


March 11, 2009
Discussion Topic: On Sunday Bowhunting
From the Charlotte Observer:
The perennial divide on Sunday hunting not only pits hunters against bicyclists and hikers in the wilderness – but against one another.
This ongoing debate was renewed last week, when the N.C. Wildlife Resources Commission opened up private land to bowhunting on Sunday starting in the coming fall and winter season.
State Sen. Julia Boseman, a Wilmington Democrat, sponsored the bill to completely remove the Sunday hunting ban.
“It's just an archaic law that needs to be repealed,” she said.
When it comes to allowing gun hunting on Sundays, however, a hunter quoted in the above article says, “It's disrespectful to the people who are at church,” and hikers, bikers, and birdwatchers say that if Sunday gun hunting were allowed on public lands, they’d be squeezed out of the woods during that time.
So, is private-land bowhunting a good compromise--or not?
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You can go either way, but think of how many people that hunt that are not religioius. They could use that day that nobody is out.
Also, we have around 10 people in our hunting party and we usually can't get all the deer in one weekend, and we can't go during the week because we have jobs (i actually have school), so we need the Sunday. Maybe if we get our deer we can go home you might think, but we're kind of the land owners.
Nate
i live in NC and i have mixed feelings about this, over all i hope it goes through. until about 5 years ago you couldn't even shoot a gun on Sunday.
Sunday hunting is outstanding.
Sunday hunting does not infringe upon those hunters who wish to remember the Sabath. However, no Sunday hunting infringes upon those who seek an extra day afield. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
My major issue here is with the non-hunting users of public land. There is no bicycle, backpacking, day-hiking, camping, or any other outdoor use license save for hunting and fishing. So not only do hunters and fishermen have to pay for our sport, we are limited by seasons. How many people actually go mountain biking in December? Hunters get September through February, minus Sundays, for hunting on public land in North Carolina. That's less than six months total. The other six months are hunter free. Someone explain how that's unfair to the non-hunting users of public land in North Carlina.
I'm glad to see NC finally making a move in what I consider to be the right direction, so any place to start is better than never starting. They should take it further, though.
The public land use argument by non-hunters is weak. A large portion of the huntable public land in NC is lightly used for non-hunting purposes, and that portion that is used is used during hunting season and on hunting days. Adding a hunt-day to the week isn't going to make that much of an impact... especially considering that most hunting is only permitted for about three or four months out of the year.
"It's just an archaic law that needs to be repealed,” she said.
I seem to remember the last time a Democrat used this lines of reasoning, something about country folk and their religion and their guns.
It's a start
I hunt every sunday possible and god has never told me or offered up a sign to me that he has any issue against it. I'm sure he has better things to do than belittle someone trying to feed their family.
I am happy to have it. Now I can save some more vaction days for fishing in the summer instead of killing just about all of them during deer season. As for the public land there really ain't much of it available to hunting once you get out of the mountains. So whether or not they allow sunday hunting on public land is a moot point for me.
The reason for doing this was that the state is not reducing the deer herd as much as they would like to each season. I like the extended hunting opportunity but we need to find a way to make people shoot more does around this joint. You can take up to 4 bucks where I live. Since TV has conditioned people to believe your manhood(no offense to women hunters) will shrink if you aren't killing bucks that what people shoot. While gettin a buck is nice it doesn't do crap for population management. My thought is if you reduce the number of bucks that can be taken more people will take does in order to fill the freezer. Anyhow I thats just the beginning of my two cents and I'll stop before I get into an uncontrollable ramble.
I think opening sunday hunting is a good idea. It's not many sundays out of the year. If the hunter doesn't want to go out because of church then it's up to them. They can choose not to go.
Firearms are much louder than bows and other archery products. So it makes sense that firearms are not allowed because they are way too loud and would disturb nature way too much. I dont see why bows should not be allowed. Sound wise, they do not disturb anything...
I'm all for it. Up here they only allow target shooting on state recognized ranges between 9AM and 6PM in most places, some can start at 8AM, and some are limited from 12 Noon to 5 PM.
Maybe if they pass the law their permitting it, other states without it will reconsider.
I like to spend my Sundays in the outdoors. One can go to the early service or Sunday evening worship and still get in a few hours. Man made the church building for God, but God made the outdoors for man. I know more than one Alabama hunter who takes the good book to the shooting house during deer season, and I don't just mean on Sundays either. You can get them in Mossy Oak, you know? Who among us has never prayed a buck would take just one . . . more . . . step?
