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December 29, 2010

Sarah and the Caribou

By David E. Petzal

I have, to date, avoided the subject of Sarah Palin. However, when I learned that there was a tape of her shooting a caribou, I was overwhelmed by curiosity and watched it. It was, to say the least, less than I had hoped for. Mrs. Palin missed the creature six times. She apparently doesn’t know how to work the bolt on a rifle, because her guide keeps yanking it away from her to cycle the action. She apparently doesn’t know that you don’t shoot at running game. For reasons that are unclear, the camera is not on her when the fatal shot is fired. Is it possible she was not the one who pulled the trigger?

Mrs. Palin is in great demand as a pro-gun, pro-hunting speaker. Fine. But if you’re going to advertise yourself as a person who is the real thing, an honest-to-goodness taker of big game, not a person who poses for the camera with a rifle, learn how to shoot for heaven’s sake.

People who don’t hunt will see this performance and think it’s typical of all of us, since Palin has been selling herself as a hell of a hunter. Maybe she should take a couple of shooting lessons. Or more than a couple.

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from huntenthusiest wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps they should have edited a few of the missed shots too if in fact they faked the killing shot. They also claimed after the hunt that they target shot the two different rifles used and said they were off zero.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

So many things bothered me about that episode, chief among them that her dad said he was packing "a varmint rifle" for Sarah because she didn't like recoil (a varmint rifle on a caribou hunt?) and the fact that she didn't work the bolt herself.

Stuff happens, scopes get knocked out of alignment (her dad had fallen while carrying the gun earlier in the episode). And all of us were beginners at some point and our Dads helped us carry the gun and maybe even work the bolt (though most of us were not adults at this point). My big beef is that Sarah seems to put out this big tough gun-girl hunter image and it's becoming apparent that it is, at the very least, a big exaggeration. If you don't hunt that much and you need some help, fine! Just don't pretend otherwise for political gain.

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from ckRich wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well stated Mr. Petzal! I couldn't agree more.

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from Mr. Creosote wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Isn't that screech-voiced harpie the keynote speaker at SCI this year? Maybe she could get a few lessons from her wealthy, adoring, high-fence-loving throngs...

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from horseman308 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm certain this will put many readers off, but I think this is typical of Palin. I was not at all surprised by it. Basically, she's all mouth, no substance. While her stance on hunting and gun rights is something I agree with, I would rather not be represented by someone who apparently can't perform the activities and tasks for which she would be the spokesperson. And, sadly, this does not stop with hunting - I have yet to hear her say anything to convince me she has the training, education, or natural intelligence to run the country. If she couldn't hack the pressure of being governor of Alaska for a full term, why would she be any better equipped to be in the White House?

For whatever reason, we as the hunting public have yet to come up with a candidate to represent us who does not make us look like morons or fanatics, and it bothers me more than I can state.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You must have missed the episode with Kate Goslin where Sara took her to a bear attack course and she pumped two 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge slugs into the kill zone on a charging bear target from 40 feet, that showed some pump gun skill. Maybe Dave should offer his no B.S. rifle course to Sara, that would be entertaining for sure!

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Interesting thoughts about Sarah's caribou hunt. Nevertheless, the outdoorsmen are much better off with a national figure proudly showing off their family hunting tradition on national television. It is about time.

Also, we shouldn't shoot at running game? Visit a hunting party in the north woods where many members still use a 94 winchester with a peep and you will realize that this rule does not work in all conditions.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As for Mrs. Palin not being a good representative of the outdoor community, I suggest we play the hand we are dealt...........we are not going to get another one at this level.

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

NO! Say it ain't true!

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm with Dave. Ms.Palin seems amateurish to say the least in several regards as far as hunting, shooting and the outdoors are concerned. If you're going to misrepresent yourself, avoid the cameras. I hope we Conservatives can come up with a better representative, spokesperson, candidate, or all three. Shame on you Sarah.

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from Douglas wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Most politicians, of all stripes, are buffoons because those who could represent real people have too much sense to get involved in the political games.
There just ain't anyone to vote for out there.
Now, if DE Petzel were to step up....

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sort of like our friend John Kerry's description of 'crawling on his belly with his double barreled shotgun deer hunting' or Slick Willie's staged duck hunt. God bless 'em one and all, they try hard don't they...

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from x1jett wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

An epic exhibition of unsurpassed buffoonery. A complete embarrassment for competent and ethical hunters.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I agree with the "most politicians" statement; however, since we need a representative at the highest national level - please read that to be president - I suggest that we do not bash Mrs. Palin too strongly. It seems very unlikely that we will get another potential candidate that will not filter her words and not move toward the middle She is polarizing - take that to mean that she says what she thinks. It may not be the best strategy to get elected - but if she does, some of the guess work regarding interpretation will be removed.

In other words, we will know what she is thinking, and that she understands the hunting and outdoor tradition. We (as a group) also must compromise on a candidate. Look around and let me know if anyone sees anyone else getting as much air time.............

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from Tim.T wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Right on Dave, but you left out the unethical part.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Caribou hunting in the subartic is most often a meat hunt. What was unethical? missing?

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

OK, F & S! What for you edit and censor my previous post past the 1st paragraph? NO swear words, nor profanity...although there is more than enough to swear and be profane about. Indeed, nothing not heard on prime time news or network programing.

I'm disappointed. tsk. tsk. :-)

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from T3climbr wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As a conservative Republican, and as a gun-lover and hunter, I STILL don't understand the why others who claim similar labels think this woman is even vaguely close to being "Presidential material"! Not only is she ignorant -- she is a fake!

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Willegge: Since you've actually seen Ms. Palin shoot, perhaps you can enlighten us as to the following:

1. One of the first things you learn as a hunter is that any scoped rifle which has been dropped is automatically suspect and should not be shot at game until it's been checked and re-zeroed if necessary. Why did Ms. Palin and her guides ignore this basic rule?

2. When you saw her shoot, what kind of guns (rifle, handgun, shotgun) did she use? What calibers/gauges? What distance? What did she shoot at? How often did she hit? When did all this take place?

3. On what basis do you say her knowledge was "superb?"

We all await your answers. I may have done Ms. Palin a terrible injustice, which only you can help correct.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Name an elected president from the last 20 years that could truthfully be described as "presidential material". Labels or not, genuine or not, we may have her on the ballot. We had best resolve to support that which we may be given.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Maybe Clay Cooper could volunteer some Alaska shooting tips and training? He has the Alaska experience and is schooled in the art of marksmanship. He is also a big Sarah Palin fan, I think. Just a thought.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Given the choice between Sara and Obama or some other anti-gun Liberal hack I think Sara is the way to go.

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from BlackDiamond70 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You know, they all processed that meat, put it in their freezer, and because a father is always going to try to help his kids, no matter what age. He dropped the rifle, she took that animal, hauled out the meat, and the personn who thinks Palin is a fake. You're not conservative, you're a liberal, you attack when you can't hold your own on with answers. Are you just jealous? She did a fine job and so did her dad. And she's got my vote, when and if she decides to run for the presidency. They're stopping the sale of ammo in California Jan.1st, 2011, little by little, the anti gun people are taking away our rights, and abilities to own and use a weapon, fun hunting or self protection. So I wonder if you could have done this hunt, or if you're a couch comentater, with nothing better to do than whine! We need a leader like her at the helm of this ship, America, And showing your jealousy, shows your ignorance! Get a life, before they're out of them. My gosh, what a bunch of weenies! Get you a show and show us how its really done, or juwt whut up, so the rest of us can enjoy Mrs. Palin's show, where she shows us all, just how down home and a real person she really is!
TM

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from elmer f. wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

geesh, if anyone caught me on tape shooting an missing any game animal 6 times, i would make absoloutly certain that the tape got destroyed. can i miss? certainly. it happens to all of at one time or another. and hunting with a hoard of people right there with you, can not be the easiest situation either. but come on, 6 TIMES! even if the scope went screwy, stop shooting after 3 anyway. stuff happens, but to just continuing to sling lead downrange shows poor shooting skills, judgement, and ethics.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Repeat from message board I posted earlier,

Sportsman conduct

I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even form the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your BEST FRIEND the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while one prefers a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

As for SP’s video, I will agree if you’re going to put something out for the entire world to see, at least look good at doing it or just save it for Family viewing. At least “The Best and Worst of Tred Barta” does it as humanly possible as one can with skill. By the way, what’s the latest word on him?

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Hil

Having 4 years solid experience hunting in Alaska , you don't need a cannon to bring down a Caribou, any deer rifle will do period. The best cartridge I've witnessed is the 270 loaded with 130 grain Hornady Soft Points.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WAM

As for Sarah Palin, She has my total support as do other Sportsmen, WHY?

-Will Durant said it best!

"The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority."

I rest my case!

PS.

I would find it to be a honor to spend an hour or what ever it takes to give Governor Sarah Palin a miniature shooting clinic as for anyone else.

It's the American Sportsmanship to do!

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I was also disappointed with the Palin shooting episode when I first watched it but after some thought I realized she had many chances to edit the film to show her a hero. She did not. I will give her some credit for that.

Second. Nominees for president are not elected based upon intellect. They must first "look the part" then have some ability to be coached to speak the party language. If the background check comes back clean then maybe intellect will come into play.

In 2008 Palin simply fit the part to gain minority votes for the Republican Party. She has far out lived her 15 mins of fame.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay, I've never hunted caribou or anything else in Alaska and I'm sure you're right about any size deer rifle being more than adequate. But at the beginning of the episode when they were packing for the hunt, Sarah's dad specifically said "grab the varmint rifle for Sarah." When I think varmint rifle it generally isn't in deer-size calibers, but maybe there is some overlap.

I do agree with those who point out that she's the most pro-hunting candidate we're likely to ever get, and that's about as much as we can ask for!

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from JCB wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I vote to send Dave to Alaska to give Sara some lessons. The gun she was using was her dad's and he had taken a fall with the rifle previously. Obviously the scope got knocked out of alignment. She may not be the best gun owner/politician, but she is at least on our side.

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dear David Petzal , seems like your a bit of a girl when it comes to being questioned. If you would watched the full episodes, which you obviously did not, that shows her shoot and handle different guns, it would answer your three camouflaged 1. 2. 3. questions. Why don't you and the other critiques just admit it, that if it had showed Sarah Palin as a perfect shooter the kind that Annie Oakley would have envied, you bunch still would have found something else. Your dishonest sir, and that's what I'm criticizing. You wrote a camouflaged hunting hit piece. Secondly her father and his friend are genuine hunters who live it, not like half of the weekend wanna bee critics on this site, and they were ethical in all they did, it was for the meat. Thank God we have some one like Sarah Palin who is lifting up a dying tradition of a Dad hunting with his children and the idea of hunting to fill the freezer. Advice to you Mr. Petzal don't allow your bias to make Field And Stream Another, Let's Crucify Sarah Palin RAG. We need good women like her to help protect and encourage our traditions and rights.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps a "varmint rifle" refers to a wolf caliber. But I have to question Sarah's judgment in allowing that footage to be shot in the first place.
I like her style, but I am afraid of what might happen if she runs as a third party candidate in 2012.
She could do a Ross Perot hatchet job on whomever receives the GOP nomination.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Good point, 99. Where I'm from, "varmint" means coyotes and fox, definitely not wolves!

I did have to laugh when Sarah said "Dad, does it kick?" He said no and she tells the other guy, "He always says that!" Sounds like my dad. :)

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from 007 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I feel like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here so I beg your patience for a bit. Mrs. Palin reminds me a bit of Ted Nugent and to a point, the NRA. Is she the best possible politically visible representative of the outdoors, willing to speak up? Maybe not, but until someone better steps to the plate, she's about all we have. I haven't seen any other national candidates willing to stand in the glaring light of public opinion. Lots of folks don't like Nuge's pony tail and choice of music, lots of folks don't care for some of the deals the NRA has struck, the recent thing with Harry Reid being an example, but until something better comes along, we need to stick with what we have. Just my opinion.

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Mr Petzal, you're about two weeks late to this debate. Check previous blogs. Chad Love's...Dec 13th.
One thing obvious,from the previous blog and from this one, no one's mind will be changed as to their opinions, political and otherwise, on Governor Palin. Regardless of her success, skill or not on the hunt.
So, just stirring the pot a little are you? Slow week?
You watched the show? Her "guide" (s) was her 72 y.o. (?)father and a long time family friend. Did you see the parts of the show that demonstrated his knowledge and years in Alaska? Or the abilities of the bush pilots and hunting camp managers? Or them butchering and storing their own meats? How many of the Saturday morning experts have you actually seen field dressing and wrapping their kills on TV? Not that they don't but heaven forbid TV shows them doing it. Some little weenie might get queasy.
The show later showed that the first rifle was definitely out of alignment, not her shooting. (But that's never happened before, right? all you great hunters?) One shot wonders!
This wasn't an instructional video on how to do everything perfectly. You can see those on Saturday mornings, where every buck is a trophy and they all come within 15 yards.
It (and the other shows in the series) are videos about where and how their family lives, and a travelogue for Alaska. We should all be so fortunate.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1st off this whole Sara Palin 6 shot caribou dsicusion is getting old and ragged like Hillary Clinton! HA! DEP, I got Clinton in this one before you! Anyhow what this whole debate boils down to is who likes SP and who does not and nothing more. If you go back and read every last post from every article featured on F&S it started out with Sara not being a hunter and ended with her not being presidential material both of which is political BS. It is dishearting to hear all of you fight over a fellow hunter/semi-hunter. Who really cares how many shots it took? The facts are the gun was dropped and scope wasn't on, dumb rookie mistake which all of us have made and not many will admit to it or are just to damn proud to say so. The point is she is promoting hunting to millions of viewers and some of you are concerened what other treehugging, pot smoking, ken and barbie car driving, homosexual, environazi, ect... think of you? Get real no matter whether she made a 1 shot 1 kill she and us are still murderers in their eyes and as far as I'm concerened they can kiss my @$$ and scrogg a goat I don't give a damn about those people and neither should you. It is just a convient excuse to bash on SP. Why don't you focus your political issues on political issues. Try critizing our current president and all the things he has done wrong and I challenge you to point out one thing he has done correct to date.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Again, I must emphasize that "United We Stand"......we had best get behind the potential candidate that openly supports the Sportsman's agenda, indeed the U.S. Constitution.

Bickering and in-fighting over the technique Ms. Palin used to take a caribou is not the issue. The fact that she had the guts to display to the nation her family heritage - hunting - IS the issue. We should take note of anyone with that type of conviction - especially someone that is a POTENTIAL FRONT RUNNER.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Willegge: I don't see answers to any of my questions. How about it? We're all waiting.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

99

One of the favorite varmint rifles in Alaska is the 25-06 which has plenty of steam to knock down any Caribou! By the way, 243's with 105 grain is a bit small in my book (I prefer 25-06), but I've witnessed Junior Shooters knockem down just as well. O'ya, varmint rifle include shooting wolves too!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hil

To answer your question,

Yes a portion of the spectrum of the use and ability of varmint cartridges and deer cartridges do in fact overlap.

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from coleprice59 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

First, let's focus on the positive. Sarah advocated for hunters and did a pretty good job making the argument that in many parts of America (and the world), people depend upon meat from hunting for sustenance. What caught my eye is that she didn't know how to cycle the bolt on her rifle and that she missed because the rifle wasn't zeroed. Verifying that your gun is shooting accurately prior to using it on an animal is an important ethical consideration for hunters. Please note that once she was handed a rifle that shot where she was aiming, the animal was killed with the next shot. Although some of the comments expressed surprise that someone might be hunting caribou with a "varmint rifle", it's important to remember that a .243 is a varmint cartridge and a .22-250 is as well, both of which have plenty of power to dispatch a caribou (although it may not be legal with the .22-250) if using the right bullet and placement is in the boiler room, neck or brain.

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from dasmith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

First off let me address the running game statement, in a perfect world you might not have to shoot at a running animal but, in the real world if you want to eat you may have to shoot at running game. In the Catskills (NY) the fast shooting carbines are used because you may only get a shot at moving game. If Mrs Palin is like many hunters including myself "buck or doe" fever can be a real factor in missing game. I was always happy when I missed the first doe, then I would be settled down enough to score a hit on the next one. Of course it would look bad to those who don't know that things go wrong when hunting. She seemed to do well with an m16 so maybe a Remington 750 or Browning BAR would be a better choice and has less recoil.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

ROFLMAO!

O’MAN!

Does this bring backs memories!

Dar I wuz!

Holloman AFB New Mexico and we were having tryouts for the Base Team and a couple of those trying out were just cutting down a young teenage Girl shooting 50 Meter Small Bore. They were saying they can take their Ruger 10-22 and out shoot her. Yep, when we counted there score, we didn’t count the score; we counted the hits on paper. As for that Young Teenager shooting 50 Meters? Just a couple of months later June 86 it wuz, this suppose to be an easy knock off was trying out for the Olympics at The NRA Whittington Center at Raton New Mexico. As for those other individuals, they didn’t even come close to making the cut!

If you’re going to shoot off your mouth, don’t you think you should be able to shoot first?! !?! LOL!
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By the way, in the video I notice Sarah not walking and moving so good. Good chance she too had a spill or two and those Alaska rocks are just as hard and as unforgiving as any place else! I've had my fair share of spills and I would walk like that and so will you :)

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Some still think hunting Alaska is the same as there hunts in Margaritaville!

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Unca Dave, who is not known for his liberality, is all of a sudden being trashed as a liberal by the Right Wing Ideologues because he makes some honest observations of Sarah P. I'm certain he is suprised to suddenly be considered so progressive. Of course anybody who doesn't toe the Right wing line is bound to be bashed, especially if their pin up girl Sarah gets dissed.
Well, polling shows that only 18% of Alaskans have a good opinion about her and it is safe to say that nobody with any actual political savvy thinks Ms. Palin is in any respect a "viable" candidate. Most people seem to think she is a fake even though a few "true believers" still seem to think she is the best thing since sliced bread.
Thank you, Unca Dave, I at least appreciate your opinion.
I don't reject Sarah because she is pro hunting or pro gun, I am pro hunting and progun, I object to her because she doesn't believe in equality of all citizens, Her notions of "fiscal responsibility" don't make sense from an accounting perspective, she is against the separation of church and state and all the policies I have heard her espouse are irresponsible gifts to corporate Amerika that would in the long run only further the class warfare that has already dispossessed hundreds of thousands of her fellow citizens just to benefit only the Richest 2%. However many Democrats hope and pray that she will be the Republican nominee in 2012, because they are so certain she will go down in flames bigtime. So there is the possibility that many of the pro Palin voices could actually be Democrats hoping to set her up for that fall.

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from Bob81 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

"You're not conservative, you're a liberal, you attack when you can't hold your own on with answers. Are you just jealous? She did a fine job and so did her dad. And she's got my vote, when and if she decides to run for the presidency."

Bristol? Is that you??

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

There you go again!

Tell me, where in the Constitution does it say "the separation of church and state"?

Wishful thinking Bella for trying again to pass false information again!

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By the way, if you see a Savage Muzzle Loader for sale, grab it! One on the internet started at $600 and sold for $1600!

WOW!

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Oooo. Read Chad Love's story. DP, thou has failed to trump.

I welcome you to my club. :-)

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, Would you take a moment and read my prior post which is several above yours? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS SO PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONE!

Fiscal responsibilty is simple and she has simply stated in the past, and that being of common sense: " If you do not have the money to spend on something then don't buy it", sounds like pretty sound advice to me. Please explain to me what doesn't make sense with this statement, I'm curious as to what is wrong with it? I have had to pass up buying things that I didn't have the money for and refused to put it on a credit card. I suppose I'm fiscally irresponsible or niave?

Yes, I know I just started a political discussion after saying this has nothing to do with it.

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from rock rat wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You all quit raggin on Sarah or I'm a gonna just up and start crying like a baby!!!!!

As for here claiming to be a big hunter then blasting away and missing a bunch and Mr P doesn't know who shot the last shot all I can say is give me a break, she's a Republican for crying out loud, you want her to be truthful?

Thinking of switching just so I can vote for her in the primaries.

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from kraftysue wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm not a hunter so I have a question. When one shoots at a caribou why does it just stand there? Why doesn't it run away like most game at the sound of gunfire?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Margaritaville calling!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

kraftysue

Caribou don't have a clue what's happening and everything going on is totally alien to them. Have a dog spotted and they go into overdrive! I've had them look at me and walk up within 100 yards or less trying to figure what am I.

Curious yes, stupid too!

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from NYRifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Come on folks. Dave Petzal made some good observations, and again the whole SP Universe is coming unglued, again.
Please remember, it's a damned TV show that Palin's got. It ain't an unedited family movie. She's got writers, sponsors, script editors, financial backers, political advisors, wardrobe and makeup staff, at least 2 camera men (check the angles, folks), sound men, lighting and prop staff, with their trailers, and film editors. What you saw is what her producers and backers wanted you to see. Still getting your flags up, seeing red blood and pouncing for game.
And, as good sportsmen and hunters, let's not forget the ancient alliance between hunters and conservationists. For instance, if the prairie potholes (lakes, wetlands) in the Midwest had been destroyed in the 1920's by lousy wall-to-wall farming practices, there would be no ducks and no duck hunting. Same thing now with the health of our streams, lakes and forests, and the ability to still have plentiful fish and game for us - whether for sport or for survival. We're losing the battle to have sustainable Pacific salmon in the lower 48, and closed minded thinking won't save their runs.
This isn't black and white, and sorry, but the star-spangled SP is still missing the boat big time in my long experience.

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I didn't say whether separation of church and state was in the Constitution or not, I just stated that Sarah P. doesn't believe in it, She's all for a State Religion, especially if it is her religion.
What is in the Constitution is that Americans are free to practice whatever religion they prefer, whether that be Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Pagan. Sarah has made it plain that she considers the questionable morality of her sect to be the only possible set of choices, so one can infer that she will always react with bias based on her Fundamentalist belief system rather than act with fairness. The Constitution infers that all religions are equal and that no preference should be given to one creed over another, whether it comes of Judeochristian roots or from other spiritual sources, like the faith of the Lakotah Sun Dancers or the reverence that millions hold for the 14th Dali Lama. But Sarah makes it plain that if in power she would impose her religious tenants on us all, regardless of our preferences. This is fine for those of you who share her particular sort of narrow mindedness, but not for anybody who realizes just how important freedom of religion is to our liberty. You wouldn't like it if some Mooney got themself elected and then imposed the lunacy of the Unification Church on the citizenry, why should it be any different with Sarah.
So I reject your claim that I have posted an iota of false information, Clay and as to whether the separation of church and state is in the Constitution or not, it's a very good idea! You forget that keeping the Government and Religion firewalled from one another protects your right to worship as you please (and Sarah's as well) as much as my right to worship in the way I feel right and proper. If you don't like the separation of church and state, it is probably because you think your particular sect has some divine right to hegemony (like the Mormons, for instance). Well I refudiate your "sacred destiny" and call it noxious, as I have no interest in being hegemonized thankyou very much. You really don't want to be "God's Chosen People", it always ends badly *(read the book!). Anybody with the Egotism to claim such usually uses it for an excuse for bad behavior and the karmic backlash usually wipes nearly everybody out.
After all look at Hitler, he declaimed "Gott Mitt Uns" quite a bit and good Germans believed every word of it, but the "thousand year reich" lasted less than a decade.
No, claiming to be "God's chosen" historically always ends badly. It is far more important to realize that we are all human beings, and we are all a lot closer related than you might think.

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from mudpuppy wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Just how har dcan it be for people to realize the girls is just plaing the odds that most of us are idiot enough to validate anything she has to offer. I did not have to watch the mini-me expose to figure it was a fake, much like the candidate.

Blow me up, put me on the porch so's everyone can see!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!'
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'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
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'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
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'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom,
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'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
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'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Oh and Dcast, the fiscally irresponsible bit is cutting taxes for people who are doing really really well at the expense of everyone else. The wealthiest 2% are not only the ones most able to pay taxes, they are also the sole segment of the population that has maid gains economically in this recent disaster. Why shouldn't people who have actually profited at the dispossession of their fellow citizens be taxed at a higher rate than the benighted middle class? We've put billions into bailouts (that I didn't approve of)why shouldn't the rates of the Richest be higher than others, FDR taxed 'em at 90% to pay for WWII, Why with all the Wars Sarah wants to fight doesn't she want to fund her government from the only people making money off it it?!
Another fiscally irresponsible notion that one can raise revenue by cutting programs, which adds nothing to the budget. Then there is this tired devotion to the "trickle down" theory, which has never worked and never will work, but keeps on being brought up as if it ever did do anything useful for the economy. Sarah would reward the same people who are responsible for crippling the nation by shipping our industrial capacity overseas where they could make more money and not have to pay benefits to American workers. Do the math!

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Mr. Petzal , I didn't mean to make yer nose bleed. I've made my case and you know it. You need to examine your own heart sir. And Check Out all of Sarah Palin's Alaska. Happy Hunting.

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Bella , just want you to know I did not trash your unca Dave , I simply challenged his honesty. Just giving out the same measure as he gave out. No hate here. Happy hunting

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from gdcksn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I find all this pretty interesting.When I watched the show with Kate Gossellin, I thought it was strange that Mrs.Palin had to go buy a bear gun and didn't seem to have much knowledge about what was needed and that they didn't already have one after living in Alaska all this time.That kind of shot a lot of the shows credit for me.And this just adds fuel to that fire

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

Let me get this right,

Bella- needs to payoff your debt and to pay for health coverage and worked 70 hours this last pay period.

Ol'Joe- demands not to put in no more than 36 hours in and demands full benefits.

Both have been paid and despite all the work and rewards Bella has put in, Ol'Joe wants not only the same pay for less work, he wants free benefits!

Tax time comes around and all Bella's work was for nothing and Ol'Joe is now enjoying his new ride and Imax entertainment system while Bella is refinancing her house just to pay bills!

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I find it funny for those in New York complaining about no sidewalk plows. In Alaska, we called it a shovel!

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“It is my right to be uncommon...if I can; I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stole calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done, and this is what it means to be an American.”
-Dean Alfrange

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from chadlove wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Just wanted to point out that the Sarah Palin Field Notes blog post several of you have mentioned was merely a link-driven news item, not an original opinion piece as Mr. Petzal's is.

Two completely different beasts, so I don't think there's any validity to the argument that this blog post is old news.

Just sayin'...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One more thing Bella and see if I get this right.

Without a Government taking care of you and without handouts (Government charity), your one worthless soul and so is everyone else.

Is this correct?

Listening to you it is!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Chad!

Welcome to the other side Son!

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from Phil1227 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

well said, I totaly agree

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To All: Just to make things perfectly clear, as Tricky Dickie used to say, I have nothing against Sarah Palin's politics. That is because I have no idea what they are. Nor do I have any idea what most politicians are about, except in the following instances:

I believe that John Behner is the first Speaker of the House who clearly needs psychiatric help.

