


January 07, 2010
Wisconsin Wardens Bust 29 Felons During Gun Season
By Dave Hurteau
From the Chicago Tribune:
A state report says Wisconsin wardens arrested 29 felons for possessing a firearm during the November gun deer hunt -- the most in seven years. . . .
[F]elons can't possess firearms under state and federal law, but they can purchase hunting licenses in Wisconsin.
State Rep. Jeff Smith, an Eau Claire Democrat, is working on a bill that would prohibit felons from purchasing any kind of gun hunting license.
Good idea?
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Comments (22)
Not a good idea. A better idea would be to let them buy the license, then send someone around to see if they try to use it. Seems like a cheap and effective way to ID likely gun owning convicted felons.
I gotta agree with Mike.. Looks like they did a pretty good job this year picking up a big number of gun owning felons.. Chances are those men wouldn't have gotten caught with their guns if they weren't hunting..
The add money back into DNR and then tip off cops that they are most likely using a gun. And people say that criminals aren't smart.
The question should be asked, what defines a felon and this should be broken down into two groups. First group would be the nonviolent felons, tax cheaters, bouncing checks crimes that are nonviolent. The second group is self explanatory, the violent felons, from assault to armed robbery etc.
Before I go any further I have to say the justice system goes too far in some or perhaps many cases for what a felon is and the penalties and restrictions once time has been served, they paid for the crime.
For the violent offenders, they should not have position of any weapon period.
As for the nonviolent and after a probation period I often wonder have we gone too far in the restriction of firearms? KEY WORD: NONVIOLENT!
I remember a Gentleman who had the off with their head mentality. It was interesting to see later when he fail into the category of "Convicted Felon"!
Clay makes an excellent point. I'm not particularly sympathetic to felons in general, but there's a big difference between violent criminals like armed robbers and the felon who gets convicted of fraud after he falls behind on his truck payments and drives the thing into a canal. Both are wrong, but why should the second guy lose his right to hunt and defend himself. Here's my take on it: you can't legally posess a gun in prison--the serious violent felons should be let out of prison for funerals only--their own funerals! Let God decide if it's OK for them to have guns in heaven or wherever they end up.
P.S. On the original question, I agree with Mike & SD, cross-referencing hunting licenses with the list of convicted felons is a great law enforcement tool.
Remember guys, you can pick up a felony for something as simple as an illegal cable television hookup (something I'm proud to say I've never done). Anybody want to rethink their position on all convicted felons being prohibited from owning firearms?
how many of obama's cabinet members should be felons when the rest of us would be in prison? it's not about the crime, but who commits it. our tresury secretary should be in prison but isn't because of our president! it's the same concept when it comes to new gun laws: why have new ones when we don't consistently enforce the ones we have?
If I may, I like to expand on what I said. During my 20 years in the Air Force, I had the pleasure or better put, the blessing to be in a position to assist the Local, State and Federal agencies mainly in Search & Rescue and in Law Enforcement. What I have witnessed in some cases more than most is nonviolent offenders getting themselves into trouble with the law and branding them as Felons. So where is the problem? I discussed the difference of "violent" and "nonviolent" offenders and this does have a direct impact on the family especially the children. How can a parent like a father bring up a Son with Felon branded on his forehead??? Yes, it's the price that person has to pay and should of thought about it when they did it. But for nonviolent Felon and when a period of probation set forth by the Court is passed and interdiction and monitoring by the Court has passed the real question is, should this individual gain back certain if all their rights provided this is a nonviolent individual??? Another point of view to add did this person act in a nonviolent way doing what a normal person would do, to only end up on the wrong side of the law, kinda like coming down a hill a couple of MPH over the speed limit in a controlled manner not reckless in any way??? We have all done it!
The problem I see with certain laws, somebody has a hammer like a DOT Cop and every 18 Wheeler is a nail. I have lost over $3000.00 in Lawyer fees and fines for bogus citations. Will someone explain how a Tractor & Trailer Rig governed at 62 mph claimed to do 78 mph cresting the top of a mountain climbing a steep grade several miles long? As there are bad Cops, there are bad courts loaded with Prosecutors to score, to put another notch on their belt knowing full well the defendant is innocent. In other words, your innocent, but the Prosecuting Attorney says if you plead guilty of a lower offence, you get to go your marry way down the road despite your totally innocent of any charges, you just don’t have the money to fight it. I’ve witnessed this first hand assisting Law Enforcement and as a Over the Road Driver and this is the top two reasons I didn’t pursue Law Enforcement besides my loss of hearing.