Why not hunt allow hunting on sunday?? I dont understand the argument against it.
Allow hunting on Sunday. A lot of guys get tied up spending quality time with their kids and family on Saturday (like athletics, school functions, etc.) instead of hunting. IMO if a state is only going to allow hunting on Saturday, then they shouldn't allow the bikers, hikers, bird watchers, horse riders, etc. in the woods on that day, since they all have Sunday to themselves. Of course, better yet, let people do whatever they want on whatever day they can. One size never fits all and isn't necessary.
You're only disrespecting the people in church if you shoot the church. Us hunters try to avoid things like that...
And I don't know about you guys, but I feel a heck of a lot closer to God (or The Great White Buffalo/Spirit, or whatever Ted Nugent is on a level with) out in the woods, enjoying and employing The Gifts, than I ever did or will in a church.
I don't see objections from parishoners who attend church on Sunday other than the fact that they may be a little jealous that Billy-Bob is going hunting and they are not.
I have talked to many of my peers about this issue because I live in NC and I would love to see Sunday hunting allowed. Unfortunately I was surprised that many of my peers did not support Sunday hunting because many of them hold to the traditional myth that the game needs a days rest from hunters. This myth is not (to the best of my knowledge) supported by most wildlife biologists however its the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
There are many hunters who cannot take time off during hunting season and the weekend is their only time to hunt. So for these people, it is Saturday only. Sunday would at least give them two days afield. I personally feel that this issue isn't over till the fat lady sings, and I haven't heard any singing yet.
I've heard the "deer need a day of rest" statement from others too (although not ever another hunter). My reply is that deer get a rest from hunters every day--- at night. Deer are very comfortable being nocturnal.
I can understand what the hikers and bikers etc. are all talking about and I can see their concern, but what about us too?
I live in WI so this law doesnt effect me(thank goodness!) but if it did, I would have to argue the facts that biking and hiking, people running or walking through the woods on trials or whatever, doesnt help the hunter either. Its not like we like to be sitting for 3 hours and at prime time see a group of loud mouthed hikers either!
But all in the same, public is public. We all take chances when dealing with public lands, all of us.
I thought we were a Nation that prided itself regarding our creed of seperation of Church and State? I am all for getting rid of the "Blue" laws as they are called in my State of Connecticut.
I do support the allowance of bow hunting on Sunday, my concerns are for the States such as mine where land is limited and the close proximities between hunters and non hunters are cramped, specially on public lands when it comes to firearm seasons.
So a gradual approach needs to be taken in this reagard, shotgun season in my State opens in Mid December where usually the only ones in the woods are hunters such as myself. I believe a cautious approach needs to be taken but we need to grow out of the 16th century, if there are to be continued restrictions let it be the will of the people and not the will of the Church.
Most people work Monday- Friday. If we want our sport to grow (or at least not decline) it makes sense to make hunting access easier. This year in SE PA it rained 3 out of the first 4 Saturdays of small game. At very least we should have the option to bow hunt on our own land!
i was raised in the church by a Nazarene pastor that would sneak me out of the house for a 2 or 3 hour hunt on the Sabbath, Dad says some men go to the church and talk about hunting, and some go hunting and feel God. Sunday hunting is not disrespectful to anyone. Most of us cant go hunting more than what little time we get on the weekend. im stationed in NC and i can hunt on base on sunday so i dont see how it is any different than the guy on the other side of the fence. and yes i still go to church, and i still sneak out and go fishing or hunting before.
I don't see why it matters - if you don't want to hunt on Sunday, don't hunt. If you do want to hunt on Sunday, hunt. How hard of a decision is that, and why is it necessary for a law that makes it for you?
The biggest argument has been from non-hunting "nature lovers" who regularly bend the ears of our legislators. I recently wrote my congressmen to support lifting a ban on Sunday hunting (I live in NC). They told me that the overwhelming opinion is to keep the ban due to safety reasons. I was astonished when a local radio program discussed this topic, and most of the callers were in favor of the ban. The radio host was not; especially not for banning bow hunting on pub. or private land. It was amazing how many so called "hunters" were calling to support the hunting ban. All I know is this, most hunting related injuries occur among hunters, not hunters and birdwatchers and bike riders. NY state, a typical liberal state allows Sunday hunting, and it has gone very well. My friend who is a federal wildlife biologist at Ft. Bragg said there is no biological reason for the ban; just tradition.
