


June 01, 2009
Discussion Topic: On Sotomayor and Your Guns
By Dave Hurteau
You’ve gotta to love our political system and the media’s coverage of it: When neither can offer clarity—and they almost never can—there’s always at least comedy, usually unintended and in the form of farce. President Obama’s Supreme Court nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor seems a good example:
The right says Sotomayor wants to ban guns. The left says she has merely upheld “settled law.” And it all stems from nunchucks. Nunchucks!
Here’s a sampling of the latest:
From Fox News:
Ken Blackwell, a senior fellow with the Family Research Council [who also ran unsuccessfully to head the Republican National Committee], called Obama's nomination a "declaration of war against America's gun owners. . . .”
“That puts our Second Amendment freedoms at risk," he said. "What she's basically saying is that your hometown can decide to suppress your Second Amendment freedoms."
The chief concern is her position in the 2009 Maloney v. Cuomo case, in which the court examined a claim by a New York attorney that a New York law that prohibited possession of nunchucks violated his Second Amendment rights. The Appeals Court affirmed the lower court's decision that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states.
From Sound Politics:
Th[e] concept [of selective incorporation] is important to understand in regards to the Second Amendment, and I'll explain it briefly: the Fourteenth Amendment says that "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." The Supreme Court, however, decided last century that which "privileges or immunities" the state cannot abridge are to be decided selectively by the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court has never "incorporated" the Second Amendment.
Now, I am not saying that Sotomayor was correct; another court this year in Nordyke v. King came to a different conclusion (that the "test" for selective incorporation also means the Second Amendment should be incorporated). But it's all guesswork . . . [and] Sotomayor's legal reasoning in this case is sensible, according to precedent.
From Fox Nation:
She Wants To Ban Guns
Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment’s commandment that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
From Media Matters For America:
In a May 28 headline, The Fox Nation baselessly claimed that Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "Wants to Ban Guns." The headline linked to a May 28 CNSNews.com article that made no mention of Sotomayor expressing or indicating a desire to "ban guns."
So what do you make of it all? Here are some question to consider:
Is New York City’s prohibition on nunchucks the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard of? What’s next? A ban on frying pans, candlesticks, and baseball bats?
Did anyone really expect President Obama to nominate a gun-rights advocate?
Is Sotomayor’s position in the Maloney case reason to block her nomination?
Do you think she’ll be approved?
Comments (28)
1) Probably, it is New York after all.
2) Your kidding, right?
3)Should be, but won't.
4)Should'nt be, but will.
You left out the part about the "card carrying" racist(see La Raza).This is like nominating David Duke to SCOTUS.
She is replacing Souter, so we will hang on to a 5-4 majority. While it would be nice to get a Justice who supported the second amendment, we wont and we know it. Sotomayor will never support our second amendment rights but, she is exactly the type of Justice that the President promised. If you voted for the man and expected different then you obviously had to much of his kool-aid.
Bush and "Darth Cheney" may have been evil incarnate but we would be looking at a 6-3 majority if they were still in charge.
She is a racist, anti-gun, bench sitting policy maker (all direct quotes of things she said) and Obama wants us to quickly approve her with little debate. Does anyone else remember the last thing he wanted done quickly? Oh yeah, the 1100 page 790 billion dollar stimulus package that no one read and got released 9 hours before the vote. The "just trust me and hurry up the vote" Obama administration is not going to help our country.
as pointed out in the article, none of us are going to agree with this woman, but is that really a surprise?
Did anyone expect a democratic president to nominate a conservative judge? all of this fake-uproar is laughable.
Plus what does it even matter, Souter voted against the 2nd amendment in the Heller case, meaning he thought the 2nd amendment applied only to militias. You are replacing one anti-gun justice with another anti-gun justice... no net change!
Even if you did defeat her nomination in the Senate (BIG if), do you really think Obama is going to turn around and nominate a conservative judge? please!!?
EVERYONE knew this was coming months ago? Seriously, whats with all the fake outrage?
The prohibition on nunchuks goes way beyond NYC, as do prohibitions on switchblades, sword canes, belt-buckle knives, and shillelaghs. These are pretty common in many cities and municipalities, and I can't say that I've ever heard of the 2nd Amendment used to successfully challenge this. I don't necessarily agree with them, but really, aren't there some real issues to get after?
Question #2 is a big D'uh.
To Questions 3 and 4, Sotomayor's position is a cipher. That's the reason it's creating so much fuss... because the people who really know something about this stuff (hint... NOT the talk radio opinion makers) don't know quite how to categorize her. Is it reason to block her nomination? Probably not, and even if folks feel like it is, the appointment probably can't be stopped anyway.
"Is New York City’s prohibition on nunchucks the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard of?"
No, but it IS pretty dumb. But I also recall those guys in central Africa who got 'blowed up real good' because they were stealing gasoline from an underground tank not ten feet from an active lava flow.
Also, the US spent billions to bail out GM late last year, only to lose the whole thing now that GM is in bankruptcy, and we'll spend another $50Bn to keep the company alive while they outsource production to China. How dumb is that?
That said, banning nunchucks is idiotic. Apart from the clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, you'd think that the *absence* of a huge element of criminal martial arts experts would be considered here. Nunchucks are difficult to use.
"Is Sotomayor’s position in the Maloney case reason to block her nomination?"
Yes. That and more importantly her position in the Ricci case.
"Do you think she’ll be approved?"
Yes, unfortunately.
As ken.mccloud so aptly put it:
"EVERYONE knew this was coming months ago? Seriously, whats with all the fake outrage?"
Did you Obamunistas expect anything different from the Teleprompter of the U.S.?
Yes
No
Yes
Yes
Really, what did you expect?
The Temperence Movement shamed the government into banning alcohol beginning Prohibition. That didn't last too long because Prohibition just didn't work. The recent surge in purchasing firearms and ammunition speaks for itself. You don't think all the people who shelled out $900 to $1,100 for an AR rifle are going to turn around and hand it over to the government do you? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few Democrats in on the buying spree. Just my 2 cents.
A constitutionalist belongs on the Supreme Court a policy maker should be relegated to the lower courts or, IMO, being a community activist, what irony. There's a good chance this gal is going in, such a crime.