This is only for “food for thought”, all I ask is to think about it.
Having spent over 24+ years in prison I would like to add my thought on "Game Wardens" acting out their idea of the "Thin Blue Line". Yeah, I know...PC. They are not "game wardens" any more. How nice, and they aren't "Big City Cops/State Patrolmen" either. And of course the big lie is that they have no choice in the matter of what laws that they can selectively enforce, Bull Hockey!!!! Most of the time crimes that were misdemeanors or even just warnings are now put on the books as "FELONIES". And the judges and juries are not able to say to what degree they would prosecute "THE LAW". All of that is out of their hands. They are not smart enough, legal minded enough, and they are too soft.
They let the bad guys out too often. Well, at $25,000 to over $100,000 per year that might not always be a bad idea. It costs to lock up a human being who can an does sue the State, County and even the Federal Governments to the tune of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. And that "horrible human" that raped that very nice church going girl...gets off with the DNA proving he wasn't in the same county at the time of the crime. He gets,what, $20,$30, $40,000 a year for wrong full imprisonment. It happens every day.
So before you go and join the "Far Right/Far Out" and want to put everyone of those guys behind bars. Remember, one, you are going to pay for that ... and in some states the cost of Prisons are as much if not more than the cost to run a State School System. Most of the time we are talking about less than 100,000 inmates vs 4 or 5 MILLION students...hmmmm
And two, most and I say most people who are licensed hunters are people that actually know how to do that. I mean you don't come from the inner city, grab a gun, get a license and go out into the woods, to ... what...get lost, shot, messed up. Since most law enforcement agencies are hooked up to the National Governments computers that have a record of everyone who has even been part of the Jurist Prudent System to any degree, I would say that anyone that is that determined to "make a bust" could find out if the individual is wanted, paroled, what crime was committed, when did he commit the crime, and does he really represent a threat. Felons are not all the same. And let me tell you this...anything that we "pull" on the inmates in 2010 will be pulled on us or our children by 2015, anything. Computers and the people that control them do not want to lose any of that control for any reason.
As for my 24+ years in Prison...I was the guy that would tell the inmate what he would have to do to "qualify" to go see the "Board". Of course when they would get hit for another two years...I would have to find something else for him to do, HHHHHHmmmmmmmmm "Would you like to learn how to hunt"?????
Purchasing a firearm hunting license by an individual with a felony should not be prohibited and here's why. The two states (Michigan and South Dakota) I've lived in allow you to use a bow during the firearm season under that license. A hunter who has paid their societal debt should have the ability to still hunt if their state allows bowhunting under that license.
I agree with Clay. Non violent felons should be allowed to hunt with a firearm. Hunting is recreational and good for the soul, if anything it might keep them out of trouble in the future. Hot headed violent offenders on the other hand can learn to use a bow as far as I'm concerned.
Remember when the Federal Law took into affect, if you have been charged with assault and battery, you are not allowed to posses a firearm. Sue put allot of good Veteran Law Enforcement Officer out of work. When good goes bad or is it when bad goes good?
This is another time when I am stepping up to the line with Clay, Many "felons" have been convicted of nonviolent crimes or have been otherwise whipsawed by circumstance. Since the creation of Private for profit prisons and the defunding of any sort of rehab there are social entities who see their role as packing the prisons full in order that private individuals can enrich themselves at the expense of the government and the individuals so degraded. I am personally only in favor of incarcerating those who actually pose a threat to other people or who have hurt others and show signs of doing it again. Restitution for thieves and castration for rapists, the fact that we now put more people in jail than any other nation on the planet puts the lie to America the land of the free AND is part of what is crushing our economic system. We simply can't afford to keep so many people locked up.
Me, I'm a good girl, ain't even had a speeding ticket in 5 years. Perhaps this makes me that annoying person trundling down the highway at 55 while the traffic blows by me at 80, but hey, I'm free (mostly).
