


January 06, 2010
Still Waiting on Your Gun Dog of a Lifetime?
By David DiBenedetto

In the training game, the conventional wisdom is that a man or woman will own one great gun dog in their lifetime. (Maybe two if the good Lord smiles kindly on them.) I’m not talking about your run-of-the mill family pet, but a truly great gun dog—with all of the drive, talent, instinct, and smarts you could dream of. And like life in general, you never know when you’re going to hit it big with a pup.
Take my older brother, for example. He claims his very first Labrador, Charlotte, was his lifetime dog. She practically taught herself, and the only thing that held her back he contends was his own ineptitude. Still, they made some noise at trials and had a darn good time in the field. Four dogs later and he’s still reminiscing about Charlotte’s talent and wondering if he’ll ever own another that’s her equal.
I’ve owned one gun dog before Pritch, but we only piddled about. Neither of us really gave it everything necessary to be a team. As for Pritch, it’s probably too early to tell if she’s going to be my lifetime dog. But so far I’d say probably not. Does that mean I love her any less? Hell, no! Or that I won’t continue working with her? Fat chance! She still has plenty to teach me. (In fact, she’s probably the perfect dog for me at this stage.)
But I’m curious how many of you feel like you owned the one great gun dog of your lifetime or if you’re still waiting. Or do you think whole notion of one great gun dog in your lifetime is just bunk?
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Simply stating, there are few things in this world that are more satisfying in the long-term than a good huntin' dog.
Nate
Bunk. Most properly bred gun dogs have the innate ability and drive to excede there master's qualifications for training. It would probably be best put in the dogs perspective that they as a group can only hope to find a rare person who will fully uncover their abilities.
I think the whole dog of a lifetime thing, for me, anyway, rests more on how the dog affected you, some undefinable intrinsic quality rather than from a pure performance standpoint.
As an example of what I'm trying to say, my current dogs are great dogs both. My little female is a solid hunter and a sweet pet. She's tough, she's a good, if not great, marker, handles pretty well and just gets the job done in a yeoman, blue-collar manner. From a technical point of view she's easily the best hunting dog I've ever had, and with enough time, reflection and comparison to dogs yet-to-be she just may end up as my lifetime dog.
My male, well, life with him is a roller-coaster. Some days I think he's the most magnificent dog I've ever seen. Other days I'm convinced he belongs on the canine equivalent of the short bus. He's still something of a mystery and a work in progress.
But the dog I compare them both too, and indeed the dog I compare all my previous dogs to and I'm sure all future dogs as well, is my first chessie, who in terms of being a finished retriever was nowhere near where my current dogs are.
Why? She captured my imagination. There was something about her, an intensity. She was a complete throwback to those original eastern shore market-hunting bay dogs. She was mean, surly, large and powerful, and if she didn't know you she'd fix you with a brief, haughty, amber-eyed stare and then look right through you as if you didn't exist, because in her world, you didn't.
And that intensity carried right on through to hunting. I've not seen a dog since that - for lack of a better term - attacked a retrieve like she did. She was an incredible natural marker and went I sent her on a bird she took a line and then simply plowed through everything in her way along that line.
But her obediance was shite, she didn't handle and as a result couldn't do blinds to save her life, so in a hunt test any reasonably-trained retriever would wipe the floor with her.
That all, of course, was my fault. She came along at a time in my life when I didn't have a clue about training a dog (still don't, really). That's one of my greatest dog-related regrets, and probably the reason she's my lifetime dog: Potential, unrealized.
I look forward to finding out. A bird dog is still in the "maybe next year" plan. My current beagle is my first dog that I could say is truly a hunting dog. He's not the first one that has gone out in the woods with me, but he is the first bred for that purpose with the natural instinct and drive. He is no well trained retriever. He is the dog that set my blood coursing the first time he opened up on a trail and made me realize that hunting small game or uplands without a dog is still a nice walk, but doesn't compare to being out with a canine companion and watching it do it's thing.
