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Deer Hunting

lead lead LEAD!

Uploaded on April 14, 2009

I think it is preposterous that we are not allowed to use lead shot when waterfowl hunting, i personally use it every chance I get because it kills more effectively and at longer ranges. With all the speculation towards non-lead dove seasons and restrictions banning lead rifle bullets, i'm ready to start a militia of lead touting activists whho's with me!

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from jbird wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Do a little research on lead. It's environmentally HORRIBLE, especially if thousands of pellets of it get into water. As far as rifle bullets, I think it's overreacting to ban lead, because not that much lead ends up in the environment due to rifle shots. Good luck with your militia.

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

jbird you should do the research our own studies have shown little to no efect on the lead that the birds of prey got into there system after eating waterfowl. it is just another way for them to make more money. I do agree having to shoot non lead rifle bullets is taking it to far.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Who do you work for, idduckhntr. I have mixed feelings, myself about waterfowl hunting with lead. Eventually, that lead with leach into the water, causing the concentrations to go up. It can then get into fish, and when you eat the fish, into you. I can see the logic behind lead bans for waterfowl, but not for anything else.

What studies are you talking about. Sounds interesting.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

i would imagine that acid rain, exhaust fumes, littering etc. have more damaging effects on our environment/water than lead pellets.

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from OneShotHarvest wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

idduckhntr, I'd be very interested in the studies you're talking about. Every study I've seen that looks specifically at spent lead ammo and its effect on wildlife shows health implications. In fact, in my searches I've found over 120 species that have been shown to ingest and suffer the consequences of ingesting, lead ammunition in the form of fragmented rifle bullets and shotgun shot. I'm a hunter in California and was forced to use non-lead for the majority of hunting. I was pretty upset with the legislation at first, but after looking into it, for hunting practices it seems logical. I've also had great success (on paper and game) with the Barnes TSX (especially the tipped TSX) and the Nosler E-tip. I just started testing the new Hornady GMX bullets, but don't have any on game experience yet. Whether I'm hunting pigs in California or Whitetail in Wisconsin and Iowa, I'll always use these new designs.

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Ok in the mid to late 80s they did a study on the efect on birds of prey and them eating waterfowl in the US and Canada and found no or little affect. Do I mind using steel shot on waterfowl,no and as far as using non lead rifle bullets well thats taking it to far, you might as well move out of your house because of the paint. The problem has already been solved by the F&W service lead does not cripple more ducks than steel, but the other preoblem is that alot of people dont take the time to pattern there guns and practice with it like they should. I dont want to get into a argument with anybody but I grew up shootin lead. Like I said the way steel has come up its not bad and cheaper to shoot at ducks to boot.

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from chuckles wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

I quit using lead because of my son. The MN DNR did a study that showed lead from bullets does get into the meat at distances I would not have believed without the study. Children are particularly vulnerable to lead and for me, no risk is better than any risk.
The study is available at www.dnr.state.mn.us/hunting/lead/index.html ro anyone who is interested.
Otherwise, lead has been shown to be toxic and I my opinion the less toxins we put into the environment that nurtures us the better. I therefore respectfully decline to join the militia.

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from sjc wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

How many shotgun shells worth of lead would it take to actually increase the levels in a lake? I'm know expert, but I imagine it's more than is shot in a season. Check out dovehunting101.com, my new blog for dove hunters, shotgunners and dog lovers. Leave your comments or lease reviews.

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from stilloutoffocus wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

i dont know about around you but here where i hunt i hear hunters unloading full magazines, often several hunters per blind, several blinds per pit or field several times a day. estimating 3 shots per gun 3 hunters per blind and 3 blinds per pit. thats a conservative estimate of 27 shots fired everytime a few ducks fly over. consider that however many times a day multiply by the number of weekend days in the season... well you see it can add up even in a year. but its not just duck and dove hunters either. ther is alot of fishing (and i mean ALOT) going on in these same pits. how many lead sinkers and jigs get dropped or tossed into a 5 acre lake over a summer. now take that PLUS area polution and over the years, not only current and future years but also the hundred plus years till now and,yeah you probably get toxic fish. is it really not worth the cost of steel or tungsten or bismuth or whatever space metal they come up with to make your grandkid's hunting and fishing and life experience safer and better?

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from wiseguy wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

chuckles it might be a risk but and it is good to care for your children but amazingly MN hasn't banned lead in bullets even when they conducted the study and the researchers said they haven't seen any side affect from it also everyone think how long you have been ingesting these lead fragments they are so small you can't even feel them when you chew has it affected you no will a dove be able to find one of the lead fragment that are showing up in deer no they are to small when they come from bullets and i am not talking about a big chunk of lead bullet either you can't even see the fragment. banning lead bullets in guns i think is useless but i respect you for switching over even though i don't see any big harm in me ingesting it but if you see its harmful in such small amounts i am fine with that it your to choose

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from sjc wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

I too respect your point about the children, I just wish they could make a steel shot as effective in the killing department as lead is.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

It's not the lead in the water dumbasses. It's the death of birds that ingest lead shot into their digestive systems during feeding in the fields and shallow waters. Kills many swans and geese every year. Wake up and read the data. Just 'cause you think so doesnt make it so!

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from JohnR wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter is correct. I will go farther and state that it is also in the water. In estuarine waters where I live, it was discovered that lead shot washed down into the sediments where the brackish water corroded it. the lead was picked up by Nematodes and other critters that lived in the bottom sediment. Larger predators such as Blue Crabs preyed on the bottom dwellers and the lead moved up the food chain.
I still however am not convinced about lead from rifle bullets affecting upland fauna!