I have heard of a lot of hunters loosing their gun privileges for felonies done decades previously, often for misdeeds they thought they had already paid for. What good does it do for a repentant criminal to pay his dues to society if the powers that be never let him live it down? While I understand that there are elements in our society who are working to create a closed two tiered society with a privileged upper class and a disenfranchised underclass but those people who would want such a thing are traitors to the American way of freedom and equality for all.
i think its good and bad
good:more money, hire more people =more jobs
bad:people dont get caught right away, could get away
I'm with Clay and Bella on this although we've been down this road before.
Fortunately most states has provisions whereby convicted felons may petition the governor and have their full rights restored. When I applied for my C&R Federal Firearms License there is a place on the questionaire for applicants to check if they have been convicted felons and have had their rights restored.
The bad news is that in some states I read that for one to have full rights restored including the right to possess firearms, one either has to be a somebody or be a part of a somebody's family, or have enough money to hire a very expensive lawyer and lobbyist to get through the system.
Like it or not, we must remember that firearm ownership is not a privelege, it's a right. If one is permitted to get back any of one's rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, then one is entitled to all those rights.
Clay you were referring to the heinous Lautenberg Amendment.
All good answers,But the reason missing is that of Gun Control!This is just one of many backdoor LIBERAL schemes to get more and more control over our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Can you say George Saros,M. Bloomberg for that matter the majority of the democrats.
If you have not been convicted of a "violent" crime,I see no reason why your rights to possess a firearm while hunting should be affected.
In Michigan a bow, crossbow or a Black powder rifle can be used during rifle deer season so any convicted felon can hunt legally. Therefore prohibiting them from obtaining any kind of hunting license would be unconstituional. A black powder rifle,capable of killing a deer, bear, or other big game is NOT A FIREARM under federal law. They can be purchased without any paperwork at any licensed dealer!
"First group would be the nonviolent felons, tax cheaters, bouncing checks crimes that are nonviolent."
To heck with that. Violent, nonviolent, none of them should be allowed to own firearms until a judge reviews their behavior after they've completed their sentence and restores their rights. I'd throw a serial nonviolent felon into the electric chair as fast as I'd throw a violent felon there. Repeat felons aren't worth the dirt they walk on.
I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer and I agree with those who say we should divide the violent from the nonviolent. A young man breaks into a hunting cabin and with 2 buddies steal a TV valued at $250.00 which is a felony. Do you think at 5o years old that person should not be alowed to hunt. I think they should have their priviledge restored. Several of my Law Enforcement friends feel the same way.
The problem is that if you start carving out exceptions for non-violent felons, some day some idiot ACLU attorney is going to try to make the argument that child molestation is not a violent crime where no injury occurred (as in a simple touching). Well, it is - period. Then you get to the point of involuntary manslaughter - and that same idiot ACLU attorney will try to make the argument that if the involuntary manslaughter doesn't have a violent misdemeanor involved in the charge, then "should it really be a felony?" Pandora's box will be opened by the carving out of exceptions (see the tax code). If the felon can't vote without getting his rights restored through the proper channels, then shy should he be allowed to carry a firearm - even to hunt?
Then comes the question - if a non-violent felon can own and possess a gun for hunting only, what will he claim every time the police question him about his firearm? "Oh, I just have that for hunting." Really!? At noon in the mall parking lot? There just is no real clear-cut answer to this, and the system is not set up to take care of it on a case-by-case basis, except for the right of the felon to have his jury trial after he already breaks the law that he knows is on the books. I mean really; can a person claim to NOT KNOW he is a convicted felon or NOT KNOW that as a convicted felon he can't own a firearm?
Last thoughts - I promise . . . 1) felons are liars by nature, and 2) drug crimes aren't necessarily violent crimes, but is there anyone who can claim with a straight face to believe that a person with drugs and money on his person at the same time he has a firearm on him is not violent, in that he is prepared to shoot and/or kill to protect those drugs and that money? Would a tax cheat kill to stay out of prison? Where is the line drawn? There is no rational reason for allowing felons to own and possess firearms.
