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August 27, 2008

Petzal: The F-Team

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

In the September issue of American Rifleman, on page 40,  you’ll find a highly edifying bind-in card set entitled “Barack Obama’s Ten-Point Plan to ‘Change’ the Second Amendment.” Based on how he has voted in the past, both in the Illinois Legislature and in the Senate, and what he has said in public about gun control, it reads like this:

1) Ban use of firearms for home defense.
2) Pass Federal laws eliminating right to carry.
3) Ban the manufacture, sale, and possession of handguns.
4) Close down 90 percent of the gun shops in America.
5) Ban rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.
6) Increase federal taxes on guns and ammunition by 500 percent.
7) Restore voting rights for 5 million criminals including those who have been convicted of using a gun to commit a violent crime.
8) Expand the Clinton semi-auto ban to include millions more firearms.
9) Mandate a government-issued license to purchase a firearm.
10) Appoint judges to the U.S. Supreme Court and Federal judiciary who share his views on the Second Amendment.

If you’d like to check the documentation for all this, go to www.nraila.org/Obama.

As if this weren’t enough, Obama has selected Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware as his running mate. Biden does not get all the credit he deserves as an anti-gunner, but he ranks right up there with Senators Schumer, Clinton, Boxer, and Feinstein as one of the very worst. Both Obama and Biden are rated “F” by the NRA/ILA.

You may not care for John McCain’s memory lapses, or his wife’s seven homes, or the fact that he can’t work a computer (these are actually pluses as far as I’m concerned), but as far as gun control goes, I think this election is about as clear cut as it gets.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

Just heard about a very scary backroom deal made by Obama to get Hillary's support, and this is no joke, its too disturbing to be a joke. For Hillary's support of O'bama, he will name her to the Supreme Court! For Hillary thats better than being president because now she can truly be king which is what she wanted all along.At her age how many years would America suffer?

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Daniel Cooper,Please take a moment and list for me all the good things Obama has done 'cause I can't think of any. And how come we never see anyone in the news that claims to have known or worked with this empty suit. This guy had 143 days experience in the senate before he announced for Prez. In that time he voted present over 100 times. I guess yes or no was too hard for him.

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from Daniel Cooper wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Hey Petzl-I came across the NRA attack piece while shooting metal silhouettes last week--and my reaction was exactly the opposite. I was shocked that the NRA continues to publish characterizations of politicians like those in the magazine without any supporting facts. I went to the link in your article--and each of the "citations" stretches reality completely beyond recognition. I like your articles, I think you apply the basic rules of journalism to your gun writing, and you do not seem stupid--so do your due diligence before you endorse this kind of thing. Read the NRA piece critically please. For example, voting against Scalia and Thomas does not mean one is against the second amendment, but instead that the Constitution has something to do with protecting our freedoms. And failing to sign on to an NRA brief filed in Federal Court means only that Obama doesn't support the NRA--which not matter what NRA fundraisers say, is not the same thing as opposing gun ownership.Something else that is missing here is the Republican Party's attack on the environment. Hunters are some of the biggest environmentalists I know--and yet many support the most radical anti-environmental wing of the Republican Party. Your magazine has noted some of the more egregious selloffs by the Department of the Interior. McCain and particularly Palin represent a virulent brand of anti-conservationism. Yet you are buying (and selling) the false choice retailed by the NRA and the Republicans--that you must accept this smash and grab of our resources to keep your gun rights. This is crap. Obama will not, and in fact could not, take away our guns. But there is no question that 4 more years of Republicans will wreak havoc on hunting and fishing.

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from Bella wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Well Dr. Ralph, It wasn't the left that brought this country to these straights, It was the Right. I'm not afraid of the left, I've never had any reason to be afraid of the Left, even when I was in uniform in Korea with "communists"across the DMZ. It's the Right that scares me, as it has since I was a kid forced to sit through John Birch Society propaganda after enduring another Mormon "sacrament" meeting. The Right is founded on hate and fear and authoritarianism and those decidedly right wing neocons have showed us how much they respect the constitution by all those signing statements issued by George W when the laws as written and passed don't suit him. Do you like having government that abuses your trust? Do you like having government that holds more persons in incarceration than any other country on earth? How many people are you willing to pay to keep imprisoned? More than 400 persons were arrested on "suspicion" at the RNC convention. One nationally known news commentator(Amy Goodman) was arrested just for asking to speak to a commander and charged with "interfereing with a peace officer". She had credentials to be there, even on the convention floor, and since when is it a crime to ask an officer what his name and badge number is much less"who is your commander". This is gestapo tactics, Imagine yourself in this position and how will you keep your guns if Homeland security decides to trump up charges against you? They'll kick your door in as soon as mine...This stuff is happening now, and as far as I know Barak Obama isn't in office yet, so who is ordering this trashing of all our American principles, (It ain't Hillary).

