The Turkey Roost
I've always seen people shoot Turkeys in the head and thought that was the way to do it. I am going on my first turkey hunt tomorrow and I am planning on shooting for the head, but I recently read that some hunters aim for the base of the neck. I want to hear from the "neck shooters" side of the argument, and why you guys shoot for the neck. What advantages does shooting for the neck offer?
It really depends on the range the bird is at how high up I aim. If its a little further out I'll shoot at the head. At 10-15 yards though I shoot at the neck just to try and put the head and neck both in my pattern. As long as you're using a shotgun there will be pellets in the head and neck, you might consider getting some turkey head targets and seeing how many pellets you have in this zone aiming at different points.
I am using a Remington 870 Super Mag with 3.5 inch Nitro Turkey's with 2 ounces of number 5. Going to be shooting them through a Remington factory Extra Full turkey choke.
Every gun is a little different even 1 870 to the next. It doesn't take 2 min to pattern your gun though.
I always aim for the middle of the neck, that way you get the most pellets in the neck or head. If you aim to high at the head you may miss completely.
I have always aimed for the neck in hopes of getting the neck and head with the pattern, I see I am not alone on this. I would def get out and pattern your 870 with the choke, if you haven't already
Shoot for the base of the neck. This is what I call the "Wattle Hold." This hold allows you to concentrate the effective part of the shot pattern for the most hits in the head and neck. I've used this hold for over 20 years and I have never had a gobbler complain!
I aim at the feather line on the neck -- about the same as Beekeeper's wattle hold. If I miss a little high, which is the most common aiming error, I'll still hit the head. If I'm on target, I get the head and the neck. Also, if you're using a shotgun with a plain bead, holding on the head completely obstructs your view of the bird.
Base of the neck is my aim also. I did, however, find out that if you hit a little low you might be in for a short chase. :(
Phil's advice is right on I aim for the featherline also. Many guns naturally tend to shoot a little high. If you raise your head on the stock and aim at the head you will miss high. Aim at the neck and you will still hit the head. Here's another tip Just before you shoot give a cluck with a diaphram call. The gobbler will raise his head extending the neck and giving you a better target to shoot at.
Sounds like Del knows what he's talking about. I like to do the same because it gives you the upper hand knowing that he'll probably raise his head looking for you.If you don't like a diaphragm but you know you got him and can't get his head up, sometimes just a quick whistle will get his attention.
Aim for the center of the neck and then if you shoot to high you will hit the head. But if shoot to low you will hit the base of the neck.
Learn exactly where your gun shoots and how it patterns, and get deadly good with it. Aim right at his eyeball. If you ever miss, you aren't calling them in close enough.
I agree w/ most of you. It does depend on your sight/gun combo. My gun has fiber optic sights, and I line up the 3 dots w/ the head and a bit of the neck above them. I use a loud PUT PUT right before I shoot, or my kid's shoot because I can do it easily w/ or w/out a call n my mouth.
I always shoot at where the neck meets the body because when shoot the turkey and kill it the shot hits the spine and makes a dead kill. If you shoot a turkey target and you aim where the neck touches the body you will see where one or more shots hit the spine and if you hit the spine it kills the turkey clean!
shoot for the base of the neck. if you're aiming for the head, the turkey might move right before you shoot, and you'll miss. the base of the neck won't move unless the turkey's legs move.
I have a fantastic website that I was just given today that shows turkey anatomy and where to shoot on the turkey. It's a great site!
http://www.elitearchery.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12531
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I forgot to say the above site is for Bow hunting turkey only!! :-)
i shoot for the neck because of two reasons
if u shoot low u will get the vitals of the neck and the chest wich will kill a turkey cleanly
if u shoot high u will hit all head
and if u aim top of head and shoot high you will miss
hope this helps
It depends on how close the bird is to me. If it is within 20 yds, base of the neck, right where the feathers start. Beyond 20 is the head for me.
Most of the birds Ive taken, I aim at the base of the neck. The other couple were flying and I aimed at the head.
It really depends on the distance and angle and all that, i would rather just just below the head because I have shot low before and paid for it, I shot the beard off, only about 2 inches were left
I suggest aiming for the middle above the legs (with a bow; at the wings.) This will pin his wings down so he can't fly. With a shotgun, aim for the middle of the neck. And this will blow his head "clean off."
I have two Winchester 1300 in 12 guage. A 26 inch barreled in full choke for fall and one in 18 inch barrel in extra full for spring. Either way I put the bead about the "chin" or base of head on neck. This usually puts the pattern on all of the head and neck, not hitting the breast at all and usually not requiring a second shot unless the birds 35 -40 plus yards away.
I'm with beekeeper/Del(MASTERS of turkey)
If youaim at the "feather line/lower neck" you'll be fine.
That's the way I was taught by Grand-dad, who DID'NT hunt deer, because "anybody can kill a deer".
