


February 11, 2009
Merwin: Sell Me On Carp
By John Merwin

Once in a while I hear some noises from people who are all enthusiastic about fishing for carp. That's especially true most recently from some fly fishermen who have discovered that shallow- water carp will sometimes eat small fuzzy flies and will pull very hard when hooked. These guys tend to get upset when I say, "Yeah, but they're still carp."
I have caught carp on flies. I wrote about this a few years ago in our print edition, where I began by saying, "Casting a fly for carp is like dragging a piece of fried chicken through the local seniors' center. If it looks good and moves slowly enough, something will eventually try to gum it to death."
That sounds a little disdainful, just as it was supposed to sound. I know carp fishing is huge in western Europe. That's because those anglers have limited choices. In North America, we can fish for bass or trout or walleyes and more among a large selection of premier gamefish. So tell me why I should fish for carp?
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bowfishin is the way to go with trash fish
Mr. Merwin, here is why: Carp fight a hell of a lot harder than largemouths, and let's face it, neither fish is the tastiest thing in the water. I've caught both species on dry flies, and I love fishing for both. But let's not pretend that a bass that loses its fight in two minutes, a bass that circuit pros just haul in and fight only nominally, compares as favorably as you like to think to a fish that will pull like hell for twenty minutes and takes more skill than brute force to land. Also, to catch carp on dry flies you have to stalk them carefully and cast artfully and accurately because they spook easily.
carp are not fish i will eat so there not fish in my mind
I used to fish for carp when I was a kid. There was a gravel pit we could ride our bikes to and fish and carp was about all that was in it. They pull hard and get really big so it was a no brainer. If it comes down to fishing for carp or not fishing I say give me some stink bait! I catch and release everything but trout anyways so what's the big deal? I think a lot of the stigma attached to carp is the fact that they are so ugly. You just never see a picture and say "now that's a good looking carp" no matter what.
The Rodney Dangerfield of fish ... no respect. When I was a kid we would bury them in the garden for fertilizer. I ordered riverfish in a fine restaurant in Europe - tasted like carp. Never ordered it again. They come behind trout, bass, pike, bluegill, walleye, and catfish on my priority list so I rarely get around to fishing for them. They are definitely a challenge to hook on the fly, but the fight is like hooking into a lethargic tow truck.
If the Asian carp gets to the Great Lakes we might have to alter what we fish for, too. Not sure what it would be like with one of those high flying monsters on a line. Heard they are better suited for the garden and cat dish than the dinner table.
I guess if you are bored with going after the other great North American game fish then why not go for carp. And we aren't talking just using stink bait and doe balls here, I think there is some real skill and fun in catching them on a fly or light tackle. I am living in Europe now and can't understand the craze about carp fishing. They just bait the heck out of a spot and then dangle a doe ball in front of them with a 12ft pole. In my opinion to many other good game fish in North America
I'm with blackfin on this one. I don't think I've ever targeted carp, but his response made me wonder why I ever target largemouth. I don't eat either and largemouth aren't the most exciting of fish. Of course most outings I'm shooting for trout or panfish, and smallmouth do manage to get the blood up.
I once netted three carp in one swoop while they were spawning. I'm not sure if that's legal but we did release them after some pictures. I have to have some respect for my target species and anything that sticks around after several attempted swoops with the net just isn't cutting it for me. Not that largemouth bass are doing long division behind that tree-stump but at least it takes a little effort and cunning to catch them. I agree that smallies are a more respectable target species and they fight like their lives depend on it. Besides, carp are terrible looking and even have a lousy name. "Carp?" maybe if they were called golden drum or something I could bring myself to chase them once in a while but still probably not.
Rick - might want to check your state laws before netting any more fish. A friend caught one by the tail here in Michigan and tossed it back in. Only problem was that a CO was watching. Got him a ticket, a trip to court, and a hefty fine.
I don't see a lot of difference between chasing bonefish (which are ugly) in the flats and chasing carp in the flats other than that I don't have to pay thousands to go after the bonefish. I just drive over the mountain to Bear Lake and have a day in the sun on the flats.
Carp fishing will always beat no fishing.
You should fish for carp because they are big, they fight hard, and you don't have to be careful when landing them. You can hank the fish in, and not worry about injurying or accidentally killing it. It's a carp. They are so prolific it really doesn't matter. I have had more success with carp then i have with pike, walleye, and largemouth...combined.
