


March 13, 2009
Chad Love: Hunter Safety (and Politics) Course
By Chad Love
Who among us younger hunters doesn't look back on the completion of our hunter safety course as a major childhood or adolescent milestone on the path to becoming a hunter? Passing your hunter safety course and getting that card was a gateway into the adult world. It meant you possessed the knowledge, ethics and the responsibility that is required of a hunter.
What you weren't required to have was a particular political or religous philosophy. Unless, of course, this guy was your instructor.
From the story:
Thirteen-year-old Lane Dunkley just wanted to go hunting with his grandfather. What he got was a lesson in politics and human nature. Dunkley and his father Daniel Reddy, who live in Tulsa, went to Broken Arrow Tuesday night for a hunter safety course normally required to get an Oklahoma hunting license...But when father and son arrived at the lesson, the volunteer instructor, Kell Wolf, asked if any of the students voted for President Obama. Reddy, a transplanted Californian - and ex-Marine - raised his hand. According to Reddy and others in the room, Wolf called Obama “the next thing to the Anti-Christ” and ordered Reddy and Dunkley from the room. When Reddy refused, Wolf said he would not teach “liberals” and would cancel the course if Reddy didn’t leave. So Reddy and Dunkley left, as did a few others.
To the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation's credit, Mr. Wolf's title is now "Ex Hunter Safety Course Instructor."
Everyone has strong political opinions and there's certainly nothing wrong with airing those opinions - in the appropriate venue and to an appropriate audience. A hunter-safety course full of wide-eyed kids is neither.
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What an idiot. I'm glad they fired him. No severance pay either. I'm not saying that i'm an obama fan but i'm sure there is some people that voted for him and are outdoors activists at the same time.
In a perfect world politics and the outdoors would not mix, does that make our world the exact moral opposite?
Nate
I would have been less shocked if this had come from the other side.
Jim in Mo, has anyone ever told you that your target avatar bears a striking resemblance to HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Every time I see it I half-expect it to inform me it won't be opening the pod bay doors...
Yes, that is sad - taking things way over the edge. Have to admit, it is sometimes too easy to let political opinions out on a blog (I've been guilty of that). Support for outdoorsmen and conservation is not necessarily party specific. Second amendment support is more divided. But, all that doesn't matter - as sportsmen we do need to support each other.
I once lived in an area where, during elections, almost every lawn is marked by Democrat signs. As a neighborhood party, a woman seriously claimed that she wouldn't associate with Republicans. I asked her about Libertarians. Those she didn't mind. Go figure. She's a school teacher with daily access to many more kids than Mr. Wolf, who was, rightfully, terminated.
I can understand that political and religious convictions are going to be part of any particular interest, hobby, or pursuit; and I can understand that when it comes to guns and hunting in particular, generally (though not exclusively) we are doing to be a conservative Christian bunch. But it does not follow that we should exclude those that don't share our political or religious convictions from practicing our sport. Just one more black eye for all of us whether conservative, hunter, Christian, or one or more of the above.
I can understand that political and religious convictions are going to be part of any particular interest, hobby, or pursuit; and I can understand that when it comes to guns and hunting in particular, generally (though not exclusively) we are doing to be a conservative Christian bunch. But it does not follow that we should exclude those that don't share our political or religious convictions from practicing our sport. Just one more black eye for all of us whether conservative, hunter, Christian, or one or more of the above.
I am a hunter's edu. instructor in Arkansas, and was told to NEVER discuss religion or POLITICS in the classroom. Makes sense to me
That guy is something else. I don't have a problem with anyone having thier own beliefs, but to express them in a room full a kids is wrong. Politics and the outdoors don't really go hand in hand, I know I don't ask the guys that I hunt with who they voted for. I don't care I just want to enjoy my time hunting or fishing.
Currently across the nation we are losing hunters at an alarming rate, and a hunter ed instructor does something like this? Ovbiously he is not the sharpest knife in the drarwe. Granted a majority of hunters are republican, I would think it would be more benifiical to get as many people intersted in hunting, regardless of party lines or religious beliefs. No two people are every going to see eye to eye 100% of the time, but the bond forged by the outdoors is one of the greatest bonds between people that exists.