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks for the posts Clay! They almost make me cry when I realize what ideals this country was founded upon and what it has become... the saddest part is hundreds of thousands of men have died to protect these freedoms and a simple stroke of a pen by some left wing A hole can erase it all.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

“The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.”-Andrew Fletcher (1655-1716), quoted by James Burgh (1714-1775), in "Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses," (London, 1774-1775)“There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.”-George WashingtonI truly believe that theByproduct of War isPEACE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Back in 94 I was at 29 Palms for a NRA sanctioned High Power Match and talking to a group of my Hero Marines. If they all didn’t say the same story I probably would have called it a rumor and what they said was chilling. President Clinton asked the top Marine General if he would support a door to door search for a nationwide firearm confiscation in the United States. In a nut shell he told Slick Willy to go pack sand!“America has many more guns than England, and a lower violent crime rate. Switzerland has many more guns than Germany, and a lower violent crime rate. England had much less crime in 1900, when the nation had no gun laws, than it does in 2000, when England has some of the most repressive gun laws in Europe. Gun prohibition leads to boldness by criminals, and passivity by the innocent - and therefore to many more violent crimes committed against the innocent.”-David B. Kopel, in an interview with Carlo Stagnaro for Zola Times 2000-Oct-23“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.”-Aristotle, "Politics"“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)“Facts must be distorted, relevant circumstances concealed, and a picture presented which by its crude coloring will persuade the ignorant people that their Government is blameless, their cause is righteous, and that the indisputable wickedness of the enemy is beyond question.A moment's reflection would tell any reasonable person that such obvious bias cannot possibly represent the truth. But the moment's reflection is not allowed; lies are circulated with great rapidity. The unthinking mass accept them and by their excitement sway the rest.The amount of rubbish and humbug that pass under the name of patriotism in wartime in all countries is sufficient to make decent people blush when they are subsequently disillusioned.”-Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime, 1928

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Mr. Smith: CORRECT! That was the reason why even my humble self, a foreigner, joined the NRA as a life member. If legal gun ownership is getting more and more restricted, perhaps even to the point where it's virtually outlawed, with the 2nd Amendment eventually declared invalid and/or interpreted differently (damn, how could it ever be interpreted other than what it clearly states?), then ALL law-abiding gun owners worldwide will have a HUGE problem.Former U.N. ambassador, Mr. John Bolton, said that the vast majority of governments of U.N. member states, many of them being either marxistic/communist or outright dictatorships, greatly fear legal gun ownership by civilians. Sadly, that also includes a number of rather solid democracies as well...To all gun owners who constantly search for and find excuses not to join the NRA, I can only say: shame on you. Remember, it's not about guns, it's about freedom and liberty.

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from Mr. Smith wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

To all those who fault the NRA I must state. YOU HAVE FIREARMS FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY!! THAT REASON IS THE NRA. LET ME REPEAT THAT YOU HAVE FIREARMS DUE TO THE VIGILANCE OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. THEY MAY BE A LITTLE OVER-THE-TOP AT TIMES, BUT THEY ARE THE ONLY THING STANDING BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS THEN YOUR A FOOL.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Hey Yooper!You crack me up, man.LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Amen, Milton!

