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April 14, 2009
Dead Deer Walking?
By Scott Bestul
Photos like the one above—which landed in my inbox the other day—always make me curious. Scratch that. They make me suspicious. I am instinctually skeptical of any web-based pic that has the adjective “amazing” found anywhere in the accompanying text. The Photoshop skills of some folks can turn the most mundane image into Better-than-Enquirer material.
Of course I do not discount the cougar as a deer predator. Nor do I doubt the capabilities of trail cameras, which I know capture some pretty rare critters doing amazing things (more on that topic later in the week). And I want to believe that someone, somewhere out there, just lucked into a once-in-a-lifetime shot and was happy to share it with the world.
But to capture a mountain lion lurking scant inches from the rear-end of an unaware deer? I want to believe it…but every time I convince myself this is legit, tiny little alarm bells start jingling in my head. So what are your thoughts? Am I being too danged cautious about this Nature documentary moment, or am I right to cry foul? Anxious to hear your responses!
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I don't believe this photo is photo shopped. But that being said, how is this deer so unaware that he has a mountain lion like 2 feet behind him? Also, at this close of a distance to each other, mountain lions give up on the stalking and just take down the prey with a burst of speed. In this photo it seems as if he is still stalking the prey two feet behind him. At any rate though, this is an amazing photo. You don't see photo's like this everyday.
This a similar photo though... Check it out. Its the second picture from the right.
http://www.cuddeback.com/POW/POW.html
i also believe this photo is real.
Great photo. Mr Bestul if you got to my page and look at my photos you will see another one that i was sent via mobile phone. Its not my pic and it aint a very good pic but you can still make it out.
I don't think this is a photoshopped photo. The flash on both animals and on the tree's is the same throughout the image. I know that there are people our there who can do incredible things with photoshop, but I'm not sure you could make both animals and all the tree's / shrubs look equally washed out by the flash. If it was photoshopped, I think there would be a subtle, yet noticeable difference between objects.
Real or not, this photo is pretty incredible! Assuming it's a real photo, this is exactly why I hunt and fish, to witness such an awe inspiring moment would be...awesome!
Looks pretty good to me! Like Taylor3535 says though, why is he still stalking so close?
What kind of world do we live in so that someone can't even send in a photo anymore without sceptics??
Nate
Mountain lions are very curious animals, and I'm not surprised that one might stalk to within such close range without pouncing, especially if it wasn't hungry and didn't need to eat. I know people who've been stalked at night by mountain lions, to within fifteen feet, and were not attacked, but people are not natural prey and deer are... Very cool pic if it's real. Maybe a cat biologist can weigh in.
Looks to me that the lion was about to pounce, to bad this isn't a sequence shot or video. But I have to agree with SBell, if this was photoshopped someone extremely anal must have done it. Most people who photoshop stuff are kind of sloppy and don't pay to much attention to details. Glad its not me walking in front of that lion.
The cougar is likely a trophy hunter who has made a pact with this deer not to kill him if he'll lead him to a trophy buck.
The Cat doesn't really look focused in on the deer. look at his eyes and head. Also the body angle. As much as i would like to believe it I'm I dont!
I'd say this is fake. This isn't how cougars hunt and kill. He would have lunged and pummeled this deer or broken its neck long before he got this close. There usual M.O. is stalk, get within a decent range, sprint, lunge, and deathpunch. They take their 2 front paws and literally knock their prey senseless, sometimes killing it with one blow.
On the other hand, cats are evil and playful, so he might just be toying with this deer before he makes in dinner.
I still would say it's fake, though.
It looks to me like a real photo. Like someone else said i can't understand why every time a real good shot gets taken it is always debated about photoshop. Awesome pic, really neat seeing mother nature in her glory.
My guess is fake. The shadow pattern around the cat is different from the rest of the photo.
Also, the cat isn't hardly looking at the deer.
I think the situational/behavioral evidence is more convincing than any sort of analysis of the way the picture looks. Cougars just don't do this.
The cat looks like it is about to lay down or is distracted and smelling something to his right. At this point I would think the cats head would be straight forward and wide eyed. But, we're stupid humans and this is a cat. So who knows?
I think this cat would be in flight , pouncing if this photo were real. But what do i know?
looks real to me but what do i know
Like many animals on the predator/prey list they may have been raised together and are just taking a late night stroll. I have seen it many times with other species.