Wolf reminds me of the other blog thread about Paula Anderson, the Fearful College Prof and Declared Foe of the 1st and 2nd Amendements. Same mindset in both cases, albeit pushing different brands of product.
This is very disappointing to hear about someone who is in a position to mentor future hunters and outdoorsmen. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this guy definately crossed the line and in the process and gave a very negative first impression of the intentions of Hunter Safety Courses. I'm glad to hear he was "relieved" of his duties for overstepping his authority and politicizing the Hunter Education Process. As I learned in the 4-H Shooting Sports Training Workshops, it all about the KIDS! They are the future of our sport, and a good hunter safety course could start a lifetime of enjoyment of the outdoors, or even a career helping others learn to do it safely, ethically, and responsibly.
All of the above! What a tool! I certainly respect his right to his opinion, but what did that have to do with the task at hand? Additionaly even if Mr. Reddy did incline to the left politically, it would seem to me to be a good thing for him to get involved in hunting (and thus the use of firearms). Actually there are some US Senators and Representatives who strongly support the 2nd Amendment so lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. Just my paltry two cents.
That instructor is a case in point at the fanatics roaming around on both sides of the hunting shooting issues and the mistaken beliefs fostered.
-I don’t consider shooting skeet and going hunting a political exercise, or I try.
-If I want to hunt, I better support the overriding Democratic sentiment that tends to favor hunting access and conservation.
-If I want to shoot, I better support the over-riding GOP stand that favors gun ownership and less restrictions.
-Distrust the NRA. If the NRA had its way there would have been no Heller SCOUS Decision. If NYS followed everything the NRA proposed, we state hunters and shooters be in deep do-do.
The instructor should have kept his political leanings out of the course and classroom and just did his job.
Pretty simple stuff.
Jim
Chad I'll have to watch that movie again and check. I'm about ready for a change anyway.
Jim in Mo pretty much said it.
As a Instructor myself now retired, the only person I didn’t pass was the poster child for "what not to do in hunter safety!" Think that was bad, you should have seen the beer cans in his truck!
I own 40 acres just on the north in Page OK and those folks are crazy!
After reading the article, I was proud of our Wildlife department. One of the things that I know from living here in Oklahoma all my life, is that generally you can count on an 'Okie' to do what is right. We can be bull-headed and opinionated, but one thing that we mostly agree on is that you treat others like you want to be treated.
From the story, I feel this is the most moving point:
"“Lance Meek called and apologized up and down and wanted to know what they could do to make it right,” she said. “The only thing we really wanted was for my son to be able to take the hunter safety course, and there wasn’t another one in the Tulsa area with an opening for the rest of 2009.”
So Meek arranged for a private class."
If Teachers could just teach, and keep politics out of it, our children and our country would be better off. Yes there are fanatics and zealots on both sides of the political spectrum. Most teachers have a pro-Obama slant, but that's irrellevant. This was not the time, place or audience for a political rant.
The HE class was no place for such politics. The instructor was there to teach HE and promote hunting to young people. OK DNR did the right thing in un-volunteering the gentleman. I am not a supporter of Mr. Obama but that went way across the line.
Jim in MO we had a principal of a highschool here in GA (Cobb Co. aka Atlanta) last week announce that each student must say the pledge of allegence. Normally I would agree whole heartedly, but in this case her reasoning was that the pledge was not about patriotism, but was about necessary devotion to Mr. Obama. Neal Bortz covered it well on Friday and now parents are in an uproar.
Completely unacceptable. Need an example of why people think we're crazy? Here it is.
This man did himself and all other sportsmen a dis-service, at least the DNR did the right thing in relieving him of his duties. If we as outdoors men and women are ever to be recognized and respected we have to earn it and since we are a minority in the general public we need to be above reproach.
you just dont say stuff like that, you need to keep your political views to yourself.
well obama does have the characteristics of the anti chrisst and is a moron and disgusting excuse for a human being but i guess becoming a hunter has nothing to do with political vciews and the instructor should have kept his mouth shut
I think there is a place for that but not at a Hunter Safety Course where the focus should be...well.. Hunting and Safety. To kick someone out for voting for Obama is ridiculous. As Americans, we all hold the right to have our own opinion, even if it is holding the opinion that someone is wrong or stupid or whatever.... I my own opinion of this guy is that he is stupid for bringing that to that class. He should of been fired. Especially for kicking people out.