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from Bella wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Right on Mike! Our nation and our freedom is based not on corporate malfeasance but on our Constitution and our bill of rights! When I wore the uniform and saluted the flag THAT was what I was serving and the antics of corrupt neocons leave me in a state of disgust. I am a hunter,a fisherwoman and a Field and Stream suscriber. I should not have to change my liberal principles to hunt or suscribe to a magazine. As a liberal who believes in the righ6t to keep and bear arms the NRA should be wooing me, so I can then influence Democrats in office rather than trying to get me to support men I have seen to be corrupt. All this puppykibble dissing Obama smells as rank as it gets to me. I want singlepayer health care because I am damn tired of the extortion we suffer under private HMOs set up to deny us choice in our own care. Obama has said he wasn't going to take away my legal registered guns or my Ltc AND he hasn't lied to me yet like those other people. I cannot understand why any American would support politicians who have proved as venial, nepotistic and faithless as George and his playmates have turned out to be. I also get tired of reactionaries masquerading as "conservatives" when so many of the policies promoted conserve nothing and only enrich a greedy few who care nothing for their fellow citizens. The last time I posted someone called it "spam" content (likely because I wrote something pithy). My points here are the same, if my language is more sedate. Unless we act this year to protect freedom by voting in men who will respect our Constitution our freedom will be lost to the corporate oligarchy, and that will be fascism. Vote for Obama, Not 4 more years of neocon conspiracy!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"I love my guns and want to keep them. But I love my country more."What is "my country" if it is not the Constitution? What is the Constitution if the Bill of Rights is not timeless and inalienable? And what is the Bill of Rights if a candidate feels license to pick and choose among which rights he will defend or offend?"My country" isn't worth a ham sandwich without the Bill of Rights, and the Bill of Rights isn't worth the same without the 2nd Amendment. Although I have voted democratic in every Presidential election since 1984, Sen. Obama will not have my support.

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from Milton Burton wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I notice that Brendan from Australia called part of our Bill of RIghts Garbage. I would like to take this opportunity to tell him to kiss my Texas ass.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

In an effort to present a fair and balanced look at the economy, I refer to the following from the Associated Press:This Labor Day finds workers in worse shape than they've been in years, according to a scorecard released Monday by Rutgers University.In its first national labor scorecard, the Rutgers School of Management and Labor Relations said more than 10 percent of Americans are unemployed, discouraged from seeking work or underemployed. That is a nearly 25-percent increase from one year earlier.The Rutgers labor scorecard offered other sobering findings:-- About 530,000 were subject to mass layoffs in the last year, growth of nearly 5 percent, but a lower rate than five and 10 years ago.-- The median weekly earnings for American workers have not grown in real terms over the last eight years.-- At $6.55, the federal minimum wage is worth 40 cents less per hour, in inflation-adjusted dollars, than it was a decade ago.-- While employer-assisted childcare and employee wellness programs have grown quickly over the last decade, they still cover less than one quarter of American workers.-- Roughly 4 percent of the workforce wants to work full-time, but is working part time because they can't find full-time work.Full link here:http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=716781

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Mike Reeder; very well put,my hat is off to you, sir. Amen & Amen.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. B,It's not a smear to accurately recount something and it's not puffing anyone up to accurately describe what they've done.As for W, he inherited a recession, had the country and its financial center hit by a terrorist attack before his chair was even warm, and eight years later, even though everyone expected the other shoe to fall fast, we have not suffered another major terrorism attack, we have deposed two tyranical regimes that had been state sponsors of terror, we have had seven years of uninterrupted economic growth in every quarter, the average unemployment rate has been 5.7 percent -- exactly the average of the Clinton years, when nothing grew until the new GOP congress passed capital gains tax cuts after 1994-- and despite all the talk of a housing crisis 96-percent of all mortgages (99.9999% outside California) are solid as a rock. Gasoline prices have gone up, but not to even half the level they are in Eurupe, where tax and regulation policies are similar to what Obama wants to impose here. Those are facts. Now you can do with those facts anything you care to. You can check them out, you can deny them, or you can stuff them anywhere you like where the sun doesn't shine. I'm willing to have an intelligent exchange with anyone who is willing to listen to reason and able to acknowledge the truth, but when it comes to some ideologically-driven, leftwing, wailing loon I've got better things to do -- starting right now.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Why do you hate George W. Bush so much mr.b? I think he's one of the most patriotic presidents we've had in along time. The last democtratic president we had was the one who signed the free trade agreement and sent all our jobs overseas. McCain and the republicans are the ones who are truly bringing around change. W hired a woman, Condelezza Rice as our secretary of state. She's the third most powerful person in w's staff. McCain is choosing another woman,Mrs. Palin to be his vice-president, the second most powerful person in his upcoming Presidency. The Democrats choose Obama as their cantidate over hillary who had 8 years of presidential experience and he snubs her for Joe Biden, a career polititian who can't vote on a topic the same twice. Where's the change man??

