


February 05, 2010
Hurteau: Nebraska Deer-Control Bill Favors Frightening Free-For-All
By Dave Hurteau
For anyone looking for another example of the Armageddon politicians can unleash on game management, the Nebraska legislature, in an effort to radically reduce the deer herd (a move favored by many farmers, who no doubt represent a powerful lobby in NE), offer bill LB836, which would remove many of the most fundamental restrictions on deer hunting, thus legitimizing every poacher in the state and making poachers out of everybody else.
On its face, LB836 looks to me like a potentially disastrous free-for-all with perhaps the power to disintegrate the line between hunting and killing. In short, an abomination.
I could be wrong. But I’m not alone.
From a McCook Daily Gazette column:
LB836, which would allow night-hunting with spotlights and shooting without permits as a way to decrease the deer population in Nebraska. It would also allow landowners and their immediate family members to kill, without permits, deer caught damaging property, and would establish additional deer hunting seasons. . . .
There is plenty of reason to be concerned about deer. . . .
But the state officials who know the most about the issue oppose LB836. The Nebraska Game and Parks Commission is already dealing with the issue by extending antlerless-deer hunting seasons, reducing permit prices and taking other steps to reduce the herd.
Allowing spotlighting and unregulated hunting is the wrong approach.
And from a Journal Star Op-Ed:
Sen. Scott Lautenbaugh's bill LB836 will allow the unlimited, wholesale extermination of white-tailed deer on private lands by farmers, ranchers and landowners, regardless of season, 365 days a year.
Furthermore, these landowners will receive a $25 bonus per deer killed and a tax credit. This bill was introduced by the Omaha senator because of complaints from his agricultural constituents (and insurance company lobbyists?) that deer are eating up profits and the deer in Nebraska are over-populated.
So the senator’s response is: Kill ’em all! . . . .
Well, senator, you’re gonna make the insurance companies and the farmers really happy if this bill gets passed. While you’re at it, to heck with wildlife habitat or conservation management. (Be sure to check out the full text on this one.)
The bill is especially dangerous because it could set an horrific precedent
with far-reaching implications for all of us. I’ve hunted Nebraska, and
compared to my home-state of New York, deer do in fact run around like rats
at a dump, and farmers, as well as other landowners and motorist, do need
controls on the herd. But not these controls.
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Holy Smoke! If you need to thin the herd by all means do so but allowing spotlighting is a disaster waiting to happen, and it won't have to wait long. I also can't see paying people to shoot something on their own land. If you want to let landowners allow someone else to hunt on their land without a permit and the problem is that bad, I can go for that.
Not only allowing spotlighting and unregulated hunting is the wrong approach, it is flat out dangerous! So easy to shoot into someones house or to shoot somebody!
Wow! The foolishness of bureaucracy will never cease to amaze me. There are homeless shelters and a lack of food in sooo many places. You have to have some regulation.
I used to live in nebraska and the biggest problem I see with this is that these same farmers when asked don't allow hunters access to hunt the same land that the deer are over populating. It was incredibly hard to find land to hunt. So why not let legitimate hunting continue but maybe do a walk in hunt program such as kansas has.
here in virginia landowners can go out and spotlight deer and harvest them with out a hunting liscense all they have to do is call the deer in on the phone and check it i think landowners should have that right but as for the rest of us NO we should not be allowed to spotlight deer at night
Wow sounds like a grat idea, NOT! those peta freaks are going to have a hayday with this. If they want they could send a couple hundred over here to help our strugling deer herds. I also like the idea of a walk in hunt and the thought of donating a good portion of the meat to charity.
To no one's surprise, I suppose, I'll take the contrarian position to the sentiments in this thread. Assuming that there really is a big deer problem with lots of anermules eating up farms and damaging property, letting landowners gun them down is not such a bad idea.
I'm not sure that jacklighting is the way to go, though.
Maybe the bill should be term-limited too. After all if successful it will really cut down the deer pop. After that G&F should have no trouble managing the balance.
Just a thought.
Another thought: I wish we had that deer crowding problem in Arizona.