He has one horrendous flaw. He'll run deer.. sometimes. It's a matter of what we encounter first. If he's already run a rabbit that day, all olfactory nerves that don't register as rabbit short circuit and I've several times seen him give no more than a glance at a deer he's jumped. If deer are encountered first? All bets are off. He might give a buck a glance and sniff past looking for rabbit scent, or a 3 hour old deer track could send him on a marathon chase. He's not a pup, and I didn't get him as one, but he's still my doing. It is doubtful that he'll be the best dog I'll ever own. He started hunting late and in a period where I was seriously crunched for time in life. He had heartworm and was gun-shy to top it off. However, I'll never forget his first chase or the first rabbit I took over him. Even if that's as good as it gets, and frankly he'd fail to impress a serious beagler, I've got no complaints.
It seems that first gun dogs have an edge in "gun dog of a lifetime" accounting. All the excitement of training, working and hunting the first makes them very special. I agree completely with needcoffee that most/all well-bred gun dogs have the instinct and ability to become excellent hunters but with the first you are learning far more from them than they are from you. I think that makes them almost mystical in our eyes and memory.
I can't say this from experience as I am still working on my first gun dog. She is doing well despite my mistakes. But I know this is true for my dad. He still talks about Sheba, the 7/8 lab who could hunt anything...
My current hunting partner is a german wirehair pointer. She is my third "hunting dog". At 18 months of age she is by far the most advanced dog with innate field skills that I have had. I am sure she will become even more refined in her techniques as time progresses. Is she my best dog ever? Yes, but my start in the dog owning process came later in life. Her main strengths are her ability to adapt to my home life. We all love our pets. She has found a permanent corner in my heart. Even if she was a mediocre hunter she would be my best dog ever.
That should read "obedience" rather than obediance. Fingers and brain don't easily mesh...
I'm still waiting for that one dog. But when I do you all will be seeing plenty of pictures.
You all bring up some very valid points...while writing the post I kind of felt like the question of the lifetime dog lies somewhere in the middle of asking a mother to name her favorite child or asking a coach to tell you his best player of all time...it's a tough one for many reasons but I sure do hear it bandied about often.
I think the Lab I have now is my gun dog of a lifetime. Great retriever despite my lack of training expertise.
i think that, like kids, some pups are born with more natural ability (i.e. are hard to screw up) while others require more training/attention. but i don't think the dog with the most natural ability is automatically the lifetime gun dog. sometimes it's the ones that take the most work that really shine in the field and grab hold of our hearts. that said, i agree with dave... it's like asking a parent to choose their favorite kid. no way i can pick just one...
Let me start by saying great picture.I have had field cockers,springers,and a english cocker,but the springer that I am working with now is I believe going to be the best.He has the best breeding perhaps out of them all with many field trial champions from the UK and Ireland in his bloodline.That was the start and on top of that my ability has also grown over the years.He has a great conditioned retrieve comes all the way back with the bird sits at heel,holds the fowl until the give command is given.I am happy but it is a long road that we are still on to be complete as a team.So far we are meeting the goals I set for the first year.You are right they all have their own personalities and strong points.I cant wait to see what he looks like at three years for now he has a long way to two but we both are having fun getting there.He may be my dog of a lifetime!
We grew up with labs but I needed a dog with all the drive and the ability to be agile yet small enough to work the tight hedge rows here in NY with out coming out all cut up as I see my friends goldens and labs.The 45lb.dog does it all and goes were the large breeds cant.They all are great breeds this one works for me and still plays with the kids,cat,and wife.
Kelmitch-- Glad you like the photo. That's my friend's 5-year old springer, Bailey, on a hunt in North Dakota this year. -D
Excelent! warm today only -2 little wind great day!
Still on my first dog, my Yellow Lab Timber....he does everything I ask of him...I tossed one dead grouse that he retrieved when he was 8 months, and that is all the training I had to do...he will flush, and retrieve anything I shoot that he can get his mouth around, birds, ducks, geese, rabbits, squirrels, etc...he also loves to hunt shed horns, gave him a couple to chew on as a pup, and led him to a couple in the field and gave him the atta boy for picking them up, and now he gets them on his own....he also has his own backpack for summer trips, and carries his own dog food and the Bourbon....along with loving to ride in the boat and fish, though you have to fight him for landed fish as he thinks he should retrieve them as well....
idahooutdoors, Sounds like one heck of a dog...gotta love a pup that totes the bourbon... -d
For the last two dogs I've had the intention of getting a bird dog and each time I got a lovable mutt. I wouldn't trade my now 13 year old pup at heart mutt for anything. Even so, I've still managed to hunt birds over some of the best dog work I've ever seen. I have to leave my home range for any serious bird hunting anyway, which usually means an outfitter with a kennel of great dogs. By the time I will have to say my final farewell to my old mutt I won't be all that for behind him. At this stage of my life this is my last dog, and fittingly the best.