Too bad that the leader of this class didn't have the common sense he should have been teaching his students. I think it is okay to dicuss politics in relation to hunting/firearms/regulations, because it is a part of the process that we all need to understand. But this went too far, an no matter who you voted for, it should not block you from taking hunters ed. How are we going to get others interested in hunting, etc. when we do stupid stuff like this?
if it was i would have stade right were i was
Well if you voted for Obama, I am not sure how much you treasure your guns and rights to hunt. If you want that way of life don't voted democrat, simple as that. The instructor probably went about it the wrong way, but he also probably didn't expect to see a liberal anxious to get a gun and go hunting.
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I can understand that political and religious convictions are going to be part of any particular interest, hobby, or pursuit; and I can understand that when it comes to guns and hunting in particular, generally (though not exclusively) we are doing to be a conservative Christian bunch. But it does not follow that we should exclude those that don't share our political or religious convictions from practicing our sport. Just one more black eye for all of us whether conservative, hunter, Christian, or one or more of the above.
I would have been less shocked if this had come from the other side.
I am a hunter's edu. instructor in Arkansas, and was told to NEVER discuss religion or POLITICS in the classroom. Makes sense to me
Currently across the nation we are losing hunters at an alarming rate, and a hunter ed instructor does something like this? Ovbiously he is not the sharpest knife in the drarwe. Granted a majority of hunters are republican, I would think it would be more benifiical to get as many people intersted in hunting, regardless of party lines or religious beliefs. No two people are every going to see eye to eye 100% of the time, but the bond forged by the outdoors is one of the greatest bonds between people that exists.
All of the above! What a tool! I certainly respect his right to his opinion, but what did that have to do with the task at hand? Additionaly even if Mr. Reddy did incline to the left politically, it would seem to me to be a good thing for him to get involved in hunting (and thus the use of firearms). Actually there are some US Senators and Representatives who strongly support the 2nd Amendment so lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. Just my paltry two cents.
The HE class was no place for such politics. The instructor was there to teach HE and promote hunting to young people. OK DNR did the right thing in un-volunteering the gentleman. I am not a supporter of Mr. Obama but that went way across the line.
Jim in MO we had a principal of a highschool here in GA (Cobb Co. aka Atlanta) last week announce that each student must say the pledge of allegence. Normally I would agree whole heartedly, but in this case her reasoning was that the pledge was not about patriotism, but was about necessary devotion to Mr. Obama. Neal Bortz covered it well on Friday and now parents are in an uproar.
This man did himself and all other sportsmen a dis-service, at least the DNR did the right thing in relieving him of his duties. If we as outdoors men and women are ever to be recognized and respected we have to earn it and since we are a minority in the general public we need to be above reproach.
well obama does have the characteristics of the anti chrisst and is a moron and disgusting excuse for a human being but i guess becoming a hunter has nothing to do with political vciews and the instructor should have kept his mouth shut
I think there is a place for that but not at a Hunter Safety Course where the focus should be...well.. Hunting and Safety. To kick someone out for voting for Obama is ridiculous. As Americans, we all hold the right to have our own opinion, even if it is holding the opinion that someone is wrong or stupid or whatever.... I my own opinion of this guy is that he is stupid for bringing that to that class. He should of been fired. Especially for kicking people out.
Well if you voted for Obama, I am not sure how much you treasure your guns and rights to hunt. If you want that way of life don't voted democrat, simple as that. The instructor probably went about it the wrong way, but he also probably didn't expect to see a liberal anxious to get a gun and go hunting.
Jim in Mo, has anyone ever told you that your target avatar bears a striking resemblance to HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Every time I see it I half-expect it to inform me it won't be opening the pod bay doors...
Yes, that is sad - taking things way over the edge. Have to admit, it is sometimes too easy to let political opinions out on a blog (I've been guilty of that). Support for outdoorsmen and conservation is not necessarily party specific. Second amendment support is more divided. But, all that doesn't matter - as sportsmen we do need to support each other.