Foolish..so many other ways..like a DNR website where I can sign up to hunt and pay $100-150 for 2-4 tags my contact info is given to a rancher/farmer who then contacts me and I go hunt their property over the weekend..(shoot I would even request 1 weeks leave) The DNR can give them half the money..all game taken must be reported..then they can keep tabs on when to stop the free for all without ruining a natural resource..then I would donate half the meat to a local feed the hungry org...and eat the rest with friends and family...to friggin easy ...blasted politicians ...did they really attend a school of higher education?
Dang. They're not messing around.
I am from Nebraska and just let you guys know most of the farmer and ranchers are form the big city areas and all they care about is getting rich. I will admit that we do have a huge deer herd but it isn't this bad. There are alot of hunters that are upset about this and if they pass this we all know there goes our good deer hunting and before you know it there will be very few deer. With that with them allowing spot lights and poaching bad things will happen such as people just shooting at eyes and end up shooting a couw or some other livestock.
If the landowners can kill the necessary does during the year, it does a couple of things for them.
1. It thins the doe herd down, reduces crop damage and takes the browsing pressure off the native plants.
2. It allows the landowners (or the outfitters who lease the land) to concentrate strictly on trophy buck hunting in the fall.
That way the pay hunters can concentrate on killing their trophies and the locals can do without. It's a pay to play world guys.
This is nuts, every idiot with a gun is going to be out there. Spotlighting is dangerous, can't see what is beyond the light, I imagine a bunch of the guys doing this may not be the most careful "hunters" out there. Watch hunting accidents go through the roof.
This is not what hunting needs, leave the game management decisions with the pro's and scientists and leave the politics out of it.
Lower tag fees for resident and non-resident, get more access to ground for hunting. part of the problem is landowners, espically ones with large tracts, either don't allow hunting or only take a few deer off ground that is supporting a hundred deer.
And when people start getting injured and killed, it won't be anyone's fault. Then there will be a knee-jerk reaction to try to LIMIT as much hunting as possible. Then the deer herd will explode, and it will start all over again. Seems like the Game and Parks Commission has the right approach in mind, but the politicians just won't listen. Wait a minute . . . is this NE or DC?
As My Grandfather said many years ago.It's like killing the goose that layed the golden egg.Without the does there will be no trophy bucks.
Yikes.... Wonder what he was smokin? Reallity will set in when the casualties start comin in.
The spotlighting scenerios should be left up to the landowner and his kin not to everyone as stated before.
As you might tell by my name i live in nebraska and one morning we drove onto a corn feild and bumped at least 100 deer off it. We are doing somethings besides mass excecution, we are reducing youth permits to $5 and you get 1 doe and 1 either sex you can get 2 of those and as many does as you want but that bill is WAY OUT OF HAND!!!!
Keep on shooting them Nebraska and you'll be in the same boat as Wisconsin.
My wife's uncle is a Nebraska farmer. I agree it is an issue. Typically, though, I believe a step toward harvesting more deer is better than a wild leadp - you may accidentally jump over a cliff.
Examine the examples of other states and their regulations. I'm sure a reasonable approach is available.
I cannot think of a more dangerous situation to be allowed to happen is to allow shooting at night!
THAT IS INSANE!
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED, YOU JUST WATCH!
Shooting at eyeballs? You know how many accidents poachers mistaken reflectors on cars and Law Enforcement Unit light bar for eyeballs!
A fella was smoking a cigarette at night and poachers let the bush up where he was at and the glow of the cigarette looked like reflecting eyes and they shot. Lucky for him they were poor shooters!
I thought the Northeastern Folks were crazy! Nebraska? Hell, they take the cake!
That is plain suicide! I am all for damage control if it is needed but not that way. The only way that I would implement damage control is with a "Shoot only what you can eat clause" to make the practice more sensible and make people aware that it is not a "Target Practice" type of management. Someone needs to make this right or it could be very disasterous to our future hunting rights and our heritige.
Well the only way it would effect me would be that i could go deer hunting in the summer, but i do think that this is in some ways wrong because people are going to trophy hunt and leave bodies all over the place. I also think that the deer population will plummet and although that is the point of this bill there will be no deer left and any deer that walk across the border from any other state are going to get killed thus lowering the population of other states.