Nothing like a BRONZE ROCKET at the end of your fly line. Who cares what they taste like, just let it go. Also, If you live in Ohio where opportunity is limited it's just the ticket for a hot summer day. The greatest thing is, unlike trout, if they are not biting just shoot them with your bow. It's a win win.
I think you said it best in your last paragraph, we have lot's of choices. Why limit yourself or discard a hard fighting fish from your list of available options.
I mean we all would love to go after bass, crappie, etc. When they are not biting well or the the carp are readily available, why limit yourself.
I will go after carp if they are available simply because they are hard fighters and they are not sought after nearly as much as a largemouth bass or crappie. Sometimes if the water is crowded with bass fisherman I will go after carp, simply because I have them all to myself and I can have a great day of fishing.
Just don't limit your options, take advantage of them and increase your chance of having a great day on the water.
The only disconcerting thing about carp is that they look like a lot of people I know.
Blackfin32, have you ever had fried 1/2lb. bass? I suppose you haven't, because it taste almost identical to bream. In fact, bass are one of my favorite fish to eat as long as I can catch the really small ones and fry them whole. Bass has a flaky, mild flesh, very remniscent to that of bream and crappie.
As to the carp thing, I fish catch and release except in my own ponds anyway, so how it taste isn't that big a deal. I would say if it fights hard and is fun to catch have at it.
Carp are a fighting fish for sure, have a good rod and heavy line, 17# and up. You have a lot of fun until they bust up your dip net. I don't fish for them anymore, they seem to find me. Prepared correctly in very hot oil they make a decent sandwich, but the biggest problem is the bones, so many needle like bones. Throw them back unless your hungry.
Yeah, not sure I can see myself getting super excited about carp. Then again, I will concede that if the alternative is no fishing, I'd be willing to chase carp, but again, it would have to be a mighty slow day on the trout stream before I'd give it an honest shot.
Oh and John, thanks for the late season Ontario tips you gave me on the question board from way back when.
The trash fish in Central Florida where I grew up are Gar and Bowfin or dogfish. Never have I caught a Carp and have no desire for one. Make mine Walleye, Crappie, Bluegil, small Channel cat and Bass. BTW Bass are much better filleted with out the skin. The skin gives Bass a poor flavor. Took me years to figure that out.
great discussion, remember that the redfish tournaments are all about carp with a red spot at the tail! poor folk will take a carp, gut it, scale it, and then remove the dark line down each side, they call this the oil line, then cut into steaks and place them in a pressure cooker with spices and 15-20 min later you will have a great meal.
Any fish that pulls hard should be worth catching. Carp are on par in strength with any fish. I've caught plenty of Carp on bait and would love to Flyfish for them. North American fishermen (myself included)tend to be partial to specific species. Everyone has an arguement why their chosen species is the best. Sportsmen like to argue and this gives them a reason to. Carp in Eroupe have been caught many times and become very wary and challenging to catch. The Carp here will become the same with increased pressure.
I am with the buckhunter. Their is always a way to catch carp. If they don't want to bite, bite them. People will almost always let you bowfish for carp.
you dont need to fish em there nasty things.
I'm with okiedoug... what about those redfish? Fist time I caught one everybody on the boat was all excited and I said "you want to keep this thing?" It's a freaking bottom feeding sucker trash fish that everyone gets all excited about. I just don't see it. Give me flounder if I'm fishing Florida, you don't know they're on the line but man do they taste sweet.
Alabamahunter, yes, I have eaten my share of bass, fried and otherwise, and as far as filling me up bass serves its purpose. But when you say bass taste "almost identical to bream" that 'almost' must refer to bass's poorer texture and less complex taste: what you call mild, sir, I call bland. Sear bream in a skillet and you have a very tasty treat--do the same with a bass and you have an okay piece of fish. Anything tastes good fried. That does not impress me.
If carp had teeth you'd never land one. Pound for pound they are the hardest fighting freshwater fish in North America. Yeah - they taste terrible. So do the big bass you release. Use some light gear and have some fun.
there are a couple of ponds here that are full of carp but i haven't found anything they will bite on.
jamesti,
Use an earthworm and tip the hook with a piece or two of canned corn. They'll bite.
PS, if those ponds are holding grass carp you'll need to snag them or arrow them. They're vegetarians.