I don't get it, nearly every comment posted for or against felons hunting or possessing a gun failed to truly understand the basic issue here. YOU ARE NOT A FELON ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR SENTENCE AND FINISHED WITH YOUR PROBATIONARY PERIOD....YOU ARE AN "EX" FELON. A simple search of the United States Constitution would tell all but the most blinded and ignorant that our country was founded not only on the right to keep and bear arms, but also the premise that once a person has paid thier dues to society, they are to retain all those rights, even the right to own a gun. It matters not how you FEEL about this subject, the reasons for it being placed in our founding documents are many and inarguable. Our founders knew from experience that if you start arbitrarily taking rights away from any one group for what seems like good cause, soon all rights would be at the mercy of one interest group or another. I cannot stress this enough, it does not matter what your reasons for targeting ex felons are, they are wrong and counter productive in a free society, leading only down the road to some sort of dictatorship and an elitist ruling class with many willing to go along in the hopes of being a part of that elitist ruling class. I knew this without being told it by the time I was fourteen years old and cannot fathom how adults in thier thirties and forties can still not get it, still fall for the line of thinking that anyone convicted of a crime is somehow less worthy of the rights we must all fight to enjoy.
As a convicted felon and an avid Wisconsin hunter I'd like to weigh in on this one. It is my God-given and Constitutional right to hunt. I am a bowhunter. I don't know how any felon buys a gun hunting license but that's pretty pathetic of our govt. to allow that. There's enough laws as it is in this country these days, we certainly don't need any more. Simply start running background checks on anyone buying a gun license and the problem is solved. I'm amazed anyone with a record would even have the balls to try to get a gun hunting license. You'd get in an enormous amount of trouble if you got caught. These guys are all idiots. Plus they make those of us who did one stupid thing a very long time ago look bad too and call into question our integrity and whether or not we should be allowed to hunt or whatnot. I'm glad the DNR is out there doing what we pay them to do though and busting these idiots. I love hunting and fishing, and I hope a few don't spoil it for the rest of us. As far as the law in Wisconsin goes, depending on what you're charged with, your right to vote is restored, but you will always be a "felon" as ;long as you live. Only a governor's pardon can take that away. I wasn't convicted of anything bad so I'm allowed to vote, and I should be. I, like all felons though, am never again allowed to possess a firearm or hold public office nor obtain most licenses. It's virtually impossible to get a job after 2001 with a felony as well. So we are stuck fighting for them and quoting laws to employers to convince them they can't discriminate against us for it. Thank God for over a year of unemployment. Nobody wants to give you a chance, even though your "minor" act of stupidity was well over 10 years ago.
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The question should be asked, what defines a felon and this should be broken down into two groups. First group would be the nonviolent felons, tax cheaters, bouncing checks crimes that are nonviolent. The second group is self explanatory, the violent felons, from assault to armed robbery etc.
Before I go any further I have to say the justice system goes too far in some or perhaps many cases for what a felon is and the penalties and restrictions once time has been served, they paid for the crime.
For the violent offenders, they should not have position of any weapon period.
As for the nonviolent and after a probation period I often wonder have we gone too far in the restriction of firearms? KEY WORD: NONVIOLENT!
If I may, I like to expand on what I said. During my 20 years in the Air Force, I had the pleasure or better put, the blessing to be in a position to assist the Local, State and Federal agencies mainly in Search & Rescue and in Law Enforcement. What I have witnessed in some cases more than most is nonviolent offenders getting themselves into trouble with the law and branding them as Felons. So where is the problem? I discussed the difference of "violent" and "nonviolent" offenders and this does have a direct impact on the family especially the children. How can a parent like a father bring up a Son with Felon branded on his forehead??? Yes, it's the price that person has to pay and should of thought about it when they did it. But for nonviolent Felon and when a period of probation set forth by the Court is passed and interdiction and monitoring by the Court has passed the real question is, should this individual gain back certain if all their rights provided this is a nonviolent individual??? Another point of view to add did this person act in a nonviolent way doing what a normal person would do, to only end up on the wrong side of the law, kinda like coming down a hill a couple of MPH over the speed limit in a controlled manner not reckless in any way??? We have all done it!