The main concern seems to be hunting at night. That is dangerous, but the worse is that it can become an habit. Once some people get the hang of it, they will keep doing it.
Can´t the state congresses modify the hunting rules each year whitout passing a whole law, so that this is just temporary?
And like Mike said, I´d like to have your problems here.
The issue is as always access to hunting lands. I am lucky enough to live "Outstate Nebraska" (the part of the state west of Kearney) and most of the landowners are decent but it is getting harder to find places to hunt. Our Game and Parks is never very high on most of the residents list because of stuff like this. A lot of states have programs to increase access. Our permit fees keep going up each year but I don't ever see much being done with the money.
By the way I do my part with this issue by harvesting at least 3 does every year and only one or two bucks. I love my sausage!
There's a way to control the herd AND make money on this. Let professional night hunters operate with paying clients just like some states do to control the wild hog population.
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp6DQjDjxw
I'll bet plenty of people would pay to hunt at night like this.
WOW, being from Nebraska.I like the idea of giving us more time and deer to shoot. Not to fond of the spot lighting though. The area i hunt is loaded with deer. most of them does so I dont see a problem with more hunting or having land owners give permission to hunters and not have to buy a permit for every deer. I know plenty of people that could use the meat. But as someone already said, lot of the guys are greedy. Few areas are owned by a guy in the city who doesnt hunt but puts up no hunting signs all over his place, and i never see anyone hunt it. If you got a deer problem look me up. I'd be happy to take my little brothers out there and get a few deer.
It sounds like people want to buy land in Neb. Then they can seed it to bring in the deer and them all you guys can come kill as many deer as you want. Lets let somebody else pay for everything! As long as it isn't your alfalfa the deer are eating or your wife who hits the deer all is beautiful. Non landowners love to see deer. Hey can you guys feed my dog and buy me a 3 1/2 in 12 gauge, and pay for my shells, and I need more decoys, and......
How about CHEAPER out of state tags !
I'd be GALD to help em out of their "troubles", and even be willing to donate the meat !
I am from Nebraska and this really irritates me, we already have enough road hunters in Nebraska and this will make it worse.
sounds like a joke to me,,,that would be right up a farmers alley to be able to shoot deer at night to thin them out,in this state when they say they are ruin feilds and stuff like that the state will go in and give the farmer corn to replace what a deer ate in there feed piles,or they use to any how,i thuink they should make it a law that if the deer are doing damage they should have to let hunters in to help out and any hunter not just a friend,, around here you got a better chance of getting hit by lighting,then getting a farmer to let you in and hunt,,and any one that says that aint true is a lier,when the winters get bad and all the deer bunch up on some bodys land,the game and fish i s suspose to have a list of names where you can go to shoot a doe,, and every time i tried to find that out, there wasnt a place to be had,but i know a guy on the game and fish ,before he worked for them that told me, they allways tell him where to go like that,,,but they aint told me where to go yet,any time ive asked its allways we dont knowof any body ....its all a crock the game and fish is run by farmers around here just check there back grounds its all in who ya are,and if the farmers dont have to let in any body that askes id say let the deer ruin any thing they got,in the end they all get there check in the mail any how all ya got to do is go online and see who gets what money gave to them,theres farmers in this state that gets over a million dollors a year handed back to them and i know it for a fact and so do theynot only that its against the law to hunt over a feed pile but they do it here all the time and the game and fish dont do a thing about it i know some body that says he shoots a five x five every year like that but thats a farmer any body else would be aressted for it soon as i find the address ill put it on here and yopu all can look at it it shows eveyr state in the country and every county ,see whos getting all the money in your area
http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=46000
type that in and see your sate and county,it will suprise you
it looks to me like that page wont update to a new one ,pry the goverments plan so nobody can see any more how much money is gave to farmers
What you write is very rational. I support it. http://www.simplyrest.com/latex-mattresses.html
I know this is an old post, and I can't believe I didn't see it sooner, but good gracious! Things here in Nebraska aren't that bad!!! Lived here all my life, and yes, we have a good deer herd, yes, it needs more intense management in some areas, but that kind of free for all is just crazy! If our deer population was that out of control, how did Nebraska (a huge corn producing state) pull off the largest corn harvest on record, during a year when most of the corn crop stood in the fields for an extra 2 months due to rainy conditions? Wouldn't that be plenty of time for the supposedly huge deer herd to just consume it all? The Game and Parks are working on many changes (just look at thier website for all the new things for 2010), this isn't a fix it overnight issue, take the time, do it right. But that isn't what politicians are about, is it? Keep at it Game and Parks, your changes will help a heck of a lot more then what this bill would do, make illegal hunting legal... poppycock!!!