Lots of great replies, here. But I say again what I said at the beginning: Yeah, but it's still a carp.
If you can't enjoy catching a fish that puts on a serious fight, what the hell are you doing out there fishing?
I personally believe carp have a bad stigma attached to them because of thier apperance, abundance, and less than stellar flavor. That being said my focas for this upcoming season is carp/catfish. Living in a country that is blessed with such a variety of game fish has made us, in my opinion, arrogent to the idea of fishing these not-so-popular fish.
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Mr. Merwin, here is why: Carp fight a hell of a lot harder than largemouths, and let's face it, neither fish is the tastiest thing in the water. I've caught both species on dry flies, and I love fishing for both. But let's not pretend that a bass that loses its fight in two minutes, a bass that circuit pros just haul in and fight only nominally, compares as favorably as you like to think to a fish that will pull like hell for twenty minutes and takes more skill than brute force to land. Also, to catch carp on dry flies you have to stalk them carefully and cast artfully and accurately because they spook easily.
I'm with blackfin on this one. I don't think I've ever targeted carp, but his response made me wonder why I ever target largemouth. I don't eat either and largemouth aren't the most exciting of fish. Of course most outings I'm shooting for trout or panfish, and smallmouth do manage to get the blood up.
I don't see a lot of difference between chasing bonefish (which are ugly) in the flats and chasing carp in the flats other than that I don't have to pay thousands to go after the bonefish. I just drive over the mountain to Bear Lake and have a day in the sun on the flats.
Carp fishing will always beat no fishing.
Blackfin32, have you ever had fried 1/2lb. bass? I suppose you haven't, because it taste almost identical to bream. In fact, bass are one of my favorite fish to eat as long as I can catch the really small ones and fry them whole. Bass has a flaky, mild flesh, very remniscent to that of bream and crappie.
As to the carp thing, I fish catch and release except in my own ponds anyway, so how it taste isn't that big a deal. I would say if it fights hard and is fun to catch have at it.
I used to fish for carp when I was a kid. There was a gravel pit we could ride our bikes to and fish and carp was about all that was in it. They pull hard and get really big so it was a no brainer. If it comes down to fishing for carp or not fishing I say give me some stink bait! I catch and release everything but trout anyways so what's the big deal? I think a lot of the stigma attached to carp is the fact that they are so ugly. You just never see a picture and say "now that's a good looking carp" no matter what.
I guess if you are bored with going after the other great North American game fish then why not go for carp. And we aren't talking just using stink bait and doe balls here, I think there is some real skill and fun in catching them on a fly or light tackle. I am living in Europe now and can't understand the craze about carp fishing. They just bait the heck out of a spot and then dangle a doe ball in front of them with a 12ft pole. In my opinion to many other good game fish in North America
Any fish that pulls hard should be worth catching. Carp are on par in strength with any fish. I've caught plenty of Carp on bait and would love to Flyfish for them. North American fishermen (myself included)tend to be partial to specific species. Everyone has an arguement why their chosen species is the best. Sportsmen like to argue and this gives them a reason to. Carp in Eroupe have been caught many times and become very wary and challenging to catch. The Carp here will become the same with increased pressure.
great discussion, remember that the redfish tournaments are all about carp with a red spot at the tail! poor folk will take a carp, gut it, scale it, and then remove the dark line down each side, they call this the oil line, then cut into steaks and place them in a pressure cooker with spices and 15-20 min later you will have a great meal.
Lots of great replies, here. But I say again what I said at the beginning: Yeah, but it's still a carp.
The Rodney Dangerfield of fish ... no respect. When I was a kid we would bury them in the garden for fertilizer. I ordered riverfish in a fine restaurant in Europe - tasted like carp. Never ordered it again. They come behind trout, bass, pike, bluegill, walleye, and catfish on my priority list so I rarely get around to fishing for them. They are definitely a challenge to hook on the fly, but the fight is like hooking into a lethargic tow truck.
If the Asian carp gets to the Great Lakes we might have to alter what we fish for, too. Not sure what it would be like with one of those high flying monsters on a line. Heard they are better suited for the garden and cat dish than the dinner table.
Rick - might want to check your state laws before netting any more fish. A friend caught one by the tail here in Michigan and tossed it back in. Only problem was that a CO was watching. Got him a ticket, a trip to court, and a hefty fine.
The only disconcerting thing about carp is that they look like a lot of people I know.