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Reederfunny how you smear and disallow someone who spent endless hours working with the low-life's, (recently unemployed, underemployed), while puffing up the career of someone you like.Palin was a mayor of a one stop-sign town in Alasaka. You talk about Obamas' inexperience?"W" was hailed as a Washington outsider too, and a Gov. God help us all if she is as "qualified" as he.To steal a line---Is she ready to lead?

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Mike, please do not confuse Mr. B with the facts. He seems to work best without any information, just like his candidate.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. B.What exactly do you think a senator does? How many of them have you met or worked with? I've been around a bunch of them and had to work with them for five years. I have some respect for some of them, particularly those few who came to office with some accomplishment outside gvt, and for the very few I've met who didn't act like Olympian demigods towing an entourage of professional fawners. However, the fact is that Senators don't do much more than endlessly bloviate while confusing it with action and accomplishment. Dirk Kempthorne, who was a Senator from Idaho before he became its governor, said he had to make more real decisions in one week as a governor than he did in a year as a senator. In Obama's case, he was a senator for one year before he became a full-time candidate for President. Before that, he served a couple of years in the state senate where his legislative accomplishments are as barren as they have been in the U.S. Senate. Before that, he was a "community activist," whatever the hell that is, who left no lasting footprints in the community. Obama's own running mate could only offer up a nuclear proliferation bill as his boss's best accomplishment in the U.S. Senate. In fact, that bill was about as important as a declaration honoring the boys scouts. It passed on an unrecorded voice vote and was immediately set aside to collect dust. His only real accomplishment was managing to get his autobiography published after doing nothing more than passing law school. Sarah Palin by contrast has at least built something and run something. She and her husband created a business and worked it with their own hands. She has spent 13 years in elective office, which is about three times longer than Obama, and as a mayor and governor she has been responsible for actually doing things and accountable for her actions. As governor she has cut property taxes, substantially reduced state spending and passed genuine ethics reforms that turned that state's culture on its head. Meanwhile, she was raising a family, including a kid on his way to Iraq and a baby she chose to have knowing it had Down's syndrome. She's a real hunter (her parents had to interrupt a caribou hunt today to see her on TV), a gun owner and from everything I know about her she's tough as nails. If she's unqualified to be number two what the Hell does that say about the clown the Democrats have chosen to be number one? Just to be fair, Obama was also Pres. of the Harvard Law Review. Too bad he never wrote a single article or anything else that wasn't about himself.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i wonder how our men and women in uniform serving overseas will feel when they come back and obama has taken their guns and melted them down. thanks guys, welcome home!

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Well, DP, if you wanted to start a rant, you sure succeeded. I love it that this debate has not been one-sided at all, and a lot of it has been pretty damn articulate: pour it on, guys and gals, this is what makes our country great. Is this going to be a great season for the Gun Nut or what?

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Protect us from whut?Ay-Rabs?

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

james ti,Dems,libs,antis are always on the outer fringes spewing hate like the green apple squirts. They never really leave, they need us to protect them.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I think McCain's choice of a running mate is completly "Maverick McCain",a highly smart move that no one expected and one that the democrats really cannot run down or they'll risk losing Hillary's pants suit supporters.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i thought mr. b said he was leaving.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

When November rolls around, we gonna throw darts at the President side. With all the great people in the US, why did we end up with these two. It's as if out Vote meant zilt. Like him/her or not, but when Bush leaves and teh new guy sit in the Oval office, we gonna say, why did I not vote for Hillary in the primary. No way the 2 we got to choose from can do l/10th of their promishes Hilly will appear to be a Saint compard to the two yo-yo's. Talked to my gun dealer today, he advised me to buy up all the Ammo I planned to use in next 10 yrs or either begin reloading and buy the stuff needed.He says, a19% increase will take fffect in Sept????? I don;t know, but did buy some 06 Res. Scricco's and 270's, & Wincheser Ballastic for the 25-06. At73 got a good supply I hope. No one is gonna take my guns with out a fight, also, they gotta find them first. Vote in NOV. it's one of the last chances we got, regardless of vale or not. With the Electroal Vote and S Court, lttle can we do.Mark my word, Clinton wll godown in history as one of the best Pres. we've had in 30 yrs and Bush the Worst since HOOVER. Finally got licenses out West on rejected tags, so will go last of Oct. if able. Feel sure at 73 tthis is my last wester trip and cost are out of sight. Now only the Rich can afford to hunt ( and I'm far from rich, if had it to do over would save my $ and hunt here). ust love the Rockies and the sound of a Bull will completely ruine you for life. I can already here them buggling 2800 miles away. Now to mount a scope on the MArlin XL7 270, zero and dble check my 700 CLD in 06As shots where I hunt can be near 500 yds. 200 would be a dream shot. So shoot often and straight.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I thought the forum pillars framing Obama was a nice touch. :-)

