some pups have been good at retrieving to hand and some not so. Eventually, after dealing with a few rowdy wounded birds, they'll get the hang of it. I try to focus on completing one thing well and move on to the next challenge as Mike indicated. As you probably recall, I have been a bit sloppy about the dogs breaking when I shoot, but I've never been too strict about that as long as they will break it off and return when called. Anyway, I have found that as they get more mature my dogs have naturally tended to stop breaking after a shot unless the bird drops. Bottom line is I'm not particularly interested in having a robot field trial hunting dog. I can tolerate some minor indiscretions if the dog is having a good time and we don't lose any birds. And finally, I do not believe that a pup should be kept from the field until it's completely "trained." Get them to work as soon as it's safe to do so and work out the problems by trial and error on the job.

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from Blitz wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I have to agree with Snell's tip. Got burned on that one.

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from Brittle wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

haha guilty of some of those with my lab

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

Ontario-- I'm with you on getting out into the field, as evidence by the fact that Pritch and I plan to be in a duck swamp this weekend. -D

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from kelmitch wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I bought homers,rolers,and pheasant to train with put together a couple of lofts have way under the cost of getting a dog to a pro for one month($500-700+cost of birds here in N.Y.is the going rate).I have under 500 into all of it but here in N.Y.wild bird numbers are down compared to past years in my hunting areas and NY pheasant hunting stocking programs have almost closed.So keeping my springer on birds requires the use of buying domestic birds.Next year there will be more time and funds for trips to better hunting(get him trained first).

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from bjohnston wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I learned the hard way that bumpers alone just won't work. Gotta have the real thing.

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from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I wish I had one.

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from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

No,I mean to say I wish I had just ONE.If I were to share one[two]. That would be when the oldest brit was 5 months,I was working on a natural retiever.I could throw anything and he would bring it back to hand.Until one careless throw over the tall grass and into the retention pond.He was ahead of me and moving fast,he broke through the grass and was into that cold December water.That was the last day he ever put anything in my hand and It has taken three years for him to take to the water on his own.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Interesting story, Robert. I have to say I was surprised. But I think that's because I've always only dealt with retrievers. Seems like there's nothing that can dampen their instinct to bring it back. Did the dog continue to retrieve but not bring it to hand, or did it just stop retrieving? My first lab wouldn't take to the water until well after she was a year old and there was no premature dunking to turn her off. Guess you just never know.

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Robert, That's a very telling story. Nearly had the same thing happen to me when Pritch took a dunking in a backyard pool at night (thankfully it was warm...Was worried sick she'd be afraid of water but a few weeks later I introduced her the proper way and she took to it like a fish. But you never know. Thanks for sharing...here's what happened to me.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/06/video-getting-pup-ta...

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from kelmitch wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

-15 Here in NY with wind chill today.Dave get us some pictures of your hunt Wood Ducks should make a great picture great looking bird.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Here in NW Ontario it was -22 C yesterday afternoon WITHOUT the windchill. And it was blowing a bit. I'm still walking the dogs every day a mile or two but it's tough. Doesn't bother them.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

I was worried about my Lab when he was a pup because he did not take to the water like my previous Lab or our Golden. So I did not really force the issue. When I started wading marsh ponds, he got the idea real fast and since then he gets in the water way too often at times. He still does not like to jump off the dock whereas the Golden should have been a contestant on "Air Dog". He will swim in ice and slush to get a bird! Just not to play....

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from Quackwacker wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

I paid $50 for this dog and three months ago he didnt know how to swim. Would put his head down and go just kinda sat there and dog paddled. But he has learned that swimming is fun!

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from kelmitch wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Our temp.just dropped from 60 one day last week to -11 for the low without the wind chill.Training will slow a little but want to get the dog conditioned to the cold first dont want no muscles pulled.One of my more memorable hunts was a rooster on the last day in the snow on a very chilly day but that was another springer of mine many years ago.We still train at least three days a week at this time.Still hope to get in ruffed grouse and rabbit.My dog is still just over one year not too much older than Pritch I want training and hunting to be a good experience not him wanting to get out of the cold dont want no mistakes made want to duck hunt next year with him my team.The goal this year was to set the foundation,formal field training,knowing all voice,wistle,and hand commands.I wanted to be able to hunt shoot the fowl and have the pup retrieve and we have made it and then some.I will need help from you duck hunters for next season.

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Ontario and Kelmitch-- You guys are making my hunt tomorrow (32 degrees at 6 am) feel like a trip to the Bahamas....