Carp are a fighting fish for sure, have a good rod and heavy line, 17# and up. You have a lot of fun until they bust up your dip net. I don't fish for them anymore, they seem to find me. Prepared correctly in very hot oil they make a decent sandwich, but the biggest problem is the bones, so many needle like bones. Throw them back unless your hungry.
jamesti,
Use an earthworm and tip the hook with a piece or two of canned corn. They'll bite.
PS, if those ponds are holding grass carp you'll need to snag them or arrow them. They're vegetarians.
Yeah, not sure I can see myself getting super excited about carp. Then again, I will concede that if the alternative is no fishing, I'd be willing to chase carp, but again, it would have to be a mighty slow day on the trout stream before I'd give it an honest shot.
Oh and John, thanks for the late season Ontario tips you gave me on the question board from way back when.
The trash fish in Central Florida where I grew up are Gar and Bowfin or dogfish. Never have I caught a Carp and have no desire for one. Make mine Walleye, Crappie, Bluegil, small Channel cat and Bass. BTW Bass are much better filleted with out the skin. The skin gives Bass a poor flavor. Took me years to figure that out.
I'm with okiedoug... what about those redfish? Fist time I caught one everybody on the boat was all excited and I said "you want to keep this thing?" It's a freaking bottom feeding sucker trash fish that everyone gets all excited about. I just don't see it. Give me flounder if I'm fishing Florida, you don't know they're on the line but man do they taste sweet.
If carp had teeth you'd never land one. Pound for pound they are the hardest fighting freshwater fish in North America. Yeah - they taste terrible. So do the big bass you release. Use some light gear and have some fun.
there are a couple of ponds here that are full of carp but i haven't found anything they will bite on.
Nothing like a BRONZE ROCKET at the end of your fly line. Who cares what they taste like, just let it go. Also, If you live in Ohio where opportunity is limited it's just the ticket for a hot summer day. The greatest thing is, unlike trout, if they are not biting just shoot them with your bow. It's a win win.
I am with the buckhunter. Their is always a way to catch carp. If they don't want to bite, bite them. People will almost always let you bowfish for carp.
I think you said it best in your last paragraph, we have lot's of choices. Why limit yourself or discard a hard fighting fish from your list of available options.
I mean we all would love to go after bass, crappie, etc. When they are not biting well or the the carp are readily available, why limit yourself.
I will go after carp if they are available simply because they are hard fighters and they are not sought after nearly as much as a largemouth bass or crappie. Sometimes if the water is crowded with bass fisherman I will go after carp, simply because I have them all to myself and I can have a great day of fishing.
Just don't limit your options, take advantage of them and increase your chance of having a great day on the water.
If you can't enjoy catching a fish that puts on a serious fight, what the hell are you doing out there fishing?
Alabamahunter, yes, I have eaten my share of bass, fried and otherwise, and as far as filling me up bass serves its purpose. But when you say bass taste "almost identical to bream" that 'almost' must refer to bass's poorer texture and less complex taste: what you call mild, sir, I call bland. Sear bream in a skillet and you have a very tasty treat--do the same with a bass and you have an okay piece of fish. Anything tastes good fried. That does not impress me.
you dont need to fish em there nasty things.
You should fish for carp because they are big, they fight hard, and you don't have to be careful when landing them. You can hank the fish in, and not worry about injurying or accidentally killing it. It's a carp. They are so prolific it really doesn't matter. I have had more success with carp then i have with pike, walleye, and largemouth...combined.
I once netted three carp in one swoop while they were spawning. I'm not sure if that's legal but we did release them after some pictures. I have to have some respect for my target species and anything that sticks around after several attempted swoops with the net just isn't cutting it for me. Not that largemouth bass are doing long division behind that tree-stump but at least it takes a little effort and cunning to catch them. I agree that smallies are a more respectable target species and they fight like their lives depend on it. Besides, carp are terrible looking and even have a lousy name. "Carp?" maybe if they were called golden drum or something I could bring myself to chase them once in a while but still probably not.
carp are not fish i will eat so there not fish in my mind
bowfishin is the way to go with trash fish
I personally believe carp have a bad stigma attached to them because of thier apperance, abundance, and less than stellar flavor. That being said my focas for this upcoming season is carp/catfish. Living in a country that is blessed with such a variety of game fish has made us, in my opinion, arrogent to the idea of fishing these not-so-popular fish.
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