I believe that the price for Sen. Mary Landrieu's vote is $30 million.

I believe that Sen. Barbara Feinstein believes that no American should own a handgun except Sen. Barbara Feinstein.

I believe that Sen. Chuck Schumer believes that no American should own any gun, including Sen. Feinstein.

I believe that Rep. Barney Frank is living proof that the people of Massachusetts will send just about any life form to Congress.

That's as far as my political knowledge goes.

To Willegge: No, I'm not convinced. Checked my nose; not bleeding. Checked my heart. Can't find it. I'm not about to watch her show. She has a voice that would worm a St. Bernard. In any event, good hunting to you and a Happy New Year.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I noticed Sara didn't get smacked in the eyebrow with the scope and bleed all over the place like Dave does quite reguarly, I'm guessing it requires 30 years of experience with scoped rifles and write gun stories for Field and Stream to accomplish that trick on a regular basis.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

For crying out loud! Where did all these one-star, one post Rubes come from in the first place? Sounds like a bunch of whining sniveling wussies just looking for someone to pick on.

Palin and DEP are just the targets du jour. DEP made an honest observation of the situation as depicted on TV, with which most of you would agree with if it were Bill Jordan, Mssr Waddell, or the illustrious Stan Potts making a fool of themselves shooting.

ONE_POST WONDERS, TEN-HUT!

BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE, TROLLS!

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from JohnR wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave P. your last post concerning politics still has me laughing! Personally I enjoyed that episode and that's one of the only two I viewed. I enjoyed it because I got to see some of Alaska since I will most likely never make it there.
I understand where you are coming from because there are people such as PETA, and other animal rights whackos that could cut up her video, re-splice it and use it to portray hunters as careless, negligent nincompoops.
As far as politics go, this thread wasn't really about politics.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whohoo, a voice that would worm a St. Bernard!
That Says it all, Unca Dave, that's why you is the head gun nut!

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank God someone of your stature, not statue, stated the obvious. I lost my thing for her when she gave up the governor position in Alaska. She's all about money and herself.

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

The point is that Ms. Palin attempts to pass herself off as a "lifelong hunter" as such,in Alaska,at a remote camp,you would not walk through a creek that's over the tops of your boots,you would not attempt to shoot an animal with a scoped rifle that was carried and hit the ground in a fall,you would know how to cycle the bolt action rifle properly,being a "lifelong hunter" you would not ask "does it kick",and finally you would not keep shooting the rifle when it's either shooting way off,or the shooter is way off.
As someone else pointed out,Sarah did do okay with the 12 gauge bear practice-but-why,after having lived in Alaska for a considerable amount of time was she just getting a "bear gun"?
Far too many of the things on the show seem to be first-time experiences for Ms. Palin,and all her gear seems to be brand new too.

I agree with Mr. patzal-she needs to take some shooting lessons,wheter it's her .243 (?) "varmint" rifle,or a .338 mag,or a 30-06,or a 300 Win.mag, or a .308,the lady needs to improve her skills.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I enjoyed the summary of DEP's political beliefs, although a couple of them are in need of correction:
Rep. John Boehner's immediate predecesor as Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, was more likely the first Speaker delusional enough to benefit from psychiatric help.
Sen. Chuck Schumer has a Concealed Handgun Permit in New York City, so he obviously believes that at least one American should own a handgun.
Just my two cents worth.

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from dickgun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well, Dave,
You lit a few firecrackers with this one - just a couple of days early!
I came to AK the year of Statehood and never left. I have shaken the hand and talked with every Governor including Gov Palin. Some were better than others, all were politicians. I do find it interesting (sometimes amusing) to see how many experts on AK exist. Some have been to AK and some have not. Reminds me of a few bear hunters I have guided who after a 7 - 10 bear hunt in AK became an expert on all things about bear and bear hunting.
I will make this comment regarding Gov. Palin. After 12-16 years worth of Governors who refused to accept and deal with the fact that if we continued our path the wolves would outnumber the ungulates. She immediately attacked the problem and a program was developed that enabled both the State and private residents to begin a meaningful reduction of the wolf population. They said it couldn't be done. It continues effectively after she moved on to bigger and better? things.
President? Well the man we now have in the White House is, reputedly, the smartest, the most intelligent human ever to occupy the office. His cerebral layer is so advanced that it has been said that he is actually bored with the mundane activities of Governing. Are you happy now?

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from Dale Boyles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

A spelling lesson David: It's BOEHNER and he demonstrated his patriotism when he made the speech you probably are referring to.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

David, see what you went and started! LOL!!!

Ted DiBiase the “Million Dollar Man” who I met said it best. The higher you climb in the success in life, the more exposed your posterior becomes a target!

As shooting lessons go, a few here can use some themselves. The names have been withheld to protect those most need it the most. LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As for Subway Schumer,

“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8

The boy will say anything!!

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from Ferber wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I didn't see the whole Palin/caribou hunting event...just a tiny segment shown on TV. I wasn't impressed. I was impressed with her speech, demeanor, clean looks and personality when she first addressed the folks at the Republican convention. Likewise, I was impressed with George W's inauguration speech and Obama's sensational speech at the Democrat convention a few years before he ran for President.

George Bush never spoke again with such poise as he had the night of his inauguration. But he mainly stuck to his guns throughout his presidency. Sarah Palin seems less presidentially potent now, and Obama is a huge disappointment to virtually everybody...including a covey of Washington Dems. But 'back when' we all knew he was headed for the stars.

Simple well-known conclusion: What campaigning politicians say before they're elected means very little, and more often than not does provide the explosive after-the-elections-come-anger fodder for us regular folks.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

Your last post was a hoot! +1

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from Shaky wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Mr. P, you have done it again, I was impressed with your power of observation. But when Bella came out in your defense so strongly, I knew that for once Mr. Petzal had missed the mark about as far as he ever had.
I would vote for anyone who represents my personal desire for the continuation of a free America, whether he/she can shoot or not.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Man. 84 posts and counting. Some things can only be settled the old fashioned way -- gentlemen, check your guns at ringside.

(Or is that "you're" guns... Somebody here seems to think so. But their incorrect. They're grammar is worse then a 1st grader!)

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Man. 84 posts and counting. Some things can only be settled the old fashioned way -- gentlemen, check your guns at ringside.

(Or is that "you're" guns... Somebody here seems to think so. But their incorrect. They're grammar is worse then a 1st grader!)

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

NEW DISCOVERY!!!

If you get impatient and click the "submit" button twice, it doesn't "hurry up" as one might desire but instead posts your comment twice.

And that my friend, is how you get to vote a +1 for yourself twice!

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from Figgis wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I agree with ohiodeerhunter who said, "Far too many of the things on the show seem to be first-time experiences for Ms. Palin,and all her gear seems to be brand new too."

This is exactly my impression. In fact, tonight I happened to see the episode where the family went to observe bears. Although she's someone who claims a visceral and longstanding attachment to the land of Alaska, her reactions to the the most basic elements of the Alaskan outdoors prove her to be a neophyte.

I'm married to someone who lived in and knows Alaska, and I have friends who hail from the great state. She is not as popular there as many in the lower 48 would believe. And there's are plenty of reasons, including her repeated misrepresentations of who she is on every front. The TLC show just proves this over and over again.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Ya'think this will go farther than the XB debate two years ago?

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I would like to thank Clay Cooper for finding the quote about leaving if we don't like the land of Christian beliefs. Where'd you find that, Clay? 'Cause that feller is talking out his hat. I ain't got no Christian beliefs and I got news for him:

First of my ancestors got here in 1631. I ain't leavin' nowhere and I ain't gonna take no crap about it from nobody, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or Voodoo adherent. I ain't no guest. So either light up or leave me alone.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more. The shooting and hunting community is constantly under attack from the anti's and don't need to be hand fed ammunition. The hunting accidents and broken rules already grab the mainstream headlines more than the responsible and mentoring hunters. So those in the public eye need to be know how scrutinized they are and how they are portraying the sport to the more unfamiliar public.

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from wgiles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Too many people have judged her by the video and not by the hour long episode. There are too many details missing from the video. Her guide was her father, it was his rifle, he wanted here to shoot the caribou, when she used their friend Becker's rifle, she got the caribou with one shot. They later shot here father's rifle, which I think was a 7mm, and couldn't hit a paper plate. It's been too long since I saw the episode and I'm forgetting details. We too often reach conclusions about something without having all of the details and videos are too easily edited to sway us to one point of view. If this had been on one of the hunting channels, we would only have seen the successful shot. Way too much is being made of this and it is dividing us when we need to be united. As Clay Cooper quoted above:

-Will Durant said it best!

"The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority."

This is real, the antis are using our own division against us.

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from keithjoyner wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought her dad's comments about the "varmint rifle" were playful kidding. What caliber was it? Who knows. Maybe it was a light recoil 7mm-08, which is normally very accurate and certainly capable. Anyway, once they figured out it was the rifle misbehaving, they switched and she got the animal. A "phony" would have cut the missing shots and just shown the hit. And as I remember it, wasn't the caribou standing facing them on a rise. I don't remember her shooting at it while it was running.
Anyway, I like that she is showing that women and families can enjoy hunting and fishing and reap the rewards at the dinner table.

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from blackjac wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WOW! 93 comments but I did not recall seeing a single one concerning the production of the "segment". The production qualities were awful! It was obvious to me there was no pre-production planning (at all). I can't imagine who shot the video without a shooting script or a director. It further appears to me it was a series of "grab" shots, later to be edited down, which is a common practice.NEVER HAPPENED in my opinion, had they done so, it might have been a pretty good "show" (as 90% of the hunting programs we normally see) Normally you see the kill shot and they tape the segment backwards to create a "realistic" hunt, high fives included!! Hope the reviews will serve as a lesson learned to SP's "production crew" should they even exist. Retired after40 yrs. in the industry and vividly recall my first producer telling me"you're as good as your last shoot"! Happy New Year!

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from wgiles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blacjac:

Were you talking about the video clip or the hour long episode? I agree with you, but my understanding is that the series is supposedly a reality show and that may be the look that the producers were after. I don't like it, I wish that they hadn't done it, but they did. If I were SP, I would be very concerned with the way that people see her and her state of Alaska. I don't know if the video clip is straight from the episode or if it has been further edited. I have the ability to capture that video and edit it to an mp4 file, but I don't want to. Anyone else could have done that and put what ever spin to it that they wanted.

I couldn't bring myself to watch the Kate Gosselin episode. I expected that to be a fiasco.

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from Moose1980 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, believe it our not, I've gotten into the habit of printing out some of your more humurous quotes, and posting them on my bulleting board at work. One of my favorites was you reffering to cape buffaloes as
"bovine Hillary Clintons, malignant engines of destructions"

However the following quote, "She has a voice that would worm a St. Bernard."...made me spit coffee all over my laptop. Thank you sir!

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

GMan sez:

"I would like to thank Clay Cooper for finding the quote about leaving if we don't like the land of Christian beliefs. Where'd you find that, Clay? 'Cause that feller is talking out his hat. I ain't got no Christian beliefs and I got news for him:

First of my ancestors got here in 1631. I ain't leavin' nowhere and I ain't gonna take no crap about it from nobody, Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or Voodoo adherent. I ain't no guest. So either light up or leave me alone."

Now that you mention it, there were refugees from the Curmudgeon region of Crabistania that landed on our lovely shores around 1631. Welcome.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1st off Great posts by Clay Cooper!

Bella
#1)Those 2% of the wealthiest(myself not being close to one of them) pay 90% of the taxes, not just a number I made up but a fact. So what is your ideal tax rate for those 2%? 95%? 98%? 99.999%? What amount in taxes do you pay a year after recieving your refund at the end of the year? Just assuming, but I'm guessing your in a tax bracket like myself where you get back more than you put in. Is that fair to those who pay taxes? I fell out of the chair when my tax lady told me how much I was getting back last year, I felt dirty from getting back more than what I put in. There is a problem with our tax system when 2% pay 90% of the tax burden and then others receive a refund for more than they put in. If you want to be equall and fair to all we need the fair tax, but I doubt you would go for that because that would be a burden to you.

#2) At age 29 I have learned enough in my life to realize I receive a pay check from a man and his father who took a risk before I was born to invest in a business to make money and to help others make money. I also learned that when the owners of the companies I have worked for are burdened with higher costs, be it taxes or whatever their employees suffer, either by lower pay, less hours, less sales which lead to the prior two ways of cutting their costs. Also there is no such thing as the "trickle down method" it would be more accurately depicted as the "circle jerk method", that being I work for a wealthy man who owns a company that employs me and gives me a paycheck each week for the work I have done for him and in return I spend my money at local businesses and they pay their employees and those employees buy from local business and when things are good those businesses need to expand and create jobs and in my case add an addition or build a new facility which then puts money in my owners pocket and at that point the process starts all over. So the rich don't just get rich from us, we also get paid for what we do. Have you ever received a paycheck from a poor man/woman?

#3) "Another fiscally irresponsible notion that one can raise revenue by cutting programs, which adds nothing to the budget". I will attempt to explain this so you understand. Past programs are already put in the budget so the next year your not creating more spend your continuing the spending at previous levels, which is why people bend over backwards to spend budgeted money or they will lose it the next FY. So in a sense your correct but flawed. By cutting pre-existing programs the prior budgeted money is freed up to pay down debt as long as it isn't used for another worthless program. So in the end you do create revenue(bad use of word but it works) by cutting programs that don't add to any "NEW" budget.

#4) Sarah doesn't want to reward those who created this mess. She wants a government for the people that is responsible which we all should want. To clear up your misconceived notion companies created this mess. It was our government who started this mess, and guess what it wasn't Bush or Obama! Thats a suprise to most I know but it is a fact. It is more accurately linked to Pres. Clinton. What happened was the government wanted to make it easy for the low middle class(where I'm at) and the working poor to be able to get a loan for a home with stated income amoung other things. Well that was all fine and dandy until people signed into ARM's and thing like this. Also the bankers/investors(that may include you if you have a 401k or pension fund)found a way to make money off of these risky investments and di very well for along time doing so but all good things must come to an end and it did late 07 to early 08. But what really blew the top off the bubble was not only did the ARM's start expiring but people started investing into commodities like gas with no intention of receiving their investment which caused gas companies to short supply actual buyers of the gas and in the caused gas prices to sore. That was the straw that broke the camels back. You must connect the dots even if it means you find out your love is a cheater, lier, and con. I caught a show over the weekend that was pretty good. I'm not a big fan of Jesse Venture and much of the hollywood types in politics, because politics isn't hollywood or a game, especially when you have 308+ million peoples lives at stake, but anyhow his show Conspiracy Theory done on Wall Street Bankers, the Government, and the Crash was pretty accurate and I think you would like it and it would inform you as to what really went on.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Amflyer, Drink decaf!

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Why are we beating on Sarah? Why not beat up on her dad? He and his friend were her "guides". It was his rifle that was off, after he dropped it, then rolled on it or used it to break his fall. Then after she missed the shot she said that it was off but he insisted she keep shooting. He grabbed the rifle worked the bolt then yelled to shoot more(however if my dad was yelling for me to keep shooting, I would keep shooting). When she changed rifles she killed it with one shot. At the end of the show he still had to be proven wrong. He still insisted his rifle was on; it was off by a mile. But what could he know? He's not an expert like we are. He only lives in Alaska and has over 50 years of experience of hunting big game there. What would he know of what caliber to use for caribou. He's only killed, maybe a hundred or so of them. Maybe he could read this and learn a little something from the "experts".

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from New Age Bubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

@Clay: 5 job seekers for every job--doesn't that tell you something about the need for a security net? We aren't all working on farms anymore (I would, but the land's too expensive because tract house developers are buying it up)

Also, @Palin: You are the best friend the Dems have, keep it up (with a nod to Barbara Bush, my favorite 1'st Lady).

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from The White Slug wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Who cares? Will small nations in the Caribbean turn to Communism either way? The issue is to throw away your PDAs, stop WATCHING things and TALKING about things and start DOING them. Which most surely includes me and my cubicle bound posterior... Lead a three dimensional life!

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dcast sez:

"Amflyer, Drink decaf!"

Sorry. I tend to see humor in most everything, mostly so I don't sit in the corner of my reloading room pulling out my hair and scaring the GSP.

When I die, I hope to be surrounded by my family, slowly drifting out of consciousness...only to jerk my eyes open, snort loudly, and yell "NOW I get it!"

Republicans, democrats, salesmen, the BCS, Michael Jackson...life has to be a big practical joke.

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from New Age Bubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

@DEP: Now you have done it; I warned you to stick to "best [deer rifle/bird gun]" topics! Your comments will now go viral and we will have to look at you on the "Today/Morning Show", looking hungover (well couldn't blame you--in NYC, partying all night and up at 3am for makeup etc.)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Dave,

"Maybe she should take a couple of shooting lessons."

Sorry my Brother I got to say you could use some yourself and I would be honored to assist :)

This has been an NRA Instructor moment :)

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I am sure if you invited her for private shooting lessons she would surely accept so long as you were very polite. Who better to teach her than someone who writes about shooting!

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from SlowDave wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Haven't seen it so can't comment except 2nd hand. Explanation of missing shot because gun was off doesn't hold water. That and the "does it kick" comment indicates she was shooting at game with a gun she had not shot before, likely ever, and especially since it had been dropped. That's a never. Not working the bolt indicates...? She's never shot a bolt action? I mean, most people can work a bolt action from having seen people do it on tv w/o ever having hunted. And 6 shots before you decide to stop with a given gun is over the top.

All this doesn't make her an invalid proponent of gun rights and sportsmen's interests, it just convicts her of the crime of nearly 100% of politicians: insincerity.

A bit disturbing to see the beatdowns on here for anyone daring to speak negative of Palin. Just because someone is pro-gun doesn't mean that you must close your eyes and ignore every other fault they have. And those other faults don't necessarily mean I won't vote for the person. But a free discussion is an important piece of Americana to me and I consider it valuable.

Separation of church and state: First the nit-pickers can let it go. "Separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution; "Congress shall make no law respecting religion..." is, so potato, po-tah-to. And I am happy with everyone doing their own thing. On the other hand, I will not apologize for my beliefs, and my outward celebration of those, and I don't expect others to either, as long as it doesn't intrude on my property or body. And I will not ignore the Judeo-Christian background of this country.

Taxes: the top earners pay basically all the taxes. So, if you cut taxes significantly, you are going to cut them for the "rich." The way I look at it, you can either take their money to Washington, where it evaporates into politician and lobbyist's pockets, or you can leave it with them to spend and thereby boost the economy much more effectively than the gov't ever could. If you think the gov't can do it better, then tax the heck out of them (even more) and watch them find ways to evade, and then watch the ineffectiveness of it to reducing the deficit as the pols find ways to spend ever more. A flat tax coupled with a balanced budget amendment is the way I'd go, although it'll never happen.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

whoever said that intelligence,education and experience were requirements for a run at the presidency has been living in a cave in tibet. this country was founded on the principle of diversity in it's elected officials. in the past, the election of the social elite has not done so well. most are educated far beyond their intelligence. and experience gained on the golf course or the polo fields does not count.

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sarah Palin...lights up Dr. Petzel's blog like a beer sign at midnight. I love to be a fly on the wall at her place, when a staffer brings this blog to her to look at. She will probably determine to be a better prepared shot, if there is a next time. Some good things:
Petzel doesn't miss much...
Neither does our shooting and hunting crowd...
We are a passionate bunch.
Sarah has been coached by her Dad for a long time.
They, Daughter and Dad, are a team.
She hunts.
and yes...she is pretty.

If I ventured to know anything from experience, I would take her out WITH her Dad, and a 6.5mm or a 7mm, and get her sighted in well. Nuff said.

Thanks, Dave.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blueridge

Welcome to Margaretaville!

Food for thought, if I was to shoot consistently at a target high and left, I would certainly stop and figure out what the problem is and correct it, wouldn't you! ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman

As for Christian beliefs, if your going to trash it, doesn't you think you need to learn something about it or would you prefer the new political correct religion now, Sharia law.

Please report to your local sports arena for beheading!

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All . . .

I note, among other things already mentioned by Mr. Petzal and others in previous blogs, that Ms. Palin fired six rounds uphill at a caribou trotting back and forth along the top of a ridgeline. The shots missed.

Does Ms. Palin know where her bullets went? Did she know what lay downrange before she pulled the trigger? Were there people downrange? Was there other game? Were there buildings, structures, vehicles? Could there have been all of the above? Did she ever bother to check?

I don't care what her name is, who she is, or what she aspires to do in her life. What she did in that video, however, was dangerous and, in many states, criminally negligent. It was also wrong.

Note to Mr. Cooper and anyone else who is interested: The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." In 1644, Thomas Jefferson, a founding father of our country, originated the statement "a wall of separation between Church and State." The U.S. Supreme Court--the highest court in our land, the ultimate decision-maker about what our Constitution means--has cited Jefferson's "separation between Church and State" phrase, and of course the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment itself, in dozens (maybe hundreds) of key landmark cases over the last two centuries. In 1947, for instance, in Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court wrote, "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the cause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

That is the law in our country. It has been for a very long time.

As for my own thoughts, I don't want the Government (or anyone else) telling me what church I have to go to, or whether I have to go to any church at all. I don't want the Government (or anyone else) telling me that Church A is better than Church B, or that if you don't go to Church A you're not a real American, etc. What church I attend, what church you attend, what church that any of us may attend, is an individual privacy decision, an individual privacy right, which none of us--nor our Government--have any business interfering with toward another at all. This is also the law in America.

Going back to Ms. Palin for a moment . . . I have a Mauser 98 with a Douglas barrel in 7x57 Mauser that is a custom gun project. I have concluded after several months of testing that with the possible exception of one load and one particular bullet, the rifle doesn't shoot worth a damn. I'm putting the rifle away, keeping it away from the range and away from any hunting field, until there's a new barrel on it and the damn thing shoots exactly where I want it to. That's responsibility. That's sportsmanship. It's also the right thing to do.

Ms. Palin speaks of these things in regard to hunting and shooting. She does not, however, practice them. She is, in fact, much like a hastily constructed ship that looks pretty and sets sail nicely.

A ship called the Titanic.

T.W. Davidson

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hse may not be the brightest bulb on the block, or shoot well but oh those legs,and all the rest, I'd jump her bones any day. As long as she was quiet about it.

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay, I would try to figure out what happened, and not sling a lot of shots wherein I had to have my Poppa work my bolt. I WAS trying to be Jimmy Buffet, wasn't I, by being positive. I had to chuckle at your comment about Margaritaville. I figured that a lot of folks had kinda gotten sidelined by the politics of it, and after all, we are all shooters. We are pretty diverse, otherwise, and that's OK. We just need to give Dave and Sarah some breathing room, and try to set Sarah up with Dave, if Mrs. P. doesn't object, and get her up to speed.

Thus, my comment about the seven MM, or the 6.5. I set up my wife for a little Mannlicher in 6.5, a perfect scope on it, and a Texas boar hunt. She watched the flaming thing until it nearly died of old age and wandered off. I asked her why she didn't shoot, and besides whining that I was in her way [bah, humbug], she simply enjoyed watching the boar. What are ya gonna do? She is pretty, she is a little air-headed, but you keep her, and tease her unmercifully until she has a rematch with the boar. She is, currently, so riled at the whole incident, that she wants a second go at the boar. I pity the poor thing. Women can be killers, when motivated...right Bella?

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I think Petzal (and some others) are being a tad harsh. My wife and I watched the show and it was pretty clear the scope had been knocked off zero. Palin had a good rest and looked to be squeezing off pretty good shots without any flinching. I told my wife about the second miss that the rifle was shooting high and it probably happened when her dad (who seems like a hoot) took that spill. Once she changed rifles she did fine. I've also seen her other shows and she handles a shotgun pretty well, including those two slugs pumped into the charging bear target. As for her using a "varmint rifle," that's what her dad called it, but he didn't mention a caliber. It could have been a .243 or even a .25-06. Hell, Elmer Keith thought a .30-06 was a varmint rifle.
Leaving Palin aside and focusing strictly on running shots, since when did that become something you never do? That caribou was broadside, in the open and barely trotting at a steady gait. I would have taken that shot in a nano-second. Over the (many)years I've shot maybe eight or nine running deer, an running antelope, a couple of running hogs and a running mouflon ram in the Davis Mountains. None needed a second shot. As long as you're using a reasonably powerful rifle it's a matter of circumstances. All my running shots have been within 100 yards are much closer. Most involved jumping deer while still-hunting. A few involved relatively undisturbed but moving deer in open canyon country, requiring a short, sustained lead with ample opportunity for followup shots. None of them were particularly difficult, or nearly as challenging as shooting at running jackrabbits, and I've shot a LOT of running jackrabbits. If someone's not comfortable shooting at moving targets, that's fine. Wait for the animal to stop or wave it goodbye. Nor should people be jumping out of moving Jeeps and blazing away at galloping antelope on the distant horizon, which I've seen done in Wyoming. Just don't tell me to NEVER take a shot I know damned well I can make.

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from buckstopper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Look folks its "reality TV". They look to stage stuff or trump up reality. I didn't see the "impact" final shot but did see the processing of the meat that you don't see on the Outdoor Channel. I'll bet Daddy always worked the bolt for his little girl. The producers put out what they thought would be of interest to viewers of TLC not us experts. Concerning the bear gun, I took it for an educational piece that she was buying it for Kate Goslin to use. Nevertheless, politics aside, I had the same thoughts as DEP when I saw it.

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One thing I didn't address in the previous post and should have is that Palin has never once claimed to be either a great hunter or a crack shot. Both she and her dad have said that she goes on a caribou hunt with him once a year and has since she was a little girl. The object is probably to spend time in the field with her dad as much as it is to shoot anything. She also goes on a hunting trip or two each year with her husband, which is probably the same thing. What she has done is consistently defend hunting as a management tool and a legitimate form of recreation. How many other politicians in this day and age would ever kill anything on camera and then be seen field dressing it and packaging it up for the freezer? That's worth something in my book. It's also worth noting -- if you've actually watched the shows -- that she's consistently cheerful, useful around camp, more than willing to pull her own weight and totally careless about how she looks while she's doing it. That should also be worth something.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I have to admit that I really love the title of this post, although it is a bit suggestive.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DavidPetzal;

If you had watched the episode itself, rather than a clip, you would learn that the first rifle Palin shot had screwed up sights. Her father was the one who put both guns in her hand, and when he later checked the sights on the gun Palin missed with, he couldn't hit a pie plate from 50 paces with it. When she borrowed her father's 7mm Magnum, she put a bullet on target with the first shot. That's for openers.