Well it all depends on how far you are. If you are close letas say 15 yrd your pattern dosent have time to fully deploy so I would aim at more at the base of the neck and try to not hit the meat. If im 25 to 45 yrds I tryi to aim for the middle of the neck or even the head if its more on the 25 yrd range.
With a red dot scope if you know your on then I aim at the head, but with sights or rail i go for the neck just behind the beak.
the only problem with shooting at the base of the kneck is that your probably going to ruin some meat in the breast, which is usually the best part.
Biting down on a copper plated pellet is exactly why I've adopted the "aim high" philosophy. I figure you have a pattern, not a single projectile. You'll send some of the pattern over him, but it will still hit on and below the head. Haven't missed yet, no runners either. Just as dead as when I used the proper waddle hold, but now with no dentists involved.
It is to late to weigh on this, but that has never stopped me before- I take a different approach than most do- I use a REmington 11-87 with a low-power scope, loaded with 3" shells, one and seven-eights of # 4 lead. When I have a stationary tom, which has been all 7 of my birds to date, I hold the crosshairs on the tom's head and then, as I began to squeeze the trigger, raise it up a tiny bit higher. Part of my success with this tactic has been luck, admittedly...but I have never missed a bird, nor have I ever had to chase a bird...and 6 of those, when plucked for the table, lacked a single BB hole in the breast.
OK, OK, some day I will probably miss one...
it all depends aiming for the neck or the head are both good placement on the bird because if you aim at the neck i have found that even it i flinch i will probably hit the head so its all good but also when i am a bit further away when i aim for the neck i have had better success rate were at bigger distances aiming at the head i have missed more often so for me it all depends on the range if the bird is closer i will aim for the head if its a bit further off i am aiming for the neck
I have to go with the low to middle of the neck like most everybody else. Your pretty much guaranteed a dead bird!
with a scope i aim for the head with iron sights i aim about 3 in below the head
Deer Fever!! What ever!! Hearing a turkey fly down and gobble with-in 50 yds. Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Know your gun. Know your pattern.
I missed a shot 2 yrs ago because I had to wait for the three toms to spread out. Missed from 15 ft because the load did not spread. Took a tom at 50 yrds that ran the wrong way.(the other 2 ran to the woods).
Good Luck!!
Forget to say, aim between the top of the body and the top of the head.
Base of the neck is the way to go for any pattern - you're pattern with a full choke will encircle the neck and head, but if you focus on the head half or more of you're pattern (depending on how close of course) will pass clean over the birds head. Quick kill shot with base of the neck.
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Shoot for the base of the neck. This is what I call the "Wattle Hold." This hold allows you to concentrate the effective part of the shot pattern for the most hits in the head and neck. I've used this hold for over 20 years and I have never had a gobbler complain!
I always aim for the middle of the neck, that way you get the most pellets in the neck or head. If you aim to high at the head you may miss completely.
It really depends on the range the bird is at how high up I aim. If its a little further out I'll shoot at the head. At 10-15 yards though I shoot at the neck just to try and put the head and neck both in my pattern. As long as you're using a shotgun there will be pellets in the head and neck, you might consider getting some turkey head targets and seeing how many pellets you have in this zone aiming at different points.
I am using a Remington 870 Super Mag with 3.5 inch Nitro Turkey's with 2 ounces of number 5. Going to be shooting them through a Remington factory Extra Full turkey choke.
Every gun is a little different even 1 870 to the next. It doesn't take 2 min to pattern your gun though.
Base of the neck is my aim also. I did, however, find out that if you hit a little low you might be in for a short chase. :(
Phil's advice is right on I aim for the featherline also. Many guns naturally tend to shoot a little high. If you raise your head on the stock and aim at the head you will miss high. Aim at the neck and you will still hit the head. Here's another tip Just before you shoot give a cluck with a diaphram call. The gobbler will raise his head extending the neck and giving you a better target to shoot at.
Sounds like Del knows what he's talking about. I like to do the same because it gives you the upper hand knowing that he'll probably raise his head looking for you.If you don't like a diaphragm but you know you got him and can't get his head up, sometimes just a quick whistle will get his attention.
I always shoot at where the neck meets the body because when shoot the turkey and kill it the shot hits the spine and makes a dead kill. If you shoot a turkey target and you aim where the neck touches the body you will see where one or more shots hit the spine and if you hit the spine it kills the turkey clean!
shoot for the base of the neck. if you're aiming for the head, the turkey might move right before you shoot, and you'll miss. the base of the neck won't move unless the turkey's legs move.
I suggest aiming for the middle above the legs (with a bow; at the wings.) This will pin his wings down so he can't fly. With a shotgun, aim for the middle of the neck. And this will blow his head "clean off."