Anybody who believes anything said on Faux News probably needs therapy. Those guys are such shills for the Corporatocracy they seem to spill any sort of libelous fearmongering that comes into their heads.
Anybody who assumes Soto-Mayor is racist because she is Puerto-Rican can only be a racist themselves looking in a mirror. Actiually she is from New Jersey and the Bronx. It is likely that she may understand the needs of the native people of... the Bronx.
While I think criminalizing nunchucks is silly, I also have to think of the undoubted hundreds of "accidental suicides" prevented by criminalizing nunchucks. Some fool watches a Bruce Lee movie and the next think you know he's cutting up broomsticks and stealing the clothesline. Then there he lies on the driveway, having laid himself out in 3.5 seconds through his own inexpertise with an agricultural flail. They shouldn't call em nunchucks anyway, we speak English, the key word is "Flail". Now Nunchucks are illeagal in Masterbachusetts, my paternalistic commonwealth, yet I needed a flail to beat the chaff from the grain I was growing. So I made a flail. Am I gonna noodle about with it and bonk meself in the head, Shucks no I have a gram of sense! The same thing goes with anything from Faux News, I have a gram of sense and I have paid some attention to Rupert Murdochs track record over the last few years. He's not even American (he's an Aussie) he owns Faux and uses it to push his own agenda. Still I understand that some people prefer histrionics over rationality. There is medication for such poor sufferers, if only they will seek help.
Think Soto-Mayor is gonna take your guns away? Unlikely, many of the Puerto Ricans I have met like to hunt as much as anyone else. It doesn't follow that upholding a localities ban on stupid martial arts weapons should inevitably lead to disruption of the 2nd amendment. True the 2nd says "the right to keep and bear arms" without qualifying what arms Are. Most folks agree the line has to be drawn somewhere. Does anybody want the lunatic neighbor a block away with his own 120mm Long Tom? How about Uncle Stewie's private stock of homemade phosgene gas? Do you want that cult fanatic over there with his own Fallshirmjaeger? Of course the way the situation stands ridiculous things are randomly prohibited and no rational standard exists. For example, are sword canes really such a hazard to public safety? Does anyone have any problem with the prohibition on bomb manufacture? If our right to keep and bear arms were actually based on the need to have citizens muster ready for war at short notice, then prohibiting the manufacture of explosive devices could leave militiamen handicapped in the face of invaders. Look at Switzerland. Who wants to go out and create a new Militia? Any takers? Remember you have to be ready to obey the lawful commands and orders from the Governors of your respective states now...Company...Fall In!
Bella-
You're spot on with the fox news bashing. I can think of no one organization that has made greater strides in converting conservatism from an intellectual movement to a mob of anti-intellectual, reactionary, yes-men for the (quite liberal) republican party.
However, not all of your comments were so on-base:
you said:
"Anybody who assumes Soto-Mayor is racist because she is Puerto-Rican can only be a racist themselves"
The people above who said she was a racist were not doing so because she is Puerto-Rican, they said it because of this quote:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,"
-Judge Sotomayor
Was she saying that Latinas make better decisions than white men?
Was she saying that judges with a rich set of life experiences make better decisions than those with "dull" life experiences (whatever that means)?
You can judge it for yourself, I personally am not 100% sure, just know that your fellow commenters are not as racist as you might think.
I'm not sure on her second amendmant views, but am suspect at least. Obama wouldn't appoint a gun rights advocate. I'm not sure on her abortion stance either, or gay marriage, etc. What concerns me is "Is she an Activist Jugde?"...seems likely. Is she racist? That's a harsh term, but biased seems to be understating it. Evidence by her past quotes, speeches, opinions, decisions, and memberships to certain organization. Hope all the conservatives on that court live long/ serve long
"think of the undoubted hundreds of "accidental suicides" prevented by criminalizing nunchucks..."
Was that a joke? If not, be careful with your line of reasoning here. You seem to be saying that if a device causes a large number of accidental deaths (Which I highly doubt nunchucks do) that the government can ban it?
It would seem to me that cars, powertools, and, dare I say, firearms cause many more accidental deaths than nunchucks do. If we are applying a common standard here shouldn't they all be banned too? Isn't banning only martial arts weapons discriminating against one subset of the population? Shouldn't all accidental death-causing items be banned?
then you said:
"It doesn't follow that upholding a localities ban on stupid martial arts weapons should inevitably lead to disruption of the 2nd amendment"
Again, I think you are missing the real argument here, it isn't whether martial arts weapons any more or less worthy of protection than firearms are, its the legal reasoning that sotomayor used in her decision.
She ruled that the 2nd amendment only prevents the federal government from infringing on the right to bear arms, not the states. This is a particularly scary idea, and in my opinion quite flawed legal reasoning.
This would mean that any state which does not have a constitutional right to bear arms (NY, CA, MN, IO, MD and NJ) could ban firearms outright and sportsmen in those states would have no legal recourse at all. Keep in mind, this is not sensationalizing, this is literally what she ruled.
Not exactly the kind of constitutional reasoning I want in a supreme court justice, but like I said before, nothing we can do about it.
Bella,
Isn't "fallschirmjaeger" a paratrooper? Perhaps you meant Fallschirmjaegergewehr 42, which was a paratroop assault rifle....
Re: Fox News....is it really any less fair and balanced than the crapola on MSNBC?
WMH
Sorry Bella, I did'nt get my info from Faux(fox). I got mine from several sources and "did my own" fact checking.
"She ruled that the 2nd amendment only prevents the federal government from infringing on the right to bear arms, not the states. This is a particularly scary idea, and in my opinion quite flawed legal reasoning." I agree Mr. Mcloud because in my opinion if even only one of our Bill of Rights can be adjudged (ajudicated?)that it doesn't apply to the states, then it would seem to follow that the rest of the Bill of Rights wouldn't either.
I certainly believe that Soto-Mayor is a racist. Her comment about a white man not having her incite simply because he is male is frightening. There is no question that she will not support the 2nd amendment and there is no question about why she has been selected. I simply do not trust oh-bummer to do anything that is right for our country. I certainly hope that her nomination will be defeated, but I'm not holding my breath. The conservatives in Washington no longer have a backbone!
We might not be able to stop Sotomayor's nomination.