Sarah Palin is the only public figure since "The American Sportsman" in the sixties to even admit to shooting fur bearing animals, let alone doing it on camera. Additions and corrections is all good; advice for future hunts is all good. But please don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks focusfront and a +1

blueridge as you and everyone else already knows, I'm a flat out supporter for any Sportsman who is of good moral beliefs. If I didn’t step-up to the plate and give it my all, that in itself would make Uncle Teds statement about me to be false therefore I’m not going to let him down!

Paul Wilke said it best!

I'm a Dad and a Granddad and sick of living in the burbs. If either of my daughters had filmed a hunt like that with me, there would be nothing but pride. That was a daughter playing up to her Dad, I have no doubt that she has her own rifle and can stand a little kick, but she's being Daddy's girl. If you can't see that, give up watching.
It was a show folks, and pretty well done. If you don't believe that try filming your own.
It was also in some country that I haven't had any experience of ( nice to see), and demonstrated a butchering method that I haven't tried, but hope to.
All in all, a good SHOW.

______________________________________________

It has been my life long experience as I said before, “I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think” I find themselves to be as guilty if not more. I’ve grew up both on the range and in the field which ables me to compete in both worlds quite well holding my own even with the Big Boys. It’s like being ambidextrous able to shoot either hand.

So for thous of you who must run your mouth like a dog wags its tail against SP or for anyone else, perhaps one day you yourself will be in the same spotlight.

So you think you’re that tough, let’s step back on the 200 yard line standing or even 1000 yard line and NRA Rule High Power Rules apply and let’s really see what you really got and remember this, one day I well be sticking up for you!

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Oh, and Bella;

In some strange way, people like you think that an environment where a Christian politician can admit to being a Christian is establishing a state religion. Aren't you sick of insulting Christians? Aren't we a poor target for you? The fact that American Christians stand with their hands down while people like you punch them over and over should convince that they are what they say they are. Why don't you take on the Muslims for a change? Print a cartoon with Muhammad in it, or write a book that is mildly offensive to Muslims. See how long you last. Or better, keep on picking on Christians. They're like ducks in a barrel.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Victory happens when 10,000 hours of training meet 1 moment of opportunity.

-Author unknown

But I believe it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

‎"I think of lotteries as a tax on the mathematically challenged."

- Mathematician Roger Jones

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

hey Clay, thanks for the comment. We need more positive shooters, and especially our daughters. and granddaughters. I think it would be a hoot, though, to see Sarah being coached by Dave Petzel. That would be a video!

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Blueridge, in response to your comment, you betcha!
Clay, you sure make a lot of pretty broad assumptions for somebody supposedly so wise.
I myself have saved at least one operation by instituting proper accounting and management principles. Sound economic policies for a business or a government is to maximize revenue before cutting services, For governments that means taxation,fees or selling off assets. The Statement "to promote the common good" is in the Constitution, promoting the common good means insuring social stability. In dire economic situations, dispossessed people become desperate, the more dispossessed desperate people you have the more unstable the situation. While Clay may object to the Notion of "his" taxes going to assist persons he thinks are unworthy of assistance, he has to think of the alternatives to helping the indigent and dispossessed. It is cheaper to just send a check than to have to incarcerate people and foster out their kids. We already imprison a greater percentage of our population than any other "free" country. It costs more than $60,000 dollars to keep somebody locked up, The cost is staggering, but I don't doubt Clay thinks it entirely worthwhile to pay for the gulag.
As far as what I thought the tax rate should be, I thought rolling it back to Clinton levels is fine for those making over 250k, I think that is 35-36% for the highest brackets. It is the wealthiest of the citizenry who most benefit from a free and stable society, why shouldn't they pay a little more for the privileges they take for granted. After all, if civil society goes down, they have the most to loose.
These days the money has nothing but "faith and good credit" to back it up. A great deal of the crash that happened in 2007 was as much because people lost faith when faced with massive swindles, war for corporate profits based on lies and accounting based on vapor.
If the people loose faith in the currency that renders it nothing but well made paper. Any value the currency has is because the government says so. So as Jesus says "render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's".
Considering this Clay, the direct words of Your Savior, why should you object to paying your taxes? Why should you judge those less fortunate than you and deem them unworthy of assistance in their duress? Or are you one of those so called "prosperity christians" who hold that God blesses the wealthy and the lot of the poor is their due for their supposed sins...
I think you need to reread your New Testament Clay, and pay attention this time...

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella-
You said "Sound economic policies for a business or a government is to maximize revenue before cutting services." That may work for some businesses, but it is a recipe for disaster when practiced by governments. I cite the state of California as an example.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought this was about shooting a caribou?

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

BElla:

First, your facts are off. Alabama spends about $8000 a year to incarcerate a felon (the cheapest): Maine spends about $45,000 a year (the highest). Considering that the average felon does well over $100,000 a year in damage to society when he runs loose, all are bargains.

Second, it is funny that you want the rich to pay for the privilege of living here, while your fellow travelers just tried to get FREE citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, with college thrown in. It would make a little more sense the other way around.

Sarah Palin drew down on a wild animal, harvested it, and butchered it on film. She ought to be your hero, Bella. What male politician has had the cahones to do as much?

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from RylieGipson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

mr. p you also forgot to add that when the got back to camp the point was pruven the gun was off.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All:

Several bloggers have commented that Ms. Palin's father handed her a rifle or rifles that didn't shoot straight because their scope(s) were not zeroed properly, or the scopes were knocked off zero prior to Ms. Palin taking her six missed shots.

If I go hunting, I know precisely where my rifle shoots out to, say, 300 or even 350 yards. I know this because I will have previously zeroed the rifle and fired it (many times) at a range, almost always with my own handloads. I would not hunt with a rifle unless I knew precisely how it fired at given ranges. If I drop the rifle or bang the scope I will not hunt with that rifle until I have checked (and reset, if necessary) its zero. Yet defender after defender of Ms. Palin attempts to blame her father or come up with any excuse that shields Ms. Palin from her responsibilities as a shooter, her duties as a hunter, and the fact that she had no experience with the rifles she fired and had no idea what their shooting characteristics were. (I never saw Ms. Palin take the killing shot, by the way, and frankly I doubt very much that she did.)

Ms. Palin is the person who fired the rifles on that caribou hunt. She is responsible for missing the shots. She is responsible for where the bullets went after she missed. And she is responsible for making sure any weapon she fires--and hunts with--functions and is accurate. The blame-shifting here for her negligence, incompetence and irresponsibility astounds me.

Mr. Cooper, we may have different political philosophies, but I have no doubt that in the last thirty years (or longer) you've known where every bullet you've fired would go and where it would stop before you pulled the trigger, even if you missed. I also have no doubt that any rifle you've hunted with in the last several decades is a rifle you "knew" (in terms of how it would shoot, its performance characteristics, etc.) before you ever hunted with it at any distance over, say, twenty-five yards concerning any "prey" other than a paper target.

I attribute these same characteristics and habit patterns to Mr. Petzal and any of the real shooters, hunters and marksmen (or markswomen, with respect to Ms. Bella) who read this blog. We do these things because we were trained to, because we were trained correctly, because we would be appalled--and ashamed--about shooting with the accuracy of baboons firing slingshots, and none of us would take a shot that might kill, injure, harm or destroy an unintended target.

Ms. Palin does not possess these same characteristics, these same habit patterns and core philosophies. Those who think she does should hunt and shoot with her.

But I would advise them to stay at least a mile behind her. And to keep their heads down, too.

As for me, I will be in another county or state entirely.

T.W. Davidson

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TW Davidson:

So when your dad took you hunting and handed you a rifle, you immediately set up a target and made sure it was zeroed? I congratulate you for your purity. If I had done that, my dad would have thought I was crazy and the hunt would have ended right there.

We all have stories about the one that got away because the sights were off. Certainly if I drop a rifle I wonder if it is sighted in. But sometimes it happens when you don't drop the rifle, or don't know you did. This was Sarah Palin's, and she had the guts to put it on national TV. If this had been a carefully crafted Outdoor Life spot, only the killing shot would ever have made it on to your TV and mine. A politician is finally honest and you get on her for that? No wonder Obama carries a teleprompter in his luggage.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Focusfront . . .

My stepfather spent a great deal of time with me on our ranch, at our improptu range, making sure I learned to shoot straight (and how to clean a rifle and zero it) before he ever took me hunting. And when we went hunting, I used the rifle I had previously shot (and zeroed) under my stepfather's instruction. No purity about it. Just good basic training.

Apparently, sir, you feel that Ms. Palin can do no wrong and should therefore be immune from criticism of any kind. To me this is akin to suggesting that citizens shouldn't think, shouldn't question, should never analyze, and should never object to idiocy and irresponsibility on the part of politicians and persons in positions of power.

I walk a different road.

TWD

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blueridge

To see Sarah being coached by Dave Petzel?

(O"MY GOD!)

I can picture it now, I think goes this way?

Yes, it would be a hoot to watch, but you'll have to be there. All you will hear is boops and bleeps!

O'hell it might even win an Emmy!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago
from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

By the way TW, if you were a skilled in the art of shooting, you will find the less one knows about shooting, the easier it is to teach them.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As for Sarah or even Slick Cheney, I wouldn't give it a second thought going afield with either of them!

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TW Davidson:

Not at all. I am just saying that she had no reason to think that her dad was handing her an unsighted rifle. Her dad was taking her hunting and using his rifles. That she took six shots before switching out proves that she has confidence in her father. I am not saying she can do no wrong; she missed a broadside gimme shot at a caribou six times. When she got a gun in her hands that put the bullet where the crosshairs were, the 'bou went down quickly. In an ideal world she would have of course set up a shooting range right there on the tundra and made sure her rifle was sighted in. She didn't do that, and her mistake was out there for all the world to see. And that makes her a jerk, a fake, a liar, and a fraud, certainly nobody who ever handled a gun before. Got it.

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

No. 1 - Sarah P. is a whole lot easier to look at than Hillary! Period!
No. 2 - When Sarah's plane landed, I didn't hear any sniper rounds going off!
No. 3 - Alaska is tough! I don't care WHO you are!!
No. 4 - Hey! She (Sarah!) is still easier on the eyes than Hillary!!!

Maybe I wouldn't have done things the way SHE did them! But then, "I" wasn't there and she didn't call ME to ask, "What do I do now?!"
I like her political stance! We could use a lot more men like her in this topsy-turvy world!!! Basically, somebody with some spine!!!

Bubba

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DEP!!!

Break out the skin lotion and see if you can't soften up that crust just a tad, amigo!
Just because a man shed's a tear don't necessarily mean he's looney toons!! EVERYBODY can't have a DI's countenance!!! LOL!!
(Think what a grouchy world this would be if the entire male population was retired DI's?)

Bubba

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TWD,
Good to read your post again.

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1. "Sigh"
2. David you're a professional pot stirer I'm sure of it.
3. Bella if her polls are bad imagine what yours would be?

She gave us an honest hunting show. Yes there's room for improvement. But I would venture to say we could find flaw in a televised hunting show of any one of yours. Since when does she have to be perfect?

Secondly after my caribou hunt this fall in Alaska I was not only convinced but humbled in regards to how difficult it was. So unless you have come to Alaska and hunted caribou I suggest you reserve a tiny bit of judgement until you've got one shot one kill under your belt.

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from Shaky wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

This has been a hoot, maybe it will even exceed the crossbow & .270 v 30/06. All it needs is YO YO to jump in with Bella, Dave and TWD to finish it off.
To all; varmint rifle to Alaskans isn't for p.dogs or rock chucks or sage rats because they don't have ANY of those, Their varmints are much bigger, ergo, their varmint rifles are also bigger. My son's varmint rifle is a 30/06, he lives in Haines, Ak. and has since 1986.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You guys act like living in AK or hunting there (maybe once or twice) qualifies one as an expert at something or other. Get real, folks...

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from NYRifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Folks -
so, once again, we're all worked up about a TV show, produced by a very wealthy political candidate and her supporters. What do you think her producers and campaign managers wanted you to think? Did they get those results from you?

How about we work next on the shooting styles and errors in that wonderful (new) film, True Grit? I loved the movie, but it's fiction! Are you thinking that that was an honest day's work and good demonstration of rifle reality?

If not, why are you thinking that Ms. Palin's shows are any less fictional?

C'mon guys - this is a political campaign shoot produced by masters of that art - far better than most of us can shoot any gun.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I would hope that Gov. Palin's video producers could come up with a better show than that series. I confess that I only watched bits and pieces of the shows while surfing, but thought they were pretty hokey, ergo the continued surfing.

Sometimes you just don't want to show your underwear too soon! Sort of like 'Better to have folks presume you are a _______ (fill in the blank), rather than prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt.'

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jehnifer Quinn

Thank you for those words of wisdom, your totally right and a +1!

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Lets face it, Dave has Sara envy dripping off his text!, Sara lives in Alaska, Raises a family in Alaska, was the govenor of Alaska, Hunts and Fishes in Alaska, has a hit TV show, and might be running for President. Dave is....,well..,Dave. I wonder how much film winds up on the editing floor of a Gun Nuts episode??

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Wow this turned into a peeing match! I think I'll join the fun!
1) DEP is a pot stirrer, if you don't know that then go back and read his older posts
2) DEP doesn't care that he's a pot stirrer. So get over it.
3) Dave and all the other editors are probably laughing so hard they're crying over this idiotic banter.
4) Sarah isn't the best hunter, but she Isnt the worst either. She's willing to be truthful in the fact that she shot six times and missed. At least she's not John Kerry. anybody remember his BS?
5) I think she's starting to go over the edge with all this "mama grizzly" stuff. Her 15 minutes of fame is over. She is performing on a dark stage with no spotlight.
6) politics are not sensible, orderly or fair. The sooner the wimps on this board learn that the better
7) Sarah is better than the gun hating liberals that are out there. So let's take the hand that we're dealt and play it as best as we can
8) being smart has nothing to do with politics. If you want to be a good politian then just appeal to the majority of the idiots and promise to tax the $hit out of the smart people.
9) most people will agree with little I have to say. And will give me lots of minuses. I have news for you, I DON'T CARE.
10) if you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I would like to thank S.P. for an honest hunting show. It seems we are have gotten used to watching these game show hosts hunting big game with $10,000 rifles chambered in the newest .400 uber mag. We watch them shoot an elk in the guts or the butt, then tell us they found it 15 min. later and only 50 yards away. When in reality it was 24 hrs later 2 miles away, but all that ended up on the cutting room floor. Clay showed us the youtube clip of a real hunt. Youtube is full of real hunts just like Sarah's.

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

When I want to watch a "real" hunting show, I watch Benny Spies. In fact, I would vote for him for President 9000 times before I would vote for Sally Lou Boxorocks for Mayor of Wasilla. She is a big fat phony in every way, and I mean every way.

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman,
What a reasonable argument, chock full of facts.
This series is a travelogue about Alaska. It's shown white water rafting, gold panning, commercial and sport fishing, camping, shooting, dog-sledding, four wheeling, bush planes, bears, beautiful country (always), and a family with a 72 year old patriarch who taught school for a living, hunted and fished and taught his kids to do the same.
Check yer damn politics at the door.

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Why are close to half them entries on this blog are Coopers? You clogging the blog again, Coop?

How many "handles" are you using now?

Give 'em hell, anyway. :-)

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Rock Rat go back in your hole in the wall over on BACKLASH.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought I knew a lot about hunting and fishing especially the great outdoors A to ZZZ and the 1, 2, 3’s, but not until I moved to Alaska. Alaska is a real eye opener for those who love the outdoors and when I moved back to the Lower 48 the way I think about it has all changed. I’m not going to go into details, but I will say this.

Walt Smith and woodsmanj35 I must agree with especially #10, if you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them.

For Chad Love and David Petzal I don’t know what the two are trying to do. Are the Network scores so low they must resort to fragging other Sportsmen? It sure looks that way!

The thought of wanting to compare Rosie O'Donnell to all of this, I don’t want to, but it’s hard not to.

Sadly to say it’s obvious the two haven’t thought this one through!

For those of you who missed my earlier post,

Sportsman conduct

I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even form the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your BEST FRIEND the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while one prefers a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Believe it or not I also like Breyer's Vanilla Bean, but I take mine straight up (or with a little homemade blueberry jam as a topping).
Gman love your comment- "Esposito gets the rebound"...
I don't object to Christianity, I object to those who hold this elitist neocalvinism and call it christianity.
Believe me I don't target christians, I only take umbrage at those who think their faith allows them to intrude into the personal choices of other people and those who think their heretical version of protestantism somehow implies that they have the Divine Right to vamp on other folks.
And Clay, this land isn't Christian, there were people here for thousands of years before christianity existed, so the land can't possibly be christian, only a person can make that choice. I think your reading of the Constitution is as unbalanced as your views of the teachings of Yeshua (called Jesus by those who don't know he wasn't Greek). You probably think he spoke English...
If somebody claims to be a christian and expounds hateful doctrines that have nothing to do with the teachings seen in the New Testament, they SHOULD be challenged. I had 5 years of Christian Seminary, and Evangelical autocratic types have NO monopoly on interpeting scripture, in fact, that was what the entire Reformation was about, that every man has the right to read scripture for themself- That's why they burned Wycliffe...
So Clay if you wanna live under some Theocracy, you can go to Saudi and try the Wahabis on for comfort!
America's strength is and always has been diversity, which is about religious freedom for all, even if some autocratic types don't like it.

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

JohnL,

Don't get mad at me. Read Dave's post. The girl can't cycle a bolt! She's a fraud!

I don't care what Chuck Heath does. His daughter thinks liberal elite snobbish folks like me aren't part of the real America. But at least I know how to cycle a bolt, and zero my rifle. Then Clay posts a quote from some dude telling us what don't hold with their Christian beliefs to leave. Pfffft to that dude, whoever he is. My folks were here before his, so he can leave. God bless godless liberals! God bless Ron Coburn and the Savage Arms Company, and especially the 7mm-08 Model 10!

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman,
Not mad at ya', just don't understand the name calling.
But then when you describe yerself as "liberal elite snobbish folks like me".......well?
Thought this was a hunting blog, not a political.
Not goin' to enter the god argument, that's another topic for another day.
I still say the show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" is a good chance for us poor folks to see and enjoy a place we'd love to visit, on a real life basis, not a slick production.
The one and only time I've been up there we did a self-guided fishing adventure, and had it been filmed, it would have been mighty embarassing.
I'll bet you $5 she could sight in a rifle (just as she proved her father that the sights were off...if you bothered to watch), and I'd be tickled to death if my dad were still around to work the bolt for me!
She never claimed to be Peter Capstick. Do you?

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, was the USA a theocracy back in the 1960s? It must have been, because back in the '60s a teacher could admit to being a Christian (even carry a BIBLE!) and not have every lawyer within a thousand miles salivating right down his tie. You could say "Merry Christmas" and have a nativity scene on public lands without people like you thinking the republic was coming to an end. We did not read "Heather Has Two Mommies" to children too young to know what a heterosexual is, let alone of homosexual.

Wycliffe was not burned to death. He died a natural death in 1384 (about 133 years before the Reformation); about ten years afterwards, the church tried his corpse for heresy, and burned his bones.

Jesus is an English derivation of Iesu. Greek has no "SH" sound, so Shaul becomes Saul, Yeshus becomes Iesu, etc. No racism or cultural slam intended.

You attack what Christians believe as passionately as most of us should defend it. If we are kooks for defending it passionately, what does that make you?

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm not mad, either, JohnL.

Truth be told, Clay posted that quote that got my dandruff up. It wasn't Clay himself who said it, it was a quote to the effect that if you don't cotton to Christian beliefs you can leave. Didn't necessarily say you had to be Christian, but you had to hold 'em, specifically, to some standard of respect; now, two of my grandparents were Methodists, one was Catholic and one was Jewish. She married one of the Methodists and subsequently ran into a lot of anti-Semitism spouted by folks who assumed she was also born Protestant. We have a history of professing religious freedom but not really accepting anything that ain't awful familiar to us.

To my way of thinking, everybody's individual metaphysical vector should be given equal respect. That means specifically that anybody telling me to kowtow to his Christian beliefs is gonna get an earful. You can say Merry Christmas and even put a Nativity scene on the lawn at City Hall as far as I'm concerned, but you better be prepared to let any religion do the same. I don't think we're there as a nation yet.

But I still think Benny Spies is a hoot, reminds me of my teenage hunting trips, and that Sarah Palin ain't truthin' 'bout nuthin', whether it's shootin' or Putin.

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from cbanks wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave: Of all the comments on this post, only DickGun appears to actually live in AK and know Ms. Palin, and I'd defer to him, both on her political and hunting qualifications.

I saw the caribou-hunting segment on her series, and it rang true to me. The fact that she'd consent to airing an episode where she shoots and misses says something about her--she's not afraid to try and fail. And she shot a cow for meat--and took it back to her kitchen and butchered it.

It was authentic and refreshing in its modesty. I hope she's the same.

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from cbanks wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave: Of all the comments on this post, only DickGun appears to actually live in AK and know Ms. Palin, and I'd defer to him, both on her political and hunting qualifications.

I saw the caribou-hunting segment on her series, and it rang true to me. The fact that she'd consent to airing an episode where she shoots and misses says something about her--she's not afraid to try and fail. And she shot a cow for meat--and took it back to her kitchen and butchered it.

It was authentic and refreshing in its modesty. I hope she's the same.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

cbanks

I don't know the Governor personally, but it's obvious some prefer Tomboys to be hunters and the Ladies stay home!

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All:

Time for peace.

Happy New Year to everyone.

May 2011 be a wonderful year for all of us.

TWD

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

This blog proves again you don't let women sit at a poker game, become part of a ship's crew, let become engineers, or join a hunting camp.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Best wishes for a Happy and succesful New Year to all.
Keep yer' powder dry, and watch yer' topknot (to quote Jeremiah Johnson) and fill yer' hand, you....
(to quote those other movies.

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from mudpuppy wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Exactly why are we wasting our time on this "outdoor" wanna-be? There are more than enough more pressing issues on hunting and conservation than the latest blather from any politician, most of whom have not been outside their limos for 3-15 years, regardless of their paths to 'right'chyo'nest'.

Just sayin'.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I just finished watching the video again. There were 5 misses and 1 hit. The bou was standing still for the first 4 shots then began a slow trot for the final miss. Not what I would call 'running game'. Then the camera is right on her for the final shot. Just pointing out the facts, not making excuses.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I think only a Christian nation would tolerate the publication of all the viewpoints expressed on this thread. And if you don't like it, you don't have to leave.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

The last president who hunted and could damn well shoot AND was worth a tinker's damn was Teddy Roosevelt.
With today's politicians I could care less if they can shoot, hunt, put one pants leg on at a time or not as long as they fight their asses off protecting the 2nd amendment. To the above Palin bashers: I would take her today as VP over the foppish ass-kissing buffoon that rode BO's coattails into the White House.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

2010 best quote,

From woodsmanj35

"If you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them."

Happy New year to all you Gun Nuts !

The artillery is already going off in the neighborhood.

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Dave P.
Hadn't been back on in a couple of days and just saw your gratuitous slap at John Boehner. I happened to have dealt with and worked for John Boehner on a few occasions over the years -- with me always in the subservient position -- and he was one of the nicest, most decent guys you'd ever want to meet, no matter what your politics might be. He treated the least powerful person in the room as well as he treated the most powerful, was always extremely polite and never deviated one degree in private from the things he said in public. Just an all-around, genuinely nice guy. I don't know what would lead you to say something that nasty about someone you've obviously never met. Does he need a psychiatrist because he got choked up thinking about what a great country it is we live in when a guy who arose from circumstances as modest as his can end up three steps away from the Presidency? Personally, that's exactly the kind of person I want in office -- someone who still gets a lump in his throat when he sees old Glory waving in the wind and who feels the weight of his responsibilities as a tangible burden. This is a guy who was one of 12 siblings from a working class family (and I personally hate talking about "class" at all in a country where class is transient) who got where he is through his own hard work, ability and merit. Wouldn't you feel a little emotional if you were in his shoes?
I appreciate the fact that you're a curmudgeon. Hell, I'm 57 and I've been a curmudgeon since I was 20 and I've been perfecting it every year since. But there's a difference between being a curmudgeon and a total jerk. For one thing, be damned sure the target of your public contempt actually deserves it. Otherwise, it's just wasted bile. And that's from someone who likes reading your column, likes watching your tv show and by and large likes you, or at least the person you seem to be from the outside looking in. Personally, I wish we could just drop the politics completely and stick to guns and hunting, since no one's mind is ever going to be changed by anything on one of these blogs anyway. Speaking of which, do you seriously believe there is never any justification for taking any running shot at any running animal under any conditions? Because I'm still trying to figure that one out.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, I'm curious to know where you got 5 years of Christian Seminary and what theological degrees you garnered as a result.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hold on, I just figured out what happened. She was using a Winchester model 70,and as we all know that's not a dependable rifle. Not all shots were a miss,her rifle was a .270 and the bullets just bounced off the bou. We all can agree that a .270 is only good for woodchucks. When she switched to the Savage rifle in .300 win mag she dropped that bou in one shot. ;-)

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from PSU_Bassboss wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella - As a fellow seminarian, how 'bout reining in the condescension and venom...we should set better examples than that.

Happy New Years! I'm off to some sauerkraut and football!

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from David Kennedy wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

What a joke.....you folks are against Palin as a representative yet will support the NRA that threw our 1st amendment rights and many gun organizations under the bus a few months ago. You don't deserve her spit. I would guess you're probably just woman haters.

If her gun was not on zero she would miss! Period. It's very easy to knock a gun off zero. It doesn't take much when your taking long shots.

I know many folks out west that take Elk with a small center fire caliber, yes even a varmit round! 257 Roberts with a 120 gr bullet is a favorite of mine. I've killed many deer with a 22-250. It's called bullet placement. Something I would guess some of these folks don't know or understand. It's relatively easy to get a weapon shooting sub 1 inch at 300 yards if you are knowledgeable when you buy. Place it on the base of their ear. If your distance is off you still have 6-8 inches of neck. If you miss you have done the game a favor. They run off for another day. I have never had a suffering animal with this shot. They drop like a rock, neck or head, and you find them exactly where you first shot. This is with a so called varmit gun. (not a varmit bullet)

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from travest wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

thanks

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

What would you think of one of the most respected Weapons Experts on National Television taking a New Model Ruger Super Blackhawk, opening the gate and spinning the cylinder and slap shut the gate while spinning?

The show was just a couple of weeks ago.

It wasn't Sir Petzal, but I guarantee you will never hear about it hear!

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I don't care what religious monuments people wanna put up, that is a non issue, really. I do get tired of the unavoidable assault on the ears with the christmas carols though.
And I'm a big fan of Teddy Roosevelt, the last good Republican.
My seminary instruction was a consequence of the church
I grew up in, I never claimed to have a degree. And I should have written that it was Tyndale who got burned rather than Wycliffe, but they did burn Wycliffe, even if they had to dig him up to do it. The point remains the same and the glorification of greed is in no way christianity. If you are going to claim the affiliation, you should put more weight on the words of Jesus than in the words of Oral Roberts and Pat Robertson.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

180 Posts! Mah Gawd it's time to put this one to bed!

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks Clay!