Hunt every day during the season if you can, right? Last time I checked I was under no Constitutional proclamation to not do something on Sunday just because of someone else's religion. Ain't it the opposite?
is the sound of an arrow going towards its target to loud that it disturbs those in church?
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Sunday hunting is outstanding.
Sunday hunting does not infringe upon those hunters who wish to remember the Sabath. However, no Sunday hunting infringes upon those who seek an extra day afield. Seems pretty clear cut to me.
My major issue here is with the non-hunting users of public land. There is no bicycle, backpacking, day-hiking, camping, or any other outdoor use license save for hunting and fishing. So not only do hunters and fishermen have to pay for our sport, we are limited by seasons. How many people actually go mountain biking in December? Hunters get September through February, minus Sundays, for hunting on public land in North Carolina. That's less than six months total. The other six months are hunter free. Someone explain how that's unfair to the non-hunting users of public land in North Carlina.
Allow hunting on Sunday. A lot of guys get tied up spending quality time with their kids and family on Saturday (like athletics, school functions, etc.) instead of hunting. IMO if a state is only going to allow hunting on Saturday, then they shouldn't allow the bikers, hikers, bird watchers, horse riders, etc. in the woods on that day, since they all have Sunday to themselves. Of course, better yet, let people do whatever they want on whatever day they can. One size never fits all and isn't necessary.
You're only disrespecting the people in church if you shoot the church. Us hunters try to avoid things like that...
And I don't know about you guys, but I feel a heck of a lot closer to God (or The Great White Buffalo/Spirit, or whatever Ted Nugent is on a level with) out in the woods, enjoying and employing The Gifts, than I ever did or will in a church.
I am happy to have it. Now I can save some more vaction days for fishing in the summer instead of killing just about all of them during deer season. As for the public land there really ain't much of it available to hunting once you get out of the mountains. So whether or not they allow sunday hunting on public land is a moot point for me.
The reason for doing this was that the state is not reducing the deer herd as much as they would like to each season. I like the extended hunting opportunity but we need to find a way to make people shoot more does around this joint. You can take up to 4 bucks where I live. Since TV has conditioned people to believe your manhood(no offense to women hunters) will shrink if you aren't killing bucks that what people shoot. While gettin a buck is nice it doesn't do crap for population management. My thought is if you reduce the number of bucks that can be taken more people will take does in order to fill the freezer. Anyhow I thats just the beginning of my two cents and I'll stop before I get into an uncontrollable ramble.
The biggest argument has been from non-hunting "nature lovers" who regularly bend the ears of our legislators. I recently wrote my congressmen to support lifting a ban on Sunday hunting (I live in NC). They told me that the overwhelming opinion is to keep the ban due to safety reasons. I was astonished when a local radio program discussed this topic, and most of the callers were in favor of the ban. The radio host was not; especially not for banning bow hunting on pub. or private land. It was amazing how many so called "hunters" were calling to support the hunting ban. All I know is this, most hunting related injuries occur among hunters, not hunters and birdwatchers and bike riders. NY state, a typical liberal state allows Sunday hunting, and it has gone very well. My friend who is a federal wildlife biologist at Ft. Bragg said there is no biological reason for the ban; just tradition.
You can go either way, but think of how many people that hunt that are not religioius. They could use that day that nobody is out.
Also, we have around 10 people in our hunting party and we usually can't get all the deer in one weekend, and we can't go during the week because we have jobs (i actually have school), so we need the Sunday. Maybe if we get our deer we can go home you might think, but we're kind of the land owners.
Nate
i live in NC and i have mixed feelings about this, over all i hope it goes through. until about 5 years ago you couldn't even shoot a gun on Sunday.
I'm glad to see NC finally making a move in what I consider to be the right direction, so any place to start is better than never starting. They should take it further, though.
The public land use argument by non-hunters is weak. A large portion of the huntable public land in NC is lightly used for non-hunting purposes, and that portion that is used is used during hunting season and on hunting days. Adding a hunt-day to the week isn't going to make that much of an impact... especially considering that most hunting is only permitted for about three or four months out of the year.
