Here we go again!
I pack my Springfield XD45 everywhere I go and if I do go in a place that serves Alcohol I say no thanks no BUD for me Young lady I’m the designated driver tonight!
I don’t have a problem packing in a Bar just remember you’re on the list as the designated driver too if you do!

You pack, NO BUD
NO PACK, THIS BUD IS FOR YOU!

Besides, who is responsible for your personnel safety and one more thing, guns are not the favorite choice, KNIVES ARE!

COPS are good for one thing, making out the paper work to put along with the Coroner’s report!

Some of the best bars serve great food.

99% percent of the guys busted for breaking this law will be squirrel hunters stopping by a diner at 10am looking for breakfast not knowing that the diner serves beer in the evenings.

Of course the Governors "defies common sense" statement makes it sound so clear.

Trust me. It's a systematic disarming of America.

The concern I have here is the slippery slope phenomenon. I can understand the logic that taking guns into bars may not be the best move but as described above a drunk with a gun is not necessarily any worse than a drunk with a car and is subject to the same or harsher penalties. The problem in this line of logic is that the trend will be to continue to make other venues off limits. Guns are illegal on most college campuses and Virginia Tech. happens. What’s next? Do we outlaw guns in all places with small kids for the risk they will get a-hold of the gun and hurt someone? The best solution is not to start carving up a location as to where you can and can’t have a gun but to make sure that those that carry guns know that if they use them irresponsibly or illegally that the full weight of the law will come down on them.

Mr. Cooper's right again. In all the years that dad was part owner/I worked there part time. The knifing's out numbered the shooting probably 20/1. To the people againt this "view/for the govenor" how many of you tote a knife into your favorite "watering" hole on Fri/Sat night?
They'll be coming for you next. Tell um' Mr Cooper.

I knew a guy(city cop) that was "cleaning" his service weapon at his home, when the weapon discharged into the table top, into the top of his leg and had most of the bottom of his right thigh removed in surgery.
Why is this relevent? Note I said CLEANING his weapon, his daughter was one room away watching T.V., wife was also one room away fixing dinner. Oh He was also the FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR for the city police and had FAILED to clear the weapon. +1 for you Mr Cooper.

How did this topic turn into a bash of police officers and their shooting?

I've been a police officer for over ten years now. Before and during that I was in the reserves with two deployments, the first to the Gulf War and the second to Germany. Even though this prohibition doesn't apply to law enforcement in my state, I still don't carry a firearm when I go to a bar and drink. Why? Because no matter if you're totally right in your actions, you will be wrong in the eyes of the public and law.

As far as police and their skill shooting, sure there are plenty of officers that should practice more and could be better shots, just remember like every profession, some have more skill than others. I'm sure there are carpenters that have more skill with their tools than others.

Jerry A.

To Jerry A. : My dad was a Sheriff's Dept(Lt.)and served full time as was his best friend(officer in point).
I was'nt "bashing" I was making a point that some people are not "as safe" as they appear.
Drunks are a major one. Some police officers are another.
Sorry you took offense to my comment, it was'nt directed AT officers. It was directed to people who need to "PAY ATTENTION" to what they are doing/involved in doing.

Would most of you like to carry if you were taking your loved ones to dinner?
What if it was to a bigger town? Sure you would! My wife and I love Longhorn Stakehouse, we have to drive 40 miles to a bigger town,(with a higher crime rate) to get there, now by Law you can't carry to dinner because they serve alchol by the drink in the building.
It don't matter that I don't drink, I can't protect my family going in or out in the parking lot, or while i'm in there. Now is this a Honkytonk, nope it's a real nice place to eat that people can also drink at.
So is it right that just because there is drinking, that mature responsable adults should be left undefended. How many people have been killed in gun fights in bars? How many have been killed in the cars leaving them? The law gives you the benifit of the doubt for the sake of revanue, when it comes to driving, but not when you go into a place as a lawful person without any impairments. Well alot of you will say that if your that worried stay home.
All I have to say is that my wife and myself are both Certified Law Enforcement, and 17 years of Policing have tought me one thing, You Need A Gun! It's not just a bumper sticker saying. "When secounds count, the Police are only minutes away!" When you see a Police Chief standing up there with the Gov. just remember at that leval they are polititions not Cops. Ask a beat cop if he wasn't a cop tomorrow would he like to be able to carry a gun. I would bet money on the answer.

"I'm glad to hear they are disarming the public at an increasing rate. It makes my job much easier"

Charles Manson

jjas,
Maybe I should clarify myself. If I were going to a bar for a night of drinking, revelry, back slapping and the such, no I would not carry. The gun would stay in my car. But if I'm going in for a quick drink, it's staying with me. I'm not calling the BBB for a reference to bars. If I work at the bar I'm a fool not to carry.

No guns in the bars is a smart rule. You can argue all you want about personal freedoms but on this one I side with the Gov. I have family and friends in law enforcement and not one of them wants to deal with armed drunks. The unarmed ones cause enough trouble.