WA Mtnhunter: IF you were referring directly to my post then I must add that Yes I do think being a born and raised Alaskan who hunts here every season gives me some credibility to speak about the unique challenges Alaska offers.

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from HammerGun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Doesn't it feel good? ... to point out the shortcomings of others? Maybe those that like to bash are just upset because they need a new Obama sticker for the back of their Prius.

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from dick mcplenty wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

If only Sarah weighed 250lbs we would have never been subjected to her.

Palins nothing more then a publicity slunt who couldn't even stick out a single term as governor. She has about as much in common with the american public as obama does.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jehnifer ( May I call you Jehnifer?)

No. I was not referring to your or your post at all. There are more than a few folks who post on here that have lived in AK for a brief time and/or hunted up there a time or two that seem to think they are an expert at all things hunting and firearms related. As a long time resident of Lower AK (WA State where most Alaskans winter over), I have met my fair share of rubes who are "authorities" on all of the above and can't find their rear with both hands.

My comment certainly does not apply to most Alaskans at all, just the wannabe's that regularly show their ignorance on here!

Again, I was not aiming at your post at all!

Best regards,
WAM

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

No worries WAM! Yes please call me Jehnifer. My only claim is loving Alaska and all it has to offer in Fishing and Hunting. Even though I'm a lifelong ALaskan who lives to fish and hunt I'm far from being an expert. I am just blessed to have amazing people who have invested their time in teaching me since I was little. I agree with you sir one hunt up here does not make one an expert in anything except how much there still is to learn.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

It's a good thing we can compare ourselves to Sarah, it makes us feel big and strong. But if we had to use her dad or husband as a gauge to measure ourselves. Yikes! They would mop the floor with most of us tenderfoots.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs Quin (out of respect), isn't still interesting how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason. It's those who never got involved with the Sporting Community and if so they always showed up late on cleanup day at the Club House and still think they should be privileged for beer and steak including "YES" the audacity to receive credit for the cleanup day

Think about it ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

CCMJS

Correction Sir and a +1

They would mop the floor with us!

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Personally, I think Sarah Palin should be coaching the Gun Nut.... especially if she can shoot running game and he can't. About the only thing I can agree with the Nut is, she hasn't got as pretty a voice as the rest of her....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Quinn, what part of AK you in?

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

She worked the bolt fine on the last round, before handing it back to her dad. She also shows good form in the way she handles a gun...Too bad DP has a blatant dislike for her. I could usually like reading his posts, but if he doesn't know it was her dad taking away the gun, and cycling the bolt, then he really doesn't want to see the way Sarah is, and didn't listen or watch the clip without letting his dislike get in the way. Maybe he never listened to his dad, or knew to respect your parents. Or maybe he just didn't listen...?

You're getting mighty defensive, DP, is it because you know you're wrong on this one? And afraid to make it right?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

For the Team to win, it all lays in the hand of the one who cares less. – Author unknown

Think about it....

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from Brian Robinson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I vote conservative and I consider Sarah a total joke, we had better hope the Republicans have something better in 2012 than that.

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whenever you find someone who will rally the troops, and taunt the devil, you will find the minions that taunt the troops and rally the devils.....And yeah, Clay that is what it is about in winning as a team. As any weak link in the chain knows....
I think David threw us a weak link in our chain....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

jes AMEN BROTHER!

Team

TEAM

T.E.A.M

Together Everyone Achieves More!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jes I hope you don't mind, but I just added your quote to my "From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read" right above

Victory happens when 10,000 hours of training meet 1 moment of opportunity.-Author unknown

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jes, looked up minion and found this.

1501, "a favorite; a darling; a low dependant; one who pleases rather than benefits

interesting?

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank you, sir. It would be my honor! I have appreciated your concise and articulate posts for a good number of years.

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay I live in "the valley" Palmer/Wasilla area :)

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank you, sir. It would be my honor! I have appreciated your concise and articulate posts for a good number of years.

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from Brian Robinson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

My BS dector goes off when Sarah talks,, read between the lines and DEP is saying his does also

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gentlemen, now I don't know any of you, nor do I know Ms. Palin but . . . . Evidently this forum is staffed and visited by a bunch of left wingers who have never done any real hunting, because if you had and listened to the whole show you wouldn't be ragging on her. So how may of you experts have missed a shot? Yeah, like I thought, no one. Maybe you need to go back and read the classics? I recommend you start with the works of WDM Bell or maybe Robert Ruark, those two gentlemen missed more shots than this whole bunch of "experts"! For her to allow that to be posted shows she has more BALLS than most of you. She could have easily edited that out, like I'll put money on is a daily happening here, but she didn't. What does that show? Poor marksmanship? No, it shows she is human. I stopped reading field & stream long ago, now I remember why.

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Might as well throw some more gas on the fire. I think Sarah is typical of politicians, which is not a complement. I also feel like she rubs a lot of people the wrong way and if she does win the Republican presidential nomination Obama will stay in office for four more years and that would bring me to tears. That being said I still like the girl.

As far as her hunting skills go, they do not bother me. At least she is out there trying. I've seen four men with rifles that were sighted in correctly each fire several times at a white tail deer that was standing about 100 yards away and he lived to see another day. I am never amazed at how poorly most people shoot without a bench and sandbag.

I have also been involved in a whole lot of deer drives that resulted in shooting at running animals. Some people are extremely good at this and it doesn't bother me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WOW, Clay

35 out of 203 posts! That has to be a near record! Each and every one priceless!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs. Quinn so your down what I call the banana belt, LOL! I was hoping you were up in the Fairbanks area and say hi to an old friend Sir Randy Pitney who I worked with through the Tanana Valley Sportsmen Association- TVSA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative I don't consider myself as an Expert, only in classification in High Power Competition when I sign up for a match. If I had the same negative attitude as some of the rest, those like Sandra Worman would never had a crack for the tryouts for the Olympics and those who I helped setup for the outdoors experience of a lifetime.

This Sarah and the Caribou by David E. Petzal has become a burr under my saddle for two reason. Governor Palin has the same rights as anyone else, she just shows she's human also unlike our commander in cut and run. I also believe in going out of my way to assist and to train those to become better at and equipped for the outdoors. From ATV's & ORV's to Marksmanship, from orienteering to Search & Rescue or just being out there. Isn't the purpose of this blog is to be Ambassadors of the Outdoors rather than Lambastadors who some have become.

Something else to think about, food for thought.

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”-Anne Lamot

WA Conservative

I to stopped reading field & stream a long time ago, now I remember why also.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago
from dcloutier40 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mr. Petzel you should be ashamed. You are a cannibal of all that is a true sportsman. You pick the bone clean to make yourself appear the true sportsman in a politically correct arena. We sportsman should be grateful that a potential president elect enjoys or at least recognizes and celebrates are way of living. Politics in mind I am still waiting for our saviour. But until that time Sarah Palin is in your face about what we hold sacred. Why don't you resign and join Jim Zumbo who also chose the path of political correctness over what made him a successful outdoor writer.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walter Cronkite "the most trusted man in America" anchorman for the CBS Evening News for 19 years and the "And that's the way it is", so what does have to do here? After the end of the Vietnam War, documents were uncovered that Vietnam Generals was within three months of surrendering until they herd Walter Cronkite on national TV say, The United States is losing the war with Vietnam. This gave what the enemy needed to resurrect itself and the same goes with Iraq. Early in the fight, both documents and messages were intercepted saying they could not withstand an attack against the US and its allies. Once again, the news media doing what was politically correct as Walter Cronkite did, The US is losing the war. The enemy now has learned they cannot beat the US and its allies in the field, they must take the battle to the streets here in the US.

So the real question here is, with the UN and other Nations as well as those here in the US hell bent for leather to disarm the Citizens of the United States and go around the 2nd Amendment including the 1st Amendment with a treaty banning all guns and speech, what better way to use so called experts right here in the US to use in there cause to disarm the US.

So I have one question to ask Mr. David E. Petzal,

"this has been a no BS moment”?

You Sir fail face first into it!

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON!

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from NHshtr wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DP I don't recall Sarah Palin saying she was a life-long hunter. She claimed she was raised in a hunting family and was exposed to hunting all her life. Me thinks you need to lighten up.

I'm not a Sarah for President supporter at all, but she is openly "in your face" supporting the 2nd Amendment and hunting. How many of our politicians who claim to support us speak on national TV so candidly about those issues?

She is scrutinized by every liberal rag on the planet. They can't find any dirt, so they trod on her voice, her family, her mannerisms, past poor interviews, etc. Not many people could survive the scrutiny and exposure that she has and still come across as a good person - even if not familiar with rifles. I hope she stays out there talking and exposing people to the 2nd Amendment, hunting, and fishing.

To me (and it seems to many others)it appears from your commentary and reply challenge, that for whatever reason, you had a bias against her to begin with.

After all the above responses, maybe you were open to viewing a couple of more episodes. I wonder if you have any second thoughts about her.

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Yes it's true Clay Fairbanks is too cold for me and too far from my honeyholes! I like being in a neutral location so I can access more areas of the state :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs. Quinn I must agree with you, especially when its cold enough to freeze (-67ish) a Prestone® Antifreeze jug solid and have a 36 inch 3/8 diameter bungee cord come unhooked and slap me upside the head (The definition of ouch!) I'll pick the Banana Belt (your area) next time! LOL!

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

"She is scrutinized by every liberal rag on the planet." Including this one!!!!
Thanks NHshtr

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Once again, I implore all involved in this rapidly deteriorating blog to focus on the real issue: Sarah Palin has the best understanding, it would seem, of OUR way of life (even if by osmosis from family members). She is also the one candidate who seems mostly likely to stand on her beliefs, and state them plainly.

When was that last time we had a real choice, poor rifle shot or not?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

mclark94

Precisely! Well stated, sir.

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from plevena1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

claycooper and his ilk. you would vote for a knucklehead just because they are R and hunt? "we have met the enemy and it is us"

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

plevena1

I don't consider myself one of anyone's "ilk", but I will respectfully respond to your post and say that I would not vote for a knucklehead regardless of whether they fish and hunt or not. Knuckleheads are not restricted to any party or persuasion, so you have to get the facts straight regarding philosophy, track record, and honesty.

Take the current Capon in Chief; even if he were a Republican, no way would I have voted for such a knucklehead with such limited experience at leading anything except community activism. Why, even his VP and Sec of State said that during the campaign and ya'll still voted for him! What this country needs is real leadership, not more hacks. Let someone step to the podium with real ideas that are good for the country and a track record backing it up and I'll vote for him/her.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Lots of good points on here on all sides; but my biggest issue is less that she missed a few times or how the hunt was managed/handled because stuff will happen on a hunt, some in your control, some not. But for Palin or any of her folks to not consider the potential backlash this video might recieve is what troubles me. If you were a Toyota CEO during the recalls, would you release home video of an isolated crash? No, because you need to put your best foot forward when all eyes are on you and how you represent your "product", whether that's a car, policy, or hobby. So we've all screwed up on a hunt, but not all of us are high-profile symbols of the hunting community who recorded our err on film and released it to the general public. For anyone who spends much time immersed in company of mixed ideologies, you know how easily swayed people are by a single story, action, or video.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whatever you do Clay--don't thin out your posts! I enjoy and look forward to everyone of them! Its nice to hear from a person as experienced as yourself! I enjoy the cold hard slap, of reality you, sir, provide here!! Wouldn't it be nice to know the calibers of the 2 rifles Sara shot that day. The last gun judging by the glimpse of the shells in the stok holder could've been a 300win mag or a 338 win mag or possibly even a 300 RUM, they looked like belted brass to me. Your say?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walt, I was going to pinch it off but for you I'll do one more time because I care!

As for the political side of this, Governor Palin went up against the Good Ol'Boys and took them head on and won and they sure didn't like it! As for taxes, she believed Americans are being overtaxed. Take a single mother of three who works 40 or less hours a week at minimum wage. She only makes about $14,000 dollars a year. Although she does pay some taxes like SSAN and Medicare, she pays no Federal tax. By the time she receives food stamps, Medicaid and other adjusted addition benefits, she takes home around the equivalent of $34,000. Now take another single Mother of three who went to school and busts her butt to bring home and give her kids the best and receives no State or Federal benefits. But because she makes $64,000 a year, after taxes she brings home $34,000 dollars despite all the work she has done. As for the other, why work!

I truly believe there is a certain level of responsibility in everyone and they should be held to those standards. But make no mistake as I know firsthand in dealing with every walk of life every day here at the job, there are those can’t hit the ground with both feet and it’s not at all their fault due to handicap of one sort or another and I bust my ass to help these people when no one else will, not even themselves because they gave up a long time ago. There are times behind this disk, I can't handle the tragedy some family go through and so horrendous to see their lives just snuffed out like a candle, but somehow I pull myself together and push through for them or at least try. Some get help, some don’t but I tried, I gave it my all : (

Back to Gov. SP.

She is the type not to hide anything, leaves all her cards on top of the table and stands behind what she says and does. She is human and doesn’t side step this and doesn’t pretend to be bullet proof either, she falls and gets wet just like anyone else.

If I was to label her, it would be Reagonistic, to look the enemy straight in the eye and stand toe to toe and not even blink, to be true and faithful!

She may not have the experience as others, but she damn sure knows how to rally the troops and get the right folks together and to hold them accountable not only to her, but to the people!

In this following link of me, you tell me what hazard there is in this desolate place.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/trophyroom/recent/single?pnid=10013...

By the way, that blue cap I’m wearing some of you might recognize, it’s an NRA Instructor cap for who I was well known as with TVSA- Tanana Valley Sportsmen's Association and the Alaska University of Fairbanks.

As for Skylining a shot really makes me cringe and don’t recommend it in any way. But I will say this, does anyone know how far it is to the next town and I’ll give you a hint, it’s in Russia and I’m sure they knew were that round was coming down.

I find it by far more of a dangerous place being in the woods carrying your muzzle down for a snap shot than being out on the tundra with a cannon!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walt I did see the episode in full length,but I didn't catch the cartridges used. If it airs again, I'll record it and see if I can pick it out. Obvious the rifles didn't have muzzle breaks, they still had there ears after the shots! LOL!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One more thing,

plevena1

Who said "Don't be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic."

America

America...

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Is at it's best when it is at it's worst.

For it's not from the Government for the awesome power to over come disasters and attacking enemy.

THE AWESOME POWER COMES FROM THE PEOPLE AND NOT FROM FROM THE GOVERNMENT BUT TO THE GOVERNMENT THIS POLARITY DOES GO!

AND ONE MORE THING!

"Pacifism is a luxury paid for by Warriors!"

AND I CAUTION YOU, YOU ARE AMONGST WARRIORS HERE!

As the bumper sticker said,

I will serve and protect myself thank you!

No Government entity or mandate is responsible for your personal protection. So I warn you Citizen, be careful what flag you reside and hide under!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sorry folks, had to get it out of my system!

2011 will be the best year yet!

73's and GOD BLESS!

did I say God Bless?

YA' I DID!

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

from mclark94 wrote
"Once again, I implore all involved in this rapidly deteriorating blog to focus on the real issue: Sarah Palin has the best understanding, it would seem, of OUR way of life (even if by osmosis from family members). She is also the one candidate who seems mostly likely to stand on her beliefs, and state them plainly.
When was that last time we had a real choice, poor rifle shot or not?"

Good point.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative

AMEN BROTHER!

All jokes aside, my Commanders in the Military who did best wouldn't make a decision until they consulted several troops even Airmen.

The best Air Force General living today, two of them for fact is Lieutenant General Nelson and Major General Thomas_McInerney

These two Generals truly believed the power to victory was all in the hands of the lowest rank, the ones that turns the wrench and make things go! And I tell you something else, these two would walk up to a E-1 pull them into private place and ask them what problem are they having and what they suggest the fix should be and God help the Superior who buts in!

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WVOtter wrote
"Lots of good points on here on all sides; but my biggest issue is less that she missed a few times or how the hunt was managed/handled because stuff will happen on a hunt, some in your control, some not. But for Palin or any of her folks to not consider the potential backlash this video might recieve is what troubles me. If you were a Toyota CEO during the recalls, would you release home video of an isolated crash? No, because you need to put your best foot forward when all eyes are on you and how you represent your "product", whether that's a car, policy, or hobby. So we've all screwed up on a hunt, but not all of us are high-profile symbols of the hunting community who recorded our err on film and released it to the general public. For anyone who spends much time immersed in company of mixed ideologies, you know how easily swayed people are by a single story, action, or video."

Backlash? LOL! You don't get backlash from honesty, you get backlash from hiding little things like this! I don't know if you're a hunter or not but I've missed shots, error on my part on distance or angle of shot. Am I proud of my misses? No, have they made me a better shot? Yes. Every hunter out there has missed a shot or 10, anyone telling you otherwise is either never taken a shot or is a liar. I'm not looking for perfection in a candidate, but I am looking for one whose values closely align with my own. My list would read something like this, Honesty, Integrity, of the "working class" and not the harvard elitist, and not a DAMM career politician. Sarah has my vote no mater how many shots she misses.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative-I am a hunter and as I eluded to in my comment, who among us hasn't missed a shot, or 50? No one is perfect...but my point is the fact that there is no denying Palin can be a polarizing political figure and plenty of people on the left and/or middle who readily spin her actions to serve their agenda. So even if events on her hunt were legitimate and through no fault of her own, the events of her hunt can be spun to misrepresent the sport and perhaps should not have been released for the sake of the greater good of the sport. Finally, hunters do experience backlash from honesty; when a hunter shoots into a house, an arrow is found in a suburban backyard, or drunken trespassers are caught poaching, those are "honest" events that do us no good in the eyes of the non-hunting public when in the paper the next day.

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from jbowden wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,
Why not offer to go up to Wasilla and teach Sarah how to shoot properly instead of carping? Be part of the solution or become part of the problem.
JB

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

LOL! Or maybe Sarah will teach him how?

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from HammerGun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One last thought about her skyline shot. What we see on the screen (i.e. what the cameraman saw), isn't necessarily the same perspective she had. Her party may have been higher up giving her a more level shot that backstopped into the earth. The second camera could have been lower, like on a grassy knoll, or in the window of a book depository building... Wait a minute! Maybe her "varmint" rifle was a 6.5 Carcano!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Can we talk about guns now?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

HEY!

WHAT'S EVERYONE STILL DOING OVER HERE?

THE PARTY OVER DAR!

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I believe that her father fell earlier in the episode, knocking the scope out of alignment. It happens. I've had it happen to me once or twice. And also, I just can't believe that if she hunts as much as she makes it sound, I think she knows how to work the bolt on a rifle. It's not that hard...you flick it up, pull it back, push it back forward, and flick it back down. I think her dad just got over-excited and reloaded for her. That's my opinion.

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

First off, Mr. Petzal, I respect you. I respect your knowledge about guns and hunting, but I agree with Willegge. And I truly believe that people (me especially) would enjoy your articles a lot more if you just avoided politics. Sarah Palin has in fact shot more just that gun. In fact, in one episode when she goes camping she shoots a nice looking tacticle 12-guage. In another episode, she was shooting a 12-guage over-under shotgun. I think that the reson they didn't check the scope is because they were worried about her dad, and then they didn't remember about the fall because they got caught up in the excitement. I can guaruntee you there is nobody here who hasn't gotten "buck fever" or "animal fever" or what ever you want to call it. And I have no doubt that you have watched more than a few hunting shows. How many of them have the camera on the hunter when he/she shoots? Is it possible that all of those shots were staged? And finally, she DID get it killed with a rifle that was just fine. And she butchered it for food. I still like you, Mr. Petzal, I just believe that some of your views are infected by politics.

And second, how exactly did a discussion about an episode of Sarah Palin's Alaska turn into an argument about the meaning of separation of church and state?

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Also, Mr. Cooper? As delicatly as I can put it, what the hell is a pseudosportsman? Please excuse my french.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

OutdoorKid24

LOOK IT UP!

Pseudosportsman

Break it down,

Pseudo' Sportsman

Pseudo-

–adjective

1. not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.

2. almost, approaching, or trying to be.

The next word to learn Boys and Girls is the word,

Resourceful

–adjective

able to deal skillfully and promptly with new situations, difficulties, etc.

Now do I need to explain it more to you ;)

By the way, you're a little late don't you think, the party is over and moved on!

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from kinnivalley1 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Stop the whining and get over it! So, it was a bit fabricated and not perfect. You could sit there and point out the discrepencies or look at her as a great public advocate for hunting. I have seen Ted Nugent's hunting and the old American Sportsman shows. They are not perfect and many of them were not my style of hunts. However, the shows are great examples of 2nd Amendment Rights and hunting. You will lose to the Sierra Club and others -- you play right into their hands if you continue wring your hands over her hunts on a reality show. I suppose people have similar posts about Dancing With the Stars.

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from Dale Boyles wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Petzel appears to be less tha fair in his assessment of Sarah ( as does other commentors). I expect she knows how to work the bolt since seh demostrated skill in pumping a shotgun and shooting it. Do you not know, David that fathers sometimes do things for their adult children ( especially girls) when, in fact they do not have to? Perhaps Sarah's father was helping out in an iffort to keep Sarah in the shooting position? Do you not recall her skill with the shotgun? Do you not recall her father stating the scope on her rifle was way off? it's called giving the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to demonstrating prejudice! I recall your prejudce toward VP Chaney.

And as far as shooting at moving game, do you not recall , David, how the folks in Vermont, Maine, etc hunt in the big woods? Do you not recall that famous hunting family in Vermont (the Benoits)and their method of hunting?

you write good and accurate gun articles. Staick to it.

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from The Shot wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I much admire Sara's pluck and prowess as a human being. Give her credit, she made the shot when handed another rifle, one shot too. And proficient with the shotgun on the charging bear target. Walking and stalking in the tundra, camping and fishing in the rain...all with a positive attitude and always up-beat. How fortunate to have a good woman like that as a wife, mother, and a patriot. Butchering up the meat and packing it away in the freezer for the family's food supply. Bravo Sara, Bravo..!!!!!

As for taking shots on the run, whether an enemy in combat or game in the field, flying, loping, or galloping full out, marksmanship includes taking the shot if the shooter believes that he or 'SHE' is capable of making the kill.

In the game fields I've taken many a bird, and dozens of game animals with one well placed shot. The key is to know one's abilities, and how to lead the game with a particular firearm and load, the angle, distance, shooting up hill or down into valleys, across terrain that's known as 'dead ground', the wind if any, or any other factors that influence making the shot. 'The Great Ones' know that you can't make any score...if you don' take 'TheShot'!

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from jbrash wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I have got several friends who have been shooting and hunting for years that can't hit the broad of a barn but that doe's not make them less sportsman. I'd rather take somebody like Sarah Palin any day for president than Obama and any of his nitwit ilk. At least she stands up for us sportsman and the constitution. Your liberal Mr. Petzal needed to be replaced long ago.

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from Roderick K. Purcell wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Petzal is right on this one. Ms. Palin missed the caribou but fired every round into her own credibility. I mean, she couldn't even work the action of a simple, bolt action rifle. When I miss, at least I chamber my own rounds. Caribou Barbie.

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Hey, I was in a hurry, Cooper. I didn't have TIME to look it up.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

+1 for mr. cooper

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from Montana Rose wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

OK, I'll admit right off the bat- I don't like Sarah Palin. But my dislike extends much farther back- she was still Sarah Heath. My local station said they had a new sports reporter- a woman sports reporter! Well hallelujah! Finally- a woman breaking through the line of men! About time. And then she spoke. Not only was she not a good sports reporter- who didn't improve with time-she had the most aggravating voice to boot. I'd rather listen to chalk on a chalk board. The next time I start hearing of her again when it came to politics. She became mayor of the little town I had lived in. I didn't associate who she was then with how I first knew her because of her name change, until I heard her speak. I didn't like what she was doing as a mayor. It wasn't right or fair. She screwed a bunch of people over. And then she became governor. I admit, I wasn't there when that happened. But had I been, I would have voted for anyone but. I stayed up on the politics even when I wasn’t there so I had the opportunity to listen to some of the gubernatorial "debate" tapes from the general election in 2006. You listen to them and you too would wonder why anyone voted for her. All 114,000 of them. She would not have been elected if there had not been 6 candidates for Governor on the general ballot.
But on to the "hunt". I grew up hunting. I was a country girl, a Montana girl, and I learned to shoot at a young age, took hunters safety class at 12, couldn't even get a license until 14, but it didn't stop me from going with my dad, brothers and uncles and the many other people that used to come out a go hunting with my dad. I even embarrassed a few when I could outshoot them with their own gun. (I had never shot a gun with a scope before.) We all carried our own guns and I had to work the bolt myself. If we couldn’t- we weren’t old enough to go hunting. As a small sized girl, I still had no difficulty in handling the rifle I was using. No one else was going to do it for me. I do not watch Palin’s show but I saw the clip on another show and I would have been embarrassed to look as incompetent as she did. I think they had a tame caribou (they have them up there) that didn’t know enough to be afraid of humans. Because I have never ever seen a wild big game animal stand so long with so many missed shots and just stand there waiting to be shot. It has been my experience and the experience of all the hunters I know that you had better get it in the first shot because you may not get a second. Six or more is unheard of. Just the fact that there was only one caribou standing there waiting to be shot was unusual too. I have seen herds of caribou but I don’t recall ever seeing one by itself. Moose yes, but not caribou. I won’t say it can’t happen. Just unusual.
As an adult who lived for many years in Alaska, so I am also familiar with hunting in the Last Frontier. I know that for all the talk, Sarah Palin is not a hunter. Check it out. As far back as anyone has checked she hasn't had a hunting license. Nor has she had a fishing license. If you are helping on a fishing boat you are supposed to be licensed. She did get busted once- back in '93 I think, for fishing without a license. But for all her talk, it is just that- talk. It isn't true- it isn't honest. I know too much about her and what she has done to admire anything about her. I was reading the responses from others on this page & saw that several people believe that she is capable of being president. I have a very different position on that. But even putting all that aside- tell me what has been done in the past two years that has done anything to restrict the 2nd Amendment or hunting rights? Why do you think it is necessary to have someone like Palin in office if no one is threatening the rights we currently have? I know President Obama even tried his hand at fly fishing in Montana and has said he believes in the 2nd Amendment and does not want to restrict responsible citizens in owning guns or hunting and fishing. I can't recall any candidates saying they wanted to change 2nd Amendment rights or hunting rights in the more recent years, whether they are hunters or fisherman or not. So if there is no threat, why is it so important to have someone you perceive to be supportive- even if that person is not the brightest light bulb in the lamp? Would you seriously want a president who isn't smart? That has to be trained in what to do and say by those around them? I'm sorry, but I don't understand that. I want a president that I can feel confident is at least as smart as I am and I think I prefer they be smarter. I know that isn't what you would get with that woman, so when I see comments like that, it worries me. I don't want to settle and I don't want this country to settle. A person who lies about what kind of hunter she is not the person I want in charge. The proof was in the clip I saw. I know hunters and that was no hunter.

