


June 03, 2009
Discussion Topic: PA To Crack Down On Poachers
By Dave Hurteau
From the PR Newswire:
Pennsylvania Game Commission Executive Director Carl G. Roe today praised the House Game and Fisheries Committee and its chairmen. . . for its near unanimous approval of House Bill 97, which would increase penalties and fines for poaching. . . .
Roe said that the causes of poaching vary, but the myth that most poachers are committing their offenses to provide food for their families is, in reality, almost never the case.
"Most often, poaching today is committed by criminals driving $30,000 vehicles, using expensive night-vision technology, illegal silencers and firearms," Roe said. "Most commonly, the causes are simply greed [or] obsessive behavior in collecting antlers. . . . A disturbing and increasingly common cause is killing simply for thrill with no intention of making use of any part of the animal."
Are you surprised to learn that the vast majority of poachers do not do so to feed their families? Is it a good argument for making the penalties stiffer?
Comments (19)
I feel that if you are "horn" poaching then the penalties
should be as follows.
Lose the vic. used
Lose the weapon used.
Lose licence FOREVER !
In addition if your using "extra" equipment(night vision,suppresser(no such thing as a silencer),etc. Then Federal charges should be filled and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
This is just MY opinion though.
that sounds about right . i think they should loose the right to own any fire arms, for a long period of time 10 years or so as well . people that poach for horns or blood lust should receive no sympathy at all .
Alaska laws should be used
You lose everything, from the point of origan to the kill!
They should also be fined for shooting at un-identified objects. Worst moving brush shooters ever live in PA. Won't hunt on public land there, period. I agree there should be stiffer fines, maybe not taking their guns and right to hunt away until the 2nd offense.
i know some who do it for money or food but i knoe alot are just jackasses who make a bad name for hunters. im glad their gonna crack down here in pa and i hope the\y catch alot of them
I would be ok with the alaska law being used, and also a complete removal of your license for 3-5 years. Would also like other states to honor not selling you a license as well in that time period.
It's about Time!
Not only should they," lose everything, from the point of origan to the kill," as Clay said,but they should estimate the age of the animal and give you at least twice that in jail.
Wake up America!
When I took hunter safety in Pa., the officer teaching said most of the poachers were using .22s and driving pickup trucks. That sort of trailer-trash poaching style seems more in line with what I'd expect up there than rich guys which silencers. While that image makes the public madder and more supportive of the measure no doubt, I never got the impression that there were a whole bunch of silencers (suppressors, if you prefer) floating around in Pennsy.
This is what bothers me the most. Those that need the food the least, take the most. Burn 'em.
Just a little about the law - First off, there is something called the "Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact" which is compromised of 31 states (currently, and growing all the time; 4 are in the process of passing legislation to become members). The WVC basically honors any and all suspensions imposed by other states that are in the compact.
Example:
Frank is hunting in Colorado and poaches a 6x6 bull elk. Frank is convicted of illegal possession of the bull elk, and also has his hunting AND fishing privileges suspended for a period of 10 years. Since Colorado is a member of the WVC, Frank is now suspended in 30 other states for the same 10 years.
If Frank even attempts to purchase any kind of hunting or fishing license in any of the 30 other states that are members of the WVC, he will be automatically suspended for another 2 years, and fined $500 more.
Next - and it will be last also... - Colorado is a wonderful state when it comes to prosecuting poachers. We have a "Samson Surcharge" which was established after the senseless poaching of "Samson" in Rocky Mountain National Park. Basically, this surcharge will be added to any fines that are imposed by the tickets the poacher has received if the animal he/she has poached is a "trophy" animal. There are different criteria that establishes a "trophy" for each species of big game animal in Colorado. The surcharges range from $40,000 for a trophy bighorn sheep, to $7,000 for a deer (whitetail or mule deer) and pronghorn antelope.
The other thing - Colorado has the ability to seize anything and everything that was used to complete the crime of poaching....guns, cars, binoculars, rangefinders, knives, etc.
Hope this helps a little bit - at least it should shine a little light for Colorado law!!
On top of the stiffer penalties, trophy poachers should have to go to every hunter safety course with-in a 100 mile radius of their home town and give testimonials, plus they should be mandated to sport bumper stickers on all of their vehicles that say something like: "I got caught poaching"
Make 'em pay!