So, the only way he touched me, and I can go deer hunting this summer, but I think there is anything wrong, because people hunting trophies, leaving corpses everywhere. I also believe that the number of deer will be reduced, although it is the legal issue and beyond the boundaries of each country will not leave any deer is killed, the other countries population decline.
http://www.ovulationsymptoms.org
They never cease to amaze me. What a bunch of idiots.
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Holy Smoke! If you need to thin the herd by all means do so but allowing spotlighting is a disaster waiting to happen, and it won't have to wait long. I also can't see paying people to shoot something on their own land. If you want to let landowners allow someone else to hunt on their land without a permit and the problem is that bad, I can go for that.
Not only allowing spotlighting and unregulated hunting is the wrong approach, it is flat out dangerous! So easy to shoot into someones house or to shoot somebody!
I am from Nebraska and just let you guys know most of the farmer and ranchers are form the big city areas and all they care about is getting rich. I will admit that we do have a huge deer herd but it isn't this bad. There are alot of hunters that are upset about this and if they pass this we all know there goes our good deer hunting and before you know it there will be very few deer. With that with them allowing spot lights and poaching bad things will happen such as people just shooting at eyes and end up shooting a couw or some other livestock.
I used to live in nebraska and the biggest problem I see with this is that these same farmers when asked don't allow hunters access to hunt the same land that the deer are over populating. It was incredibly hard to find land to hunt. So why not let legitimate hunting continue but maybe do a walk in hunt program such as kansas has.
Foolish..so many other ways..like a DNR website where I can sign up to hunt and pay $100-150 for 2-4 tags my contact info is given to a rancher/farmer who then contacts me and I go hunt their property over the weekend..(shoot I would even request 1 weeks leave) The DNR can give them half the money..all game taken must be reported..then they can keep tabs on when to stop the free for all without ruining a natural resource..then I would donate half the meat to a local feed the hungry org...and eat the rest with friends and family...to friggin easy ...blasted politicians ...did they really attend a school of higher education?
here in virginia landowners can go out and spotlight deer and harvest them with out a hunting liscense all they have to do is call the deer in on the phone and check it i think landowners should have that right but as for the rest of us NO we should not be allowed to spotlight deer at night
To no one's surprise, I suppose, I'll take the contrarian position to the sentiments in this thread. Assuming that there really is a big deer problem with lots of anermules eating up farms and damaging property, letting landowners gun them down is not such a bad idea.
I'm not sure that jacklighting is the way to go, though.
Maybe the bill should be term-limited too. After all if successful it will really cut down the deer pop. After that G&F should have no trouble managing the balance.
Just a thought.
Another thought: I wish we had that deer crowding problem in Arizona.
This is nuts, every idiot with a gun is going to be out there. Spotlighting is dangerous, can't see what is beyond the light, I imagine a bunch of the guys doing this may not be the most careful "hunters" out there. Watch hunting accidents go through the roof.
This is not what hunting needs, leave the game management decisions with the pro's and scientists and leave the politics out of it.
Lower tag fees for resident and non-resident, get more access to ground for hunting. part of the problem is landowners, espically ones with large tracts, either don't allow hunting or only take a few deer off ground that is supporting a hundred deer.
Wow! The foolishness of bureaucracy will never cease to amaze me. There are homeless shelters and a lack of food in sooo many places. You have to have some regulation.