One thing we all CAN do is support the NRA with memberships and dollars.
As far as Bella's comments go-Where the he!! is Clay Cooper when we need him.
I've been called "racist" before. In the service, "Where you from?" "Arkansas" "Oh, your one of those redneck, racist A$$^@(('s huh ?". First time I'd met this guy, who was my area supervisor/and black by the way.
I lived in Memphis, Tn. for a couple of years too(I'm "white" by the way)Fun times there too.
I called her a "racist" BECAUSE SHE IS ! Please look up LA RAZA and see what they "stand" for besides being FOR ILLEGAL immigration.
Sure I'm a "racist". Racist against anyone who HATE'S AMERICA/AMERICANS/ OR WHAT WE STAND FOR HERE .
AS I've said before PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS !
I don't quite understand how an ammendment to the Constitution stating that certain right cannot be infringed means that a state can infringe on that right. I was always under the impression that if the Constitution or an ammendment to the Constitution states something it trumps anything a state wants to come up with. Guaranteed by the Constitution would be meaningless otherwise. I live in SC and Myrtle Beach has created a law that motorcycle helmets must be worn in the city limits. SC law does not require helmets to be worn by riders over the age of 18 or 21, not sure on the age. There are groups trying to state that Myrtle Beach's law is null because of the SC state law. I don't agree with Myrtle Beach's law but I think they have the right to require helmets. SC state law does not guarantee the right not to wear a helmet it just says they aren't required. The 2nd Ammendment states very clearly that we have the right to keep and bear arms and that right cannot be infringed. To me this means that no other governing body can infringe upon that right, unless the US Constitution is ammended again. The US Constitution is the law of the land, period! Am I wrong?
To sharkfin: Your not wrong but look who's in officeand who he appointed(trying) to SCOTUS.
I’ve been holding back on this to watch the “MOONBATS” come out!
A congratulations for Judge Sonia Sotomayor for achieving her educational goals,
However I have a problem with an individual like her for being a Supreme Court Judge!
“It’s called blind justice and equal justice for all!”
What really sets me off are those that refer to themselves as Irish, German/Latino/Italian whatever American or better put a Hyphenated Americans I don’t like. Either your American or you are whatever else!!! Just like the High School White Student was suspended from school for interring an African American contest. It wasn’t because he was born in Africa, it was become he wasn’t black. Give me a break! I’m sick and tired of all these people with identity problems!
As for Judge Sonia Sotomayor, she is not fit to be a Supreme Court Judge period! The majority of her rulings/ cases that went before to the Supreme Court have been overturned. YABUDDY! Some track record!
Let’s present the facts and the truth here shall we
Obama’s plans to over tax and overload the United States with programs that would lead to the fall of our Nation and Institutions then to move in and take over with nominees in place for a collective/communist/Marxist/Leninist/ Socialist State.
For a Judge must have the burning and unwavering true desire, the full understanding of the Laws and bylaws and how history of the United States influenced those laws including the role of 10 Commandments and the role of “true Christianity”, not by race, color or creed but the best UNHyphenated American and to rule by the Constitution, not to legislate to change the Constitution period!
Don’t come to me saying you demand that position being a Hyphenated American and/or being less qualified than those who are! I want the best in that position period! The best Doctor I know just happens to be Black and the Best X-ray Tech I would hire in a heartbeat just happens to be a Lesbian so don’t come after me with your liberal crap!
By the way for some of you
Your Village called
They don’t want their idiot back!
True story by the way!
From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,
“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain -- that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.”
-Lysander Spooner, 1870, in No Treason #6
“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
-Daniel Webster
“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”
-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993
“The presidency - by which I mean the executive state - is the sum total of American tyranny. The other branches of government, including the presidentially appointed Supreme Court, are mere adjuncts. The presidency insists on complete devotion and humble submission to its dictates, even while its steals the products of our labor and drives us into economic ruin. It centralizes all power unto itself, and crowds out all competing centers of power in society, including the church, the family, the business, the charity, and the community.”
-Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute
go figure
And for you MOONBATS!
“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”
-Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.
Clay, Well said.
The founding Fathers had no idea all of this could ever happen yet alone know that there would be a man on the moon some day who would ever thought back then!
Del in KS
Now to watch for the "MOONBATS" to come out of the wood work!
I’m sick and tired of all of this, spent 20 years in the Military for what, just to be a disabled Vet, to allow someone from American Idol to come forth while I worry about a friend’s Son recovering in Germany from Afghanistan IUD last Sunday!
Is this the best America has to offer!
I want someone as pure and above it all as the wind driven snow on high on peak Mount McKinley, pure and above it all!
I was joking about the "hundreds of accidental suicides". really, I think making Keeping nunchucks, shiriken and sword canes illegal is petty and largely irrelevant considering what a body can do with just an extension cord and a nailclipper. I really don't want some crazy with an agenda with functional field artillery or a stockpile of homemade toxic gas anymore than I would approve of Hari Khrishnas concocting anthrax. I still don't believe in any co-ordinated effort to disarm Americans en mass. I think it is obvious that any attempt to take guns and ammunition away from responsible citizens is going to unleash a whole bunch of mass objectional behaviors from a great many previously responsible citizens. I have had the opinion at times in the past that there was a conspiracy to enslave the lower three social classes by the corporate class through enforced dependency on monopolized resources, but I never have been of the opinion that Democrats would lead the charge. I tend to notice that it tends to be more Republicans in bed with coporate bedfellows out to fleece the public rather than their opposite number, although both of the main two parties are shot through with coroprate hacks and shills looking out for corporate interests alone. Remember it wasn't Democrats who invited Enron to the energy policymaking table while excluding environmentalists from the discussion. It wasn't a Democratic administration that started a war under false pretenses just so their corporate could rake in huge profits from enormous contracts (that strangely enough were awarded without any sort of bidding process to the very corporation a certain exvice president used to be CEO of). I don't worry about the Democrats, except that they will fritter away too much time in internal squabbling while around them the Earth slowly goes into crisis.
Oh and I thank the good gentleman for correcting me I was referring to the FG 42 Fallshirmjaegergewere full auto paratrooper rifle used by elite Wehrmact units. Come to think if the FN is considered an Assault rifle, then the FG42 would be the worlds first Assault rifles rather than the MP 44 (unless one wants to give that accolade to the BAR, but I digress).