I find it unfortunate that the NRA does not support this bill.
I have absolutely no sympathy for poachers. I hunt in PA and there are more than a few of these scumbags out there. We had heard rumors last season that opening day wardens had finally caught a poacher in Washington County that had taken somewhere around 30 bucks since summer. Rumor had it that they came acrossed a triaxle load of corn and salt blocks all around it.
Take the firearms, take the vehicles, throw them in jail for 5 years and put them on a watch list.
Never heard of anybody shootin for horns to feed their family, sound to me if they do that then they dont need the meat that bad because if they did they would shoot a doe or better yet ask the state or a food bank for help.The bad thing is that the more big bucks that get a lot of press by real sportsman can get other people greety and they will spotlight or do just about whatever they have to to get those big horns even poach on a WMA.I say take every thing they used to kill the animal fine them $25,000 and lock em up for 2 years in the nastiest state pen we can find and I bet when they get out they wont want poach anymore. just my 2 cents worth.
Unless House Bill 97 also provides for more wardens to do the work of catching poachers I don't see much improvement.
No matter what the penalty, poachers still need to be caught, and that takes manpower.
Let the fines support the wardens efforts(not go into some general fund)
that might help. Confiscate all paraphernalia used ( guns, vehicles, lights any equipment at all ) sell it at auction and combine that with the fine and turn it all over to the Wardens to at their discretion in their efforts to uphold the law.
Poachers should lose their license. After two or thre penalties, having local DNR officials give you a sneer or bad look would make you think it would be enough. People who poach deer for their backstraps or for their antlers should not be allowed to hunt. Varying laws aside, spotlighting with a rifle and taking deer off private land without permission is just flat-out wrong.
Although harsh, I am with Clay Cooper on this one... you make the penalties and fines so harsh that nobody would even want to poach. Losing everything, well that is something I do not think a lot of people would want to risk over poaching.
I hunt in Pa. and hear often from the wardens and farmers about the poaching problem. A ton of it goes on in the early fall when bucks are in bachelor groups, devastating local herds. Lock 'em up. On the other hand, a guy who can't make ends meet(meat) takes one to feed his family, Should he face the same harsh penalty? A lot of recent poaching in pa has been college-age kids. Partying, drinking, shooting. Not good. As far as feeling safe in Penns woods, i hunt public land, but on opening morning i go where i can expect to see NO hunters, deep. But it's not unsafe.
they better crack down on this paoching bullsh**, my dads cousin owns a farm a few miles from us in a more developed area and he has had multiple bucks killed in his fields at night and been woken up by the shots.
poaching really pisses me off
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I feel that if you are "horn" poaching then the penalties
should be as follows.
Lose the vic. used
Lose the weapon used.
Lose licence FOREVER !
In addition if your using "extra" equipment(night vision,suppresser(no such thing as a silencer),etc. Then Federal charges should be filled and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
This is just MY opinion though.
that sounds about right . i think they should loose the right to own any fire arms, for a long period of time 10 years or so as well . people that poach for horns or blood lust should receive no sympathy at all .
Alaska laws should be used
You lose everything, from the point of origan to the kill!
They should also be fined for shooting at un-identified objects. Worst moving brush shooters ever live in PA. Won't hunt on public land there, period. I agree there should be stiffer fines, maybe not taking their guns and right to hunt away until the 2nd offense.
i know some who do it for money or food but i knoe alot are just jackasses who make a bad name for hunters. im glad their gonna crack down here in pa and i hope the\y catch alot of them
I would be ok with the alaska law being used, and also a complete removal of your license for 3-5 years. Would also like other states to honor not selling you a license as well in that time period.
It's about Time!
Not only should they," lose everything, from the point of origan to the kill," as Clay said,but they should estimate the age of the animal and give you at least twice that in jail.
Wake up America!
When I took hunter safety in Pa., the officer teaching said most of the poachers were using .22s and driving pickup trucks. That sort of trailer-trash poaching style seems more in line with what I'd expect up there than rich guys which silencers. While that image makes the public madder and more supportive of the measure no doubt, I never got the impression that there were a whole bunch of silencers (suppressors, if you prefer) floating around in Pennsy.
This is what bothers me the most. Those that need the food the least, take the most. Burn 'em.