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from shane wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Clay - your definition of pseudosportsman is hugely ironic in that it describes Palin in all her non-boot-wearing rifle fumbling recoil inquiring glory.

Here's a definition from Einstein -

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

Shoot baby shoot!

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from John L wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

" I do not watch Palin’s show but I saw the clip on another show"
So, on this basis, you'd also discount Obambi for his gutterball attempt at bowling?

" So if there is no threat, why is it so important to have someone you perceive to be supportive- even if that person is not the brightest light bulb in the lamp? Would you seriously want a president who isn't smart? That has to be trained in what to do and say by those around them? I'm sorry, but I don't understand that. I want a president that I can feel confident is at least as smart as I am and I think I prefer they be smarter"

How's the teleprompter in chief doing for ya'?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

ya' know shane,

Sadly to say Of all people, I'm disappointed at you.

You have your Fathers trusted rifle, it is suppose to work flawlessly but it didn't.

She likes to hunt and nobody ever said She was a Guide or some big time hunter. Who are you or anyone else to claim to be authoritarian on this matter.

For myself, I've had a healthy taste of Alaska for four solid years and did so working long hours getting up before sunrise preparing for an event and after everyone is long gone. I worked with the Sportsmen of Alaska hearing it, seeing and most of all doing it first hand.

SNIT HAPPENS!

Pseudosportsman?

GO LOOK AT THE MIRROR!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

One more thing Shane,

Antihunters just love folks like you!

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from shane wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

That episode was a home run for the antis.

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from Montana Rose wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

John L-
I think this president is doing a whole lot better than the last one and a million percent better than Palin would ever be. When you see her approval rating in her home state is only 33%, don't you think they might know a bit about it?

As far as bowling goes, I have bowled once in my life. That night, I had some strikes, some spares and some gutter balls. I watched long time bowlers do the same. I even dated a pro bowler once and even he rolled an occasional gutter ball. I worked in a bowling alley and saw all kinds of bowling. Sometimes depending on how much drinking went on. But until you have to excel as a bowler in order to be president, then I'm not going to worry about whether this president bowled well or not. I can only think of one who was nuts about bowling and that's why we have a bowling lane in the White House. I have seen clips of the president playing basketball and he seems to hold his own pretty well in that. He had a whole lot more playing time on his high school basketball team than Palin did in hers. Contrary to what they try to make people believe, she was not a star basketball player, a "hockey mom" or an experienced hunter. And she wasn't a very good mayor or governor either.

However, a commenter earlier said something along the line Palin could be trained to do the right things by those around her if she were elected. That sounds pretty scary to me. I cannot fathom why anyone would want to have a president who has to be "trained". Why not just elect the trainer instead? This woman has so little knowledge about so many important issues and she has shown little interest. She has a serious problem with stringing words together into any kind of sensible statement and other than speaking in sound bites primarily designed to elicit anger from her listeners, she has little to offer. I prefer people with more knowledge and class to inhabit the White House.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Poor Mont. Rose, you must surely be dissapointed with the joke we have in the white house now.

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from John L wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Montana Rose,
You are obviously a very literate person, but I cannot for the life of me see any truths in what you write.
We'll have to agree to disagree, vehemently.
If BO2's basketball skills are so evident, why aren't his birth certificate or grade transcripts?
Sarah Palin's background has been widely discussed, why has BO's been so skillfully (and financially) hidden?
I'd pay good money to see them play basketball, bowl, or debate policy and beliefs. (Sans teleprompters)
jl

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from jeffisutherland wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Hil,

Thank you for posting a well-thought out response to the article. It is nice to see that people can add comments to a discussion without resorting to insulting the subject of the article!

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from Steve Baker wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

David, your comments about Sara Palin was just wrong. You need to stick to writing about guns.And stop making stupid
comments. Sara Palin is on the side of the gun owners and hunters. The first wrong comment that I read concerned box magazine for rifles caused poaching. That is like saying matches cause forest fires. As a hunter ed instructor in Missouri I wish every rifle had a box magazine they would be safer to load and unload. Perhaps you will think before you will making any more off color comments.

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from Steve Baker wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

David, your comments about Sara Palin was just wrong. You need to stick to writing about guns.And stop making stupid
comments. Sara Palin is on the side of the gun owners and hunters. The first wrong comment that I read concerned box magazine for rifles caused poaching. That is like saying matches cause forest fires. As a hunter ed instructor in Missouri I wish every rifle had a box magazine they would be safer to load and unload. Perhaps you will think before you will making any more off color comments.

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from TJU wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

Anyone ever watch Mr. whitetail himself, Larry Weishuhn?? This guy...a professional experienced hunter misses more than anyone Ive EVER seen!!!

Lay off Sarah for cryin out loud. It was her dad's gun...Scope of WAY off....Put the guides gun in her hand and she did a fine job.

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from coachsjike wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

what the rest of you ding dongs seem to forget is that Sarah's show is about how real of a person she is. so what she missed six times. big deal! she has been criticized for taking a caribou to begin with. she has been criticized from every political group including PETA. she does not care about your comments or anyone else's. that is what makes her genuine. i don't see a show about george bush and his oil antics in texas or a show about obama in hawaii.

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

from WA Mtnhunter 4 days ago
plevena1
"I don't consider myself one of anyone's "ilk", but I will respectfully respond to your post and say that I would not vote for a knucklehead regardless of whether they fish and hunt or not. Knuckleheads are not restricted to any party or persuasion, so you have to get the facts straight regarding philosophy, track record, and honesty.
Take the current Capon in Chief; even if he were a Republican, no way would I have voted for such a knucklehead with such limited experience at leading anything except community activism. Why, even his VP and Sec of State said that during the campaign and ya'll still voted for him! What this country needs is real leadership, not more hacks. Let someone step to the podium with real ideas that are good for the country and a track record backing it up and I'll vote for him/her".

OK, I'll bite, name one politician who meets all your criteria and does not qualify as a "Knucklehead". Our current cnc? That fool has less experience than this woman you call a knucklehead, she is more of a conservative than any republican serving in congress. If you would turn off katie couric and the tv as a whole and look into Ms. Palin I'll bet you you will find she is more like you and me than any 100 conservatives. And as far as experience goes . . . At least she listens and is willing to abide by her oath, something mr bowing obama still isn't able to do.

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Mr Petzal, you're about two weeks late to this debate. Check previous blogs. Chad Love's...Dec 13th.
One thing obvious,from the previous blog and from this one, no one's mind will be changed as to their opinions, political and otherwise, on Governor Palin. Regardless of her success, skill or not on the hunt.
So, just stirring the pot a little are you? Slow week?
You watched the show? Her "guide" (s) was her 72 y.o. (?)father and a long time family friend. Did you see the parts of the show that demonstrated his knowledge and years in Alaska? Or the abilities of the bush pilots and hunting camp managers? Or them butchering and storing their own meats? How many of the Saturday morning experts have you actually seen field dressing and wrapping their kills on TV? Not that they don't but heaven forbid TV shows them doing it. Some little weenie might get queasy.
The show later showed that the first rifle was definitely out of alignment, not her shooting. (But that's never happened before, right? all you great hunters?) One shot wonders!
This wasn't an instructional video on how to do everything perfectly. You can see those on Saturday mornings, where every buck is a trophy and they all come within 15 yards.
It (and the other shows in the series) are videos about where and how their family lives, and a travelogue for Alaska. We should all be so fortunate.

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from horseman308 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm certain this will put many readers off, but I think this is typical of Palin. I was not at all surprised by it. Basically, she's all mouth, no substance. While her stance on hunting and gun rights is something I agree with, I would rather not be represented by someone who apparently can't perform the activities and tasks for which she would be the spokesperson. And, sadly, this does not stop with hunting - I have yet to hear her say anything to convince me she has the training, education, or natural intelligence to run the country. If she couldn't hack the pressure of being governor of Alaska for a full term, why would she be any better equipped to be in the White House?

For whatever reason, we as the hunting public have yet to come up with a candidate to represent us who does not make us look like morons or fanatics, and it bothers me more than I can state.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

So many things bothered me about that episode, chief among them that her dad said he was packing "a varmint rifle" for Sarah because she didn't like recoil (a varmint rifle on a caribou hunt?) and the fact that she didn't work the bolt herself.

Stuff happens, scopes get knocked out of alignment (her dad had fallen while carrying the gun earlier in the episode). And all of us were beginners at some point and our Dads helped us carry the gun and maybe even work the bolt (though most of us were not adults at this point). My big beef is that Sarah seems to put out this big tough gun-girl hunter image and it's becoming apparent that it is, at the very least, a big exaggeration. If you don't hunt that much and you need some help, fine! Just don't pretend otherwise for political gain.

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from 007 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I feel like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here so I beg your patience for a bit. Mrs. Palin reminds me a bit of Ted Nugent and to a point, the NRA. Is she the best possible politically visible representative of the outdoors, willing to speak up? Maybe not, but until someone better steps to the plate, she's about all we have. I haven't seen any other national candidates willing to stand in the glaring light of public opinion. Lots of folks don't like Nuge's pony tail and choice of music, lots of folks don't care for some of the deals the NRA has struck, the recent thing with Harry Reid being an example, but until something better comes along, we need to stick with what we have. Just my opinion.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Repeat from message board I posted earlier,

Sportsman conduct

I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even form the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your BEST FRIEND the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while one prefers a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

As for SP’s video, I will agree if you’re going to put something out for the entire world to see, at least look good at doing it or just save it for Family viewing. At least “The Best and Worst of Tred Barta” does it as humanly possible as one can with skill. By the way, what’s the latest word on him?

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Hil

Having 4 years solid experience hunting in Alaska , you don't need a cannon to bring down a Caribou, any deer rifle will do period. The best cartridge I've witnessed is the 270 loaded with 130 grain Hornady Soft Points.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To All: Just to make things perfectly clear, as Tricky Dickie used to say, I have nothing against Sarah Palin's politics. That is because I have no idea what they are. Nor do I have any idea what most politicians are about, except in the following instances:

I believe that John Behner is the first Speaker of the House who clearly needs psychiatric help.

I believe that the price for Sen. Mary Landrieu's vote is $30 million.

I believe that Sen. Barbara Feinstein believes that no American should own a handgun except Sen. Barbara Feinstein.

I believe that Sen. Chuck Schumer believes that no American should own any gun, including Sen. Feinstein.

I believe that Rep. Barney Frank is living proof that the people of Massachusetts will send just about any life form to Congress.

That's as far as my political knowledge goes.

To Willegge: No, I'm not convinced. Checked my nose; not bleeding. Checked my heart. Can't find it. I'm not about to watch her show. She has a voice that would worm a St. Bernard. In any event, good hunting to you and a Happy New Year.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Why are we beating on Sarah? Why not beat up on her dad? He and his friend were her "guides". It was his rifle that was off, after he dropped it, then rolled on it or used it to break his fall. Then after she missed the shot she said that it was off but he insisted she keep shooting. He grabbed the rifle worked the bolt then yelled to shoot more(however if my dad was yelling for me to keep shooting, I would keep shooting). When she changed rifles she killed it with one shot. At the end of the show he still had to be proven wrong. He still insisted his rifle was on; it was off by a mile. But what could he know? He's not an expert like we are. He only lives in Alaska and has over 50 years of experience of hunting big game there. What would he know of what caliber to use for caribou. He's only killed, maybe a hundred or so of them. Maybe he could read this and learn a little something from the "experts".

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DavidPetzal;

If you had watched the episode itself, rather than a clip, you would learn that the first rifle Palin shot had screwed up sights. Her father was the one who put both guns in her hand, and when he later checked the sights on the gun Palin missed with, he couldn't hit a pie plate from 50 paces with it. When she borrowed her father's 7mm Magnum, she put a bullet on target with the first shot. That's for openers.

Sarah Palin is the only public figure since "The American Sportsman" in the sixties to even admit to shooting fur bearing animals, let alone doing it on camera. Additions and corrections is all good; advice for future hunts is all good. But please don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Once again, I implore all involved in this rapidly deteriorating blog to focus on the real issue: Sarah Palin has the best understanding, it would seem, of OUR way of life (even if by osmosis from family members). She is also the one candidate who seems mostly likely to stand on her beliefs, and state them plainly.

When was that last time we had a real choice, poor rifle shot or not?

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You must have missed the episode with Kate Goslin where Sara took her to a bear attack course and she pumped two 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge slugs into the kill zone on a charging bear target from 40 feet, that showed some pump gun skill. Maybe Dave should offer his no B.S. rifle course to Sara, that would be entertaining for sure!

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from x1jett wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

An epic exhibition of unsurpassed buffoonery. A complete embarrassment for competent and ethical hunters.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WAM

As for Sarah Palin, She has my total support as do other Sportsmen, WHY?

-Will Durant said it best!

"The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority."

I rest my case!

PS.

I would find it to be a honor to spend an hour or what ever it takes to give Governor Sarah Palin a miniature shooting clinic as for anyone else.

It's the American Sportsmanship to do!

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1st off this whole Sara Palin 6 shot caribou dsicusion is getting old and ragged like Hillary Clinton! HA! DEP, I got Clinton in this one before you! Anyhow what this whole debate boils down to is who likes SP and who does not and nothing more. If you go back and read every last post from every article featured on F&S it started out with Sara not being a hunter and ended with her not being presidential material both of which is political BS. It is dishearting to hear all of you fight over a fellow hunter/semi-hunter. Who really cares how many shots it took? The facts are the gun was dropped and scope wasn't on, dumb rookie mistake which all of us have made and not many will admit to it or are just to damn proud to say so. The point is she is promoting hunting to millions of viewers and some of you are concerened what other treehugging, pot smoking, ken and barbie car driving, homosexual, environazi, ect... think of you? Get real no matter whether she made a 1 shot 1 kill she and us are still murderers in their eyes and as far as I'm concerened they can kiss my @$$ and scrogg a goat I don't give a damn about those people and neither should you. It is just a convient excuse to bash on SP. Why don't you focus your political issues on political issues. Try critizing our current president and all the things he has done wrong and I challenge you to point out one thing he has done correct to date.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

99

One of the favorite varmint rifles in Alaska is the 25-06 which has plenty of steam to knock down any Caribou! By the way, 243's with 105 grain is a bit small in my book (I prefer 25-06), but I've witnessed Junior Shooters knockem down just as well. O'ya, varmint rifle include shooting wolves too!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

There you go again!

Tell me, where in the Constitution does it say "the separation of church and state"?

Wishful thinking Bella for trying again to pass false information again!

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By the way, if you see a Savage Muzzle Loader for sale, grab it! One on the internet started at $600 and sold for $1600!

WOW!

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Caribou hunting in the subartic is most often a meat hunt. What was unethical? missing?

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from BlackDiamond70 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You know, they all processed that meat, put it in their freezer, and because a father is always going to try to help his kids, no matter what age. He dropped the rifle, she took that animal, hauled out the meat, and the personn who thinks Palin is a fake. You're not conservative, you're a liberal, you attack when you can't hold your own on with answers. Are you just jealous? She did a fine job and so did her dad. And she's got my vote, when and if she decides to run for the presidency. They're stopping the sale of ammo in California Jan.1st, 2011, little by little, the anti gun people are taking away our rights, and abilities to own and use a weapon, fun hunting or self protection. So I wonder if you could have done this hunt, or if you're a couch comentater, with nothing better to do than whine! We need a leader like her at the helm of this ship, America, And showing your jealousy, shows your ignorance! Get a life, before they're out of them. My gosh, what a bunch of weenies! Get you a show and show us how its really done, or juwt whut up, so the rest of us can enjoy Mrs. Palin's show, where she shows us all, just how down home and a real person she really is!
TM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One more thing Bella and see if I get this right.

Without a Government taking care of you and without handouts (Government charity), your one worthless soul and so is everyone else.

Is this correct?

Listening to you it is!

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from wgiles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Too many people have judged her by the video and not by the hour long episode. There are too many details missing from the video. Her guide was her father, it was his rifle, he wanted here to shoot the caribou, when she used their friend Becker's rifle, she got the caribou with one shot. They later shot here father's rifle, which I think was a 7mm, and couldn't hit a paper plate. It's been too long since I saw the episode and I'm forgetting details. We too often reach conclusions about something without having all of the details and videos are too easily edited to sway us to one point of view. If this had been on one of the hunting channels, we would only have seen the successful shot. Way too much is being made of this and it is dividing us when we need to be united. As Clay Cooper quoted above:

-Will Durant said it best!

"The political machine triumphs because it is a united minority acting against a divided majority."

This is real, the antis are using our own division against us.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Oh, and Bella;

In some strange way, people like you think that an environment where a Christian politician can admit to being a Christian is establishing a state religion. Aren't you sick of insulting Christians? Aren't we a poor target for you? The fact that American Christians stand with their hands down while people like you punch them over and over should convince that they are what they say they are. Why don't you take on the Muslims for a change? Print a cartoon with Muhammad in it, or write a book that is mildly offensive to Muslims. See how long you last. Or better, keep on picking on Christians. They're like ducks in a barrel.

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gentlemen, now I don't know any of you, nor do I know Ms. Palin but . . . . Evidently this forum is staffed and visited by a bunch of left wingers who have never done any real hunting, because if you had and listened to the whole show you wouldn't be ragging on her. So how may of you experts have missed a shot? Yeah, like I thought, no one. Maybe you need to go back and read the classics? I recommend you start with the works of WDM Bell or maybe Robert Ruark, those two gentlemen missed more shots than this whole bunch of "experts"! For her to allow that to be posted shows she has more BALLS than most of you. She could have easily edited that out, like I'll put money on is a daily happening here, but she didn't. What does that show? Poor marksmanship? No, it shows she is human. I stopped reading field & stream long ago, now I remember why.

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from NHshtr wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DP I don't recall Sarah Palin saying she was a life-long hunter. She claimed she was raised in a hunting family and was exposed to hunting all her life. Me thinks you need to lighten up.

I'm not a Sarah for President supporter at all, but she is openly "in your face" supporting the 2nd Amendment and hunting. How many of our politicians who claim to support us speak on national TV so candidly about those issues?

She is scrutinized by every liberal rag on the planet. They can't find any dirt, so they trod on her voice, her family, her mannerisms, past poor interviews, etc. Not many people could survive the scrutiny and exposure that she has and still come across as a good person - even if not familiar with rifles. I hope she stays out there talking and exposing people to the 2nd Amendment, hunting, and fishing.

To me (and it seems to many others)it appears from your commentary and reply challenge, that for whatever reason, you had a bias against her to begin with.

After all the above responses, maybe you were open to viewing a couple of more episodes. I wonder if you have any second thoughts about her.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sort of like our friend John Kerry's description of 'crawling on his belly with his double barreled shotgun deer hunting' or Slick Willie's staged duck hunt. God bless 'em one and all, they try hard don't they...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks focusfront and a +1

blueridge as you and everyone else already knows, I'm a flat out supporter for any Sportsman who is of good moral beliefs. If I didn’t step-up to the plate and give it my all, that in itself would make Uncle Teds statement about me to be false therefore I’m not going to let him down!

Paul Wilke said it best!

I'm a Dad and a Granddad and sick of living in the burbs. If either of my daughters had filmed a hunt like that with me, there would be nothing but pride. That was a daughter playing up to her Dad, I have no doubt that she has her own rifle and can stand a little kick, but she's being Daddy's girl. If you can't see that, give up watching.
It was a show folks, and pretty well done. If you don't believe that try filming your own.
It was also in some country that I haven't had any experience of ( nice to see), and demonstrated a butchering method that I haven't tried, but hope to.
All in all, a good SHOW.

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It has been my life long experience as I said before, “I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think” I find themselves to be as guilty if not more. I’ve grew up both on the range and in the field which ables me to compete in both worlds quite well holding my own even with the Big Boys. It’s like being ambidextrous able to shoot either hand.

So for thous of you who must run your mouth like a dog wags its tail against SP or for anyone else, perhaps one day you yourself will be in the same spotlight.

So you think you’re that tough, let’s step back on the 200 yard line standing or even 1000 yard line and NRA Rule High Power Rules apply and let’s really see what you really got and remember this, one day I well be sticking up for you!

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Interesting thoughts about Sarah's caribou hunt. Nevertheless, the outdoorsmen are much better off with a national figure proudly showing off their family hunting tradition on national television. It is about time.

Also, we shouldn't shoot at running game? Visit a hunting party in the north woods where many members still use a 94 winchester with a peep and you will realize that this rule does not work in all conditions.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Willegge: Since you've actually seen Ms. Palin shoot, perhaps you can enlighten us as to the following:

1. One of the first things you learn as a hunter is that any scoped rifle which has been dropped is automatically suspect and should not be shot at game until it's been checked and re-zeroed if necessary. Why did Ms. Palin and her guides ignore this basic rule?

2. When you saw her shoot, what kind of guns (rifle, handgun, shotgun) did she use? What calibers/gauges? What distance? What did she shoot at? How often did she hit? When did all this take place?

3. On what basis do you say her knowledge was "superb?"

We all await your answers. I may have done Ms. Palin a terrible injustice, which only you can help correct.

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from Del in KS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Given the choice between Sara and Obama or some other anti-gun Liberal hack I think Sara is the way to go.

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from JCB wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I vote to send Dave to Alaska to give Sara some lessons. The gun she was using was her dad's and he had taken a fall with the rifle previously. Obviously the scope got knocked out of alignment. She may not be the best gun owner/politician, but she is at least on our side.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

Let me get this right,

Bella- needs to payoff your debt and to pay for health coverage and worked 70 hours this last pay period.

Ol'Joe- demands not to put in no more than 36 hours in and demands full benefits.

Both have been paid and despite all the work and rewards Bella has put in, Ol'Joe wants not only the same pay for less work, he wants free benefits!

Tax time comes around and all Bella's work was for nothing and Ol'Joe is now enjoying his new ride and Imax entertainment system while Bella is refinancing her house just to pay bills!

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I find it funny for those in New York complaining about no sidewalk plows. In Alaska, we called it a shovel!

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“It is my right to be uncommon...if I can; I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stole calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done, and this is what it means to be an American.”
-Dean Alfrange

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from dickgun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well, Dave,
You lit a few firecrackers with this one - just a couple of days early!
I came to AK the year of Statehood and never left. I have shaken the hand and talked with every Governor including Gov Palin. Some were better than others, all were politicians. I do find it interesting (sometimes amusing) to see how many experts on AK exist. Some have been to AK and some have not. Reminds me of a few bear hunters I have guided who after a 7 - 10 bear hunt in AK became an expert on all things about bear and bear hunting.
I will make this comment regarding Gov. Palin. After 12-16 years worth of Governors who refused to accept and deal with the fact that if we continued our path the wolves would outnumber the ungulates. She immediately attacked the problem and a program was developed that enabled both the State and private residents to begin a meaningful reduction of the wolf population. They said it couldn't be done. It continues effectively after she moved on to bigger and better? things.
President? Well the man we now have in the White House is, reputedly, the smartest, the most intelligent human ever to occupy the office. His cerebral layer is so advanced that it has been said that he is actually bored with the mundane activities of Governing. Are you happy now?

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from Figgis wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I agree with ohiodeerhunter who said, "Far too many of the things on the show seem to be first-time experiences for Ms. Palin,and all her gear seems to be brand new too."

This is exactly my impression. In fact, tonight I happened to see the episode where the family went to observe bears. Although she's someone who claims a visceral and longstanding attachment to the land of Alaska, her reactions to the the most basic elements of the Alaskan outdoors prove her to be a neophyte.

I'm married to someone who lived in and knows Alaska, and I have friends who hail from the great state. She is not as popular there as many in the lower 48 would believe. And there's are plenty of reasons, including her repeated misrepresentations of who she is on every front. The TLC show just proves this over and over again.

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from keithjoyner wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought her dad's comments about the "varmint rifle" were playful kidding. What caliber was it? Who knows. Maybe it was a light recoil 7mm-08, which is normally very accurate and certainly capable. Anyway, once they figured out it was the rifle misbehaving, they switched and she got the animal. A "phony" would have cut the missing shots and just shown the hit. And as I remember it, wasn't the caribou standing facing them on a rise. I don't remember her shooting at it while it was running.
Anyway, I like that she is showing that women and families can enjoy hunting and fishing and reap the rewards at the dinner table.

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I think Petzal (and some others) are being a tad harsh. My wife and I watched the show and it was pretty clear the scope had been knocked off zero. Palin had a good rest and looked to be squeezing off pretty good shots without any flinching. I told my wife about the second miss that the rifle was shooting high and it probably happened when her dad (who seems like a hoot) took that spill. Once she changed rifles she did fine. I've also seen her other shows and she handles a shotgun pretty well, including those two slugs pumped into the charging bear target. As for her using a "varmint rifle," that's what her dad called it, but he didn't mention a caliber. It could have been a .243 or even a .25-06. Hell, Elmer Keith thought a .30-06 was a varmint rifle.
Leaving Palin aside and focusing strictly on running shots, since when did that become something you never do? That caribou was broadside, in the open and barely trotting at a steady gait. I would have taken that shot in a nano-second. Over the (many)years I've shot maybe eight or nine running deer, an running antelope, a couple of running hogs and a running mouflon ram in the Davis Mountains. None needed a second shot. As long as you're using a reasonably powerful rifle it's a matter of circumstances. All my running shots have been within 100 yards are much closer. Most involved jumping deer while still-hunting. A few involved relatively undisturbed but moving deer in open canyon country, requiring a short, sustained lead with ample opportunity for followup shots. None of them were particularly difficult, or nearly as challenging as shooting at running jackrabbits, and I've shot a LOT of running jackrabbits. If someone's not comfortable shooting at moving targets, that's fine. Wait for the animal to stop or wave it goodbye. Nor should people be jumping out of moving Jeeps and blazing away at galloping antelope on the distant horizon, which I've seen done in Wyoming. Just don't tell me to NEVER take a shot I know damned well I can make.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella-
You said "Sound economic policies for a business or a government is to maximize revenue before cutting services." That may work for some businesses, but it is a recipe for disaster when practiced by governments. I cite the state of California as an example.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TW Davidson:

So when your dad took you hunting and handed you a rifle, you immediately set up a target and made sure it was zeroed? I congratulate you for your purity. If I had done that, my dad would have thought I was crazy and the hunt would have ended right there.