Bella
You don’t believe in any co-ordinated effort to disarm Americans en mass?
Then explain to me why President Clinton asked a Marine General if he would support him in a door to door search!
Better get your head out of your arm pit before it’s too late!!
i think the administration we have in washington now would throw out the constitution if they could and make up thier own.
The ban of nunchucks is a little ridiculous and I agree with you, I don't think that anybody should be surprised by President Obama's selection. Giving a gun activist the job would totally go against what he stands for and what his party stands for.
Clay, Clay, Clay, You are still worried about Bill Clinton? Bill can't get anything confiscated these days, calm down. I really think you expect far too much of the Democrats organization and unity. In short, while Obama built a massive internet based organization, that organization is not the Democratic party (which if you have been paying attention is still a lot like the proverbial ants with the sugar cube, all pulling in different directions)Leading the Democratic party is a lot like herding cats, the Repubs almost always are better organized and able to get their people to toe the party line. All that generous corporate funding certainly helps. Unfortunately the Repubs primary mouthpieces are lunatic shills for corporate media more interested in being shrill than making sense. I see Rush or Bill O'R I know exactly whose view they are propounding, Big Corporatocracy, The oligarchy of those financial elites that see us ordinary citizens as sheep to be herded and shorn for their profit and continued hegemony.It is essentially the party of disorganization versus the party of hysteric dissimulation.
I am far more worried about corporate greed and irresponsibility than I am about the imposition of some oxymoronic liberal tyranny. I can see with my own eyes what corporate greed has done to the world and continues to do to us all. I am not a captive consumer, I do not exist to be market share, I refuse to be dependent on faceless institutions that I have no control or influence over for my food, clothing , shelter, health, or transport. Somehow corporations have garnered to themselves more rights than humans get and I think this is just wrong. Always remember that National Socialism was really the union of corporate interests (German industrialists) with Right wing political organizers (NASDP- the Nazis). Herr Adolf couldn't have even occupied the Studetenland without the backing of German industrialists to provide the arms, uniforms, vehicles and materiel neccesary for the projection of military might. Remember again, we didn't beat the Germans because we fought fiercer or because we had better stuff. We won because there were more of us and we had a lot more stuff. If Herr Adolph hadn't been so stupid as to attack Russia we'd all likely be speaking German (or Japanese, although I maintain the Japanese won the war really, after all how many readers drive Toyota pickups? Banzai!)
The individuals who are responsible for deindustrializing America are the guys I worry about. Soon It is likely that not even cars will be made here in America soon,all thanks to the guys who fund Faux News and Bill O'Reilly. We couldn't win another WWII the way things sit now, thanks to the fact that we make little these days, all the industry was shipped overseas instead of being modernized, and Whose fault is that? We could wind up with a country where nothing is manufactured but guns, and we'll be standing around in tattered loincloths, freezing and unshod next to our rusting out-of-gas SUV's clutching our empty black rifles.
Bella, Bella, Bella
The -poster “JJ”, 1999-Feb-11, from the georgiapolitics Message Board said it best
“Bill Clinton is not the problem. The dismally stupid American people are the problem. It's they I fear.
Let us take comfort in the fact that majority opinion in this country has seldom pioneered greatness. It has nearly always been the minority who cherish freedom. What we are witnessing is a predictable cycle--a law of political science as every bit as unalterable as the law of gravity--as so eloquently explained by Prof. Tyler two centuries ago: that democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, not due to any one corrupt leader, but to the rule of the masses who become dependent on government. Is it any wonder that the Founding Fathers tried to prevent democracy? Yes. We are nose diving into socialism, not because of Bill Clinton, but because of many of the people surrouding you in rush hour traffic.
It's the masses we must march against, and I can think of no better way than to vote Libertarian and abandon the Republicrats. In addition challenge every Clinton defender you know to name the three branches of the federal government and explain the function of each. When they can't (which in my experience is nearly all of them), simply dismiss them as unqualified to form a serious opinion.”
Bottom line
If you have travel like I have putting over a million miles coast to coast thru all 48 States plus Alaska, you will find how ignorant, naïve and outright stupid people are!
I remember one day traveling a back country road and a truckload of turkeys rolled over. Every single cage came open and 100’s of turkeys just standing around the rolled over truck looking at it. The truck carrying them to death and freedom was just a swoop away prime turkey habitat freedom was at wing (thats freedom at hand for you folks up northeast, you do know turkeys don't have hands)
I find people are like that, there on the Government band wagon headed 90 miles an hour hell bent for leather for sure disaster and they all just set there like a bunch of HOOT OWLS!
Clay I'm right with you as far as being disturbed by the looming threat of American Stupidity! In recent years Americans seem to be demonstrating a growing pride in their Idiocy (just look at Youtube). Stupidity is not only the force that seems to rule the media it is also our greatest export. And unfortunately the good efforts of the diminishing number of intelligent folks are frequently wasted nursemaiding or pandering to the vast numbers of stupid people who will not change despite evidence of peril. Take comfort in the fact that the direst of climate change predictions suggest that dramatic events may drasticly reduce the number of hominids inhabiting the third planet from the Sun. Hopefully intelligence and prudence will prevail, or at least have a survival premium. Meanwhile I hope you dwell on high ground and have a hoe and some seed for next year.
Bella
+1 for you Sir!
On news agencies Sotomayor said the 2nd Amendment is not a individual right!
“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the right of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
-Col. Jeff Cooper, from The Art of the Rifle
“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.”
-Aristotle, "Politics"
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”
-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601
“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378
“Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a reduction in homicide rates. In particular, we find no differences in homicide or firearm homicide rates to adult victims in the 32 treatment states directly subject to the Brady Act provisions compared with the remaining control states.”
-Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook, in The Journal of the American Medical Association, 2000-Aug-2, Homicide and Suicide Rates Associated With Implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Heard on the news this week for the 4 of July a Church is going to have, “Bring Your Gun to Church Day”! Of course no ammo is allowed and everyone bring a gun must bring a can good for denotations.