Just a little about the law - First off, there is something called the "Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact" which is compromised of 31 states (currently, and growing all the time; 4 are in the process of passing legislation to become members). The WVC basically honors any and all suspensions imposed by other states that are in the compact.
Example:
Frank is hunting in Colorado and poaches a 6x6 bull elk. Frank is convicted of illegal possession of the bull elk, and also has his hunting AND fishing privileges suspended for a period of 10 years. Since Colorado is a member of the WVC, Frank is now suspended in 30 other states for the same 10 years.
If Frank even attempts to purchase any kind of hunting or fishing license in any of the 30 other states that are members of the WVC, he will be automatically suspended for another 2 years, and fined $500 more.
Next - and it will be last also... - Colorado is a wonderful state when it comes to prosecuting poachers. We have a "Samson Surcharge" which was established after the senseless poaching of "Samson" in Rocky Mountain National Park. Basically, this surcharge will be added to any fines that are imposed by the tickets the poacher has received if the animal he/she has poached is a "trophy" animal. There are different criteria that establishes a "trophy" for each species of big game animal in Colorado. The surcharges range from $40,000 for a trophy bighorn sheep, to $7,000 for a deer (whitetail or mule deer) and pronghorn antelope.
The other thing - Colorado has the ability to seize anything and everything that was used to complete the crime of poaching....guns, cars, binoculars, rangefinders, knives, etc.
Hope this helps a little bit - at least it should shine a little light for Colorado law!!
On top of the stiffer penalties, trophy poachers should have to go to every hunter safety course with-in a 100 mile radius of their home town and give testimonials, plus they should be mandated to sport bumper stickers on all of their vehicles that say something like: "I got caught poaching"
Make 'em pay!
I find it unfortunate that the NRA does not support this bill.
I have absolutely no sympathy for poachers. I hunt in PA and there are more than a few of these scumbags out there. We had heard rumors last season that opening day wardens had finally caught a poacher in Washington County that had taken somewhere around 30 bucks since summer. Rumor had it that they came acrossed a triaxle load of corn and salt blocks all around it.
Take the firearms, take the vehicles, throw them in jail for 5 years and put them on a watch list.
Never heard of anybody shootin for horns to feed their family, sound to me if they do that then they dont need the meat that bad because if they did they would shoot a doe or better yet ask the state or a food bank for help.The bad thing is that the more big bucks that get a lot of press by real sportsman can get other people greety and they will spotlight or do just about whatever they have to to get those big horns even poach on a WMA.I say take every thing they used to kill the animal fine them $25,000 and lock em up for 2 years in the nastiest state pen we can find and I bet when they get out they wont want poach anymore. just my 2 cents worth.
Unless House Bill 97 also provides for more wardens to do the work of catching poachers I don't see much improvement.
No matter what the penalty, poachers still need to be caught, and that takes manpower.
Let the fines support the wardens efforts(not go into some general fund)
that might help. Confiscate all paraphernalia used ( guns, vehicles, lights any equipment at all ) sell it at auction and combine that with the fine and turn it all over to the Wardens to at their discretion in their efforts to uphold the law.
Poachers should lose their license. After two or thre penalties, having local DNR officials give you a sneer or bad look would make you think it would be enough. People who poach deer for their backstraps or for their antlers should not be allowed to hunt. Varying laws aside, spotlighting with a rifle and taking deer off private land without permission is just flat-out wrong.
Although harsh, I am with Clay Cooper on this one... you make the penalties and fines so harsh that nobody would even want to poach. Losing everything, well that is something I do not think a lot of people would want to risk over poaching.
I hunt in Pa. and hear often from the wardens and farmers about the poaching problem. A ton of it goes on in the early fall when bucks are in bachelor groups, devastating local herds. Lock 'em up. On the other hand, a guy who can't make ends meet(meat) takes one to feed his family, Should he face the same harsh penalty? A lot of recent poaching in pa has been college-age kids. Partying, drinking, shooting. Not good. As far as feeling safe in Penns woods, i hunt public land, but on opening morning i go where i can expect to see NO hunters, deep. But it's not unsafe.
they better crack down on this paoching bullsh**, my dads cousin owns a farm a few miles from us in a more developed area and he has had multiple bucks killed in his fields at night and been woken up by the shots.
poaching really pisses me off
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