I don't drink and drive.
I don't drink and hunt.
I don't drink and shoot.
I don't drink and fish.
I don't even answer my cell phone while driving.
I have visited a friend in the hospital,who lost the use of his left arm and suffered 27
knife cuts in a bar fight.
I have defused a potential fight by 2 off duty locale police officers ( both packing) at a party by suggesting that their hairy chested display was very attractive to the gay patrons.
That said I don't go into bars, there are drunks in there.
Common sense dictates my actions, and I'm sure that laws won't stop foolish behavior.
And I hope that promoting foolish laws will not result in re-election.

WA Mtnhunter

Thank you Brother WA Mtnhunter a +1 for you!

Got thinking about this mess, far as going to a Bar I’d rather not, not because I don’t drink much but it’s the kind of people you meet. I can count on one hand the number of beers I have had I just don’t get off on getting drunk! I remember one 4th of July in Destin Florida, after the fireworks I went scuba diving and the rest just sat there on the boat drunk on their butts wishing they could have been down with us.

As for these naysayers I see them in the category there must be a permissible level of death and fear to promote their own agenda and to falsely justify keeping their position and power.

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
-H.L. Mencken

Funny thing is, out of all those "drunks with guns" how many were CCW licence holders ?
I've worked P/T in a bar(And carry. .45 Kimber by the way). Everytime someone had to be disarmed(drunk)/or shooting happened. The weapon was retrieved from their car(not on their person)when they happened.
To me, it sounds like a nother' "Human hunting ground" just like most universitys. Just ask the folks at V.T, Columbine, etc. Oh, wait you can't they're DEAD !

jjas,
According to your theory a person in a bar, not drinking, should not be carrying because the gun might get taken away from him. How? How will anyone know he has a gun? Also, according to your theory we can extend this to people on the street. They shouldn't be carrying either, it might get taken away from them. You make a great argument for the anti-concealed carry crowd.

What about resturaunts with a bar inside?

Jerry

I 2nd Big O,

Not only I totally support Law Enforcement those in my surrounding community and State Police who knows me knows they have backup,

HEAVY BACKUP!

Will you shield and to protect an Officer if the need arises?

WITHOUT HESITATION YOU BET I WILL!!!!!

While guns and booze do not mix, the issue is complicated because it targets freedom, not intelligent vs. unintelligent choices... Ben Franklin said something to the tune that those who would trade liberty for safety deserve neither... so what do you do? Keep your freedoms and take a chance at getting shot at the bar, or give up the right to (legally) protect yourself from the irrational armed (non-law abiding) drunk at the bar?

Personally, the answer is simple for me. I NEVER mix booze and guns, becasue I NEVER go to the bar and I NEVER drink anywhere else either. In general, is it better to accept a certain amount of risk, or is it better to eliminate the option, hoping of course that everyone else is going to make rational decisions? It is a tough sell either way, but when it comes right down to it, I choose freedom over security and accept the possible risk and consequences- I do not believe it is possible to legislate our society into safety- law or no law, it just isn't going to happen.

Big O

+1 FOR YOU SIR!

It's not Law Enforcement, it's the individual in that position of I have a problem with!

Wa MtnHunter,
Great avatar, two of my best friends were 82nd Airborne Rangers while I was at Ft. Bragg.

What little drinking I do NOW (as opposed to 40 years ago) is at home! So I have not been in a bar in at least 30 years and have no need to be. I agree with those who say that alcohol and guns are a very bad combination.

I worked in the bar/rest. industry for over 20 yrs. I tended bar in really upscale places as well as some real tough bars. In the hotels of Las Vagas I always felt safe behind the bar, with some of the biggest securty guards I have ever seen. All that I needed to do was raise my hand up and show fingers as to how many guards I needed...so I was unarmed...However when I worked in small bars or local waterholes, I was packing my 357 Rugar SP-101 and still do in salons, dog fights,church socials..Bar tending is high on the list of the most dangerous jobs in the country..My expert opion as a NRA safety officer/instructor, martial arts instructor, Viet Nam vet, if you can't handle suprises get a gun.

Don't worry folks, we got the votes to override the veto Thursday June 4... Gov. Bredeson loses and the people win.

This baffles me. Anyone who would support guns mixing with alcohol is not someone I care to socialize with. Alcohol causes all kinds of bad decisions.

Also, I just want to say that I AGREE with a property/ business owner having the right to say: No guns allowed. I happen to think someone's property rights outweigh my right to carry. If I don't like it, I can go somewhere else. Gun owners are not a protected class, no matter how special, patriotic, or American they may think they are.

I have the utmost respect for police officers and the job they do. But as someone else posted, "I'll protect and serve myself, thank you".

Every group has a few bad apples or dipsticks. Ten percent would be about right in any occupation!

Drunks + guns = trouble. Always.