Quack-- Your dog is looking good. Nice work.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I don't have the luxury of being able to use live domestic birds for training. Nor does anyone I know. But I still have managed to get all my pups retrieving and hunting well at amazing early ages (three to five months). I'm not too fussy and I'm patient about ironing out one issue at a time. Some pups have been good at retrieving to hand and some not so. Eventually, after dealing with a few rowdy wounded birds, they'll get the hang of it. I try to focus on completing one thing well and move on to the next challenge as Mike indicated. As you probably recall, I have been a bit sloppy about the dogs breaking when I shoot, but I've never been too strict about that as long as they will break it off and return when called. Anyway, I have found that as they get more mature my dogs have naturally tended to stop breaking after a shot unless the bird drops. Bottom line is I'm not particularly interested in having a robot field trial hunting dog. I can tolerate some minor indiscretions if the dog is having a good time and we don't lose any birds. And finally, I do not believe that a pup should be kept from the field until it's completely "trained." Get them to work as soon as it's safe to do so and work out the problems by trial and error on the job.

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from Quackwacker wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

Guilty as charged!

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from Blitz wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I have to agree with Snell's tip. Got burned on that one.

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from Brittle wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

haha guilty of some of those with my lab

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

Ontario-- I'm with you on getting out into the field, as evidence by the fact that Pritch and I plan to be in a duck swamp this weekend. -D

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from kelmitch wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I bought homers,rolers,and pheasant to train with put together a couple of lofts have way under the cost of getting a dog to a pro for one month($500-700+cost of birds here in N.Y.is the going rate).I have under 500 into all of it but here in N.Y.wild bird numbers are down compared to past years in my hunting areas and NY pheasant hunting stocking programs have almost closed.So keeping my springer on birds requires the use of buying domestic birds.Next year there will be more time and funds for trips to better hunting(get him trained first).

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

No,I mean to say I wish I had just ONE.If I were to share one[two]. That would be when the oldest brit was 5 months,I was working on a natural retiever.I could throw anything and he would bring it back to hand.Until one careless throw over the tall grass and into the retention pond.He was ahead of me and moving fast,he broke through the grass and was into that cold December water.That was the last day he ever put anything in my hand and It has taken three years for him to take to the water on his own.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from bjohnston wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I learned the hard way that bumpers alone just won't work. Gotta have the real thing.

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from Robert Ewing wrote 2 years 24 weeks ago

I wish I had one.

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from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Interesting story, Robert. I have to say I was surprised. But I think that's because I've always only dealt with retrievers. Seems like there's nothing that can dampen their instinct to bring it back. Did the dog continue to retrieve but not bring it to hand, or did it just stop retrieving? My first lab wouldn't take to the water until well after she was a year old and there was no premature dunking to turn her off. Guess you just never know.

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from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Robert, That's a very telling story. Nearly had the same thing happen to me when Pritch took a dunking in a backyard pool at night (thankfully it was warm...Was worried sick she'd be afraid of water but a few weeks later I introduced her the proper way and she took to it like a fish. But you never know. Thanks for sharing...here's what happened to me.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2009/06/video-getting-pup-ta...

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from kelmitch wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

-15 Here in NY with wind chill today.Dave get us some pictures of your hunt Wood Ducks should make a great picture great looking bird.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Ontario Honker ... wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Here in NW Ontario it was -22 C yesterday afternoon WITHOUT the windchill. And it was blowing a bit. I'm still walking the dogs every day a mile or two but it's tough. Doesn't bother them.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from WA Mtnhunter wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

I was worried about my Lab when he was a pup because he did not take to the water like my previous Lab or our Golden. So I did not really force the issue. When I started wading marsh ponds, he got the idea real fast and since then he gets in the water way too often at times. He still does not like to jump off the dock whereas the Golden should have been a contestant on "Air Dog". He will swim in ice and slush to get a bird! Just not to play....

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Quackwacker wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

I paid $50 for this dog and three months ago he didnt know how to swim. Would put his head down and go just kinda sat there and dog paddled. But he has learned that swimming is fun!

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from kelmitch wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Our temp.just dropped from 60 one day last week to -11 for the low without the wind chill.Training will slow a little but want to get the dog conditioned to the cold first dont want no muscles pulled.One of my more memorable hunts was a rooster on the last day in the snow on a very chilly day but that was another springer of mine many years ago.We still train at least three days a week at this time.Still hope to get in ruffed grouse and rabbit.My dog is still just over one year not too much older than Pritch I want training and hunting to be a good experience not him wanting to get out of the cold dont want no mistakes made want to duck hunt next year with him my team.The goal this year was to set the foundation,formal field training,knowing all voice,wistle,and hand commands.I wanted to be able to hunt shoot the fowl and have the pup retrieve and we have made it and then some.I will need help from you duck hunters for next season.

0 Good Comment? | | Report
from Dave DiBenedetto wrote 2 years 23 weeks ago

Ontario and Kelmitch-- You guys are making my hunt tomorrow (32 degrees at 6 am) feel like a trip to the Bahamas....

Quack-- Your dog is looking good. Nice work.

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