We all have stories about the one that got away because the sights were off. Certainly if I drop a rifle I wonder if it is sighted in. But sometimes it happens when you don't drop the rifle, or don't know you did. This was Sarah Palin's, and she had the guts to put it on national TV. If this had been a carefully crafted Outdoor Life spot, only the killing shot would ever have made it on to your TV and mine. A politician is finally honest and you get on her for that? No wonder Obama carries a teleprompter in his luggage.

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

She worked the bolt fine on the last round, before handing it back to her dad. She also shows good form in the way she handles a gun...Too bad DP has a blatant dislike for her. I could usually like reading his posts, but if he doesn't know it was her dad taking away the gun, and cycling the bolt, then he really doesn't want to see the way Sarah is, and didn't listen or watch the clip without letting his dislike get in the way. Maybe he never listened to his dad, or knew to respect your parents. Or maybe he just didn't listen...?

You're getting mighty defensive, DP, is it because you know you're wrong on this one? And afraid to make it right?

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from dcloutier40 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mr. Petzel you should be ashamed. You are a cannibal of all that is a true sportsman. You pick the bone clean to make yourself appear the true sportsman in a politically correct arena. We sportsman should be grateful that a potential president elect enjoys or at least recognizes and celebrates are way of living. Politics in mind I am still waiting for our saviour. But until that time Sarah Palin is in your face about what we hold sacred. Why don't you resign and join Jim Zumbo who also chose the path of political correctness over what made him a successful outdoor writer.

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from The Shot wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I much admire Sara's pluck and prowess as a human being. Give her credit, she made the shot when handed another rifle, one shot too. And proficient with the shotgun on the charging bear target. Walking and stalking in the tundra, camping and fishing in the rain...all with a positive attitude and always up-beat. How fortunate to have a good woman like that as a wife, mother, and a patriot. Butchering up the meat and packing it away in the freezer for the family's food supply. Bravo Sara, Bravo..!!!!!

As for taking shots on the run, whether an enemy in combat or game in the field, flying, loping, or galloping full out, marksmanship includes taking the shot if the shooter believes that he or 'SHE' is capable of making the kill.

In the game fields I've taken many a bird, and dozens of game animals with one well placed shot. The key is to know one's abilities, and how to lead the game with a particular firearm and load, the angle, distance, shooting up hill or down into valleys, across terrain that's known as 'dead ground', the wind if any, or any other factors that influence making the shot. 'The Great Ones' know that you can't make any score...if you don' take 'TheShot'!

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from Douglas wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Most politicians, of all stripes, are buffoons because those who could represent real people have too much sense to get involved in the political games.
There just ain't anyone to vote for out there.
Now, if DE Petzel were to step up....

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Name an elected president from the last 20 years that could truthfully be described as "presidential material". Labels or not, genuine or not, we may have her on the ballot. We had best resolve to support that which we may be given.

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from elmer f. wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

geesh, if anyone caught me on tape shooting an missing any game animal 6 times, i would make absoloutly certain that the tape got destroyed. can i miss? certainly. it happens to all of at one time or another. and hunting with a hoard of people right there with you, can not be the easiest situation either. but come on, 6 TIMES! even if the scope went screwy, stop shooting after 3 anyway. stuff happens, but to just continuing to sling lead downrange shows poor shooting skills, judgement, and ethics.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Good point, 99. Where I'm from, "varmint" means coyotes and fox, definitely not wolves!

I did have to laugh when Sarah said "Dad, does it kick?" He said no and she tells the other guy, "He always says that!" Sounds like my dad. :)

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Again, I must emphasize that "United We Stand"......we had best get behind the potential candidate that openly supports the Sportsman's agenda, indeed the U.S. Constitution.

Bickering and in-fighting over the technique Ms. Palin used to take a caribou is not the issue. The fact that she had the guts to display to the nation her family heritage - hunting - IS the issue. We should take note of anyone with that type of conviction - especially someone that is a POTENTIAL FRONT RUNNER.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hil

To answer your question,

Yes a portion of the spectrum of the use and ability of varmint cartridges and deer cartridges do in fact overlap.

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from coleprice59 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

First, let's focus on the positive. Sarah advocated for hunters and did a pretty good job making the argument that in many parts of America (and the world), people depend upon meat from hunting for sustenance. What caught my eye is that she didn't know how to cycle the bolt on her rifle and that she missed because the rifle wasn't zeroed. Verifying that your gun is shooting accurately prior to using it on an animal is an important ethical consideration for hunters. Please note that once she was handed a rifle that shot where she was aiming, the animal was killed with the next shot. Although some of the comments expressed surprise that someone might be hunting caribou with a "varmint rifle", it's important to remember that a .243 is a varmint cartridge and a .22-250 is as well, both of which have plenty of power to dispatch a caribou (although it may not be legal with the .22-250) if using the right bullet and placement is in the boiler room, neck or brain.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

ROFLMAO!

O’MAN!

Does this bring backs memories!

Dar I wuz!

Holloman AFB New Mexico and we were having tryouts for the Base Team and a couple of those trying out were just cutting down a young teenage Girl shooting 50 Meter Small Bore. They were saying they can take their Ruger 10-22 and out shoot her. Yep, when we counted there score, we didn’t count the score; we counted the hits on paper. As for that Young Teenager shooting 50 Meters? Just a couple of months later June 86 it wuz, this suppose to be an easy knock off was trying out for the Olympics at The NRA Whittington Center at Raton New Mexico. As for those other individuals, they didn’t even come close to making the cut!

If you’re going to shoot off your mouth, don’t you think you should be able to shoot first?! !?! LOL!
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By the way, in the video I notice Sarah not walking and moving so good. Good chance she too had a spill or two and those Alaska rocks are just as hard and as unforgiving as any place else! I've had my fair share of spills and I would walk like that and so will you :)

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Some still think hunting Alaska is the same as there hunts in Margaritaville!

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, Would you take a moment and read my prior post which is several above yours? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS SO PLEASE LEAVE IT ALONE!

Fiscal responsibilty is simple and she has simply stated in the past, and that being of common sense: " If you do not have the money to spend on something then don't buy it", sounds like pretty sound advice to me. Please explain to me what doesn't make sense with this statement, I'm curious as to what is wrong with it? I have had to pass up buying things that I didn't have the money for and refused to put it on a credit card. I suppose I'm fiscally irresponsible or niave?

Yes, I know I just started a political discussion after saying this has nothing to do with it.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I noticed Sara didn't get smacked in the eyebrow with the scope and bleed all over the place like Dave does quite reguarly, I'm guessing it requires 30 years of experience with scoped rifles and write gun stories for Field and Stream to accomplish that trick on a regular basis.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank God someone of your stature, not statue, stated the obvious. I lost my thing for her when she gave up the governor position in Alaska. She's all about money and herself.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I enjoyed the summary of DEP's political beliefs, although a couple of them are in need of correction:
Rep. John Boehner's immediate predecesor as Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, was more likely the first Speaker delusional enough to benefit from psychiatric help.
Sen. Chuck Schumer has a Concealed Handgun Permit in New York City, so he obviously believes that at least one American should own a handgun.
Just my two cents worth.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

David, see what you went and started! LOL!!!

Ted DiBiase the “Million Dollar Man” who I met said it best. The higher you climb in the success in life, the more exposed your posterior becomes a target!

As shooting lessons go, a few here can use some themselves. The names have been withheld to protect those most need it the most. LOL!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As for Subway Schumer,

“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8

The boy will say anything!!

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

NEW DISCOVERY!!!

If you get impatient and click the "submit" button twice, it doesn't "hurry up" as one might desire but instead posts your comment twice.

And that my friend, is how you get to vote a +1 for yourself twice!

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1st off Great posts by Clay Cooper!

Bella
#1)Those 2% of the wealthiest(myself not being close to one of them) pay 90% of the taxes, not just a number I made up but a fact. So what is your ideal tax rate for those 2%? 95%? 98%? 99.999%? What amount in taxes do you pay a year after recieving your refund at the end of the year? Just assuming, but I'm guessing your in a tax bracket like myself where you get back more than you put in. Is that fair to those who pay taxes? I fell out of the chair when my tax lady told me how much I was getting back last year, I felt dirty from getting back more than what I put in. There is a problem with our tax system when 2% pay 90% of the tax burden and then others receive a refund for more than they put in. If you want to be equall and fair to all we need the fair tax, but I doubt you would go for that because that would be a burden to you.

#2) At age 29 I have learned enough in my life to realize I receive a pay check from a man and his father who took a risk before I was born to invest in a business to make money and to help others make money. I also learned that when the owners of the companies I have worked for are burdened with higher costs, be it taxes or whatever their employees suffer, either by lower pay, less hours, less sales which lead to the prior two ways of cutting their costs. Also there is no such thing as the "trickle down method" it would be more accurately depicted as the "circle jerk method", that being I work for a wealthy man who owns a company that employs me and gives me a paycheck each week for the work I have done for him and in return I spend my money at local businesses and they pay their employees and those employees buy from local business and when things are good those businesses need to expand and create jobs and in my case add an addition or build a new facility which then puts money in my owners pocket and at that point the process starts all over. So the rich don't just get rich from us, we also get paid for what we do. Have you ever received a paycheck from a poor man/woman?

#3) "Another fiscally irresponsible notion that one can raise revenue by cutting programs, which adds nothing to the budget". I will attempt to explain this so you understand. Past programs are already put in the budget so the next year your not creating more spend your continuing the spending at previous levels, which is why people bend over backwards to spend budgeted money or they will lose it the next FY. So in a sense your correct but flawed. By cutting pre-existing programs the prior budgeted money is freed up to pay down debt as long as it isn't used for another worthless program. So in the end you do create revenue(bad use of word but it works) by cutting programs that don't add to any "NEW" budget.

#4) Sarah doesn't want to reward those who created this mess. She wants a government for the people that is responsible which we all should want. To clear up your misconceived notion companies created this mess. It was our government who started this mess, and guess what it wasn't Bush or Obama! Thats a suprise to most I know but it is a fact. It is more accurately linked to Pres. Clinton. What happened was the government wanted to make it easy for the low middle class(where I'm at) and the working poor to be able to get a loan for a home with stated income amoung other things. Well that was all fine and dandy until people signed into ARM's and thing like this. Also the bankers/investors(that may include you if you have a 401k or pension fund)found a way to make money off of these risky investments and di very well for along time doing so but all good things must come to an end and it did late 07 to early 08. But what really blew the top off the bubble was not only did the ARM's start expiring but people started investing into commodities like gas with no intention of receiving their investment which caused gas companies to short supply actual buyers of the gas and in the caused gas prices to sore. That was the straw that broke the camels back. You must connect the dots even if it means you find out your love is a cheater, lier, and con. I caught a show over the weekend that was pretty good. I'm not a big fan of Jesse Venture and much of the hollywood types in politics, because politics isn't hollywood or a game, especially when you have 308+ million peoples lives at stake, but anyhow his show Conspiracy Theory done on Wall Street Bankers, the Government, and the Crash was pretty accurate and I think you would like it and it would inform you as to what really went on.

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from Amflyer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dcast sez:

"Amflyer, Drink decaf!"

Sorry. I tend to see humor in most everything, mostly so I don't sit in the corner of my reloading room pulling out my hair and scaring the GSP.

When I die, I hope to be surrounded by my family, slowly drifting out of consciousness...only to jerk my eyes open, snort loudly, and yell "NOW I get it!"

Republicans, democrats, salesmen, the BCS, Michael Jackson...life has to be a big practical joke.

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sarah Palin...lights up Dr. Petzel's blog like a beer sign at midnight. I love to be a fly on the wall at her place, when a staffer brings this blog to her to look at. She will probably determine to be a better prepared shot, if there is a next time. Some good things:
Petzel doesn't miss much...
Neither does our shooting and hunting crowd...
We are a passionate bunch.
Sarah has been coached by her Dad for a long time.
They, Daughter and Dad, are a team.
She hunts.
and yes...she is pretty.

If I ventured to know anything from experience, I would take her out WITH her Dad, and a 6.5mm or a 7mm, and get her sighted in well. Nuff said.

Thanks, Dave.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman

As for Christian beliefs, if your going to trash it, doesn't you think you need to learn something about it or would you prefer the new political correct religion now, Sharia law.

Please report to your local sports arena for beheading!

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One thing I didn't address in the previous post and should have is that Palin has never once claimed to be either a great hunter or a crack shot. Both she and her dad have said that she goes on a caribou hunt with him once a year and has since she was a little girl. The object is probably to spend time in the field with her dad as much as it is to shoot anything. She also goes on a hunting trip or two each year with her husband, which is probably the same thing. What she has done is consistently defend hunting as a management tool and a legitimate form of recreation. How many other politicians in this day and age would ever kill anything on camera and then be seen field dressing it and packaging it up for the freezer? That's worth something in my book. It's also worth noting -- if you've actually watched the shows -- that she's consistently cheerful, useful around camp, more than willing to pull her own weight and totally careless about how she looks while she's doing it. That should also be worth something.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

BElla:

First, your facts are off. Alabama spends about $8000 a year to incarcerate a felon (the cheapest): Maine spends about $45,000 a year (the highest). Considering that the average felon does well over $100,000 a year in damage to society when he runs loose, all are bargains.

Second, it is funny that you want the rich to pay for the privilege of living here, while your fellow travelers just tried to get FREE citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, with college thrown in. It would make a little more sense the other way around.

Sarah Palin drew down on a wild animal, harvested it, and butchered it on film. She ought to be your hero, Bella. What male politician has had the cahones to do as much?

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

1. "Sigh"
2. David you're a professional pot stirer I'm sure of it.
3. Bella if her polls are bad imagine what yours would be?

She gave us an honest hunting show. Yes there's room for improvement. But I would venture to say we could find flaw in a televised hunting show of any one of yours. Since when does she have to be perfect?

Secondly after my caribou hunt this fall in Alaska I was not only convinced but humbled in regards to how difficult it was. So unless you have come to Alaska and hunted caribou I suggest you reserve a tiny bit of judgement until you've got one shot one kill under your belt.

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Lets face it, Dave has Sara envy dripping off his text!, Sara lives in Alaska, Raises a family in Alaska, was the govenor of Alaska, Hunts and Fishes in Alaska, has a hit TV show, and might be running for President. Dave is....,well..,Dave. I wonder how much film winds up on the editing floor of a Gun Nuts episode??

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from woodsmanj35 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Wow this turned into a peeing match! I think I'll join the fun!
1) DEP is a pot stirrer, if you don't know that then go back and read his older posts
2) DEP doesn't care that he's a pot stirrer. So get over it.
3) Dave and all the other editors are probably laughing so hard they're crying over this idiotic banter.
4) Sarah isn't the best hunter, but she Isnt the worst either. She's willing to be truthful in the fact that she shot six times and missed. At least she's not John Kerry. anybody remember his BS?
5) I think she's starting to go over the edge with all this "mama grizzly" stuff. Her 15 minutes of fame is over. She is performing on a dark stage with no spotlight.
6) politics are not sensible, orderly or fair. The sooner the wimps on this board learn that the better
7) Sarah is better than the gun hating liberals that are out there. So let's take the hand that we're dealt and play it as best as we can
8) being smart has nothing to do with politics. If you want to be a good politian then just appeal to the majority of the idiots and promise to tax the $hit out of the smart people.
9) most people will agree with little I have to say. And will give me lots of minuses. I have news for you, I DON'T CARE.
10) if you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them.

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from wingshooter54 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

The last president who hunted and could damn well shoot AND was worth a tinker's damn was Teddy Roosevelt.
With today's politicians I could care less if they can shoot, hunt, put one pants leg on at a time or not as long as they fight their asses off protecting the 2nd amendment. To the above Palin bashers: I would take her today as VP over the foppish ass-kissing buffoon that rode BO's coattails into the White House.

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from MReeder wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Dave P.
Hadn't been back on in a couple of days and just saw your gratuitous slap at John Boehner. I happened to have dealt with and worked for John Boehner on a few occasions over the years -- with me always in the subservient position -- and he was one of the nicest, most decent guys you'd ever want to meet, no matter what your politics might be. He treated the least powerful person in the room as well as he treated the most powerful, was always extremely polite and never deviated one degree in private from the things he said in public. Just an all-around, genuinely nice guy. I don't know what would lead you to say something that nasty about someone you've obviously never met. Does he need a psychiatrist because he got choked up thinking about what a great country it is we live in when a guy who arose from circumstances as modest as his can end up three steps away from the Presidency? Personally, that's exactly the kind of person I want in office -- someone who still gets a lump in his throat when he sees old Glory waving in the wind and who feels the weight of his responsibilities as a tangible burden. This is a guy who was one of 12 siblings from a working class family (and I personally hate talking about "class" at all in a country where class is transient) who got where he is through his own hard work, ability and merit. Wouldn't you feel a little emotional if you were in his shoes?
I appreciate the fact that you're a curmudgeon. Hell, I'm 57 and I've been a curmudgeon since I was 20 and I've been perfecting it every year since. But there's a difference between being a curmudgeon and a total jerk. For one thing, be damned sure the target of your public contempt actually deserves it. Otherwise, it's just wasted bile. And that's from someone who likes reading your column, likes watching your tv show and by and large likes you, or at least the person you seem to be from the outside looking in. Personally, I wish we could just drop the politics completely and stick to guns and hunting, since no one's mind is ever going to be changed by anything on one of these blogs anyway. Speaking of which, do you seriously believe there is never any justification for taking any running shot at any running animal under any conditions? Because I'm still trying to figure that one out.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

For the Team to win, it all lays in the hand of the one who cares less. – Author unknown

Think about it....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walt, I was going to pinch it off but for you I'll do one more time because I care!

As for the political side of this, Governor Palin went up against the Good Ol'Boys and took them head on and won and they sure didn't like it! As for taxes, she believed Americans are being overtaxed. Take a single mother of three who works 40 or less hours a week at minimum wage. She only makes about $14,000 dollars a year. Although she does pay some taxes like SSAN and Medicare, she pays no Federal tax. By the time she receives food stamps, Medicaid and other adjusted addition benefits, she takes home around the equivalent of $34,000. Now take another single Mother of three who went to school and busts her butt to bring home and give her kids the best and receives no State or Federal benefits. But because she makes $64,000 a year, after taxes she brings home $34,000 dollars despite all the work she has done. As for the other, why work!

I truly believe there is a certain level of responsibility in everyone and they should be held to those standards. But make no mistake as I know firsthand in dealing with every walk of life every day here at the job, there are those can’t hit the ground with both feet and it’s not at all their fault due to handicap of one sort or another and I bust my ass to help these people when no one else will, not even themselves because they gave up a long time ago. There are times behind this disk, I can't handle the tragedy some family go through and so horrendous to see their lives just snuffed out like a candle, but somehow I pull myself together and push through for them or at least try. Some get help, some don’t but I tried, I gave it my all : (

Back to Gov. SP.

She is the type not to hide anything, leaves all her cards on top of the table and stands behind what she says and does. She is human and doesn’t side step this and doesn’t pretend to be bullet proof either, she falls and gets wet just like anyone else.

If I was to label her, it would be Reagonistic, to look the enemy straight in the eye and stand toe to toe and not even blink, to be true and faithful!

She may not have the experience as others, but she damn sure knows how to rally the troops and get the right folks together and to hold them accountable not only to her, but to the people!

In this following link of me, you tell me what hazard there is in this desolate place.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/trophyroom/recent/single?pnid=10013...

By the way, that blue cap I’m wearing some of you might recognize, it’s an NRA Instructor cap for who I was well known as with TVSA- Tanana Valley Sportsmen's Association and the Alaska University of Fairbanks.

As for Skylining a shot really makes me cringe and don’t recommend it in any way. But I will say this, does anyone know how far it is to the next town and I’ll give you a hint, it’s in Russia and I’m sure they knew were that round was coming down.

I find it by far more of a dangerous place being in the woods carrying your muzzle down for a snap shot than being out on the tundra with a cannon!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

OutdoorKid24

LOOK IT UP!

Pseudosportsman

Break it down,

Pseudo' Sportsman

Pseudo-

–adjective

1. not actually but having the appearance of; pretended; false or spurious; sham.

2. almost, approaching, or trying to be.

The next word to learn Boys and Girls is the word,

Resourceful

–adjective

able to deal skillfully and promptly with new situations, difficulties, etc.

Now do I need to explain it more to you ;)

By the way, you're a little late don't you think, the party is over and moved on!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

ya' know shane,

Sadly to say Of all people, I'm disappointed at you.

You have your Fathers trusted rifle, it is suppose to work flawlessly but it didn't.

She likes to hunt and nobody ever said She was a Guide or some big time hunter. Who are you or anyone else to claim to be authoritarian on this matter.

For myself, I've had a healthy taste of Alaska for four solid years and did so working long hours getting up before sunrise preparing for an event and after everyone is long gone. I worked with the Sportsmen of Alaska hearing it, seeing and most of all doing it first hand.

SNIT HAPPENS!

Pseudosportsman?

GO LOOK AT THE MIRROR!

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from huntenthusiest wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps they should have edited a few of the missed shots too if in fact they faked the killing shot. They also claimed after the hunt that they target shot the two different rifles used and said they were off zero.

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from steve182 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm with Dave. Ms.Palin seems amateurish to say the least in several regards as far as hunting, shooting and the outdoors are concerned. If you're going to misrepresent yourself, avoid the cameras. I hope we Conservatives can come up with a better representative, spokesperson, candidate, or all three. Shame on you Sarah.

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I was also disappointed with the Palin shooting episode when I first watched it but after some thought I realized she had many chances to edit the film to show her a hero. She did not. I will give her some credit for that.

Second. Nominees for president are not elected based upon intellect. They must first "look the part" then have some ability to be coached to speak the party language. If the background check comes back clean then maybe intellect will come into play.

In 2008 Palin simply fit the part to gain minority votes for the Republican Party. She has far out lived her 15 mins of fame.

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from Hil wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay, I've never hunted caribou or anything else in Alaska and I'm sure you're right about any size deer rifle being more than adequate. But at the beginning of the episode when they were packing for the hunt, Sarah's dad specifically said "grab the varmint rifle for Sarah." When I think varmint rifle it generally isn't in deer-size calibers, but maybe there is some overlap.

I do agree with those who point out that she's the most pro-hunting candidate we're likely to ever get, and that's about as much as we can ask for!

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from kraftysue wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I'm not a hunter so I have a question. When one shoots at a caribou why does it just stand there? Why doesn't it run away like most game at the sound of gunfire?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

kraftysue

Caribou don't have a clue what's happening and everything going on is totally alien to them. Have a dog spotted and they go into overdrive! I've had them look at me and walk up within 100 yards or less trying to figure what am I.

Curious yes, stupid too!

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from NYRifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Come on folks. Dave Petzal made some good observations, and again the whole SP Universe is coming unglued, again.
Please remember, it's a damned TV show that Palin's got. It ain't an unedited family movie. She's got writers, sponsors, script editors, financial backers, political advisors, wardrobe and makeup staff, at least 2 camera men (check the angles, folks), sound men, lighting and prop staff, with their trailers, and film editors. What you saw is what her producers and backers wanted you to see. Still getting your flags up, seeing red blood and pouncing for game.
And, as good sportsmen and hunters, let's not forget the ancient alliance between hunters and conservationists. For instance, if the prairie potholes (lakes, wetlands) in the Midwest had been destroyed in the 1920's by lousy wall-to-wall farming practices, there would be no ducks and no duck hunting. Same thing now with the health of our streams, lakes and forests, and the ability to still have plentiful fish and game for us - whether for sport or for survival. We're losing the battle to have sustainable Pacific salmon in the lower 48, and closed minded thinking won't save their runs.
This isn't black and white, and sorry, but the star-spangled SP is still missing the boat big time in my long experience.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!'
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'Most Americans believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
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'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
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'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom,
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'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
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'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

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from chadlove wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Just wanted to point out that the Sarah Palin Field Notes blog post several of you have mentioned was merely a link-driven news item, not an original opinion piece as Mr. Petzal's is.

Two completely different beasts, so I don't think there's any validity to the argument that this blog post is old news.

Just sayin'...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Chad!

Welcome to the other side Son!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

For crying out loud! Where did all these one-star, one post Rubes come from in the first place? Sounds like a bunch of whining sniveling wussies just looking for someone to pick on.

Palin and DEP are just the targets du jour. DEP made an honest observation of the situation as depicted on TV, with which most of you would agree with if it were Bill Jordan, Mssr Waddell, or the illustrious Stan Potts making a fool of themselves shooting.

ONE_POST WONDERS, TEN-HUT!

BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE, TROLLS!

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from ohiodeerhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

The point is that Ms. Palin attempts to pass herself off as a "lifelong hunter" as such,in Alaska,at a remote camp,you would not walk through a creek that's over the tops of your boots,you would not attempt to shoot an animal with a scoped rifle that was carried and hit the ground in a fall,you would know how to cycle the bolt action rifle properly,being a "lifelong hunter" you would not ask "does it kick",and finally you would not keep shooting the rifle when it's either shooting way off,or the shooter is way off.
As someone else pointed out,Sarah did do okay with the 12 gauge bear practice-but-why,after having lived in Alaska for a considerable amount of time was she just getting a "bear gun"?
Far too many of the things on the show seem to be first-time experiences for Ms. Palin,and all her gear seems to be brand new too.

I agree with Mr. patzal-she needs to take some shooting lessons,wheter it's her .243 (?) "varmint" rifle,or a .338 mag,or a 30-06,or a 300 Win.mag, or a .308,the lady needs to improve her skills.

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from Dale Boyles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

A spelling lesson David: It's BOEHNER and he demonstrated his patriotism when he made the speech you probably are referring to.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella

Your last post was a hoot! +1

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from blackjac wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WOW! 93 comments but I did not recall seeing a single one concerning the production of the "segment". The production qualities were awful! It was obvious to me there was no pre-production planning (at all). I can't imagine who shot the video without a shooting script or a director. It further appears to me it was a series of "grab" shots, later to be edited down, which is a common practice.NEVER HAPPENED in my opinion, had they done so, it might have been a pretty good "show" (as 90% of the hunting programs we normally see) Normally you see the kill shot and they tape the segment backwards to create a "realistic" hunt, high fives included!! Hope the reviews will serve as a lesson learned to SP's "production crew" should they even exist. Retired after40 yrs. in the industry and vividly recall my first producer telling me"you're as good as your last shoot"! Happy New Year!

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from Moose1980 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal, believe it our not, I've gotten into the habit of printing out some of your more humurous quotes, and posting them on my bulleting board at work. One of my favorites was you reffering to cape buffaloes as
"bovine Hillary Clintons, malignant engines of destructions"

However the following quote, "She has a voice that would worm a St. Bernard."...made me spit coffee all over my laptop. Thank you sir!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Dave,

"Maybe she should take a couple of shooting lessons."

