


January 15, 2010
Safari Club Takes On Yellowstone Grizzly Ruling
By Dave Hurteau
The Safari Club International is appealing a recent federal court ruling from U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy in Missoula that returned grizzly bears in the greater Yellowstone area to the list of threatened species, according to this AP story via KHQ News.
In declaring the region’s roughly 600 grizzlies still at risk, Molloy cited concerns about how the new conservation strategy would be enforced and about how potential climate change might affect one of the bear’s four primary food sources.
SCI’s appeal has two primary goals, says Litigation Council Doug Burdin. “First, we want the bears removed from the threatened list so primary management can return to the states, which we believe do a good job of managing the animal’s impact on game species,” he explains. “Second, with delisting, SCI's members could again look forward to a hunting season as soon as the states deem it appropriate.”
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Why do they feel the furthest people from the situations are the best to make these decisions. Do they not realize that sportsmen are generally the best means of assuring an appropriate population? We want to see a sustainable population.
salmon said it. politicians still think we want to kill everything into extinction when really any ethical hunter wants to ensure the survival of the population of game in order for future hunting. "we did not inherit the earth from our parents, it is on loan to us from our children."
I agree with both but "WE" as ethical hunters are not the only ones hunting. This protects the animals from the idiots that call themselves hunters.
another judge making a ruling based on personal feelings instead of science.
Climate change? is that what "they" (anti's) are going to say about every hunting issue? Bogus science is what this judge is going to use as his groundwork for his decision?
Yes , the climate is all ways changing!!!!!!!!!!! we do not live in a static world. How is it changing? Who Knows?!!!!!! You have to make policy based on facts that are at hand. As said above, hunters care more about the environment than any other group, we are out in it more and have a greater stake in maintaining a healthy planet than anyone else. So please do not base a ruling on junk science!!!!!
We could all ways go out and "reason" with the naughty grizzly that kills a hiker. Now that is using your head!
Judge Molloy seems concerned about jumping into a decision because of the possibility of losing a food source. I think he is just being cautious, which is a good thing. You have to remember that this is Yellowstone, not state forest property, its Federal. Lets face it- Safari International doesn't impress me very much as a organization that has the interest of the common hunter in mind. Their publications are geared more for the big money, world traveling, trophy hunters who are more concerned about some "good ole boy trophy hunts" then they are about sustaining grizzlys in Yellowstone Park. I believe this is the same judge that allowed the wolf hunts in Idaho and Montana, so cut him some slack. Let the trophy hunters travel to Alaska and Russia for a while longer. If they ever do allow grizzly hunts in yellowstone hopefully the tags will be lottery picked instead of auctioned off to the highest bidder.
Judge Donald Molloy did allow the wolf hunt, after holding it up for over a year previously...he also more or less told the enviro groups how to file a new lawsuit to put a stop to wolf hunting...he just couldn't do anything last fall without totally appearing in the pocket of the enviros...but he does like to rule in favor of enviro's any chance he gets....how many hours of wildlife management did Donald take in school???? Why don't we leave game management up to the people that do it for a living...we don't have Fish and Game Biologist come into court and try and practice law....tying the hands of the game managers when it comes to top tier predator management creates a mess, much the same as politicians setting rules for generals trying to win wars....let them do their jobs and stay out of the way..
Let me correct you Walt, this is not about Yellowstone. This is the Grizzly Bear in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem - this includes ID, MT and WY. The states gained control of the grizzlies that resided outside of Yellowstone, most of them are outside the park. There will never be hunting inside yellowstone. Judge Malloy hates hunters, pure and simple! The federal government never jumps to conclusions, there is years of research and study that goes into any action like this. There are Grizzly Bears all over Idaho, Wyoming and Montana. Sure SCI wants to hunt them but at least Idaho people are not jumping at the chance to hunt. Judge Malloy only allowed the wolf hunt purely because he no other choice. He told biologists they were wrong for so long that he could no longer come up with a viable excuse to stop the hunts. If if could have found one he would have, and he tried. Judge Mally is corrupt as judges get and will do anything to end fishing and hunting. State governments better manage animals than the federal government, this hurt the bears more then helped them. Judge Malloy is a lawyer, not a biologist - somebody needs to remind him.
The first thing that Malloy said when hearing the injunction filed last minute to stop the wolf hunt to the environmental groups was to the effect of "Are you going to keep coming to me with every injunction" he knows he is the extreme and so do the environmental groups, while SCI may be geared more toward the international hunter, they are a good organization for hunters. They have lawyers and will go to bat when the scenario is correct and hunters or outfitters need a legal voice that they can't afford. The problem with this statement was that while their first reason is correct from past expereince, is it really appropriate to delist a species so their members can hunt them? I am not trying to back the listing of a species for possible forage changes brought on by either natural or human induced climate change. This is a very slippery slope starting to list species for what might happen. Forage bases change over time and it is what drives species relocation and ultimate population of new habitat. What group that totes themselves as being for hunters, who are the greatest conservationists, can lobby for delisting so they can legally be hunted. Watch you wording SCI, we are all on the same team here and don't want to give the anti's ammunition
When the government or some megacorporation wants to put a toxic or nuclear waste dump in our back yard we are usually successful shinning the light of day on it and stopping it for our safety and health. But, when the government wants to stock my backyard with huge predators that view me and my animals as food so the Sierra Club can have pictures for their calendars I have no say in the matter.