Wow sounds like a grat idea, NOT! those peta freaks are going to have a hayday with this. If they want they could send a couple hundred over here to help our strugling deer herds. I also like the idea of a walk in hunt and the thought of donating a good portion of the meat to charity.
Dang. They're not messing around.
And when people start getting injured and killed, it won't be anyone's fault. Then there will be a knee-jerk reaction to try to LIMIT as much hunting as possible. Then the deer herd will explode, and it will start all over again. Seems like the Game and Parks Commission has the right approach in mind, but the politicians just won't listen. Wait a minute . . . is this NE or DC?
Yikes.... Wonder what he was smokin? Reallity will set in when the casualties start comin in.
The spotlighting scenerios should be left up to the landowner and his kin not to everyone as stated before.
My wife's uncle is a Nebraska farmer. I agree it is an issue. Typically, though, I believe a step toward harvesting more deer is better than a wild leadp - you may accidentally jump over a cliff.
Examine the examples of other states and their regulations. I'm sure a reasonable approach is available.
If the landowners can kill the necessary does during the year, it does a couple of things for them.
1. It thins the doe herd down, reduces crop damage and takes the browsing pressure off the native plants.
2. It allows the landowners (or the outfitters who lease the land) to concentrate strictly on trophy buck hunting in the fall.
That way the pay hunters can concentrate on killing their trophies and the locals can do without. It's a pay to play world guys.
As My Grandfather said many years ago.It's like killing the goose that layed the golden egg.Without the does there will be no trophy bucks.
As you might tell by my name i live in nebraska and one morning we drove onto a corn feild and bumped at least 100 deer off it. We are doing somethings besides mass excecution, we are reducing youth permits to $5 and you get 1 doe and 1 either sex you can get 2 of those and as many does as you want but that bill is WAY OUT OF HAND!!!!
Keep on shooting them Nebraska and you'll be in the same boat as Wisconsin.
I cannot think of a more dangerous situation to be allowed to happen is to allow shooting at night!
THAT IS INSANE!
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED, YOU JUST WATCH!
Shooting at eyeballs? You know how many accidents poachers mistaken reflectors on cars and Law Enforcement Unit light bar for eyeballs!
A fella was smoking a cigarette at night and poachers let the bush up where he was at and the glow of the cigarette looked like reflecting eyes and they shot. Lucky for him they were poor shooters!
I thought the Northeastern Folks were crazy! Nebraska? Hell, they take the cake!
That is plain suicide! I am all for damage control if it is needed but not that way. The only way that I would implement damage control is with a "Shoot only what you can eat clause" to make the practice more sensible and make people aware that it is not a "Target Practice" type of management. Someone needs to make this right or it could be very disasterous to our future hunting rights and our heritige.
Well the only way it would effect me would be that i could go deer hunting in the summer, but i do think that this is in some ways wrong because people are going to trophy hunt and leave bodies all over the place. I also think that the deer population will plummet and although that is the point of this bill there will be no deer left and any deer that walk across the border from any other state are going to get killed thus lowering the population of other states.
The main concern seems to be hunting at night. That is dangerous, but the worse is that it can become an habit. Once some people get the hang of it, they will keep doing it.
Can´t the state congresses modify the hunting rules each year whitout passing a whole law, so that this is just temporary?
And like Mike said, I´d like to have your problems here.
The issue is as always access to hunting lands. I am lucky enough to live "Outstate Nebraska" (the part of the state west of Kearney) and most of the landowners are decent but it is getting harder to find places to hunt. Our Game and Parks is never very high on most of the residents list because of stuff like this. A lot of states have programs to increase access. Our permit fees keep going up each year but I don't ever see much being done with the money.
By the way I do my part with this issue by harvesting at least 3 does every year and only one or two bucks. I love my sausage!
There's a way to control the herd AND make money on this. Let professional night hunters operate with paying clients just like some states do to control the wild hog population.
Check out this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp6DQjDjxw
I'll bet plenty of people would pay to hunt at night like this.