Sorry my Brother I got to say you could use some yourself and I would be honored to assist :)

This has been an NRA Instructor moment :)

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay, I would try to figure out what happened, and not sling a lot of shots wherein I had to have my Poppa work my bolt. I WAS trying to be Jimmy Buffet, wasn't I, by being positive. I had to chuckle at your comment about Margaritaville. I figured that a lot of folks had kinda gotten sidelined by the politics of it, and after all, we are all shooters. We are pretty diverse, otherwise, and that's OK. We just need to give Dave and Sarah some breathing room, and try to set Sarah up with Dave, if Mrs. P. doesn't object, and get her up to speed.

Thus, my comment about the seven MM, or the 6.5. I set up my wife for a little Mannlicher in 6.5, a perfect scope on it, and a Texas boar hunt. She watched the flaming thing until it nearly died of old age and wandered off. I asked her why she didn't shoot, and besides whining that I was in her way [bah, humbug], she simply enjoyed watching the boar. What are ya gonna do? She is pretty, she is a little air-headed, but you keep her, and tease her unmercifully until she has a rematch with the boar. She is, currently, so riled at the whole incident, that she wants a second go at the boar. I pity the poor thing. Women can be killers, when motivated...right Bella?

blue

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Victory happens when 10,000 hours of training meet 1 moment of opportunity.

-Author unknown

But I believe it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

‎"I think of lotteries as a tax on the mathematically challenged."

- Mathematician Roger Jones

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from blueridge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

hey Clay, thanks for the comment. We need more positive shooters, and especially our daughters. and granddaughters. I think it would be a hoot, though, to see Sarah being coached by Dave Petzel. That would be a video!

blue

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from RylieGipson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

mr. p you also forgot to add that when the got back to camp the point was pruven the gun was off.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blueridge

To see Sarah being coached by Dave Petzel?

(O"MY GOD!)

I can picture it now, I think goes this way?

Yes, it would be a hoot to watch, but you'll have to be there. All you will hear is boops and bleeps!

O'hell it might even win an Emmy!

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TW Davidson:

Not at all. I am just saying that she had no reason to think that her dad was handing her an unsighted rifle. Her dad was taking her hunting and using his rifles. That she took six shots before switching out proves that she has confidence in her father. I am not saying she can do no wrong; she missed a broadside gimme shot at a caribou six times. When she got a gun in her hands that put the bullet where the crosshairs were, the 'bou went down quickly. In an ideal world she would have of course set up a shooting range right there on the tundra and made sure her rifle was sighted in. She didn't do that, and her mistake was out there for all the world to see. And that makes her a jerk, a fake, a liar, and a fraud, certainly nobody who ever handled a gun before. Got it.

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

No. 1 - Sarah P. is a whole lot easier to look at than Hillary! Period!
No. 2 - When Sarah's plane landed, I didn't hear any sniper rounds going off!
No. 3 - Alaska is tough! I don't care WHO you are!!
No. 4 - Hey! She (Sarah!) is still easier on the eyes than Hillary!!!

Maybe I wouldn't have done things the way SHE did them! But then, "I" wasn't there and she didn't call ME to ask, "What do I do now?!"
I like her political stance! We could use a lot more men like her in this topsy-turvy world!!! Basically, somebody with some spine!!!

Bubba

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from FirstBubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

DEP!!!

Break out the skin lotion and see if you can't soften up that crust just a tad, amigo!
Just because a man shed's a tear don't necessarily mean he's looney toons!! EVERYBODY can't have a DI's countenance!!! LOL!!
(Think what a grouchy world this would be if the entire male population was retired DI's?)

Bubba

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jehnifer Quinn

Thank you for those words of wisdom, your totally right and a +1!

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I would like to thank S.P. for an honest hunting show. It seems we are have gotten used to watching these game show hosts hunting big game with $10,000 rifles chambered in the newest .400 uber mag. We watch them shoot an elk in the guts or the butt, then tell us they found it 15 min. later and only 50 yards away. When in reality it was 24 hrs later 2 miles away, but all that ended up on the cutting room floor. Clay showed us the youtube clip of a real hunt. Youtube is full of real hunts just like Sarah's.

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman,
What a reasonable argument, chock full of facts.
This series is a travelogue about Alaska. It's shown white water rafting, gold panning, commercial and sport fishing, camping, shooting, dog-sledding, four wheeling, bush planes, bears, beautiful country (always), and a family with a 72 year old patriarch who taught school for a living, hunted and fished and taught his kids to do the same.
Check yer damn politics at the door.

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from focusfront wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, was the USA a theocracy back in the 1960s? It must have been, because back in the '60s a teacher could admit to being a Christian (even carry a BIBLE!) and not have every lawyer within a thousand miles salivating right down his tie. You could say "Merry Christmas" and have a nativity scene on public lands without people like you thinking the republic was coming to an end. We did not read "Heather Has Two Mommies" to children too young to know what a heterosexual is, let alone of homosexual.

Wycliffe was not burned to death. He died a natural death in 1384 (about 133 years before the Reformation); about ten years afterwards, the church tried his corpse for heresy, and burned his bones.

Jesus is an English derivation of Iesu. Greek has no "SH" sound, so Shaul becomes Saul, Yeshus becomes Iesu, etc. No racism or cultural slam intended.

You attack what Christians believe as passionately as most of us should defend it. If we are kooks for defending it passionately, what does that make you?

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from PSU_Bassboss wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella - As a fellow seminarian, how 'bout reining in the condescension and venom...we should set better examples than that.

Happy New Years! I'm off to some sauerkraut and football!

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from David Kennedy wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

What a joke.....you folks are against Palin as a representative yet will support the NRA that threw our 1st amendment rights and many gun organizations under the bus a few months ago. You don't deserve her spit. I would guess you're probably just woman haters.

If her gun was not on zero she would miss! Period. It's very easy to knock a gun off zero. It doesn't take much when your taking long shots.

I know many folks out west that take Elk with a small center fire caliber, yes even a varmit round! 257 Roberts with a 120 gr bullet is a favorite of mine. I've killed many deer with a 22-250. It's called bullet placement. Something I would guess some of these folks don't know or understand. It's relatively easy to get a weapon shooting sub 1 inch at 300 yards if you are knowledgeable when you buy. Place it on the base of their ear. If your distance is off you still have 6-8 inches of neck. If you miss you have done the game a favor. They run off for another day. I have never had a suffering animal with this shot. They drop like a rock, neck or head, and you find them exactly where you first shot. This is with a so called varmit gun. (not a varmit bullet)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

What would you think of one of the most respected Weapons Experts on National Television taking a New Model Ruger Super Blackhawk, opening the gate and spinning the cylinder and slap shut the gate while spinning?

The show was just a couple of weeks ago.

It wasn't Sir Petzal, but I guarantee you will never hear about it hear!

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thanks Clay!

WA Mtnhunter: IF you were referring directly to my post then I must add that Yes I do think being a born and raised Alaskan who hunts here every season gives me some credibility to speak about the unique challenges Alaska offers.

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from HammerGun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Doesn't it feel good? ... to point out the shortcomings of others? Maybe those that like to bash are just upset because they need a new Obama sticker for the back of their Prius.

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whenever you find someone who will rally the troops, and taunt the devil, you will find the minions that taunt the troops and rally the devils.....And yeah, Clay that is what it is about in winning as a team. As any weak link in the chain knows....
I think David threw us a weak link in our chain....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

jes AMEN BROTHER!

Team

TEAM

T.E.A.M

Together Everyone Achieves More!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jes I hope you don't mind, but I just added your quote to my "From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read" right above

Victory happens when 10,000 hours of training meet 1 moment of opportunity.-Author unknown

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jes, looked up minion and found this.

1501, "a favorite; a darling; a low dependant; one who pleases rather than benefits

interesting?

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from Tim Platt wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Might as well throw some more gas on the fire. I think Sarah is typical of politicians, which is not a complement. I also feel like she rubs a lot of people the wrong way and if she does win the Republican presidential nomination Obama will stay in office for four more years and that would bring me to tears. That being said I still like the girl.

As far as her hunting skills go, they do not bother me. At least she is out there trying. I've seen four men with rifles that were sighted in correctly each fire several times at a white tail deer that was standing about 100 yards away and he lived to see another day. I am never amazed at how poorly most people shoot without a bench and sandbag.

I have also been involved in a whole lot of deer drives that resulted in shooting at running animals. Some people are extremely good at this and it doesn't bother me.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

mclark94

Precisely! Well stated, sir.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

plevena1

I don't consider myself one of anyone's "ilk", but I will respectfully respond to your post and say that I would not vote for a knucklehead regardless of whether they fish and hunt or not. Knuckleheads are not restricted to any party or persuasion, so you have to get the facts straight regarding philosophy, track record, and honesty.

Take the current Capon in Chief; even if he were a Republican, no way would I have voted for such a knucklehead with such limited experience at leading anything except community activism. Why, even his VP and Sec of State said that during the campaign and ya'll still voted for him! What this country needs is real leadership, not more hacks. Let someone step to the podium with real ideas that are good for the country and a track record backing it up and I'll vote for him/her.

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from John L wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Montana Rose,
You are obviously a very literate person, but I cannot for the life of me see any truths in what you write.
We'll have to agree to disagree, vehemently.
If BO2's basketball skills are so evident, why aren't his birth certificate or grade transcripts?
Sarah Palin's background has been widely discussed, why has BO's been so skillfully (and financially) hidden?
I'd pay good money to see them play basketball, bowl, or debate policy and beliefs. (Sans teleprompters)
jl

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from ckRich wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well stated Mr. Petzal! I couldn't agree more.

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

NO! Say it ain't true!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Maybe Clay Cooper could volunteer some Alaska shooting tips and training? He has the Alaska experience and is schooled in the art of marksmanship. He is also a big Sarah Palin fan, I think. Just a thought.

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from dasmith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

First off let me address the running game statement, in a perfect world you might not have to shoot at a running animal but, in the real world if you want to eat you may have to shoot at running game. In the Catskills (NY) the fast shooting carbines are used because you may only get a shot at moving game. If Mrs Palin is like many hunters including myself "buck or doe" fever can be a real factor in missing game. I was always happy when I missed the first doe, then I would be settled down enough to score a hit on the next one. Of course it would look bad to those who don't know that things go wrong when hunting. She seemed to do well with an m16 so maybe a Remington 750 or Browning BAR would be a better choice and has less recoil.

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from Bob81 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

"You're not conservative, you're a liberal, you attack when you can't hold your own on with answers. Are you just jealous? She did a fine job and so did her dad. And she's got my vote, when and if she decides to run for the presidency."

Bristol? Is that you??

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Bella , just want you to know I did not trash your unca Dave , I simply challenged his honesty. Just giving out the same measure as he gave out. No hate here. Happy hunting

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from JohnR wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave P. your last post concerning politics still has me laughing! Personally I enjoyed that episode and that's one of the only two I viewed. I enjoyed it because I got to see some of Alaska since I will most likely never make it there.
I understand where you are coming from because there are people such as PETA, and other animal rights whackos that could cut up her video, re-splice it and use it to portray hunters as careless, negligent nincompoops.
As far as politics go, this thread wasn't really about politics.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from Ferber wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I didn't see the whole Palin/caribou hunting event...just a tiny segment shown on TV. I wasn't impressed. I was impressed with her speech, demeanor, clean looks and personality when she first addressed the folks at the Republican convention. Likewise, I was impressed with George W's inauguration speech and Obama's sensational speech at the Democrat convention a few years before he ran for President.

George Bush never spoke again with such poise as he had the night of his inauguration. But he mainly stuck to his guns throughout his presidency. Sarah Palin seems less presidentially potent now, and Obama is a huge disappointment to virtually everybody...including a covey of Washington Dems. But 'back when' we all knew he was headed for the stars.

Simple well-known conclusion: What campaigning politicians say before they're elected means very little, and more often than not does provide the explosive after-the-elections-come-anger fodder for us regular folks.

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from Shaky wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Well Mr. P, you have done it again, I was impressed with your power of observation. But when Bella came out in your defense so strongly, I knew that for once Mr. Petzal had missed the mark about as far as he ever had.
I would vote for anyone who represents my personal desire for the continuation of a free America, whether he/she can shoot or not.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Man. 84 posts and counting. Some things can only be settled the old fashioned way -- gentlemen, check your guns at ringside.

(Or is that "you're" guns... Somebody here seems to think so. But their incorrect. They're grammar is worse then a 1st grader!)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Ya'think this will go farther than the XB debate two years ago?

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from New Age Bubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

@Clay: 5 job seekers for every job--doesn't that tell you something about the need for a security net? We aren't all working on farms anymore (I would, but the land's too expensive because tract house developers are buying it up)

Also, @Palin: You are the best friend the Dems have, keep it up (with a nod to Barbara Bush, my favorite 1'st Lady).

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blueridge

Welcome to Margaretaville!

Food for thought, if I was to shoot consistently at a target high and left, I would certainly stop and figure out what the problem is and correct it, wouldn't you! ;)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago
from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

By the way TW, if you were a skilled in the art of shooting, you will find the less one knows about shooting, the easier it is to teach them.

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from Shaky wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

This has been a hoot, maybe it will even exceed the crossbow & .270 v 30/06. All it needs is YO YO to jump in with Bella, Dave and TWD to finish it off.
To all; varmint rifle to Alaskans isn't for p.dogs or rock chucks or sage rats because they don't have ANY of those, Their varmints are much bigger, ergo, their varmint rifles are also bigger. My son's varmint rifle is a 30/06, he lives in Haines, Ak. and has since 1986.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

You guys act like living in AK or hunting there (maybe once or twice) qualifies one as an expert at something or other. Get real, folks...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought I knew a lot about hunting and fishing especially the great outdoors A to ZZZ and the 1, 2, 3’s, but not until I moved to Alaska. Alaska is a real eye opener for those who love the outdoors and when I moved back to the Lower 48 the way I think about it has all changed. I’m not going to go into details, but I will say this.

Walt Smith and woodsmanj35 I must agree with especially #10, if you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them.

For Chad Love and David Petzal I don’t know what the two are trying to do. Are the Network scores so low they must resort to fragging other Sportsmen? It sure looks that way!

The thought of wanting to compare Rosie O'Donnell to all of this, I don’t want to, but it’s hard not to.

Sadly to say it’s obvious the two haven’t thought this one through!

For those of you who missed my earlier post,

Sportsman conduct

I find how pathetic how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason they themselves think. I don’t care if you’re my Neighbor, my Best Friend, Sir David E. Petzal, Uncle Ted or even Gunny R. Lee Ermey, they all done something I picked up on which in fact I can go off on but I don’t, we all have our faults and as long as “Good Sportsmanship, respect in one another and to promote the great outdoors” I can live with it. DEP is a good sport and I would say I sure like to grab a can of ammo out of the locker and spend an hour or two on the range with him. Why, it’s between DEP and I and that is where I will leave it and beside, we would have a blast!! I was taught and learned through rubbing shoulders with other Sportsmen “TRUE SPORTSMEN” and by the way some of them the best in the Nation and learned a lot even form the beginners!! True Sportsmen are those who are your BEST FRIEND the problem is, you just never met’yet. They will kindly walk over and tell you that your zipper down and do it in such a way it doesn’t embarrass you in front of the congregation at Church.

I don’t know anyone who has the corner of it all. The way we do and what we believe will differ pending on our teachings, personal flavors, geographical locations and upbringings. In Alaska, there are those we/they call Outsiders who believe the 300 Win Mag is the best rifle while Residents favor the 338 Win Mag. From Desert Poodles to Mule Deer, for one cartridge to fit all will differ as I’m competent with Mule Deer with my 22-250 while one prefers a 375 H&H. Under kill – over kill, our beliefs go from one end of the spectrum to the other.

As for Ice Cream, I prefer Breyers® Vanilla Bean in a large glass measuring cup with just an ounce or two of milk hand stirred. Now how many folks would prefer that as their favorite?

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from cbanks wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave: Of all the comments on this post, only DickGun appears to actually live in AK and know Ms. Palin, and I'd defer to him, both on her political and hunting qualifications.

I saw the caribou-hunting segment on her series, and it rang true to me. The fact that she'd consent to airing an episode where she shoots and misses says something about her--she's not afraid to try and fail. And she shot a cow for meat--and took it back to her kitchen and butchered it.

It was authentic and refreshing in its modesty. I hope she's the same.

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Bella, I'm curious to know where you got 5 years of Christian Seminary and what theological degrees you garnered as a result.

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hold on, I just figured out what happened. She was using a Winchester model 70,and as we all know that's not a dependable rifle. Not all shots were a miss,her rifle was a .270 and the bullets just bounced off the bou. We all can agree that a .270 is only good for woodchucks. When she switched to the Savage rifle in .300 win mag she dropped that bou in one shot. ;-)

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

180 Posts! Mah Gawd it's time to put this one to bed!

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

It's a good thing we can compare ourselves to Sarah, it makes us feel big and strong. But if we had to use her dad or husband as a gauge to measure ourselves. Yikes! They would mop the floor with most of us tenderfoots.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

CCMJS

Correction Sir and a +1

They would mop the floor with us!

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Clay I live in "the valley" Palmer/Wasilla area :)

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walter Cronkite "the most trusted man in America" anchorman for the CBS Evening News for 19 years and the "And that's the way it is", so what does have to do here? After the end of the Vietnam War, documents were uncovered that Vietnam Generals was within three months of surrendering until they herd Walter Cronkite on national TV say, The United States is losing the war with Vietnam. This gave what the enemy needed to resurrect itself and the same goes with Iraq. Early in the fight, both documents and messages were intercepted saying they could not withstand an attack against the US and its allies. Once again, the news media doing what was politically correct as Walter Cronkite did, The US is losing the war. The enemy now has learned they cannot beat the US and its allies in the field, they must take the battle to the streets here in the US.

So the real question here is, with the UN and other Nations as well as those here in the US hell bent for leather to disarm the Citizens of the United States and go around the 2nd Amendment including the 1st Amendment with a treaty banning all guns and speech, what better way to use so called experts right here in the US to use in there cause to disarm the US.

So I have one question to ask Mr. David E. Petzal,

"this has been a no BS moment”?

You Sir fail face first into it!

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs. Quinn I must agree with you, especially when its cold enough to freeze (-67ish) a Prestone® Antifreeze jug solid and have a 36 inch 3/8 diameter bungee cord come unhooked and slap me upside the head (The definition of ouch!) I'll pick the Banana Belt (your area) next time! LOL!

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

from mclark94 wrote
"Once again, I implore all involved in this rapidly deteriorating blog to focus on the real issue: Sarah Palin has the best understanding, it would seem, of OUR way of life (even if by osmosis from family members). She is also the one candidate who seems mostly likely to stand on her beliefs, and state them plainly.
When was that last time we had a real choice, poor rifle shot or not?"

Good point.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative-I am a hunter and as I eluded to in my comment, who among us hasn't missed a shot, or 50? No one is perfect...but my point is the fact that there is no denying Palin can be a polarizing political figure and plenty of people on the left and/or middle who readily spin her actions to serve their agenda. So even if events on her hunt were legitimate and through no fault of her own, the events of her hunt can be spun to misrepresent the sport and perhaps should not have been released for the sake of the greater good of the sport. Finally, hunters do experience backlash from honesty; when a hunter shoots into a house, an arrow is found in a suburban backyard, or drunken trespassers are caught poaching, those are "honest" events that do us no good in the eyes of the non-hunting public when in the paper the next day.

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from HammerGun wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One last thought about her skyline shot. What we see on the screen (i.e. what the cameraman saw), isn't necessarily the same perspective she had. Her party may have been higher up giving her a more level shot that backstopped into the earth. The second camera could have been lower, like on a grassy knoll, or in the window of a book depository building... Wait a minute! Maybe her "varmint" rifle was a 6.5 Carcano!

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from kinnivalley1 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Stop the whining and get over it! So, it was a bit fabricated and not perfect. You could sit there and point out the discrepencies or look at her as a great public advocate for hunting. I have seen Ted Nugent's hunting and the old American Sportsman shows. They are not perfect and many of them were not my style of hunts. However, the shows are great examples of 2nd Amendment Rights and hunting. You will lose to the Sierra Club and others -- you play right into their hands if you continue wring your hands over her hunts on a reality show. I suppose people have similar posts about Dancing With the Stars.

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from Dale Boyles wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Petzel appears to be less tha fair in his assessment of Sarah ( as does other commentors). I expect she knows how to work the bolt since seh demostrated skill in pumping a shotgun and shooting it. Do you not know, David that fathers sometimes do things for their adult children ( especially girls) when, in fact they do not have to? Perhaps Sarah's father was helping out in an iffort to keep Sarah in the shooting position? Do you not recall her skill with the shotgun? Do you not recall her father stating the scope on her rifle was way off? it's called giving the benefit of the doubt, as opposed to demonstrating prejudice! I recall your prejudce toward VP Chaney.

And as far as shooting at moving game, do you not recall , David, how the folks in Vermont, Maine, etc hunt in the big woods? Do you not recall that famous hunting family in Vermont (the Benoits)and their method of hunting?

you write good and accurate gun articles. Staick to it.

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from jbrash wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I have got several friends who have been shooting and hunting for years that can't hit the broad of a barn but that doe's not make them less sportsman. I'd rather take somebody like Sarah Palin any day for president than Obama and any of his nitwit ilk. At least she stands up for us sportsman and the constitution. Your liberal Mr. Petzal needed to be replaced long ago.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

One more thing Shane,

Antihunters just love folks like you!

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from Steve Baker wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

David, your comments about Sara Palin was just wrong. You need to stick to writing about guns.And stop making stupid
comments. Sara Palin is on the side of the gun owners and hunters. The first wrong comment that I read concerned box magazine for rifles caused poaching. That is like saying matches cause forest fires. As a hunter ed instructor in Missouri I wish every rifle had a box magazine they would be safer to load and unload. Perhaps you will think before you will making any more off color comments.

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from mclark94 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I agree with the "most politicians" statement; however, since we need a representative at the highest national level - please read that to be president - I suggest that we do not bash Mrs. Palin too strongly. It seems very unlikely that we will get another potential candidate that will not filter her words and not move toward the middle She is polarizing - take that to mean that she says what she thinks. It may not be the best strategy to get elected - but if she does, some of the guess work regarding interpretation will be removed.

In other words, we will know what she is thinking, and that she understands the hunting and outdoor tradition. We (as a group) also must compromise on a candidate. Look around and let me know if anyone sees anyone else getting as much air time.............

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dear David Petzal , seems like your a bit of a girl when it comes to being questioned. If you would watched the full episodes, which you obviously did not, that shows her shoot and handle different guns, it would answer your three camouflaged 1. 2. 3. questions. Why don't you and the other critiques just admit it, that if it had showed Sarah Palin as a perfect shooter the kind that Annie Oakley would have envied, you bunch still would have found something else. Your dishonest sir, and that's what I'm criticizing. You wrote a camouflaged hunting hit piece. Secondly her father and his friend are genuine hunters who live it, not like half of the weekend wanna bee critics on this site, and they were ethical in all they did, it was for the meat. Thank God we have some one like Sarah Palin who is lifting up a dying tradition of a Dad hunting with his children and the idea of hunting to fill the freezer. Advice to you Mr. Petzal don't allow your bias to make Field And Stream Another, Let's Crucify Sarah Palin RAG. We need good women like her to help protect and encourage our traditions and rights.

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from davidpetzal wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

To Willegge: I don't see answers to any of my questions. How about it? We're all waiting.

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Oooo. Read Chad Love's story. DP, thou has failed to trump.

I welcome you to my club. :-)

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from Phil1227 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

well said, I totaly agree

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from Carney wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Man. 84 posts and counting. Some things can only be settled the old fashioned way -- gentlemen, check your guns at ringside.

(Or is that "you're" guns... Somebody here seems to think so. But their incorrect. They're grammar is worse then a 1st grader!)

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I couldn't agree more. The shooting and hunting community is constantly under attack from the anti's and don't need to be hand fed ammunition. The hunting accidents and broken rules already grab the mainstream headlines more than the responsible and mentoring hunters. So those in the public eye need to be know how scrutinized they are and how they are portraying the sport to the more unfamiliar public.

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from The White Slug wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Who cares? Will small nations in the Caribbean turn to Communism either way? The issue is to throw away your PDAs, stop WATCHING things and TALKING about things and start DOING them. Which most surely includes me and my cubicle bound posterior... Lead a three dimensional life!

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from New Age Bubba wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

@DEP: Now you have done it; I warned you to stick to "best [deer rifle/bird gun]" topics! Your comments will now go viral and we will have to look at you on the "Today/Morning Show", looking hungover (well couldn't blame you--in NYC, partying all night and up at 3am for makeup etc.)

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from LutherMartin1517 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I am sure if you invited her for private shooting lessons she would surely accept so long as you were very polite. Who better to teach her than someone who writes about shooting!

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from SlowDave wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Haven't seen it so can't comment except 2nd hand. Explanation of missing shot because gun was off doesn't hold water. That and the "does it kick" comment indicates she was shooting at game with a gun she had not shot before, likely ever, and especially since it had been dropped. That's a never. Not working the bolt indicates...? She's never shot a bolt action? I mean, most people can work a bolt action from having seen people do it on tv w/o ever having hunted. And 6 shots before you decide to stop with a given gun is over the top.

All this doesn't make her an invalid proponent of gun rights and sportsmen's interests, it just convicts her of the crime of nearly 100% of politicians: insincerity.

A bit disturbing to see the beatdowns on here for anyone daring to speak negative of Palin. Just because someone is pro-gun doesn't mean that you must close your eyes and ignore every other fault they have. And those other faults don't necessarily mean I won't vote for the person. But a free discussion is an important piece of Americana to me and I consider it valuable.

Separation of church and state: First the nit-pickers can let it go. "Separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution; "Congress shall make no law respecting religion..." is, so potato, po-tah-to. And I am happy with everyone doing their own thing. On the other hand, I will not apologize for my beliefs, and my outward celebration of those, and I don't expect others to either, as long as it doesn't intrude on my property or body. And I will not ignore the Judeo-Christian background of this country.

Taxes: the top earners pay basically all the taxes. So, if you cut taxes significantly, you are going to cut them for the "rich." The way I look at it, you can either take their money to Washington, where it evaporates into politician and lobbyist's pockets, or you can leave it with them to spend and thereby boost the economy much more effectively than the gov't ever could. If you think the gov't can do it better, then tax the heck out of them (even more) and watch them find ways to evade, and then watch the ineffectiveness of it to reducing the deficit as the pols find ways to spend ever more. A flat tax coupled with a balanced budget amendment is the way I'd go, although it'll never happen.

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from 1uglymutha wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

whoever said that intelligence,education and experience were requirements for a run at the presidency has been living in a cave in tibet. this country was founded on the principle of diversity in it's elected officials. in the past, the election of the social elite has not done so well. most are educated far beyond their intelligence. and experience gained on the golf course or the polo fields does not count.

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All . . .