I'm no expert, but it looks real enough to me. Who says the buck is the cat's target. The buck could be following a smaller doe/does and the cat may be looking @ them, ahead of the buck, for a possible dinner. Anythings possible, but all in all, I say 'real'. Cool too!
Not sure, hope it's real. that would be a real good picture if it is real.
just almost looks to perfect to be real
but, on the other hand i think this photo could be legit maybe if wind was a factor whisteling in those evergreen trees the cat may be able to sneak that close behind without being detected...if it is fake, whoever did it is good...
The cats ears would be laid back and he would be in more of a creep position (lower to the ground). This photo has been on the internet for years and had dozens of claims as to the original source. Definitely photo-shopped. Neat pic though.
I want the shot to be real, great moment to witness, but.. I am one of those that can do amazing things in Photoshop. My niece makes me look like a hack. I find a couple things concerning. Foremost, the time/date stamp is completely unreadable. My trail cams make this info very clear even when nothing else takes. The cats face is a blur and has a ghost to it. Plausible but.. Both back legs seem to be visible or is it another ghost ? There is a stick that barely blurs in to the body at the top of the hips. The entire cat is burred and fuzzed under magnification. My bet is it was added or the same camera took both shots and spliced together. Hard to say on a low resolution, cropped copy with no camera info that I could find embedded. The date does it for me, it is a fake.
Nice picture! To bad it's not real...
Looks to me like the deer is aready wonded ! Maybe from a earlier encounter with the cat . Who knows?
It looks real to me.
The mountain lions legs are in the crouched position, as if it's ready to leap/pounce on the deer.
The deer has his tail tucked,as if he is aware of the danger.
I would have liked to see the next series of pictures, had they been available!
Thanks Taylor3535,for sharing that link of excellent pictures!
my brother emailed me that picture last fall,he knows a guy from Minnisota that knows the guy that got that picture on his trail camera
if it is true,it looks like the lion might of been on the run right there,,but why did the camera not go off when the deer went by, but went off when the lion was in front going by,,maybe the camera was set to low for the deer to set it off,whats any body think about that
I am not sure if the camera took two different shots from the same place and then photo shopped into one pic.
It would expain alot. But good pic anyway.
Based on the picture the camera should/would have snapped atleast one more shot of this scene - where is that image - that will tell you if this ONE image was photoshopped or real. It would be one in a million to do such an awesome "fake job" on this one picture and one in a trillion to do it with two.......
I believe the picture is real. It is dead night, black out and deer can be walked up on at night in those conditions. I know, I was coming out of a tree stand one evening, as quiet as I could possibly move,on a dirt path, rubber bottom pacs, wool clothes,so as not to spook any game that may be heading to or from bedding area/feeding spot, keep pressure off for another day's hunt, etc. I walked up on a buck, could not and did see him, and when he snorted he could not have ben more than 5 (five) feet in front of me and went crashing through the ticket to my right. I stopped dead in my tracks, got out my red beame and notivced his last tracks were about 4 feeet from me, showing a sharp weight shift (to jump) and based on the tracks we had been heading the same diretion. Honestly, I do not know who was more startled, but I know who ran off first to get away.
I laughed when I saw this picture...not because it is fake..( I think it is Fake)but because it was sent to my phone the other day from a friend who knows this guy who took the picture in Altamont NY..no known mountain lions there, but local legend has it....funny how you cant make out the digital time/date stamp..that always happens!
I'm guessing he put a mule deer in it too? I'm highly skeptic of your claim. If anything, it proves this picture was taken on the east coast.
wasn't taken*
I worked at Jonas Bros. Taxidermy and we had a life size mount of a mountain lion attacking a mule deer, a pic was taken and turned in as a "real life" shot. It won a lot of monet before it was discovered as a fake, and this was before photo shop. As for this pic. it could happen, I'm not sure it's real, but still good pic.
that is a one in a thousand pic right there. wow you dont see that every day or git a pic or it. amazing
Regardless of real or not, it is an awesome photo. If it is fake, I congratulate the person who created it. If it is real, I am amazed. The only thing I have against it, is that at that close of a range, usually the mountain lion is attacking the deer. They do not usually stalk a deer that close.