Clay, In the early days of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, every Sunday was "bring your gun to church day". Of course they were Matchlock Harquebuses so they likely didn't have their slowmatch lit. Almost everybody smoked these little pipes back then (they find these little clay pipes by the hundreds at archeological digs) so a source of ignition was never far away. Unfortunately there was only one church allowed and you could be flogged or exiled (or worse) if a body espoused the wrong religion, which lead to several new colonies! It seems that some things have actually improved for the better, but they wouln't let you smoke in church no more, the christian ones at least.
Now as a good Heathen woman, I would point out advantages to our form of worship...Both of our major traditional rites the Bloat and the Sumble both involve far far more than just a sip of wine, the mead horn holds about a liter, the ale flagon a little less. Wearing weapons is actually encouraged, Viking style preferred ( a little brandishing is perfectly okay during a Bloat)After all the Old Heathen Faith is about Honor, Truth, Courage and the Warrior Virtues. Remember, Vikings weren't pacifists...at all. Hail Odin!
Now Clay, I may just have just attained the status of MoonBat Prime, but I don't care, I love der fledermaus and often greet the moon with delight.
Bella
I don't think your MoonBat Prime, but I do give you a +1 for that!
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She is a racist, anti-gun, bench sitting policy maker (all direct quotes of things she said) and Obama wants us to quickly approve her with little debate. Does anyone else remember the last thing he wanted done quickly? Oh yeah, the 1100 page 790 billion dollar stimulus package that no one read and got released 9 hours before the vote. The "just trust me and hurry up the vote" Obama administration is not going to help our country.
Bella-
You're spot on with the fox news bashing. I can think of no one organization that has made greater strides in converting conservatism from an intellectual movement to a mob of anti-intellectual, reactionary, yes-men for the (quite liberal) republican party.
However, not all of your comments were so on-base:
you said:
"Anybody who assumes Soto-Mayor is racist because she is Puerto-Rican can only be a racist themselves"
The people above who said she was a racist were not doing so because she is Puerto-Rican, they said it because of this quote:
"I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life,"
-Judge Sotomayor
Was she saying that Latinas make better decisions than white men?
Was she saying that judges with a rich set of life experiences make better decisions than those with "dull" life experiences (whatever that means)?
You can judge it for yourself, I personally am not 100% sure, just know that your fellow commenters are not as racist as you might think.
I've been called "racist" before. In the service, "Where you from?" "Arkansas" "Oh, your one of those redneck, racist A$$^@(('s huh ?". First time I'd met this guy, who was my area supervisor/and black by the way.
I lived in Memphis, Tn. for a couple of years too(I'm "white" by the way)Fun times there too.
I called her a "racist" BECAUSE SHE IS ! Please look up LA RAZA and see what they "stand" for besides being FOR ILLEGAL immigration.
Sure I'm a "racist". Racist against anyone who HATE'S AMERICA/AMERICANS/ OR WHAT WE STAND FOR HERE .
AS I've said before PLEASE CHECK THE FACTS !
I’ve been holding back on this to watch the “MOONBATS” come out!
A congratulations for Judge Sonia Sotomayor for achieving her educational goals,
However I have a problem with an individual like her for being a Supreme Court Judge!
“It’s called blind justice and equal justice for all!”
What really sets me off are those that refer to themselves as Irish, German/Latino/Italian whatever American or better put a Hyphenated Americans I don’t like. Either your American or you are whatever else!!! Just like the High School White Student was suspended from school for interring an African American contest. It wasn’t because he was born in Africa, it was become he wasn’t black. Give me a break! I’m sick and tired of all these people with identity problems!
As for Judge Sonia Sotomayor, she is not fit to be a Supreme Court Judge period! The majority of her rulings/ cases that went before to the Supreme Court have been overturned. YABUDDY! Some track record!
Let’s present the facts and the truth here shall we
Obama’s plans to over tax and overload the United States with programs that would lead to the fall of our Nation and Institutions then to move in and take over with nominees in place for a collective/communist/Marxist/Leninist/ Socialist State.
For a Judge must have the burning and unwavering true desire, the full understanding of the Laws and bylaws and how history of the United States influenced those laws including the role of 10 Commandments and the role of “true Christianity”, not by race, color or creed but the best UNHyphenated American and to rule by the Constitution, not to legislate to change the Constitution period!
Don’t come to me saying you demand that position being a Hyphenated American and/or being less qualified than those who are! I want the best in that position period! The best Doctor I know just happens to be Black and the Best X-ray Tech I would hire in a heartbeat just happens to be a Lesbian so don’t come after me with your liberal crap!
By the way for some of you
Your Village called
They don’t want their idiot back!
True story by the way!
From Clays archives of bookmarks, places, information and things to read,
“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain -- that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist.”
-Lysander Spooner, 1870, in No Treason #6
“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”
-Daniel Webster
“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”
-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993
“The presidency - by which I mean the executive state - is the sum total of American tyranny. The other branches of government, including the presidentially appointed Supreme Court, are mere adjuncts. The presidency insists on complete devotion and humble submission to its dictates, even while its steals the products of our labor and drives us into economic ruin. It centralizes all power unto itself, and crowds out all competing centers of power in society, including the church, the family, the business, the charity, and the community.”
-Lew Rockwell, president of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute
go figure
as pointed out in the article, none of us are going to agree with this woman, but is that really a surprise?
Did anyone expect a democratic president to nominate a conservative judge? all of this fake-uproar is laughable.
Plus what does it even matter, Souter voted against the 2nd amendment in the Heller case, meaning he thought the 2nd amendment applied only to militias. You are replacing one anti-gun justice with another anti-gun justice... no net change!
Even if you did defeat her nomination in the Senate (BIG if), do you really think Obama is going to turn around and nominate a conservative judge? please!!?
EVERYONE knew this was coming months ago? Seriously, whats with all the fake outrage?
A constitutionalist belongs on the Supreme Court a policy maker should be relegated to the lower courts or, IMO, being a community activist, what irony. There's a good chance this gal is going in, such a crime.
"think of the undoubted hundreds of "accidental suicides" prevented by criminalizing nunchucks..."
Was that a joke? If not, be careful with your line of reasoning here. You seem to be saying that if a device causes a large number of accidental deaths (Which I highly doubt nunchucks do) that the government can ban it?