My hunting dog of a lifetime would be Ethyl, my second hunting dog (1977-1988). And my first hunting dog was great too, but no Ethyl. Although Ethyl was half lab and half golden retriever, she looked like a small black lab. I have posted quite a bit about her. She was fairly good at marking downed birds but not the best I have seen, but in all other respects I have never seen anything to surpass her. I could take her for a walk in a city park full of ducks and geese and never have her on a leash. She was always at my side. I even hunted big game with her, including the backcountry horseback trips. Again, she was always right behind me and I'd often forget she was along until I sat down for a break. At blind retrieves she knew no parallel. Friends would come by and pick us up to find birds that had been shot the night before on the other side of a pond or river. No problem! Ethyl loved goose hunting and the tougher they fought the more she liked it. But with us, she didn't have a mean bone in her body. She was so sweet that even people who did not like dogs would beg to babysit her. The two labs I have now are great dogs and wonderful hunters but, again, no comparison to Ethyl.
And Needcoffee, you're wrong. It's not bunk. You can't make a silk purse out of a bull's scrotum, no matter how hard you try. During the Ethyl era my brother bought a fancy-papered HUGE yellow lab. It was at our house from the time he was a pup. That dog was so stupid that if it'd taken any brains to breathe, he'd have been dead at birth. I mean, no one could teach him ANYTHING (and at least four different subsequent owners also tried in vain). Not everyone can be a brain surgeon, no matter how hard they try or how much time or money they spend attempting to learn to be one. Same thing with dogs. Some are naturally going to be better hunters than others. The sister of my brother's idiot dog was a WONDERFUL pooch. I have seen some amazing hunting dogs owned by people who really didn't put any time or effort into training them (including the above-mentioned "WONDERFUL pooch").
In 2001 I met Allie when she was six weeks old. She was an English Setter and even though the only thing I knew about training a bird dog was what I had heard and articles I had read, I had decided I was going to train her to be a good gun dog. Around eight months later we were out for our usual run/training exercise when It finally dawned upon me that she was in fact training me. I lost that wonderful animal three years later(two days before Christmas)to a car, and have never completley gotten over it. A week before Christmas `09 I made a three hour drive to Michigan to bring Briley home. He of courseis an English Setter too, and even though he`ll never understand, the training Allie gave me will help to one day make him all the dog he can be. Allie was the dog of a lifetime for both of us.
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I think the whole dog of a lifetime thing, for me, anyway, rests more on how the dog affected you, some undefinable intrinsic quality rather than from a pure performance standpoint.
As an example of what I'm trying to say, my current dogs are great dogs both. My little female is a solid hunter and a sweet pet. She's tough, she's a good, if not great, marker, handles pretty well and just gets the job done in a yeoman, blue-collar manner. From a technical point of view she's easily the best hunting dog I've ever had, and with enough time, reflection and comparison to dogs yet-to-be she just may end up as my lifetime dog.
My male, well, life with him is a roller-coaster. Some days I think he's the most magnificent dog I've ever seen. Other days I'm convinced he belongs on the canine equivalent of the short bus. He's still something of a mystery and a work in progress.
But the dog I compare them both too, and indeed the dog I compare all my previous dogs to and I'm sure all future dogs as well, is my first chessie, who in terms of being a finished retriever was nowhere near where my current dogs are.
Why? She captured my imagination. There was something about her, an intensity. She was a complete throwback to those original eastern shore market-hunting bay dogs. She was mean, surly, large and powerful, and if she didn't know you she'd fix you with a brief, haughty, amber-eyed stare and then look right through you as if you didn't exist, because in her world, you didn't.
And that intensity carried right on through to hunting. I've not seen a dog since that - for lack of a better term - attacked a retrieve like she did. She was an incredible natural marker and went I sent her on a bird she took a line and then simply plowed through everything in her way along that line.