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from Ed J wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

Shoot a deer in the arse with varmint bullets and you will have lead in the meat.

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from jbird wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Do a little research on lead. It's environmentally HORRIBLE, especially if thousands of pellets of it get into water. As far as rifle bullets, I think it's overreacting to ban lead, because not that much lead ends up in the environment due to rifle shots. Good luck with your militia.

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from OneShotHarvest wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

idduckhntr, I'd be very interested in the studies you're talking about. Every study I've seen that looks specifically at spent lead ammo and its effect on wildlife shows health implications. In fact, in my searches I've found over 120 species that have been shown to ingest and suffer the consequences of ingesting, lead ammunition in the form of fragmented rifle bullets and shotgun shot. I'm a hunter in California and was forced to use non-lead for the majority of hunting. I was pretty upset with the legislation at first, but after looking into it, for hunting practices it seems logical. I've also had great success (on paper and game) with the Barnes TSX (especially the tipped TSX) and the Nosler E-tip. I just started testing the new Hornady GMX bullets, but don't have any on game experience yet. Whether I'm hunting pigs in California or Whitetail in Wisconsin and Iowa, I'll always use these new designs.

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from chuckles wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

I quit using lead because of my son. The MN DNR did a study that showed lead from bullets does get into the meat at distances I would not have believed without the study. Children are particularly vulnerable to lead and for me, no risk is better than any risk.
The study is available at www.dnr.state.mn.us/hunting/lead/index.html ro anyone who is interested.
Otherwise, lead has been shown to be toxic and I my opinion the less toxins we put into the environment that nurtures us the better. I therefore respectfully decline to join the militia.

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from JohnR wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

WA Mtnhunter is correct. I will go farther and state that it is also in the water. In estuarine waters where I live, it was discovered that lead shot washed down into the sediments where the brackish water corroded it. the lead was picked up by Nematodes and other critters that lived in the bottom sediment. Larger predators such as Blue Crabs preyed on the bottom dwellers and the lead moved up the food chain.
I still however am not convinced about lead from rifle bullets affecting upland fauna!

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

jbird you should do the research our own studies have shown little to no efect on the lead that the birds of prey got into there system after eating waterfowl. it is just another way for them to make more money. I do agree having to shoot non lead rifle bullets is taking it to far.

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from jlfreeborn wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Who do you work for, idduckhntr. I have mixed feelings, myself about waterfowl hunting with lead. Eventually, that lead with leach into the water, causing the concentrations to go up. It can then get into fish, and when you eat the fish, into you. I can see the logic behind lead bans for waterfowl, but not for anything else.

What studies are you talking about. Sounds interesting.

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from NolanOsborne wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

i would imagine that acid rain, exhaust fumes, littering etc. have more damaging effects on our environment/water than lead pellets.

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

Ok in the mid to late 80s they did a study on the efect on birds of prey and them eating waterfowl in the US and Canada and found no or little affect. Do I mind using steel shot on waterfowl,no and as far as using non lead rifle bullets well thats taking it to far, you might as well move out of your house because of the paint. The problem has already been solved by the F&W service lead does not cripple more ducks than steel, but the other preoblem is that alot of people dont take the time to pattern there guns and practice with it like they should. I dont want to get into a argument with anybody but I grew up shootin lead. Like I said the way steel has come up its not bad and cheaper to shoot at ducks to boot.

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from sjc wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

How many shotgun shells worth of lead would it take to actually increase the levels in a lake? I'm know expert, but I imagine it's more than is shot in a season. Check out dovehunting101.com, my new blog for dove hunters, shotgunners and dog lovers. Leave your comments or lease reviews.

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from stilloutoffocus wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

i dont know about around you but here where i hunt i hear hunters unloading full magazines, often several hunters per blind, several blinds per pit or field several times a day. estimating 3 shots per gun 3 hunters per blind and 3 blinds per pit. thats a conservative estimate of 27 shots fired everytime a few ducks fly over. consider that however many times a day multiply by the number of weekend days in the season... well you see it can add up even in a year. but its not just duck and dove hunters either. ther is alot of fishing (and i mean ALOT) going on in these same pits. how many lead sinkers and jigs get dropped or tossed into a 5 acre lake over a summer. now take that PLUS area polution and over the years, not only current and future years but also the hundred plus years till now and,yeah you probably get toxic fish. is it really not worth the cost of steel or tungsten or bismuth or whatever space metal they come up with to make your grandkid's hunting and fishing and life experience safer and better?

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from wiseguy wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

chuckles it might be a risk but and it is good to care for your children but amazingly MN hasn't banned lead in bullets even when they conducted the study and the researchers said they haven't seen any side affect from it also everyone think how long you have been ingesting these lead fragments they are so small you can't even feel them when you chew has it affected you no will a dove be able to find one of the lead fragment that are showing up in deer no they are to small when they come from bullets and i am not talking about a big chunk of lead bullet either you can't even see the fragment. banning lead bullets in guns i think is useless but i respect you for switching over even though i don't see any big harm in me ingesting it but if you see its harmful in such small amounts i am fine with that it your to choose

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from sjc wrote 3 years 5 weeks ago

I too respect your point about the children, I just wish they could make a steel shot as effective in the killing department as lead is.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

It's not the lead in the water dumbasses. It's the death of birds that ingest lead shot into their digestive systems during feeding in the fields and shallow waters. Kills many swans and geese every year. Wake up and read the data. Just 'cause you think so doesnt make it so!

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from Ed J wrote 3 years 4 weeks ago

Shoot a deer in the arse with varmint bullets and you will have lead in the meat.

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