It would seem to me that cars, powertools, and, dare I say, firearms cause many more accidental deaths than nunchucks do. If we are applying a common standard here shouldn't they all be banned too? Isn't banning only martial arts weapons discriminating against one subset of the population? Shouldn't all accidental death-causing items be banned?
then you said:
"It doesn't follow that upholding a localities ban on stupid martial arts weapons should inevitably lead to disruption of the 2nd amendment"
Again, I think you are missing the real argument here, it isn't whether martial arts weapons any more or less worthy of protection than firearms are, its the legal reasoning that sotomayor used in her decision.
She ruled that the 2nd amendment only prevents the federal government from infringing on the right to bear arms, not the states. This is a particularly scary idea, and in my opinion quite flawed legal reasoning.
This would mean that any state which does not have a constitutional right to bear arms (NY, CA, MN, IO, MD and NJ) could ban firearms outright and sportsmen in those states would have no legal recourse at all. Keep in mind, this is not sensationalizing, this is literally what she ruled.
Not exactly the kind of constitutional reasoning I want in a supreme court justice, but like I said before, nothing we can do about it.
Sorry Bella, I did'nt get my info from Faux(fox). I got mine from several sources and "did my own" fact checking.
We might not be able to stop Sotomayor's nomination.
One thing we all CAN do is support the NRA with memberships and dollars.
As far as Bella's comments go-Where the he!! is Clay Cooper when we need him.
Clay, Well said.
1) Probably, it is New York after all.
2) Your kidding, right?
3)Should be, but won't.
4)Should'nt be, but will.
You left out the part about the "card carrying" racist(see La Raza).This is like nominating David Duke to SCOTUS.
She is replacing Souter, so we will hang on to a 5-4 majority. While it would be nice to get a Justice who supported the second amendment, we wont and we know it. Sotomayor will never support our second amendment rights but, she is exactly the type of Justice that the President promised. If you voted for the man and expected different then you obviously had to much of his kool-aid.
Bush and "Darth Cheney" may have been evil incarnate but we would be looking at a 6-3 majority if they were still in charge.
As ken.mccloud so aptly put it:
"EVERYONE knew this was coming months ago? Seriously, whats with all the fake outrage?"
Did you Obamunistas expect anything different from the Teleprompter of the U.S.?
I'm not sure on her second amendmant views, but am suspect at least. Obama wouldn't appoint a gun rights advocate. I'm not sure on her abortion stance either, or gay marriage, etc. What concerns me is "Is she an Activist Jugde?"...seems likely. Is she racist? That's a harsh term, but biased seems to be understating it. Evidence by her past quotes, speeches, opinions, decisions, and memberships to certain organization. Hope all the conservatives on that court live long/ serve long
Bella,
Isn't "fallschirmjaeger" a paratrooper? Perhaps you meant Fallschirmjaegergewehr 42, which was a paratroop assault rifle....
Re: Fox News....is it really any less fair and balanced than the crapola on MSNBC?
WMH
"She ruled that the 2nd amendment only prevents the federal government from infringing on the right to bear arms, not the states. This is a particularly scary idea, and in my opinion quite flawed legal reasoning." I agree Mr. Mcloud because in my opinion if even only one of our Bill of Rights can be adjudged (ajudicated?)that it doesn't apply to the states, then it would seem to follow that the rest of the Bill of Rights wouldn't either.
I certainly believe that Soto-Mayor is a racist. Her comment about a white man not having her incite simply because he is male is frightening. There is no question that she will not support the 2nd amendment and there is no question about why she has been selected. I simply do not trust oh-bummer to do anything that is right for our country. I certainly hope that her nomination will be defeated, but I'm not holding my breath. The conservatives in Washington no longer have a backbone!
I don't quite understand how an ammendment to the Constitution stating that certain right cannot be infringed means that a state can infringe on that right. I was always under the impression that if the Constitution or an ammendment to the Constitution states something it trumps anything a state wants to come up with. Guaranteed by the Constitution would be meaningless otherwise. I live in SC and Myrtle Beach has created a law that motorcycle helmets must be worn in the city limits. SC law does not require helmets to be worn by riders over the age of 18 or 21, not sure on the age. There are groups trying to state that Myrtle Beach's law is null because of the SC state law. I don't agree with Myrtle Beach's law but I think they have the right to require helmets. SC state law does not guarantee the right not to wear a helmet it just says they aren't required. The 2nd Ammendment states very clearly that we have the right to keep and bear arms and that right cannot be infringed. To me this means that no other governing body can infringe upon that right, unless the US Constitution is ammended again. The US Constitution is the law of the land, period! Am I wrong?
And for you MOONBATS!
“As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there's a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged, and it is in such twilight that we must be aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.”
-Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
-Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.
I’m sick and tired of all of this, spent 20 years in the Military for what, just to be a disabled Vet, to allow someone from American Idol to come forth while I worry about a friend’s Son recovering in Germany from Afghanistan IUD last Sunday!
Is this the best America has to offer!
I want someone as pure and above it all as the wind driven snow on high on peak Mount McKinley, pure and above it all!
i think the administration we have in washington now would throw out the constitution if they could and make up thier own.
Bella, Bella, Bella
The -poster “JJ”, 1999-Feb-11, from the georgiapolitics Message Board said it best
“Bill Clinton is not the problem. The dismally stupid American people are the problem. It's they I fear.
Let us take comfort in the fact that majority opinion in this country has seldom pioneered greatness. It has nearly always been the minority who cherish freedom. What we are witnessing is a predictable cycle--a law of political science as every bit as unalterable as the law of gravity--as so eloquently explained by Prof. Tyler two centuries ago: that democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government, not due to any one corrupt leader, but to the rule of the masses who become dependent on government. Is it any wonder that the Founding Fathers tried to prevent democracy? Yes. We are nose diving into socialism, not because of Bill Clinton, but because of many of the people surrouding you in rush hour traffic.
It's the masses we must march against, and I can think of no better way than to vote Libertarian and abandon the Republicrats. In addition challenge every Clinton defender you know to name the three branches of the federal government and explain the function of each. When they can't (which in my experience is nearly all of them), simply dismiss them as unqualified to form a serious opinion.”
Bottom line
If you have travel like I have putting over a million miles coast to coast thru all 48 States plus Alaska, you will find how ignorant, naïve and outright stupid people are!