Don;t know if fake or not, does not matter. What really matters is that Cougars as a rule kill 2 l/2 deer per week each year. Last year we was in northern Montana with my wife and a guide. Wife is a grest spotter of game and looks thru her Bincs constantly. We were approx 20 yds apart and she spotted 2 small does run by and about 20 ft behind her was a Cougar sneeking along on tip toes. Had I seen the Cougar I would have shot him. The Cougars, Wolves, and bears are killing much of the western game,( talk to the game comm. at Yellowstone) many as soon as the calves are dropped. We as hunters, need to address this problem anyway we can.I for one will take out either if a shootble shot. I spend too much $$$ to take my wife and book a l0 day Westrn hunt for the above to kill my game.I had a long talk with my guide and he informed me to take any of the Cougars, Wolves, and a Bear if it appeard was gonna charge me.The cost of a Rocky Mtn hunt has now become a rich mans hobby and many of us NR will be forced to hunt in our home state areas, With the economy in the dooms days, many of us who have gone for years to the Rockies, now find we cannot afford a 5-7K hunt. I do want to make one more hunt with my Son, hopefully in 2010, providing I get my 2008 hunt paid off by then. Was out a bit ago, saw 7 deer in one small field near the house, 3 bucks and remainde could not tell. We do have mny deer here but no Elk or Mulies or Lopes. But, have many great memories of the past 20 ys of the Rockies hunts and when I look on my Den wall, those memories return 10 fold. Good hunting to all. Shoot-um-straight and very often.PS; Check out the last edition of Petersens Hunting for more info on the killings of the game.
capture your moment in history with the enduring leagacy of art. www.lavinstudio.com
I'm going to call this fake. With 10 years of Photoshop experience under my belt I will point out a few things that prove fake. The outline of the mountain lion on his tail and back is black, which should be lit to the color of hit hide, because a flash doesn't show shadow unless projected on something. The second give a way is the 'blurry' effect above the entire lion, this is to blend him with his surrounds except it sticks out. The deer has no blur above it as well as nothing in the photo. I think the mythbusters can call this one 'BUSTED!'
Ross
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The Search Engine for Hunters is www.norop.com
What's wrong with all of you? These two are obviously just friends out for a nice walk at night.
I have to say though, comments like this one from "Gunslinger" make me wish they made laws against siblings having kids together:
"I for one will take out either if a shootble shot. I spend too much $$$ to take my wife and book a l0 day Westrn hunt for the above to kill my game."
Your game? Excuse me? The cougar is killing your game? I'm sorry, does the cougar go shopping at the food lion or walmart and steal your food. You bumbling idiot. Go get a sharp stick and walk around in those woods for a while - if you get a kill then I'll agree with you that the cougar, who has evolved over hundreds of years to be the killing machine it is, is killing your game...
Hopefully the next game trail picture I see it titled "Dead idiot walking" with a picture of you, with your pointed stick, and a cougar 2 feet behind you!
I didn't see any comments from anyone regarding the pungent odor of a cougar- to which I can attest.
IF this photo is real, the deer is not only deaf- he has cinnamon oiled swabs in his nostrils
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I don't believe this photo is photo shopped. But that being said, how is this deer so unaware that he has a mountain lion like 2 feet behind him? Also, at this close of a distance to each other, mountain lions give up on the stalking and just take down the prey with a burst of speed. In this photo it seems as if he is still stalking the prey two feet behind him. At any rate though, this is an amazing photo. You don't see photo's like this everyday.
This a similar photo though... Check it out. Its the second picture from the right.
http://www.cuddeback.com/POW/POW.html
I think this cat would be in flight , pouncing if this photo were real. But what do i know?
I worked at Jonas Bros. Taxidermy and we had a life size mount of a mountain lion attacking a mule deer, a pic was taken and turned in as a "real life" shot. It won a lot of monet before it was discovered as a fake, and this was before photo shop. As for this pic. it could happen, I'm not sure it's real, but still good pic.
i also believe this photo is real.
Great photo. Mr Bestul if you got to my page and look at my photos you will see another one that i was sent via mobile phone. Its not my pic and it aint a very good pic but you can still make it out.
I don't think this is a photoshopped photo. The flash on both animals and on the tree's is the same throughout the image. I know that there are people our there who can do incredible things with photoshop, but I'm not sure you could make both animals and all the tree's / shrubs look equally washed out by the flash. If it was photoshopped, I think there would be a subtle, yet noticeable difference between objects.
Real or not, this photo is pretty incredible! Assuming it's a real photo, this is exactly why I hunt and fish, to witness such an awe inspiring moment would be...awesome!
Looks pretty good to me! Like Taylor3535 says though, why is he still stalking so close?
What kind of world do we live in so that someone can't even send in a photo anymore without sceptics??