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Did I pee in the lemonade? 'Scuse me.

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

THANK YOU Gman!Yeah, Palin has REAL EXPERIENCE! Just like George Bush! A Governor, who doesn't just talk about things, like a senator does! Gimme a break Reeder!G-man, now I know that I'm not the only person here that doesn't sit on their brains!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Gman,I didn't say Obama was Mao, Lenin, or Hitler, although I would never doubt his ambitions. I merely said the imagery was both striking and unsettling, which it was. You would think a candidate who had already cost himself support with that Triumph of the Will recreation in Berlin would have had enough sense not to repeat the same mistake so quickly. But then it's hard to see your own mistakes when you're blinded by hubris.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I love that Reeder rhetoric!Mao, Lenin and Hitler!Mission accomplished! Nice flightsuit, Incurious George! No stagecraft here! Just good old-fashioned patriotism!Sign me up for the re-education camp.Every time I feel uncomfortable about the possibility of evolution, I am reassured by the vast majority of posts here that demonstrate no evidence thereof. Unfortunately, there is goshdarned little evidence of any intelligent design in much of what you entertaining gentlemen say, either.Say, do you fellas ignore Labor Day, it being a Commie holiday and all?

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Yoop send that in to Readers Digest you might get $25!

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

His name's Barack ObamaDon't ever call him HusseinCause if you use that monnikeryour career is down the drainThe man's a total idiotto that we can attestWe really need a black manbut we can't afford the bestThe guy started out by dancingI think he really looked coolBut when we vote for PresidentWe don't need a dancing fool!YooperJack

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Some observations: 1. Exactly in what respect have Clay's quotes been taken out of context? Looks like more empty headed remarks a la Mr. Obama. 2. For those who think Mr. Obama does not screw up a lot, when not scripted, go to utube. 3.I for one am glad the irrational who do not live in this country cannot vote here, yet. 4.Exactly how are the tax paying people of this country going to afford to be taxed at an even greater rate to support the growing and soon to be majority who do nothing to support this country and only take for what they seem to believe is their right to be supported, citizen or not. Oh, I do not believe you will find that right in the Constitution either 5. Brendan, I think you should join Gary on that bridge Clay referred to. 6. I think it is time to do some scouting while we still can.

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am convinced that most contributers to this site couldn't run a one car funeral procession. You still have an idiot here who is still trying to convince us that Saddam was responsible for 9-11. Like I would take advice from you Dr. Ralph. My vote will cancel yours in Nov.DP, it's been real..........adios