I once lived in an area where, during elections, almost every lawn is marked by Democrat signs. As a neighborhood party, a woman seriously claimed that she wouldn't associate with Republicans. I asked her about Libertarians. Those she didn't mind. Go figure. She's a school teacher with daily access to many more kids than Mr. Wolf, who was, rightfully, terminated.
I can understand that political and religious convictions are going to be part of any particular interest, hobby, or pursuit; and I can understand that when it comes to guns and hunting in particular, generally (though not exclusively) we are doing to be a conservative Christian bunch. But it does not follow that we should exclude those that don't share our political or religious convictions from practicing our sport. Just one more black eye for all of us whether conservative, hunter, Christian, or one or more of the above.
That guy is something else. I don't have a problem with anyone having thier own beliefs, but to express them in a room full a kids is wrong. Politics and the outdoors don't really go hand in hand, I know I don't ask the guys that I hunt with who they voted for. I don't care I just want to enjoy my time hunting or fishing.
Wolf reminds me of the other blog thread about Paula Anderson, the Fearful College Prof and Declared Foe of the 1st and 2nd Amendements. Same mindset in both cases, albeit pushing different brands of product.
This is very disappointing to hear about someone who is in a position to mentor future hunters and outdoorsmen. While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, this guy definately crossed the line and in the process and gave a very negative first impression of the intentions of Hunter Safety Courses. I'm glad to hear he was "relieved" of his duties for overstepping his authority and politicizing the Hunter Education Process. As I learned in the 4-H Shooting Sports Training Workshops, it all about the KIDS! They are the future of our sport, and a good hunter safety course could start a lifetime of enjoyment of the outdoors, or even a career helping others learn to do it safely, ethically, and responsibly.
That instructor is a case in point at the fanatics roaming around on both sides of the hunting shooting issues and the mistaken beliefs fostered.
-I don’t consider shooting skeet and going hunting a political exercise, or I try.
-If I want to hunt, I better support the overriding Democratic sentiment that tends to favor hunting access and conservation.
-If I want to shoot, I better support the over-riding GOP stand that favors gun ownership and less restrictions.
-Distrust the NRA. If the NRA had its way there would have been no Heller SCOUS Decision. If NYS followed everything the NRA proposed, we state hunters and shooters be in deep do-do.
The instructor should have kept his political leanings out of the course and classroom and just did his job.
Pretty simple stuff.
Jim
Chad I'll have to watch that movie again and check. I'm about ready for a change anyway.
Jim in Mo pretty much said it.
As a Instructor myself now retired, the only person I didn’t pass was the poster child for "what not to do in hunter safety!" Think that was bad, you should have seen the beer cans in his truck!
I own 40 acres just on the north in Page OK and those folks are crazy!
After reading the article, I was proud of our Wildlife department. One of the things that I know from living here in Oklahoma all my life, is that generally you can count on an 'Okie' to do what is right. We can be bull-headed and opinionated, but one thing that we mostly agree on is that you treat others like you want to be treated.
From the story, I feel this is the most moving point:
"“Lance Meek called and apologized up and down and wanted to know what they could do to make it right,” she said. “The only thing we really wanted was for my son to be able to take the hunter safety course, and there wasn’t another one in the Tulsa area with an opening for the rest of 2009.”
So Meek arranged for a private class."
If Teachers could just teach, and keep politics out of it, our children and our country would be better off. Yes there are fanatics and zealots on both sides of the political spectrum. Most teachers have a pro-Obama slant, but that's irrellevant. This was not the time, place or audience for a political rant.
Completely unacceptable. Need an example of why people think we're crazy? Here it is.
you just dont say stuff like that, you need to keep your political views to yourself.
Too bad that the leader of this class didn't have the common sense he should have been teaching his students. I think it is okay to dicuss politics in relation to hunting/firearms/regulations, because it is a part of the process that we all need to understand. But this went too far, an no matter who you voted for, it should not block you from taking hunters ed. How are we going to get others interested in hunting, etc. when we do stupid stuff like this?
if it was i would have stade right were i was
What an idiot. I'm glad they fired him. No severance pay either. I'm not saying that i'm an obama fan but i'm sure there is some people that voted for him and are outdoors activists at the same time.
In a perfect world politics and the outdoors would not mix, does that make our world the exact moral opposite?
Nate
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