I remember one day traveling a back country road and a truckload of turkeys rolled over. Every single cage came open and 100’s of turkeys just standing around the rolled over truck looking at it. The truck carrying them to death and freedom was just a swoop away prime turkey habitat freedom was at wing (thats freedom at hand for you folks up northeast, you do know turkeys don't have hands)
I find people are like that, there on the Government band wagon headed 90 miles an hour hell bent for leather for sure disaster and they all just set there like a bunch of HOOT OWLS!
Clay I'm right with you as far as being disturbed by the looming threat of American Stupidity! In recent years Americans seem to be demonstrating a growing pride in their Idiocy (just look at Youtube). Stupidity is not only the force that seems to rule the media it is also our greatest export. And unfortunately the good efforts of the diminishing number of intelligent folks are frequently wasted nursemaiding or pandering to the vast numbers of stupid people who will not change despite evidence of peril. Take comfort in the fact that the direst of climate change predictions suggest that dramatic events may drasticly reduce the number of hominids inhabiting the third planet from the Sun. Hopefully intelligence and prudence will prevail, or at least have a survival premium. Meanwhile I hope you dwell on high ground and have a hoe and some seed for next year.
Bella
+1 for you Sir!
Clay, In the early days of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, every Sunday was "bring your gun to church day". Of course they were Matchlock Harquebuses so they likely didn't have their slowmatch lit. Almost everybody smoked these little pipes back then (they find these little clay pipes by the hundreds at archeological digs) so a source of ignition was never far away. Unfortunately there was only one church allowed and you could be flogged or exiled (or worse) if a body espoused the wrong religion, which lead to several new colonies! It seems that some things have actually improved for the better, but they wouln't let you smoke in church no more, the christian ones at least.
Now as a good Heathen woman, I would point out advantages to our form of worship...Both of our major traditional rites the Bloat and the Sumble both involve far far more than just a sip of wine, the mead horn holds about a liter, the ale flagon a little less. Wearing weapons is actually encouraged, Viking style preferred ( a little brandishing is perfectly okay during a Bloat)After all the Old Heathen Faith is about Honor, Truth, Courage and the Warrior Virtues. Remember, Vikings weren't pacifists...at all. Hail Odin!
Now Clay, I may just have just attained the status of MoonBat Prime, but I don't care, I love der fledermaus and often greet the moon with delight.
The prohibition on nunchuks goes way beyond NYC, as do prohibitions on switchblades, sword canes, belt-buckle knives, and shillelaghs. These are pretty common in many cities and municipalities, and I can't say that I've ever heard of the 2nd Amendment used to successfully challenge this. I don't necessarily agree with them, but really, aren't there some real issues to get after?
Question #2 is a big D'uh.
To Questions 3 and 4, Sotomayor's position is a cipher. That's the reason it's creating so much fuss... because the people who really know something about this stuff (hint... NOT the talk radio opinion makers) don't know quite how to categorize her. Is it reason to block her nomination? Probably not, and even if folks feel like it is, the appointment probably can't be stopped anyway.
"Is New York City’s prohibition on nunchucks the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard of?"
No, but it IS pretty dumb. But I also recall those guys in central Africa who got 'blowed up real good' because they were stealing gasoline from an underground tank not ten feet from an active lava flow.
Also, the US spent billions to bail out GM late last year, only to lose the whole thing now that GM is in bankruptcy, and we'll spend another $50Bn to keep the company alive while they outsource production to China. How dumb is that?
That said, banning nunchucks is idiotic. Apart from the clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, you'd think that the *absence* of a huge element of criminal martial arts experts would be considered here. Nunchucks are difficult to use.
"Is Sotomayor’s position in the Maloney case reason to block her nomination?"
Yes. That and more importantly her position in the Ricci case.
"Do you think she’ll be approved?"
Yes, unfortunately.
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No
Yes
Yes
Really, what did you expect?
The Temperence Movement shamed the government into banning alcohol beginning Prohibition. That didn't last too long because Prohibition just didn't work. The recent surge in purchasing firearms and ammunition speaks for itself. You don't think all the people who shelled out $900 to $1,100 for an AR rifle are going to turn around and hand it over to the government do you? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few Democrats in on the buying spree. Just my 2 cents.
To sharkfin: Your not wrong but look who's in officeand who he appointed(trying) to SCOTUS.
The founding Fathers had no idea all of this could ever happen yet alone know that there would be a man on the moon some day who would ever thought back then!
Del in KS
Now to watch for the "MOONBATS" to come out of the wood work!
I was joking about the "hundreds of accidental suicides". really, I think making Keeping nunchucks, shiriken and sword canes illegal is petty and largely irrelevant considering what a body can do with just an extension cord and a nailclipper. I really don't want some crazy with an agenda with functional field artillery or a stockpile of homemade toxic gas anymore than I would approve of Hari Khrishnas concocting anthrax. I still don't believe in any co-ordinated effort to disarm Americans en mass. I think it is obvious that any attempt to take guns and ammunition away from responsible citizens is going to unleash a whole bunch of mass objectional behaviors from a great many previously responsible citizens. I have had the opinion at times in the past that there was a conspiracy to enslave the lower three social classes by the corporate class through enforced dependency on monopolized resources, but I never have been of the opinion that Democrats would lead the charge. I tend to notice that it tends to be more Republicans in bed with coporate bedfellows out to fleece the public rather than their opposite number, although both of the main two parties are shot through with coroprate hacks and shills looking out for corporate interests alone. Remember it wasn't Democrats who invited Enron to the energy policymaking table while excluding environmentalists from the discussion. It wasn't a Democratic administration that started a war under false pretenses just so their corporate could rake in huge profits from enormous contracts (that strangely enough were awarded without any sort of bidding process to the very corporation a certain exvice president used to be CEO of). I don't worry about the Democrats, except that they will fritter away too much time in internal squabbling while around them the Earth slowly goes into crisis.
Oh and I thank the good gentleman for correcting me I was referring to the FG 42 Fallshirmjaegergewere full auto paratrooper rifle used by elite Wehrmact units. Come to think if the FN is considered an Assault rifle, then the FG42 would be the worlds first Assault rifles rather than the MP 44 (unless one wants to give that accolade to the BAR, but I digress).