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I think Palin is a home run. Re. experience, there are different kinds of experience. One, Obama himself has no more elective experience, zero executive experience and zero experience in anything outside politics, and he's at the HEAD of the ticket. She has only been a governor for a couple of years, but she is the only candidate with executive experience (also mayor and head of the state oil and gas commission), which means unlike Senators who TALK about things she's actually had to do things and be responsible for taking action. She is an expert on oil and gas which makes her the most well-versed candidate in this race on one of the most important issues. She also brings life experience Obama does not possess. One, she's a mother of five, including an eldest who is a soldier bound for Iraq and a youngest who is a Down's syndrome baby. She has actually worked for a living, which neither Obama nor Biden has ever done, and has personal experience as a wife and mother that Obama and Biden belittle at their mortal peril. Of course, they immediately did belittle her choice, which had to be the most tone deaf, stupid thing they've done in at least the past five minutes. More to the point of this forum, she's a life member of the NRA and has been a hunter since she was a little girl. As for how she compares to the other VP nominee, Biden is a gaseous buffoon born with a sneer on his face who has never stood on a principle long enough to leave a footprint. Some pundits said Biden brought "gravitas" to the ticket. He brings seniority, but he wouldn't bring an ounce of gravitas if he served a thousand more years. The Obama campaign says it looks forward to seeing her debate Biden. So do I.As for that Obama speech last night, I don't think it really helped him. I couldn't stand to watch the whole damned thing -- I've got short patience for hearing that we're losing a war we're winning, that an economy that just grew by 3.3% is in shambles, that there's a gvt. program waiting for every perceived problem that exists, that 9-11 must have never happened because it was never mentioned and that federal money evidently falls from the sky since the subject of spending never came up. Mostly, everything was relentlessly negative -- including his view of America -- and he showed no grace toward the other side at all. Every time they took the wide shot with him on the big screen it looked just like those pictures of Lenin, Mao and Hitler that used to be featured at their various rallies and parades. He'll probably get a short bump just off the mostly adoring media coverage, but I think most middle-Americans who watched that thing came away a little unsettled if not a little scared -- and for good reason.

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from Matt wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

As an aside: Having been through the Naval Aircrewman Candidate School, SERE School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance & Escape) - which at that time had the ONLY naval enlisted man to be a POW teaching how the Vietnamese coerced POW's, I was taught that no man can hold out against torture - John Wayne would have broken like a matchstick- the goal was to give as little as possible, then bounce back for the next time. John McCain has my utmost respect for surviving such treatment.

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from CJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

All you Obamanists and bleeding Liberal lovers of Joe Biden better learn to play golf if your candidate gets elected. Or better yet, backyard horseshoes because you won't be able to afford green fees after the tax increases and economic impacts thereof.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i spent 13 years in alaska. give sara palin a chance. you will be very pleasantly suprised! she will not back down and will take no crap. she is also very smart and does well with leadership. get to know her and be prepared! good pick for mccain!

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sarah Palin is an OUTSTANDING choice. Just read her bio, and I hope you got to hear her speak.She talked about what she believes, not a bunch of empty promises.You libs ....ah, what the heck, you won't listen anyway.johnl

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from coach ike wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

anyone who gets the job should spend MORE time on the subjects that matter like illegal immigration, our poor ass economy, the war which is completely out of control and less time on people who respect, abide by the law. leave our 2nd ammendment rights alone!!!

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from Frank wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is a horrible pick. He is 72 years old and puts all of us in danger with this kind of VP if something happens to him. I am voting OBAMA/BIDEN !!!

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This isn't a BTW for McCain. It's a WTF????The Dems gotta love this. She won't take a single Hillary vote from Obama. Hillary voters don't tend to cross party lines to go anti-choice.Wayne called. Looks like he's gonna need more lunch money when this is over. Write a check today.

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from Donny wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I love my guns and want to keep them. But I love my country more. And I'll be damned if I'm voting for another Republican.As Obama said, Enough!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

McCain made a good pick. Surprised the Dems and GOP Establishments. Where do his critics go from here?BTW he just stole the Democrats' Fire.I doubt Obama will get over 100 electro votes.

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from Steve S wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Her pick completely undercuts his argument of Barack being inexperienced. She was the mayor of a town with 6700 residents. And only a first term governor. And since he is as old as time, there is a real chance she could become Prez. A president of a large university has more experience then a mayor of a town of 6700 people.This is like when W nominated Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court.This is a strange pick in my mind...??

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I don't think so, Jim. It looks like a very good move to me. She's pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, younger than BHO, has more executive-level experience than anybody else on either ticket, popular in her home state where she has done a lot to clean up corruption. She will pull some Hillary voters to the McCain ticket, and puts a new face on the Republican party, which has been pretty much characterized/stereotyped as either stuffy old men or angry young men, all beholden to the religious right. Having a woman on the ticket is brilliant.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,If you live in Australia, what the hell do you care what our feelings are for the Constitution and the Amendments? Go hang out with the Geico lizard or play leapfrog with a kangeroo.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I see the screeching hasn't really changed that much in the past 12 months.It's almost September. Time to scout. If you've made up your mind about who you're voting for, you can hit the woods with a clear mind.If you're trying to convince those who disagree with you of their mistaken position, you are wasting your breath. It is too late.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'm afraid McCain just shot himself in the foot. What is this?