The problem I see with certain laws, somebody has a hammer like a DOT Cop and every 18 Wheeler is a nail. I have lost over $3000.00 in Lawyer fees and fines for bogus citations. Will someone explain how a Tractor & Trailer Rig governed at 62 mph claimed to do 78 mph cresting the top of a mountain climbing a steep grade several miles long? As there are bad Cops, there are bad courts loaded with Prosecutors to score, to put another notch on their belt knowing full well the defendant is innocent. In other words, your innocent, but the Prosecuting Attorney says if you plead guilty of a lower offence, you get to go your marry way down the road despite your totally innocent of any charges, you just don’t have the money to fight it. I’ve witnessed this first hand assisting Law Enforcement and as a Over the Road Driver and this is the top two reasons I didn’t pursue Law Enforcement besides my loss of hearing.
This is only for “food for thought”, all I ask is to think about it.
Remember guys, you can pick up a felony for something as simple as an illegal cable television hookup (something I'm proud to say I've never done). Anybody want to rethink their position on all convicted felons being prohibited from owning firearms?
I remember a Gentleman who had the off with their head mentality. It was interesting to see later when he fail into the category of "Convicted Felon"!
Not a good idea. A better idea would be to let them buy the license, then send someone around to see if they try to use it. Seems like a cheap and effective way to ID likely gun owning convicted felons.
Having spent over 24+ years in prison I would like to add my thought on "Game Wardens" acting out their idea of the "Thin Blue Line". Yeah, I know...PC. They are not "game wardens" any more. How nice, and they aren't "Big City Cops/State Patrolmen" either. And of course the big lie is that they have no choice in the matter of what laws that they can selectively enforce, Bull Hockey!!!! Most of the time crimes that were misdemeanors or even just warnings are now put on the books as "FELONIES". And the judges and juries are not able to say to what degree they would prosecute "THE LAW". All of that is out of their hands. They are not smart enough, legal minded enough, and they are too soft.
They let the bad guys out too often. Well, at $25,000 to over $100,000 per year that might not always be a bad idea. It costs to lock up a human being who can an does sue the State, County and even the Federal Governments to the tune of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR. And that "horrible human" that raped that very nice church going girl...gets off with the DNA proving he wasn't in the same county at the time of the crime. He gets,what, $20,$30, $40,000 a year for wrong full imprisonment. It happens every day.
So before you go and join the "Far Right/Far Out" and want to put everyone of those guys behind bars. Remember, one, you are going to pay for that ... and in some states the cost of Prisons are as much if not more than the cost to run a State School System. Most of the time we are talking about less than 100,000 inmates vs 4 or 5 MILLION students...hmmmm
And two, most and I say most people who are licensed hunters are people that actually know how to do that. I mean you don't come from the inner city, grab a gun, get a license and go out into the woods, to ... what...get lost, shot, messed up. Since most law enforcement agencies are hooked up to the National Governments computers that have a record of everyone who has even been part of the Jurist Prudent System to any degree, I would say that anyone that is that determined to "make a bust" could find out if the individual is wanted, paroled, what crime was committed, when did he commit the crime, and does he really represent a threat. Felons are not all the same. And let me tell you this...anything that we "pull" on the inmates in 2010 will be pulled on us or our children by 2015, anything. Computers and the people that control them do not want to lose any of that control for any reason.
As for my 24+ years in Prison...I was the guy that would tell the inmate what he would have to do to "qualify" to go see the "Board". Of course when they would get hit for another two years...I would have to find something else for him to do, HHHHHHmmmmmmmmm "Would you like to learn how to hunt"?????
Purchasing a firearm hunting license by an individual with a felony should not be prohibited and here's why. The two states (Michigan and South Dakota) I've lived in allow you to use a bow during the firearm season under that license. A hunter who has paid their societal debt should have the ability to still hunt if their state allows bowhunting under that license.
how many of obama's cabinet members should be felons when the rest of us would be in prison? it's not about the crime, but who commits it. our tresury secretary should be in prison but isn't because of our president! it's the same concept when it comes to new gun laws: why have new ones when we don't consistently enforce the ones we have?
Clay makes an excellent point. I'm not particularly sympathetic to felons in general, but there's a big difference between violent criminals like armed robbers and the felon who gets convicted of fraud after he falls behind on his truck payments and drives the thing into a canal. Both are wrong, but why should the second guy lose his right to hunt and defend himself. Here's my take on it: you can't legally posess a gun in prison--the serious violent felons should be let out of prison for funerals only--their own funerals! Let God decide if it's OK for them to have guns in heaven or wherever they end up.