WOW, being from Nebraska.I like the idea of giving us more time and deer to shoot. Not to fond of the spot lighting though. The area i hunt is loaded with deer. most of them does so I dont see a problem with more hunting or having land owners give permission to hunters and not have to buy a permit for every deer. I know plenty of people that could use the meat. But as someone already said, lot of the guys are greedy. Few areas are owned by a guy in the city who doesnt hunt but puts up no hunting signs all over his place, and i never see anyone hunt it. If you got a deer problem look me up. I'd be happy to take my little brothers out there and get a few deer.
How about CHEAPER out of state tags !
I'd be GALD to help em out of their "troubles", and even be willing to donate the meat !
It sounds like people want to buy land in Neb. Then they can seed it to bring in the deer and them all you guys can come kill as many deer as you want. Lets let somebody else pay for everything! As long as it isn't your alfalfa the deer are eating or your wife who hits the deer all is beautiful. Non landowners love to see deer. Hey can you guys feed my dog and buy me a 3 1/2 in 12 gauge, and pay for my shells, and I need more decoys, and......
I am from Nebraska and this really irritates me, we already have enough road hunters in Nebraska and this will make it worse.
sounds like a joke to me,,,that would be right up a farmers alley to be able to shoot deer at night to thin them out,in this state when they say they are ruin feilds and stuff like that the state will go in and give the farmer corn to replace what a deer ate in there feed piles,or they use to any how,i thuink they should make it a law that if the deer are doing damage they should have to let hunters in to help out and any hunter not just a friend,, around here you got a better chance of getting hit by lighting,then getting a farmer to let you in and hunt,,and any one that says that aint true is a lier,when the winters get bad and all the deer bunch up on some bodys land,the game and fish i s suspose to have a list of names where you can go to shoot a doe,, and every time i tried to find that out, there wasnt a place to be had,but i know a guy on the game and fish ,before he worked for them that told me, they allways tell him where to go like that,,,but they aint told me where to go yet,any time ive asked its allways we dont knowof any body ....its all a crock the game and fish is run by farmers around here just check there back grounds its all in who ya are,and if the farmers dont have to let in any body that askes id say let the deer ruin any thing they got,in the end they all get there check in the mail any how all ya got to do is go online and see who gets what money gave to them,theres farmers in this state that gets over a million dollors a year handed back to them and i know it for a fact and so do theynot only that its against the law to hunt over a feed pile but they do it here all the time and the game and fish dont do a thing about it i know some body that says he shoots a five x five every year like that but thats a farmer any body else would be aressted for it soon as i find the address ill put it on here and yopu all can look at it it shows eveyr state in the country and every county ,see whos getting all the money in your area
http://farm.ewg.org/farm/region.php?fips=46000
type that in and see your sate and county,it will suprise you
it looks to me like that page wont update to a new one ,pry the goverments plan so nobody can see any more how much money is gave to farmers
What you write is very rational. I support it. http://www.simplyrest.com/latex-mattresses.html
I know this is an old post, and I can't believe I didn't see it sooner, but good gracious! Things here in Nebraska aren't that bad!!! Lived here all my life, and yes, we have a good deer herd, yes, it needs more intense management in some areas, but that kind of free for all is just crazy! If our deer population was that out of control, how did Nebraska (a huge corn producing state) pull off the largest corn harvest on record, during a year when most of the corn crop stood in the fields for an extra 2 months due to rainy conditions? Wouldn't that be plenty of time for the supposedly huge deer herd to just consume it all? The Game and Parks are working on many changes (just look at thier website for all the new things for 2010), this isn't a fix it overnight issue, take the time, do it right. But that isn't what politicians are about, is it? Keep at it Game and Parks, your changes will help a heck of a lot more then what this bill would do, make illegal hunting legal... poppycock!!!
So, the only way he touched me, and I can go deer hunting this summer, but I think there is anything wrong, because people hunting trophies, leaving corpses everywhere. I also believe that the number of deer will be reduced, although it is the legal issue and beyond the boundaries of each country will not leave any deer is killed, the other countries population decline.
http://www.ovulationsymptoms.org
They never cease to amaze me. What a bunch of idiots.
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