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, it was my pleasure, Sir. Have a good night's rest.BTW, thank you all, ladies and gentlemen.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Thilo and others- I have really enjoyed the debate this evening, but it is late for me and I must go to bed. Some may say that it is not my place to comment on your domestic political policy but at the end of the day we all share the same common goals, we want be able to get on and enjoy our life safely and our individual persuits, what ever they may be, and we want to be afforded the same rights and respect as others are. We have agreed and we have dissagreed, but most importantly we have all had our say...this is democracy...goodnight gentlemen...

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from Gary wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I guess some of you guys really showed me. I spoke up about something that is bothering me, and I offered my personal remedy. At no time did I insult anyone, or call any specific person out. I didn't even mean to confine my criticism to one party or perspective; however, I can understand how my solution perhaps seemed partisan.However, the follow ups to my original post have illustrated my point quite well. So far, my masculinty and intelligence have been questioned, my wife was insulted, and my speedy demise was advocated. Oh, and some guy wants my guns. Well, being as deer season is just around the corner, I suppose I will have to say no to this request. I don't know about anyone else, but these type of comments really make me want to change my mind.Finally, since part of my original post dealt with the issue of mispelling peoples names, I feel the need to call a foul on myself. I noticed when I reread my original post that I had mispelled Senator Obama's first name. I added an extra r.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, I am sorry but I cannot hold back, I STRONGLY DISAGREE that the U.S. Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Right is outdated, Sir. In fact, I consider it still the finest document politicians ever came up with. And what kind noble, straight thinking gentlemen most of the founding fathers of the United States were! I suspect that many of them would turn into their graves how things deteriorated over time and what sorry persons their successors are. WE ourselves (!) are to be blamed for having allowed the loss of social values, common sense and liberty over time.I can only speak for me, but I am not in favour of having an elitist government telling me what to do and what not. At the same time I fully respect and value the next persons god given rights same as mine. I don't cross other peoples boundaries and I expect and insist on them not violating mine. That's just a fair trade.My country was responsible for the greatest tragedy in the 20th century. If there's something learned from that, it is to safeguard freedom and liberty of everyone at all cost.Back to the gun control debate, in my experience it's very rarely "our" side who does not listen to what the gun grabbers have to say. It's the other way around. Anti-gunners are instantly turning deaf as soon as pro-gun arguments are brought up that are backed up by facts, real life and history. It doesn't fit into their way of thinking, their leftist ideology and thus it's thrown out of the window. I've noticed that so many times that we could speak of a trend. It's usually from their anti-gunner's side the arrogance and ridiculousness comes from. Even then I try to remain calm and polite.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sorry everybody, but i just read Dave's original post, it's the end of a long working day for me down under and I'm gonna get nasty again....Dave firstly...screw the NRA, you all give them your money but what have they really achieved for you? Please understand that i am not totally dissagreeing with their philosophy I just don't see any results from my part of the world..I just see fat cats getting fatter. I know that this is all blasphomy to you, but somebody's gotta say it. And Dave do you really mean to tell me that you would rather have somebody who cant use a computer and who suffers from memory lapses to be the ruler of the free world, over a liberal?? I am not saying that Obama is the man for the job, but please Dave stop making us gun owners look like idiots...have a good weekend.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