I gotta agree with Mike.. Looks like they did a pretty good job this year picking up a big number of gun owning felons.. Chances are those men wouldn't have gotten caught with their guns if they weren't hunting..
I agree with Clay. Non violent felons should be allowed to hunt with a firearm. Hunting is recreational and good for the soul, if anything it might keep them out of trouble in the future. Hot headed violent offenders on the other hand can learn to use a bow as far as I'm concerned.
Remember when the Federal Law took into affect, if you have been charged with assault and battery, you are not allowed to posses a firearm. Sue put allot of good Veteran Law Enforcement Officer out of work. When good goes bad or is it when bad goes good?
All good answers,But the reason missing is that of Gun Control!This is just one of many backdoor LIBERAL schemes to get more and more control over our Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Can you say George Saros,M. Bloomberg for that matter the majority of the democrats.
If you have not been convicted of a "violent" crime,I see no reason why your rights to possess a firearm while hunting should be affected.
The add money back into DNR and then tip off cops that they are most likely using a gun. And people say that criminals aren't smart.
This is another time when I am stepping up to the line with Clay, Many "felons" have been convicted of nonviolent crimes or have been otherwise whipsawed by circumstance. Since the creation of Private for profit prisons and the defunding of any sort of rehab there are social entities who see their role as packing the prisons full in order that private individuals can enrich themselves at the expense of the government and the individuals so degraded. I am personally only in favor of incarcerating those who actually pose a threat to other people or who have hurt others and show signs of doing it again. Restitution for thieves and castration for rapists, the fact that we now put more people in jail than any other nation on the planet puts the lie to America the land of the free AND is part of what is crushing our economic system. We simply can't afford to keep so many people locked up.
Me, I'm a good girl, ain't even had a speeding ticket in 5 years. Perhaps this makes me that annoying person trundling down the highway at 55 while the traffic blows by me at 80, but hey, I'm free (mostly).
I have heard of a lot of hunters loosing their gun privileges for felonies done decades previously, often for misdeeds they thought they had already paid for. What good does it do for a repentant criminal to pay his dues to society if the powers that be never let him live it down? While I understand that there are elements in our society who are working to create a closed two tiered society with a privileged upper class and a disenfranchised underclass but those people who would want such a thing are traitors to the American way of freedom and equality for all.
In Michigan a bow, crossbow or a Black powder rifle can be used during rifle deer season so any convicted felon can hunt legally. Therefore prohibiting them from obtaining any kind of hunting license would be unconstituional. A black powder rifle,capable of killing a deer, bear, or other big game is NOT A FIREARM under federal law. They can be purchased without any paperwork at any licensed dealer!
"First group would be the nonviolent felons, tax cheaters, bouncing checks crimes that are nonviolent."
To heck with that. Violent, nonviolent, none of them should be allowed to own firearms until a judge reviews their behavior after they've completed their sentence and restores their rights. I'd throw a serial nonviolent felon into the electric chair as fast as I'd throw a violent felon there. Repeat felons aren't worth the dirt they walk on.
I am a retired Law Enforcement Officer and I agree with those who say we should divide the violent from the nonviolent. A young man breaks into a hunting cabin and with 2 buddies steal a TV valued at $250.00 which is a felony. Do you think at 5o years old that person should not be alowed to hunt. I think they should have their priviledge restored. Several of my Law Enforcement friends feel the same way.
P.S. On the original question, I agree with Mike & SD, cross-referencing hunting licenses with the list of convicted felons is a great law enforcement tool.
i think its good and bad
good:more money, hire more people =more jobs
bad:people dont get caught right away, could get away
I'm with Clay and Bella on this although we've been down this road before.
Fortunately most states has provisions whereby convicted felons may petition the governor and have their full rights restored. When I applied for my C&R Federal Firearms License there is a place on the questionaire for applicants to check if they have been convicted felons and have had their rights restored.
The bad news is that in some states I read that for one to have full rights restored including the right to possess firearms, one either has to be a somebody or be a part of a somebody's family, or have enough money to hire a very expensive lawyer and lobbyist to get through the system.
Like it or not, we must remember that firearm ownership is not a privelege, it's a right. If one is permitted to get back any of one's rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, then one is entitled to all those rights.