Nate
Mountain lions are very curious animals, and I'm not surprised that one might stalk to within such close range without pouncing, especially if it wasn't hungry and didn't need to eat. I know people who've been stalked at night by mountain lions, to within fifteen feet, and were not attacked, but people are not natural prey and deer are... Very cool pic if it's real. Maybe a cat biologist can weigh in.
Looks to me that the lion was about to pounce, to bad this isn't a sequence shot or video. But I have to agree with SBell, if this was photoshopped someone extremely anal must have done it. Most people who photoshop stuff are kind of sloppy and don't pay to much attention to details. Glad its not me walking in front of that lion.
The cougar is likely a trophy hunter who has made a pact with this deer not to kill him if he'll lead him to a trophy buck.
I'd say this is fake. This isn't how cougars hunt and kill. He would have lunged and pummeled this deer or broken its neck long before he got this close. There usual M.O. is stalk, get within a decent range, sprint, lunge, and deathpunch. They take their 2 front paws and literally knock their prey senseless, sometimes killing it with one blow.
On the other hand, cats are evil and playful, so he might just be toying with this deer before he makes in dinner.
I still would say it's fake, though.
It looks to me like a real photo. Like someone else said i can't understand why every time a real good shot gets taken it is always debated about photoshop. Awesome pic, really neat seeing mother nature in her glory.
My guess is fake. The shadow pattern around the cat is different from the rest of the photo.
Also, the cat isn't hardly looking at the deer.
I think the situational/behavioral evidence is more convincing than any sort of analysis of the way the picture looks. Cougars just don't do this.
The cat looks like it is about to lay down or is distracted and smelling something to his right. At this point I would think the cats head would be straight forward and wide eyed. But, we're stupid humans and this is a cat. So who knows?
looks real to me but what do i know
Like many animals on the predator/prey list they may have been raised together and are just taking a late night stroll. I have seen it many times with other species.
I'm no expert, but it looks real enough to me. Who says the buck is the cat's target. The buck could be following a smaller doe/does and the cat may be looking @ them, ahead of the buck, for a possible dinner. Anythings possible, but all in all, I say 'real'. Cool too!
Not sure, hope it's real. that would be a real good picture if it is real.
just almost looks to perfect to be real
but, on the other hand i think this photo could be legit maybe if wind was a factor whisteling in those evergreen trees the cat may be able to sneak that close behind without being detected...if it is fake, whoever did it is good...
The cats ears would be laid back and he would be in more of a creep position (lower to the ground). This photo has been on the internet for years and had dozens of claims as to the original source. Definitely photo-shopped. Neat pic though.
I want the shot to be real, great moment to witness, but.. I am one of those that can do amazing things in Photoshop. My niece makes me look like a hack. I find a couple things concerning. Foremost, the time/date stamp is completely unreadable. My trail cams make this info very clear even when nothing else takes. The cats face is a blur and has a ghost to it. Plausible but.. Both back legs seem to be visible or is it another ghost ? There is a stick that barely blurs in to the body at the top of the hips. The entire cat is burred and fuzzed under magnification. My bet is it was added or the same camera took both shots and spliced together. Hard to say on a low resolution, cropped copy with no camera info that I could find embedded. The date does it for me, it is a fake.
Nice picture! To bad it's not real...
Looks to me like the deer is aready wonded ! Maybe from a earlier encounter with the cat . Who knows?
It looks real to me.
The mountain lions legs are in the crouched position, as if it's ready to leap/pounce on the deer.
The deer has his tail tucked,as if he is aware of the danger.
I would have liked to see the next series of pictures, had they been available!
Thanks Taylor3535,for sharing that link of excellent pictures!
my brother emailed me that picture last fall,he knows a guy from Minnisota that knows the guy that got that picture on his trail camera
if it is true,it looks like the lion might of been on the run right there,,but why did the camera not go off when the deer went by, but went off when the lion was in front going by,,maybe the camera was set to low for the deer to set it off,whats any body think about that
I am not sure if the camera took two different shots from the same place and then photo shopped into one pic.
It would expain alot. But good pic anyway.
Based on the picture the camera should/would have snapped atleast one more shot of this scene - where is that image - that will tell you if this ONE image was photoshopped or real. It would be one in a million to do such an awesome "fake job" on this one picture and one in a trillion to do it with two.......