But her obediance was shite, she didn't handle and as a result couldn't do blinds to save her life, so in a hunt test any reasonably-trained retriever would wipe the floor with her.
That all, of course, was my fault. She came along at a time in my life when I didn't have a clue about training a dog (still don't, really). That's one of my greatest dog-related regrets, and probably the reason she's my lifetime dog: Potential, unrealized.
I look forward to finding out. A bird dog is still in the "maybe next year" plan. My current beagle is my first dog that I could say is truly a hunting dog. He's not the first one that has gone out in the woods with me, but he is the first bred for that purpose with the natural instinct and drive. He is no well trained retriever. He is the dog that set my blood coursing the first time he opened up on a trail and made me realize that hunting small game or uplands without a dog is still a nice walk, but doesn't compare to being out with a canine companion and watching it do it's thing.
He has one horrendous flaw. He'll run deer.. sometimes. It's a matter of what we encounter first. If he's already run a rabbit that day, all olfactory nerves that don't register as rabbit short circuit and I've several times seen him give no more than a glance at a deer he's jumped. If deer are encountered first? All bets are off. He might give a buck a glance and sniff past looking for rabbit scent, or a 3 hour old deer track could send him on a marathon chase. He's not a pup, and I didn't get him as one, but he's still my doing. It is doubtful that he'll be the best dog I'll ever own. He started hunting late and in a period where I was seriously crunched for time in life. He had heartworm and was gun-shy to top it off. However, I'll never forget his first chase or the first rabbit I took over him. Even if that's as good as it gets, and frankly he'd fail to impress a serious beagler, I've got no complaints.
Simply stating, there are few things in this world that are more satisfying in the long-term than a good huntin' dog.
Nate
Still on my first dog, my Yellow Lab Timber....he does everything I ask of him...I tossed one dead grouse that he retrieved when he was 8 months, and that is all the training I had to do...he will flush, and retrieve anything I shoot that he can get his mouth around, birds, ducks, geese, rabbits, squirrels, etc...he also loves to hunt shed horns, gave him a couple to chew on as a pup, and led him to a couple in the field and gave him the atta boy for picking them up, and now he gets them on his own....he also has his own backpack for summer trips, and carries his own dog food and the Bourbon....along with loving to ride in the boat and fish, though you have to fight him for landed fish as he thinks he should retrieve them as well....
It seems that first gun dogs have an edge in "gun dog of a lifetime" accounting. All the excitement of training, working and hunting the first makes them very special. I agree completely with needcoffee that most/all well-bred gun dogs have the instinct and ability to become excellent hunters but with the first you are learning far more from them than they are from you. I think that makes them almost mystical in our eyes and memory.
I can't say this from experience as I am still working on my first gun dog. She is doing well despite my mistakes. But I know this is true for my dad. He still talks about Sheba, the 7/8 lab who could hunt anything...
That should read "obedience" rather than obediance. Fingers and brain don't easily mesh...
I think the Lab I have now is my gun dog of a lifetime. Great retriever despite my lack of training expertise.
I'm still waiting for that one dog. But when I do you all will be seeing plenty of pictures.
i think that, like kids, some pups are born with more natural ability (i.e. are hard to screw up) while others require more training/attention. but i don't think the dog with the most natural ability is automatically the lifetime gun dog. sometimes it's the ones that take the most work that really shine in the field and grab hold of our hearts. that said, i agree with dave... it's like asking a parent to choose their favorite kid. no way i can pick just one...
You all bring up some very valid points...while writing the post I kind of felt like the question of the lifetime dog lies somewhere in the middle of asking a mother to name her favorite child or asking a coach to tell you his best player of all time...it's a tough one for many reasons but I sure do hear it bandied about often.
Let me start by saying great picture.I have had field cockers,springers,and a english cocker,but the springer that I am working with now is I believe going to be the best.He has the best breeding perhaps out of them all with many field trial champions from the UK and Ireland in his bloodline.That was the start and on top of that my ability has also grown over the years.He has a great conditioned retrieve comes all the way back with the bird sits at heel,holds the fowl until the give command is given.I am happy but it is a long road that we are still on to be complete as a team.So far we are meeting the goals I set for the first year.You are right they all have their own personalities and strong points.I cant wait to see what he looks like at three years for now he has a long way to two but we both are having fun getting there.He may be my dog of a lifetime!