Bella
You don’t believe in any co-ordinated effort to disarm Americans en mass?
Then explain to me why President Clinton asked a Marine General if he would support him in a door to door search!
Better get your head out of your arm pit before it’s too late!!
The ban of nunchucks is a little ridiculous and I agree with you, I don't think that anybody should be surprised by President Obama's selection. Giving a gun activist the job would totally go against what he stands for and what his party stands for.
On news agencies Sotomayor said the 2nd Amendment is not a individual right!
“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”
-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the right of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”
-Thomas Jefferson
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
-Col. Jeff Cooper, from The Art of the Rifle
“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.”
-Aristotle, "Politics"
“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”
-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601
“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378
“Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a reduction in homicide rates. In particular, we find no differences in homicide or firearm homicide rates to adult victims in the 32 treatment states directly subject to the Brady Act provisions compared with the remaining control states.”
-Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook, in The Journal of the American Medical Association, 2000-Aug-2, Homicide and Suicide Rates Associated With Implementation of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act
Heard on the news this week for the 4 of July a Church is going to have, “Bring Your Gun to Church Day”! Of course no ammo is allowed and everyone bring a gun must bring a can good for denotations.
Bella
I don't think your MoonBat Prime, but I do give you a +1 for that!
Clay, Clay, Clay, You are still worried about Bill Clinton? Bill can't get anything confiscated these days, calm down. I really think you expect far too much of the Democrats organization and unity. In short, while Obama built a massive internet based organization, that organization is not the Democratic party (which if you have been paying attention is still a lot like the proverbial ants with the sugar cube, all pulling in different directions)Leading the Democratic party is a lot like herding cats, the Repubs almost always are better organized and able to get their people to toe the party line. All that generous corporate funding certainly helps. Unfortunately the Repubs primary mouthpieces are lunatic shills for corporate media more interested in being shrill than making sense. I see Rush or Bill O'R I know exactly whose view they are propounding, Big Corporatocracy, The oligarchy of those financial elites that see us ordinary citizens as sheep to be herded and shorn for their profit and continued hegemony.It is essentially the party of disorganization versus the party of hysteric dissimulation.
I am far more worried about corporate greed and irresponsibility than I am about the imposition of some oxymoronic liberal tyranny. I can see with my own eyes what corporate greed has done to the world and continues to do to us all. I am not a captive consumer, I do not exist to be market share, I refuse to be dependent on faceless institutions that I have no control or influence over for my food, clothing , shelter, health, or transport. Somehow corporations have garnered to themselves more rights than humans get and I think this is just wrong. Always remember that National Socialism was really the union of corporate interests (German industrialists) with Right wing political organizers (NASDP- the Nazis). Herr Adolf couldn't have even occupied the Studetenland without the backing of German industrialists to provide the arms, uniforms, vehicles and materiel neccesary for the projection of military might. Remember again, we didn't beat the Germans because we fought fiercer or because we had better stuff. We won because there were more of us and we had a lot more stuff. If Herr Adolph hadn't been so stupid as to attack Russia we'd all likely be speaking German (or Japanese, although I maintain the Japanese won the war really, after all how many readers drive Toyota pickups? Banzai!)
The individuals who are responsible for deindustrializing America are the guys I worry about. Soon It is likely that not even cars will be made here in America soon,all thanks to the guys who fund Faux News and Bill O'Reilly. We couldn't win another WWII the way things sit now, thanks to the fact that we make little these days, all the industry was shipped overseas instead of being modernized, and Whose fault is that? We could wind up with a country where nothing is manufactured but guns, and we'll be standing around in tattered loincloths, freezing and unshod next to our rusting out-of-gas SUV's clutching our empty black rifles.
Anybody who believes anything said on Faux News probably needs therapy. Those guys are such shills for the Corporatocracy they seem to spill any sort of libelous fearmongering that comes into their heads.
Anybody who assumes Soto-Mayor is racist because she is Puerto-Rican can only be a racist themselves looking in a mirror. Actiually she is from New Jersey and the Bronx. It is likely that she may understand the needs of the native people of... the Bronx.
While I think criminalizing nunchucks is silly, I also have to think of the undoubted hundreds of "accidental suicides" prevented by criminalizing nunchucks. Some fool watches a Bruce Lee movie and the next think you know he's cutting up broomsticks and stealing the clothesline. Then there he lies on the driveway, having laid himself out in 3.5 seconds through his own inexpertise with an agricultural flail. They shouldn't call em nunchucks anyway, we speak English, the key word is "Flail". Now Nunchucks are illeagal in Masterbachusetts, my paternalistic commonwealth, yet I needed a flail to beat the chaff from the grain I was growing. So I made a flail. Am I gonna noodle about with it and bonk meself in the head, Shucks no I have a gram of sense! The same thing goes with anything from Faux News, I have a gram of sense and I have paid some attention to Rupert Murdochs track record over the last few years. He's not even American (he's an Aussie) he owns Faux and uses it to push his own agenda. Still I understand that some people prefer histrionics over rationality. There is medication for such poor sufferers, if only they will seek help.
Think Soto-Mayor is gonna take your guns away? Unlikely, many of the Puerto Ricans I have met like to hunt as much as anyone else. It doesn't follow that upholding a localities ban on stupid martial arts weapons should inevitably lead to disruption of the 2nd amendment. True the 2nd says "the right to keep and bear arms" without qualifying what arms Are. Most folks agree the line has to be drawn somewhere. Does anybody want the lunatic neighbor a block away with his own 120mm Long Tom? How about Uncle Stewie's private stock of homemade phosgene gas? Do you want that cult fanatic over there with his own Fallshirmjaeger? Of course the way the situation stands ridiculous things are randomly prohibited and no rational standard exists. For example, are sword canes really such a hazard to public safety? Does anyone have any problem with the prohibition on bomb manufacture? If our right to keep and bear arms were actually based on the need to have citizens muster ready for war at short notice, then prohibiting the manufacture of explosive devices could leave militiamen handicapped in the face of invaders. Look at Switzerland. Who wants to go out and create a new Militia? Any takers? Remember you have to be ready to obey the lawful commands and orders from the Governors of your respective states now...Company...Fall In!
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