I note, among other things already mentioned by Mr. Petzal and others in previous blogs, that Ms. Palin fired six rounds uphill at a caribou trotting back and forth along the top of a ridgeline. The shots missed.

Does Ms. Palin know where her bullets went? Did she know what lay downrange before she pulled the trigger? Were there people downrange? Was there other game? Were there buildings, structures, vehicles? Could there have been all of the above? Did she ever bother to check?

I don't care what her name is, who she is, or what she aspires to do in her life. What she did in that video, however, was dangerous and, in many states, criminally negligent. It was also wrong.

Note to Mr. Cooper and anyone else who is interested: The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . ." In 1644, Thomas Jefferson, a founding father of our country, originated the statement "a wall of separation between Church and State." The U.S. Supreme Court--the highest court in our land, the ultimate decision-maker about what our Constitution means--has cited Jefferson's "separation between Church and State" phrase, and of course the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment itself, in dozens (maybe hundreds) of key landmark cases over the last two centuries. In 1947, for instance, in Everson v. Board of Education, the Supreme Court wrote, "In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the cause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect a wall of separation between church and state."

That is the law in our country. It has been for a very long time.

As for my own thoughts, I don't want the Government (or anyone else) telling me what church I have to go to, or whether I have to go to any church at all. I don't want the Government (or anyone else) telling me that Church A is better than Church B, or that if you don't go to Church A you're not a real American, etc. What church I attend, what church you attend, what church that any of us may attend, is an individual privacy decision, an individual privacy right, which none of us--nor our Government--have any business interfering with toward another at all. This is also the law in America.

Going back to Ms. Palin for a moment . . . I have a Mauser 98 with a Douglas barrel in 7x57 Mauser that is a custom gun project. I have concluded after several months of testing that with the possible exception of one load and one particular bullet, the rifle doesn't shoot worth a damn. I'm putting the rifle away, keeping it away from the range and away from any hunting field, until there's a new barrel on it and the damn thing shoots exactly where I want it to. That's responsibility. That's sportsmanship. It's also the right thing to do.

Ms. Palin speaks of these things in regard to hunting and shooting. She does not, however, practice them. She is, in fact, much like a hastily constructed ship that looks pretty and sets sail nicely.

A ship called the Titanic.

T.W. Davidson

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All:

Several bloggers have commented that Ms. Palin's father handed her a rifle or rifles that didn't shoot straight because their scope(s) were not zeroed properly, or the scopes were knocked off zero prior to Ms. Palin taking her six missed shots.

If I go hunting, I know precisely where my rifle shoots out to, say, 300 or even 350 yards. I know this because I will have previously zeroed the rifle and fired it (many times) at a range, almost always with my own handloads. I would not hunt with a rifle unless I knew precisely how it fired at given ranges. If I drop the rifle or bang the scope I will not hunt with that rifle until I have checked (and reset, if necessary) its zero. Yet defender after defender of Ms. Palin attempts to blame her father or come up with any excuse that shields Ms. Palin from her responsibilities as a shooter, her duties as a hunter, and the fact that she had no experience with the rifles she fired and had no idea what their shooting characteristics were. (I never saw Ms. Palin take the killing shot, by the way, and frankly I doubt very much that she did.)

Ms. Palin is the person who fired the rifles on that caribou hunt. She is responsible for missing the shots. She is responsible for where the bullets went after she missed. And she is responsible for making sure any weapon she fires--and hunts with--functions and is accurate. The blame-shifting here for her negligence, incompetence and irresponsibility astounds me.

Mr. Cooper, we may have different political philosophies, but I have no doubt that in the last thirty years (or longer) you've known where every bullet you've fired would go and where it would stop before you pulled the trigger, even if you missed. I also have no doubt that any rifle you've hunted with in the last several decades is a rifle you "knew" (in terms of how it would shoot, its performance characteristics, etc.) before you ever hunted with it at any distance over, say, twenty-five yards concerning any "prey" other than a paper target.

I attribute these same characteristics and habit patterns to Mr. Petzal and any of the real shooters, hunters and marksmen (or markswomen, with respect to Ms. Bella) who read this blog. We do these things because we were trained to, because we were trained correctly, because we would be appalled--and ashamed--about shooting with the accuracy of baboons firing slingshots, and none of us would take a shot that might kill, injure, harm or destroy an unintended target.

Ms. Palin does not possess these same characteristics, these same habit patterns and core philosophies. Those who think she does should hunt and shoot with her.

But I would advise them to stay at least a mile behind her. And to keep their heads down, too.

As for me, I will be in another county or state entirely.

T.W. Davidson

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

As for Sarah or even Slick Cheney, I wouldn't give it a second thought going afield with either of them!

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from buckhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

TWD,
Good to read your post again.

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Gman,
Not mad at ya', just don't understand the name calling.
But then when you describe yerself as "liberal elite snobbish folks like me".......well?
Thought this was a hunting blog, not a political.
Not goin' to enter the god argument, that's another topic for another day.
I still say the show "Sarah Palin's Alaska" is a good chance for us poor folks to see and enjoy a place we'd love to visit, on a real life basis, not a slick production.
The one and only time I've been up there we did a self-guided fishing adventure, and had it been filmed, it would have been mighty embarassing.
I'll bet you $5 she could sight in a rifle (just as she proved her father that the sights were off...if you bothered to watch), and I'd be tickled to death if my dad were still around to work the bolt for me!
She never claimed to be Peter Capstick. Do you?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

cbanks

I don't know the Governor personally, but it's obvious some prefer Tomboys to be hunters and the Ladies stay home!

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

All:

Time for peace.

Happy New Year to everyone.

May 2011 be a wonderful year for all of us.

TWD

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I just finished watching the video again. There were 5 misses and 1 hit. The bou was standing still for the first 4 shots then began a slow trot for the final miss. Not what I would call 'running game'. Then the camera is right on her for the final shot. Just pointing out the facts, not making excuses.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I think only a Christian nation would tolerate the publication of all the viewpoints expressed on this thread. And if you don't like it, you don't have to leave.

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from travest wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

thanks

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I don't care what religious monuments people wanna put up, that is a non issue, really. I do get tired of the unavoidable assault on the ears with the christmas carols though.
And I'm a big fan of Teddy Roosevelt, the last good Republican.
My seminary instruction was a consequence of the church
I grew up in, I never claimed to have a degree. And I should have written that it was Tyndale who got burned rather than Wycliffe, but they did burn Wycliffe, even if they had to dig him up to do it. The point remains the same and the glorification of greed is in no way christianity. If you are going to claim the affiliation, you should put more weight on the words of Jesus than in the words of Oral Roberts and Pat Robertson.

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from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

No worries WAM! Yes please call me Jehnifer. My only claim is loving Alaska and all it has to offer in Fishing and Hunting. Even though I'm a lifelong ALaskan who lives to fish and hunt I'm far from being an expert. I am just blessed to have amazing people who have invested their time in teaching me since I was little. I agree with you sir one hunt up here does not make one an expert in anything except how much there still is to learn.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WOW, Clay

35 out of 203 posts! That has to be a near record! Each and every one priceless!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative I don't consider myself as an Expert, only in classification in High Power Competition when I sign up for a match. If I had the same negative attitude as some of the rest, those like Sandra Worman would never had a crack for the tryouts for the Olympics and those who I helped setup for the outdoors experience of a lifetime.

This Sarah and the Caribou by David E. Petzal has become a burr under my saddle for two reason. Governor Palin has the same rights as anyone else, she just shows she's human also unlike our commander in cut and run. I also believe in going out of my way to assist and to train those to become better at and equipped for the outdoors. From ATV's & ORV's to Marksmanship, from orienteering to Search & Rescue or just being out there. Isn't the purpose of this blog is to be Ambassadors of the Outdoors rather than Lambastadors who some have become.

Something else to think about, food for thought.

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”-Anne Lamot

WA Conservative

I to stopped reading field & stream a long time ago, now I remember why also.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago
from Jehnifer Quinn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Yes it's true Clay Fairbanks is too cold for me and too far from my honeyholes! I like being in a neutral location so I can access more areas of the state :)

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from Walt Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whatever you do Clay--don't thin out your posts! I enjoy and look forward to everyone of them! Its nice to hear from a person as experienced as yourself! I enjoy the cold hard slap, of reality you, sir, provide here!! Wouldn't it be nice to know the calibers of the 2 rifles Sara shot that day. The last gun judging by the glimpse of the shells in the stok holder could've been a 300win mag or a 338 win mag or possibly even a 300 RUM, they looked like belted brass to me. Your say?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

One more thing,

plevena1

Who said "Don't be afraid to try something new. Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark and a large group of professionals built the Titanic."

America

America...

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Is at it's best when it is at it's worst.

For it's not from the Government for the awesome power to over come disasters and attacking enemy.

THE AWESOME POWER COMES FROM THE PEOPLE AND NOT FROM FROM THE GOVERNMENT BUT TO THE GOVERNMENT THIS POLARITY DOES GO!

AND ONE MORE THING!

"Pacifism is a luxury paid for by Warriors!"

AND I CAUTION YOU, YOU ARE AMONGST WARRIORS HERE!

As the bumper sticker said,

I will serve and protect myself thank you!

No Government entity or mandate is responsible for your personal protection. So I warn you Citizen, be careful what flag you reside and hide under!

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WVOtter wrote
"Lots of good points on here on all sides; but my biggest issue is less that she missed a few times or how the hunt was managed/handled because stuff will happen on a hunt, some in your control, some not. But for Palin or any of her folks to not consider the potential backlash this video might recieve is what troubles me. If you were a Toyota CEO during the recalls, would you release home video of an isolated crash? No, because you need to put your best foot forward when all eyes are on you and how you represent your "product", whether that's a car, policy, or hobby. So we've all screwed up on a hunt, but not all of us are high-profile symbols of the hunting community who recorded our err on film and released it to the general public. For anyone who spends much time immersed in company of mixed ideologies, you know how easily swayed people are by a single story, action, or video."

Backlash? LOL! You don't get backlash from honesty, you get backlash from hiding little things like this! I don't know if you're a hunter or not but I've missed shots, error on my part on distance or angle of shot. Am I proud of my misses? No, have they made me a better shot? Yes. Every hunter out there has missed a shot or 10, anyone telling you otherwise is either never taken a shot or is a liar. I'm not looking for perfection in a candidate, but I am looking for one whose values closely align with my own. My list would read something like this, Honesty, Integrity, of the "working class" and not the harvard elitist, and not a DAMM career politician. Sarah has my vote no mater how many shots she misses.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Can we talk about guns now?

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

I believe that her father fell earlier in the episode, knocking the scope out of alignment. It happens. I've had it happen to me once or twice. And also, I just can't believe that if she hunts as much as she makes it sound, I think she knows how to work the bolt on a rifle. It's not that hard...you flick it up, pull it back, push it back forward, and flick it back down. I think her dad just got over-excited and reloaded for her. That's my opinion.

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

First off, Mr. Petzal, I respect you. I respect your knowledge about guns and hunting, but I agree with Willegge. And I truly believe that people (me especially) would enjoy your articles a lot more if you just avoided politics. Sarah Palin has in fact shot more just that gun. In fact, in one episode when she goes camping she shoots a nice looking tacticle 12-guage. In another episode, she was shooting a 12-guage over-under shotgun. I think that the reson they didn't check the scope is because they were worried about her dad, and then they didn't remember about the fall because they got caught up in the excitement. I can guaruntee you there is nobody here who hasn't gotten "buck fever" or "animal fever" or what ever you want to call it. And I have no doubt that you have watched more than a few hunting shows. How many of them have the camera on the hunter when he/she shoots? Is it possible that all of those shots were staged? And finally, she DID get it killed with a rifle that was just fine. And she butchered it for food. I still like you, Mr. Petzal, I just believe that some of your views are infected by politics.

And second, how exactly did a discussion about an episode of Sarah Palin's Alaska turn into an argument about the meaning of separation of church and state?

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from Montana Rose wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

OK, I'll admit right off the bat- I don't like Sarah Palin. But my dislike extends much farther back- she was still Sarah Heath. My local station said they had a new sports reporter- a woman sports reporter! Well hallelujah! Finally- a woman breaking through the line of men! About time. And then she spoke. Not only was she not a good sports reporter- who didn't improve with time-she had the most aggravating voice to boot. I'd rather listen to chalk on a chalk board. The next time I start hearing of her again when it came to politics. She became mayor of the little town I had lived in. I didn't associate who she was then with how I first knew her because of her name change, until I heard her speak. I didn't like what she was doing as a mayor. It wasn't right or fair. She screwed a bunch of people over. And then she became governor. I admit, I wasn't there when that happened. But had I been, I would have voted for anyone but. I stayed up on the politics even when I wasn’t there so I had the opportunity to listen to some of the gubernatorial "debate" tapes from the general election in 2006. You listen to them and you too would wonder why anyone voted for her. All 114,000 of them. She would not have been elected if there had not been 6 candidates for Governor on the general ballot.
But on to the "hunt". I grew up hunting. I was a country girl, a Montana girl, and I learned to shoot at a young age, took hunters safety class at 12, couldn't even get a license until 14, but it didn't stop me from going with my dad, brothers and uncles and the many other people that used to come out a go hunting with my dad. I even embarrassed a few when I could outshoot them with their own gun. (I had never shot a gun with a scope before.) We all carried our own guns and I had to work the bolt myself. If we couldn’t- we weren’t old enough to go hunting. As a small sized girl, I still had no difficulty in handling the rifle I was using. No one else was going to do it for me. I do not watch Palin’s show but I saw the clip on another show and I would have been embarrassed to look as incompetent as she did. I think they had a tame caribou (they have them up there) that didn’t know enough to be afraid of humans. Because I have never ever seen a wild big game animal stand so long with so many missed shots and just stand there waiting to be shot. It has been my experience and the experience of all the hunters I know that you had better get it in the first shot because you may not get a second. Six or more is unheard of. Just the fact that there was only one caribou standing there waiting to be shot was unusual too. I have seen herds of caribou but I don’t recall ever seeing one by itself. Moose yes, but not caribou. I won’t say it can’t happen. Just unusual.
As an adult who lived for many years in Alaska, so I am also familiar with hunting in the Last Frontier. I know that for all the talk, Sarah Palin is not a hunter. Check it out. As far back as anyone has checked she hasn't had a hunting license. Nor has she had a fishing license. If you are helping on a fishing boat you are supposed to be licensed. She did get busted once- back in '93 I think, for fishing without a license. But for all her talk, it is just that- talk. It isn't true- it isn't honest. I know too much about her and what she has done to admire anything about her. I was reading the responses from others on this page & saw that several people believe that she is capable of being president. I have a very different position on that. But even putting all that aside- tell me what has been done in the past two years that has done anything to restrict the 2nd Amendment or hunting rights? Why do you think it is necessary to have someone like Palin in office if no one is threatening the rights we currently have? I know President Obama even tried his hand at fly fishing in Montana and has said he believes in the 2nd Amendment and does not want to restrict responsible citizens in owning guns or hunting and fishing. I can't recall any candidates saying they wanted to change 2nd Amendment rights or hunting rights in the more recent years, whether they are hunters or fisherman or not. So if there is no threat, why is it so important to have someone you perceive to be supportive- even if that person is not the brightest light bulb in the lamp? Would you seriously want a president who isn't smart? That has to be trained in what to do and say by those around them? I'm sorry, but I don't understand that. I want a president that I can feel confident is at least as smart as I am and I think I prefer they be smarter. I know that isn't what you would get with that woman, so when I see comments like that, it worries me. I don't want to settle and I don't want this country to settle. A person who lies about what kind of hunter she is not the person I want in charge. The proof was in the clip I saw. I know hunters and that was no hunter.

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from John L wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

" I do not watch Palin’s show but I saw the clip on another show"
So, on this basis, you'd also discount Obambi for his gutterball attempt at bowling?

" So if there is no threat, why is it so important to have someone you perceive to be supportive- even if that person is not the brightest light bulb in the lamp? Would you seriously want a president who isn't smart? That has to be trained in what to do and say by those around them? I'm sorry, but I don't understand that. I want a president that I can feel confident is at least as smart as I am and I think I prefer they be smarter"

How's the teleprompter in chief doing for ya'?

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Poor Mont. Rose, you must surely be dissapointed with the joke we have in the white house now.

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from jeffisutherland wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Hil,

Thank you for posting a well-thought out response to the article. It is nice to see that people can add comments to a discussion without resorting to insulting the subject of the article!

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from Steve Baker wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

David, your comments about Sara Palin was just wrong. You need to stick to writing about guns.And stop making stupid
comments. Sara Palin is on the side of the gun owners and hunters. The first wrong comment that I read concerned box magazine for rifles caused poaching. That is like saying matches cause forest fires. As a hunter ed instructor in Missouri I wish every rifle had a box magazine they would be safer to load and unload. Perhaps you will think before you will making any more off color comments.

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from TJU wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

Anyone ever watch Mr. whitetail himself, Larry Weishuhn?? This guy...a professional experienced hunter misses more than anyone Ive EVER seen!!!

Lay off Sarah for cryin out loud. It was her dad's gun...Scope of WAY off....Put the guides gun in her hand and she did a fine job.

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 12 weeks ago

from WA Mtnhunter 4 days ago
plevena1
"I don't consider myself one of anyone's "ilk", but I will respectfully respond to your post and say that I would not vote for a knucklehead regardless of whether they fish and hunt or not. Knuckleheads are not restricted to any party or persuasion, so you have to get the facts straight regarding philosophy, track record, and honesty.
Take the current Capon in Chief; even if he were a Republican, no way would I have voted for such a knucklehead with such limited experience at leading anything except community activism. Why, even his VP and Sec of State said that during the campaign and ya'll still voted for him! What this country needs is real leadership, not more hacks. Let someone step to the podium with real ideas that are good for the country and a track record backing it up and I'll vote for him/her".

OK, I'll bite, name one politician who meets all your criteria and does not qualify as a "Knucklehead". Our current cnc? That fool has less experience than this woman you call a knucklehead, she is more of a conservative than any republican serving in congress. If you would turn off katie couric and the tv as a whole and look into Ms. Palin I'll bet you you will find she is more like you and me than any 100 conservatives. And as far as experience goes . . . At least she listens and is willing to abide by her oath, something mr bowing obama still isn't able to do.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Perhaps a "varmint rifle" refers to a wolf caliber. But I have to question Sarah's judgment in allowing that footage to be shot in the first place.
I like her style, but I am afraid of what might happen if she runs as a third party candidate in 2012.
She could do a Ross Perot hatchet job on whomever receives the GOP nomination.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Margaritaville calling!

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from willegge wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Hey Mr. Petzal , I didn't mean to make yer nose bleed. I've made my case and you know it. You need to examine your own heart sir. And Check Out all of Sarah Palin's Alaska. Happy Hunting.

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from gdcksn wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I find all this pretty interesting.When I watched the show with Kate Gossellin, I thought it was strange that Mrs.Palin had to go buy a bear gun and didn't seem to have much knowledge about what was needed and that they didn't already have one after living in Alaska all this time.That kind of shot a lot of the shows credit for me.And this just adds fuel to that fire

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Whoa...what a blog!Seems like this horse is dead-DEAD!

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from wgiles wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

blacjac:

Were you talking about the video clip or the hour long episode? I agree with you, but my understanding is that the series is supposedly a reality show and that may be the look that the producers were after. I don't like it, I wish that they hadn't done it, but they did. If I were SP, I would be very concerned with the way that people see her and her state of Alaska. I don't know if the video clip is straight from the episode or if it has been further edited. I have the ability to capture that video and edit it to an mp4 file, but I don't want to. Anyone else could have done that and put what ever spin to it that they wanted.

I couldn't bring myself to watch the Kate Gosselin episode. I expected that to be a fiasco.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Amflyer, Drink decaf!

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from CCMJS wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

I thought this was about shooting a caribou?

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from T.W. Davidson wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Focusfront . . .

My stepfather spent a great deal of time with me on our ranch, at our improptu range, making sure I learned to shoot straight (and how to clean a rifle and zero it) before he ever took me hunting. And when we went hunting, I used the rifle I had previously shot (and zeroed) under my stepfather's instruction. No purity about it. Just good basic training.

Apparently, sir, you feel that Ms. Palin can do no wrong and should therefore be immune from criticism of any kind. To me this is akin to suggesting that citizens shouldn't think, shouldn't question, should never analyze, and should never object to idiocy and irresponsibility on the part of politicians and persons in positions of power.

I walk a different road.

TWD

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

When I want to watch a "real" hunting show, I watch Benny Spies. In fact, I would vote for him for President 9000 times before I would vote for Sally Lou Boxorocks for Mayor of Wasilla. She is a big fat phony in every way, and I mean every way.

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from Mark-1 wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Why are close to half them entries on this blog are Coopers? You clogging the blog again, Coop?

How many "handles" are you using now?

Give 'em hell, anyway. :-)

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Rock Rat go back in your hole in the wall over on BACKLASH.

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from Bella wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Believe it or not I also like Breyer's Vanilla Bean, but I take mine straight up (or with a little homemade blueberry jam as a topping).
Gman love your comment- "Esposito gets the rebound"...
I don't object to Christianity, I object to those who hold this elitist neocalvinism and call it christianity.
Believe me I don't target christians, I only take umbrage at those who think their faith allows them to intrude into the personal choices of other people and those who think their heretical version of protestantism somehow implies that they have the Divine Right to vamp on other folks.
And Clay, this land isn't Christian, there were people here for thousands of years before christianity existed, so the land can't possibly be christian, only a person can make that choice. I think your reading of the Constitution is as unbalanced as your views of the teachings of Yeshua (called Jesus by those who don't know he wasn't Greek). You probably think he spoke English...
If somebody claims to be a christian and expounds hateful doctrines that have nothing to do with the teachings seen in the New Testament, they SHOULD be challenged. I had 5 years of Christian Seminary, and Evangelical autocratic types have NO monopoly on interpeting scripture, in fact, that was what the entire Reformation was about, that every man has the right to read scripture for themself- That's why they burned Wycliffe...
So Clay if you wanna live under some Theocracy, you can go to Saudi and try the Wahabis on for comfort!
America's strength is and always has been diversity, which is about religious freedom for all, even if some autocratic types don't like it.

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from Gman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

JohnL,

Don't get mad at me. Read Dave's post. The girl can't cycle a bolt! She's a fraud!

I don't care what Chuck Heath does. His daughter thinks liberal elite snobbish folks like me aren't part of the real America. But at least I know how to cycle a bolt, and zero my rifle. Then Clay posts a quote from some dude telling us what don't hold with their Christian beliefs to leave. Pfffft to that dude, whoever he is. My folks were here before his, so he can leave. God bless godless liberals! God bless Ron Coburn and the Savage Arms Company, and especially the 7mm-08 Model 10!

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from cbanks wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave: Of all the comments on this post, only DickGun appears to actually live in AK and know Ms. Palin, and I'd defer to him, both on her political and hunting qualifications.

I saw the caribou-hunting segment on her series, and it rang true to me. The fact that she'd consent to airing an episode where she shoots and misses says something about her--she's not afraid to try and fail. And she shot a cow for meat--and took it back to her kitchen and butchered it.

It was authentic and refreshing in its modesty. I hope she's the same.

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from Ralph the Rifleman wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!

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from John L wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Best wishes for a Happy and succesful New Year to all.
Keep yer' powder dry, and watch yer' topknot (to quote Jeremiah Johnson) and fill yer' hand, you....
(to quote those other movies.

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from mudpuppy wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Exactly why are we wasting our time on this "outdoor" wanna-be? There are more than enough more pressing issues on hunting and conservation than the latest blather from any politician, most of whom have not been outside their limos for 3-15 years, regardless of their paths to 'right'chyo'nest'.

Just sayin'.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

2010 best quote,

From woodsmanj35

"If you won't stand behind people with guns than you will have to stand in front of them."

Happy New year to all you Gun Nuts !

The artillery is already going off in the neighborhood.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Jehnifer ( May I call you Jehnifer?)

No. I was not referring to your or your post at all. There are more than a few folks who post on here that have lived in AK for a brief time and/or hunted up there a time or two that seem to think they are an expert at all things hunting and firearms related. As a long time resident of Lower AK (WA State where most Alaskans winter over), I have met my fair share of rubes who are "authorities" on all of the above and can't find their rear with both hands.

My comment certainly does not apply to most Alaskans at all, just the wannabe's that regularly show their ignorance on here!

Again, I was not aiming at your post at all!

Best regards,
WAM

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs Quin (out of respect), isn't still interesting how pseudosportsmen will cut down and chastise other sportsmen for whatever reason. It's those who never got involved with the Sporting Community and if so they always showed up late on cleanup day at the Club House and still think they should be privileged for beer and steak including "YES" the audacity to receive credit for the cleanup day

Think about it ;)

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Personally, I think Sarah Palin should be coaching the Gun Nut.... especially if she can shoot running game and he can't. About the only thing I can agree with the Nut is, she hasn't got as pretty a voice as the rest of her....

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Quinn, what part of AK you in?

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank you, sir. It would be my honor! I have appreciated your concise and articulate posts for a good number of years.

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from jes wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Thank you, sir. It would be my honor! I have appreciated your concise and articulate posts for a good number of years.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Mrs. Quinn so your down what I call the banana belt, LOL! I was hoping you were up in the Fairbanks area and say hi to an old friend Sir Randy Pitney who I worked with through the Tanana Valley Sportsmen Association- TVSA

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Walt I did see the episode in full length,but I didn't catch the cartridges used. If it airs again, I'll record it and see if I can pick it out. Obvious the rifles didn't have muzzle breaks, they still had there ears after the shots! LOL!!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Sorry folks, had to get it out of my system!

2011 will be the best year yet!

73's and GOD BLESS!

did I say God Bless?

YA' I DID!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

WA Conservative

AMEN BROTHER!

All jokes aside, my Commanders in the Military who did best wouldn't make a decision until they consulted several troops even Airmen.

The best Air Force General living today, two of them for fact is Lieutenant General Nelson and Major General Thomas_McInerney

These two Generals truly believed the power to victory was all in the hands of the lowest rank, the ones that turns the wrench and make things go! And I tell you something else, these two would walk up to a E-1 pull them into private place and ask them what problem are they having and what they suggest the fix should be and God help the Superior who buts in!

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from jbowden wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

Dave,
Why not offer to go up to Wasilla and teach Sarah how to shoot properly instead of carping? Be part of the solution or become part of the problem.
JB

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from WA Conservative wrote 3 years 15 weeks ago

LOL! Or maybe Sarah will teach him how?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

HEY!

WHAT'S EVERYONE STILL DOING OVER HERE?

THE PARTY OVER DAR!

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Also, Mr. Cooper? As delicatly as I can put it, what the hell is a pseudosportsman? Please excuse my french.

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from OutdoorKid24 wrote 3 years 14 weeks ago

Hey, I was in a hurry, Cooper. I didn't have TIME to look it up.

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