I believe the picture is real. It is dead night, black out and deer can be walked up on at night in those conditions. I know, I was coming out of a tree stand one evening, as quiet as I could possibly move,on a dirt path, rubber bottom pacs, wool clothes,so as not to spook any game that may be heading to or from bedding area/feeding spot, keep pressure off for another day's hunt, etc. I walked up on a buck, could not and did see him, and when he snorted he could not have ben more than 5 (five) feet in front of me and went crashing through the ticket to my right. I stopped dead in my tracks, got out my red beame and notivced his last tracks were about 4 feeet from me, showing a sharp weight shift (to jump) and based on the tracks we had been heading the same diretion. Honestly, I do not know who was more startled, but I know who ran off first to get away.
I laughed when I saw this picture...not because it is fake..( I think it is Fake)but because it was sent to my phone the other day from a friend who knows this guy who took the picture in Altamont NY..no known mountain lions there, but local legend has it....funny how you cant make out the digital time/date stamp..that always happens!
I'm guessing he put a mule deer in it too? I'm highly skeptic of your claim. If anything, it proves this picture was taken on the east coast.
wasn't taken*
that is a one in a thousand pic right there. wow you dont see that every day or git a pic or it. amazing
The Cat doesn't really look focused in on the deer. look at his eyes and head. Also the body angle. As much as i would like to believe it I'm I dont!
Regardless of real or not, it is an awesome photo. If it is fake, I congratulate the person who created it. If it is real, I am amazed. The only thing I have against it, is that at that close of a range, usually the mountain lion is attacking the deer. They do not usually stalk a deer that close.
Don;t know if fake or not, does not matter. What really matters is that Cougars as a rule kill 2 l/2 deer per week each year. Last year we was in northern Montana with my wife and a guide. Wife is a grest spotter of game and looks thru her Bincs constantly. We were approx 20 yds apart and she spotted 2 small does run by and about 20 ft behind her was a Cougar sneeking along on tip toes. Had I seen the Cougar I would have shot him. The Cougars, Wolves, and bears are killing much of the western game,( talk to the game comm. at Yellowstone) many as soon as the calves are dropped. We as hunters, need to address this problem anyway we can.I for one will take out either if a shootble shot. I spend too much $$$ to take my wife and book a l0 day Westrn hunt for the above to kill my game.I had a long talk with my guide and he informed me to take any of the Cougars, Wolves, and a Bear if it appeard was gonna charge me.The cost of a Rocky Mtn hunt has now become a rich mans hobby and many of us NR will be forced to hunt in our home state areas, With the economy in the dooms days, many of us who have gone for years to the Rockies, now find we cannot afford a 5-7K hunt. I do want to make one more hunt with my Son, hopefully in 2010, providing I get my 2008 hunt paid off by then. Was out a bit ago, saw 7 deer in one small field near the house, 3 bucks and remainde could not tell. We do have mny deer here but no Elk or Mulies or Lopes. But, have many great memories of the past 20 ys of the Rockies hunts and when I look on my Den wall, those memories return 10 fold. Good hunting to all. Shoot-um-straight and very often.PS; Check out the last edition of Petersens Hunting for more info on the killings of the game.
capture your moment in history with the enduring leagacy of art. www.lavinstudio.com
I'm going to call this fake. With 10 years of Photoshop experience under my belt I will point out a few things that prove fake. The outline of the mountain lion on his tail and back is black, which should be lit to the color of hit hide, because a flash doesn't show shadow unless projected on something. The second give a way is the 'blurry' effect above the entire lion, this is to blend him with his surrounds except it sticks out. The deer has no blur above it as well as nothing in the photo. I think the mythbusters can call this one 'BUSTED!'
Ross
-------
The Search Engine for Hunters is www.norop.com
What's wrong with all of you? These two are obviously just friends out for a nice walk at night.
I have to say though, comments like this one from "Gunslinger" make me wish they made laws against siblings having kids together:
"I for one will take out either if a shootble shot. I spend too much $$$ to take my wife and book a l0 day Westrn hunt for the above to kill my game."
Your game? Excuse me? The cougar is killing your game? I'm sorry, does the cougar go shopping at the food lion or walmart and steal your food. You bumbling idiot. Go get a sharp stick and walk around in those woods for a while - if you get a kill then I'll agree with you that the cougar, who has evolved over hundreds of years to be the killing machine it is, is killing your game...
Hopefully the next game trail picture I see it titled "Dead idiot walking" with a picture of you, with your pointed stick, and a cougar 2 feet behind you!
I didn't see any comments from anyone regarding the pungent odor of a cougar- to which I can attest.
IF this photo is real, the deer is not only deaf- he has cinnamon oiled swabs in his nostrils
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