Clay you were referring to the heinous Lautenberg Amendment.
The problem is that if you start carving out exceptions for non-violent felons, some day some idiot ACLU attorney is going to try to make the argument that child molestation is not a violent crime where no injury occurred (as in a simple touching). Well, it is - period. Then you get to the point of involuntary manslaughter - and that same idiot ACLU attorney will try to make the argument that if the involuntary manslaughter doesn't have a violent misdemeanor involved in the charge, then "should it really be a felony?" Pandora's box will be opened by the carving out of exceptions (see the tax code). If the felon can't vote without getting his rights restored through the proper channels, then shy should he be allowed to carry a firearm - even to hunt?
Then comes the question - if a non-violent felon can own and possess a gun for hunting only, what will he claim every time the police question him about his firearm? "Oh, I just have that for hunting." Really!? At noon in the mall parking lot? There just is no real clear-cut answer to this, and the system is not set up to take care of it on a case-by-case basis, except for the right of the felon to have his jury trial after he already breaks the law that he knows is on the books. I mean really; can a person claim to NOT KNOW he is a convicted felon or NOT KNOW that as a convicted felon he can't own a firearm?
Last thoughts - I promise . . . 1) felons are liars by nature, and 2) drug crimes aren't necessarily violent crimes, but is there anyone who can claim with a straight face to believe that a person with drugs and money on his person at the same time he has a firearm on him is not violent, in that he is prepared to shoot and/or kill to protect those drugs and that money? Would a tax cheat kill to stay out of prison? Where is the line drawn? There is no rational reason for allowing felons to own and possess firearms.
I don't get it, nearly every comment posted for or against felons hunting or possessing a gun failed to truly understand the basic issue here. YOU ARE NOT A FELON ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR SENTENCE AND FINISHED WITH YOUR PROBATIONARY PERIOD....YOU ARE AN "EX" FELON. A simple search of the United States Constitution would tell all but the most blinded and ignorant that our country was founded not only on the right to keep and bear arms, but also the premise that once a person has paid thier dues to society, they are to retain all those rights, even the right to own a gun. It matters not how you FEEL about this subject, the reasons for it being placed in our founding documents are many and inarguable. Our founders knew from experience that if you start arbitrarily taking rights away from any one group for what seems like good cause, soon all rights would be at the mercy of one interest group or another. I cannot stress this enough, it does not matter what your reasons for targeting ex felons are, they are wrong and counter productive in a free society, leading only down the road to some sort of dictatorship and an elitist ruling class with many willing to go along in the hopes of being a part of that elitist ruling class. I knew this without being told it by the time I was fourteen years old and cannot fathom how adults in thier thirties and forties can still not get it, still fall for the line of thinking that anyone convicted of a crime is somehow less worthy of the rights we must all fight to enjoy.
As a convicted felon and an avid Wisconsin hunter I'd like to weigh in on this one. It is my God-given and Constitutional right to hunt. I am a bowhunter. I don't know how any felon buys a gun hunting license but that's pretty pathetic of our govt. to allow that. There's enough laws as it is in this country these days, we certainly don't need any more. Simply start running background checks on anyone buying a gun license and the problem is solved. I'm amazed anyone with a record would even have the balls to try to get a gun hunting license. You'd get in an enormous amount of trouble if you got caught. These guys are all idiots. Plus they make those of us who did one stupid thing a very long time ago look bad too and call into question our integrity and whether or not we should be allowed to hunt or whatnot. I'm glad the DNR is out there doing what we pay them to do though and busting these idiots. I love hunting and fishing, and I hope a few don't spoil it for the rest of us. As far as the law in Wisconsin goes, depending on what you're charged with, your right to vote is restored, but you will always be a "felon" as ;long as you live. Only a governor's pardon can take that away. I wasn't convicted of anything bad so I'm allowed to vote, and I should be. I, like all felons though, am never again allowed to possess a firearm or hold public office nor obtain most licenses. It's virtually impossible to get a job after 2001 with a felony as well. So we are stuck fighting for them and quoting laws to employers to convince them they can't discriminate against us for it. Thank God for over a year of unemployment. Nobody wants to give you a chance, even though your "minor" act of stupidity was well over 10 years ago.
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