I have two Winchester 1300 in 12 guage. A 26 inch barreled in full choke for fall and one in 18 inch barrel in extra full for spring. Either way I put the bead about the "chin" or base of head on neck. This usually puts the pattern on all of the head and neck, not hitting the breast at all and usually not requiring a second shot unless the birds 35 -40 plus yards away.
I'm with beekeeper/Del(MASTERS of turkey)
If youaim at the "feather line/lower neck" you'll be fine.
That's the way I was taught by Grand-dad, who DID'NT hunt deer, because "anybody can kill a deer".
Well it all depends on how far you are. If you are close letas say 15 yrd your pattern dosent have time to fully deploy so I would aim at more at the base of the neck and try to not hit the meat. If im 25 to 45 yrds I tryi to aim for the middle of the neck or even the head if its more on the 25 yrd range.
the only problem with shooting at the base of the kneck is that your probably going to ruin some meat in the breast, which is usually the best part.
It is to late to weigh on this, but that has never stopped me before- I take a different approach than most do- I use a REmington 11-87 with a low-power scope, loaded with 3" shells, one and seven-eights of # 4 lead. When I have a stationary tom, which has been all 7 of my birds to date, I hold the crosshairs on the tom's head and then, as I began to squeeze the trigger, raise it up a tiny bit higher. Part of my success with this tactic has been luck, admittedly...but I have never missed a bird, nor have I ever had to chase a bird...and 6 of those, when plucked for the table, lacked a single BB hole in the breast.
OK, OK, some day I will probably miss one...
it all depends aiming for the neck or the head are both good placement on the bird because if you aim at the neck i have found that even it i flinch i will probably hit the head so its all good but also when i am a bit further away when i aim for the neck i have had better success rate were at bigger distances aiming at the head i have missed more often so for me it all depends on the range if the bird is closer i will aim for the head if its a bit further off i am aiming for the neck
Deer Fever!! What ever!! Hearing a turkey fly down and gobble with-in 50 yds. Priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Know your gun. Know your pattern.
I missed a shot 2 yrs ago because I had to wait for the three toms to spread out. Missed from 15 ft because the load did not spread. Took a tom at 50 yrds that ran the wrong way.(the other 2 ran to the woods).
Good Luck!!
I have always aimed for the neck in hopes of getting the neck and head with the pattern, I see I am not alone on this. I would def get out and pattern your 870 with the choke, if you haven't already
I aim at the feather line on the neck -- about the same as Beekeeper's wattle hold. If I miss a little high, which is the most common aiming error, I'll still hit the head. If I'm on target, I get the head and the neck. Also, if you're using a shotgun with a plain bead, holding on the head completely obstructs your view of the bird.
Aim for the center of the neck and then if you shoot to high you will hit the head. But if shoot to low you will hit the base of the neck.
I agree w/ most of you. It does depend on your sight/gun combo. My gun has fiber optic sights, and I line up the 3 dots w/ the head and a bit of the neck above them. I use a loud PUT PUT right before I shoot, or my kid's shoot because I can do it easily w/ or w/out a call n my mouth.
I have a fantastic website that I was just given today that shows turkey anatomy and where to shoot on the turkey. It's a great site!
http://www.elitearchery.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12531
Must scroll down
I forgot to say the above site is for Bow hunting turkey only!! :-)
i shoot for the neck because of two reasons
if u shoot low u will get the vitals of the neck and the chest wich will kill a turkey cleanly
if u shoot high u will hit all head
and if u aim top of head and shoot high you will miss
hope this helps
It depends on how close the bird is to me. If it is within 20 yds, base of the neck, right where the feathers start. Beyond 20 is the head for me.
Most of the birds Ive taken, I aim at the base of the neck. The other couple were flying and I aimed at the head.
It really depends on the distance and angle and all that, i would rather just just below the head because I have shot low before and paid for it, I shot the beard off, only about 2 inches were left
With a red dot scope if you know your on then I aim at the head, but with sights or rail i go for the neck just behind the beak.
Biting down on a copper plated pellet is exactly why I've adopted the "aim high" philosophy. I figure you have a pattern, not a single projectile. You'll send some of the pattern over him, but it will still hit on and below the head. Haven't missed yet, no runners either. Just as dead as when I used the proper waddle hold, but now with no dentists involved.
I have to go with the low to middle of the neck like most everybody else. Your pretty much guaranteed a dead bird!
Forget to say, aim between the top of the body and the top of the head.
Base of the neck is the way to go for any pattern - you're pattern with a full choke will encircle the neck and head, but if you focus on the head half or more of you're pattern (depending on how close of course) will pass clean over the birds head. Quick kill shot with base of the neck.
Learn exactly where your gun shoots and how it patterns, and get deadly good with it. Aim right at his eyeball. If you ever miss, you aren't calling them in close enough.
with a scope i aim for the head with iron sights i aim about 3 in below the head
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