Can we use science and not someones personally opinion with this kind of stuff?
http://www.bear-hunting.org
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Why do they feel the furthest people from the situations are the best to make these decisions. Do they not realize that sportsmen are generally the best means of assuring an appropriate population? We want to see a sustainable population.
another judge making a ruling based on personal feelings instead of science.
Judge Donald Molloy did allow the wolf hunt, after holding it up for over a year previously...he also more or less told the enviro groups how to file a new lawsuit to put a stop to wolf hunting...he just couldn't do anything last fall without totally appearing in the pocket of the enviros...but he does like to rule in favor of enviro's any chance he gets....how many hours of wildlife management did Donald take in school???? Why don't we leave game management up to the people that do it for a living...we don't have Fish and Game Biologist come into court and try and practice law....tying the hands of the game managers when it comes to top tier predator management creates a mess, much the same as politicians setting rules for generals trying to win wars....let them do their jobs and stay out of the way..
Let me correct you Walt, this is not about Yellowstone. This is the Grizzly Bear in the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem - this includes ID, MT and WY. The states gained control of the grizzlies that resided outside of Yellowstone, most of them are outside the park. There will never be hunting inside yellowstone. Judge Malloy hates hunters, pure and simple! The federal government never jumps to conclusions, there is years of research and study that goes into any action like this. There are Grizzly Bears all over Idaho, Wyoming and Montana. Sure SCI wants to hunt them but at least Idaho people are not jumping at the chance to hunt. Judge Malloy only allowed the wolf hunt purely because he no other choice. He told biologists they were wrong for so long that he could no longer come up with a viable excuse to stop the hunts. If if could have found one he would have, and he tried. Judge Mally is corrupt as judges get and will do anything to end fishing and hunting. State governments better manage animals than the federal government, this hurt the bears more then helped them. Judge Malloy is a lawyer, not a biologist - somebody needs to remind him.
Climate change? is that what "they" (anti's) are going to say about every hunting issue? Bogus science is what this judge is going to use as his groundwork for his decision?
Yes , the climate is all ways changing!!!!!!!!!!! we do not live in a static world. How is it changing? Who Knows?!!!!!! You have to make policy based on facts that are at hand. As said above, hunters care more about the environment than any other group, we are out in it more and have a greater stake in maintaining a healthy planet than anyone else. So please do not base a ruling on junk science!!!!!
We could all ways go out and "reason" with the naughty grizzly that kills a hiker. Now that is using your head!
salmon said it. politicians still think we want to kill everything into extinction when really any ethical hunter wants to ensure the survival of the population of game in order for future hunting. "we did not inherit the earth from our parents, it is on loan to us from our children."
I agree with both but "WE" as ethical hunters are not the only ones hunting. This protects the animals from the idiots that call themselves hunters.
The first thing that Malloy said when hearing the injunction filed last minute to stop the wolf hunt to the environmental groups was to the effect of "Are you going to keep coming to me with every injunction" he knows he is the extreme and so do the environmental groups, while SCI may be geared more toward the international hunter, they are a good organization for hunters. They have lawyers and will go to bat when the scenario is correct and hunters or outfitters need a legal voice that they can't afford. The problem with this statement was that while their first reason is correct from past expereince, is it really appropriate to delist a species so their members can hunt them? I am not trying to back the listing of a species for possible forage changes brought on by either natural or human induced climate change. This is a very slippery slope starting to list species for what might happen. Forage bases change over time and it is what drives species relocation and ultimate population of new habitat. What group that totes themselves as being for hunters, who are the greatest conservationists, can lobby for delisting so they can legally be hunted. Watch you wording SCI, we are all on the same team here and don't want to give the anti's ammunition
When the government or some megacorporation wants to put a toxic or nuclear waste dump in our back yard we are usually successful shinning the light of day on it and stopping it for our safety and health. But, when the government wants to stock my backyard with huge predators that view me and my animals as food so the Sierra Club can have pictures for their calendars I have no say in the matter.
Can we use science and not someones personally opinion with this kind of stuff?
http://www.bear-hunting.org
Judge Molloy seems concerned about jumping into a decision because of the possibility of losing a food source. I think he is just being cautious, which is a good thing. You have to remember that this is Yellowstone, not state forest property, its Federal. Lets face it- Safari International doesn't impress me very much as a organization that has the interest of the common hunter in mind. Their publications are geared more for the big money, world traveling, trophy hunters who are more concerned about some "good ole boy trophy hunts" then they are about sustaining grizzlys in Yellowstone Park. I believe this is the same judge that allowed the wolf hunts in Idaho and Montana, so cut him some slack. Let the trophy hunters travel to Alaska and Russia for a while longer. If they ever do allow grizzly hunts in yellowstone hopefully the tags will be lottery picked instead of auctioned off to the highest bidder.
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