It's a start
I hunt every sunday possible and god has never told me or offered up a sign to me that he has any issue against it. I'm sure he has better things to do than belittle someone trying to feed their family.
I think opening sunday hunting is a good idea. It's not many sundays out of the year. If the hunter doesn't want to go out because of church then it's up to them. They can choose not to go.
I'm all for it. Up here they only allow target shooting on state recognized ranges between 9AM and 6PM in most places, some can start at 8AM, and some are limited from 12 Noon to 5 PM.
Maybe if they pass the law their permitting it, other states without it will reconsider.
I like to spend my Sundays in the outdoors. One can go to the early service or Sunday evening worship and still get in a few hours. Man made the church building for God, but God made the outdoors for man. I know more than one Alabama hunter who takes the good book to the shooting house during deer season, and I don't just mean on Sundays either. You can get them in Mossy Oak, you know? Who among us has never prayed a buck would take just one . . . more . . . step?
Why not hunt allow hunting on sunday?? I dont understand the argument against it.
I don't see objections from parishoners who attend church on Sunday other than the fact that they may be a little jealous that Billy-Bob is going hunting and they are not.
I have talked to many of my peers about this issue because I live in NC and I would love to see Sunday hunting allowed. Unfortunately I was surprised that many of my peers did not support Sunday hunting because many of them hold to the traditional myth that the game needs a days rest from hunters. This myth is not (to the best of my knowledge) supported by most wildlife biologists however its the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
There are many hunters who cannot take time off during hunting season and the weekend is their only time to hunt. So for these people, it is Saturday only. Sunday would at least give them two days afield. I personally feel that this issue isn't over till the fat lady sings, and I haven't heard any singing yet.
I've heard the "deer need a day of rest" statement from others too (although not ever another hunter). My reply is that deer get a rest from hunters every day--- at night. Deer are very comfortable being nocturnal.
I can understand what the hikers and bikers etc. are all talking about and I can see their concern, but what about us too?
I live in WI so this law doesnt effect me(thank goodness!) but if it did, I would have to argue the facts that biking and hiking, people running or walking through the woods on trials or whatever, doesnt help the hunter either. Its not like we like to be sitting for 3 hours and at prime time see a group of loud mouthed hikers either!
But all in the same, public is public. We all take chances when dealing with public lands, all of us.
I thought we were a Nation that prided itself regarding our creed of seperation of Church and State? I am all for getting rid of the "Blue" laws as they are called in my State of Connecticut.
I do support the allowance of bow hunting on Sunday, my concerns are for the States such as mine where land is limited and the close proximities between hunters and non hunters are cramped, specially on public lands when it comes to firearm seasons.
So a gradual approach needs to be taken in this reagard, shotgun season in my State opens in Mid December where usually the only ones in the woods are hunters such as myself. I believe a cautious approach needs to be taken but we need to grow out of the 16th century, if there are to be continued restrictions let it be the will of the people and not the will of the Church.
Most people work Monday- Friday. If we want our sport to grow (or at least not decline) it makes sense to make hunting access easier. This year in SE PA it rained 3 out of the first 4 Saturdays of small game. At very least we should have the option to bow hunt on our own land!
i was raised in the church by a Nazarene pastor that would sneak me out of the house for a 2 or 3 hour hunt on the Sabbath, Dad says some men go to the church and talk about hunting, and some go hunting and feel God. Sunday hunting is not disrespectful to anyone. Most of us cant go hunting more than what little time we get on the weekend. im stationed in NC and i can hunt on base on sunday so i dont see how it is any different than the guy on the other side of the fence. and yes i still go to church, and i still sneak out and go fishing or hunting before.
I don't see why it matters - if you don't want to hunt on Sunday, don't hunt. If you do want to hunt on Sunday, hunt. How hard of a decision is that, and why is it necessary for a law that makes it for you?
Hunt every day during the season if you can, right? Last time I checked I was under no Constitutional proclamation to not do something on Sunday just because of someone else's religion. Ain't it the opposite?
is the sound of an arrow going towards its target to loud that it disturbs those in church?
"It's just an archaic law that needs to be repealed,” she said.
I seem to remember the last time a Democrat used this lines of reasoning, something about country folk and their religion and their guns.
Firearms are much louder than bows and other archery products. So it makes sense that firearms are not allowed because they are way too loud and would disturb nature way too much. I dont see why bows should not be allowed. Sound wise, they do not disturb anything...
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