Bunk. Most properly bred gun dogs have the innate ability and drive to excede there master's qualifications for training. It would probably be best put in the dogs perspective that they as a group can only hope to find a rare person who will fully uncover their abilities.
My current hunting partner is a german wirehair pointer. She is my third "hunting dog". At 18 months of age she is by far the most advanced dog with innate field skills that I have had. I am sure she will become even more refined in her techniques as time progresses. Is she my best dog ever? Yes, but my start in the dog owning process came later in life. Her main strengths are her ability to adapt to my home life. We all love our pets. She has found a permanent corner in my heart. Even if she was a mediocre hunter she would be my best dog ever.
In 2001 I met Allie when she was six weeks old. She was an English Setter and even though the only thing I knew about training a bird dog was what I had heard and articles I had read, I had decided I was going to train her to be a good gun dog. Around eight months later we were out for our usual run/training exercise when It finally dawned upon me that she was in fact training me. I lost that wonderful animal three years later(two days before Christmas)to a car, and have never completley gotten over it. A week before Christmas `09 I made a three hour drive to Michigan to bring Briley home. He of courseis an English Setter too, and even though he`ll never understand, the training Allie gave me will help to one day make him all the dog he can be. Allie was the dog of a lifetime for both of us.
Kelmitch-- Glad you like the photo. That's my friend's 5-year old springer, Bailey, on a hunt in North Dakota this year. -D
idahooutdoors, Sounds like one heck of a dog...gotta love a pup that totes the bourbon... -d
We grew up with labs but I needed a dog with all the drive and the ability to be agile yet small enough to work the tight hedge rows here in NY with out coming out all cut up as I see my friends goldens and labs.The 45lb.dog does it all and goes were the large breeds cant.They all are great breeds this one works for me and still plays with the kids,cat,and wife.
Excelent! warm today only -2 little wind great day!
For the last two dogs I've had the intention of getting a bird dog and each time I got a lovable mutt. I wouldn't trade my now 13 year old pup at heart mutt for anything. Even so, I've still managed to hunt birds over some of the best dog work I've ever seen. I have to leave my home range for any serious bird hunting anyway, which usually means an outfitter with a kennel of great dogs. By the time I will have to say my final farewell to my old mutt I won't be all that for behind him. At this stage of my life this is my last dog, and fittingly the best.
My hunting dog of a lifetime would be Ethyl, my second hunting dog (1977-1988). And my first hunting dog was great too, but no Ethyl. Although Ethyl was half lab and half golden retriever, she looked like a small black lab. I have posted quite a bit about her. She was fairly good at marking downed birds but not the best I have seen, but in all other respects I have never seen anything to surpass her. I could take her for a walk in a city park full of ducks and geese and never have her on a leash. She was always at my side. I even hunted big game with her, including the backcountry horseback trips. Again, she was always right behind me and I'd often forget she was along until I sat down for a break. At blind retrieves she knew no parallel. Friends would come by and pick us up to find birds that had been shot the night before on the other side of a pond or river. No problem! Ethyl loved goose hunting and the tougher they fought the more she liked it. But with us, she didn't have a mean bone in her body. She was so sweet that even people who did not like dogs would beg to babysit her. The two labs I have now are great dogs and wonderful hunters but, again, no comparison to Ethyl.
And Needcoffee, you're wrong. It's not bunk. You can't make a silk purse out of a bull's scrotum, no matter how hard you try. During the Ethyl era my brother bought a fancy-papered HUGE yellow lab. It was at our house from the time he was a pup. That dog was so stupid that if it'd taken any brains to breathe, he'd have been dead at birth. I mean, no one could teach him ANYTHING (and at least four different subsequent owners also tried in vain). Not everyone can be a brain surgeon, no matter how hard they try or how much time or money they spend attempting to learn to be one. Same thing with dogs. Some are naturally going to be better hunters than others. The sister of my brother's idiot dog was a WONDERFUL pooch. I have seen some amazing hunting dogs owned by people who really didn't put any time or effort into training them (including the above-mentioned "WONDERFUL pooch").
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