KJ- I don't think that the American constitution itself is garbage, at worst it's just outdated. The problem that I have with your constitution is that it seems that everybody interprets it to suit their own needs and agendas, so much time and energy is wasted debating the meaning of an out of date document, rather than just getting on with the job of democracy, which in itself is not easy and unfortunately comes at a price, as all good things do. I agree that the words I used were strong and I can see how you would take offence, I was fired up at the time and I wanted to provoke a response....for what it's worth...I apologise. Many people on this blog made remarks just as arrogant as mine were, but in favour of your cause...this does not help us either. It is important that we understand that our critics feel exactly the same way that we do, they feel that a factual non-emotional discussion, as Thilo rightly put it, with us is impossible, we have to gain the higher ground, believe me, I fight this fight everyday.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,Your earlier comment:"I am sick of you yanks crapping on about your second amendment. Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written. Times change...change with them.I love shooting and hunting and I do not need a semi auto to enjoy my sport. I am glad that acquiring a firearm here in Australia is a prolonged process. I dont every idiot to be running around with a gun. I bet you wont post this."doesn't really jive with your latest:"Please understand that no disrespect is meant by my comments, I realise that my perspective on political events in your country would possibly not be completely true, however sometimes the objectivity of an outsider can be useful in a heated situation."Referring to our Constitution as "that garbage" is ultimately disrespectful. You are not enhancing debate with your disrespect. Couple that with the fact that your argument quite simply is a non seguitar (as Thilo very ably demonstrated) and you look very much like an ignorant assbag. I don't care if you disagree with my politics or my views on liberty, but you can do it respectfully. But since you have chosen otherwise, don't expect to be taken seriously.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, nicely put. Being an 'outsider' myself also, I understand what you're saying and there's really no disagreement with me. As you probably know only too well yourself, factual, non-emotional discussions with an anti-gunner is almost next to impossible. It's just unacceptable to me to have our rights gradually eroded withouit gaining nothing from the other side in return. For that reason, law-abiding gun owners, who are endangered everywhere, owe it to themselves, too, to hang together as much as we can or hang separately. I'll never stop working for that rightous cause and can only hope for the best.Have a fine weekend, Sir. That wish extends to all the ladies and gentlemen here who took the time to share their comments on this blog and to our host, Mr. Petzal, es well.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Thilo - most, actually all of the gun owners that I know are also fine law abiding people, people that I would trust with my life, and I infact consider myself to be that type of gun owner. Please understand that no disrespect is meant by my comments, I realise that my perspective on political events in your country would possibly not be completely true, however sometimes the objectivity of an outsider can be useful in a heated situation. some say that perception IS reality. I am merely trying to agitate a healthy debate because I care about society, I think that this topic deserves it, but also I care about the rights of gun owners all over the world and we owe to ourselves to show the rest of the world that we are not just mindlessly fighting for our own selfish reasons, but that we are infact able to self diagnose and conduct healthy internal debate. I think that this is our greatest defence against our critics....cheers

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, Sir, with all due respect, please cite one instance where any "sensible" gun law and restriction ever did prevent a violent felony or terroristic attack.As we all know by now, persons committing such atrocities do NOT obtain their firearms, explosives, grenade launchers etc. through any legal channels, but they get them nevertheless. Criminals, maniacs and terrorists never bother with application paperwork, finger printing, background checks and all the other obstacles, which are in place for the average citizen, before firearms can be legally owned. Here, we're well aware of that, as in the early 1970s, as a response to acts of terror and violence carried out by the Baader-Meinhof and RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion = Red Army Fraction), the then-existing gun law was tightened dramatically. Did this ever stop them from getting their guns and explosives? No! In fact, this law change was so ineffective, that afterwards it can only be rated as one of the many helpless attempts by the politics to prove having done something in order to calm down the alarmed public masses.Any evil person with only one illegal firearm in his hand is WAY MORE dangerous than millions of decent gun owners owning tenth of millions of firearms! And, to make it perfectly clear, the type of gun doesn't matter in the least in that equation. A maniac with a cheap, single shot .22 rimfire rifle is MUCH MORE more of a danger to society than any law-abiding person having a 7,62 mm NATO Mini-Gun at his/her disposal.The example you gave, regarding one motorist pulling a gun onto another driver for minor traffic violations, simply doesn't happen in the real world, at least not as long as persons with only half a brain are involved. If I am not mistaken the same irrational situations as well as other "High Noon"-style shootings were portrayed by the anti-gunners before the state of Oregon and Florida passed CCW shall-issue legislations in late '80s and early '90s. Do we still hear the antis scream hysterically now, after all those years? No, they have become quite silent about that and seem to prefer using other weird and misleading arguments to make their case.Even if such events would really happen, that would still be no reason to deny law-abiding, tax-paying citizens the right to own and carry firearms. By the way, the vast majority of gun owners are responsible, decent folks in my personal experience, regardless of where they come from!Given the choice between a society where everyone could obtain a gun easily to one where possession of firearms by civilians is outlawed, then I would MUCH prefer to live in the former and consider myself lucky to do so.

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from Ed J wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

What a load of illogical rationalization. The F1 Mclaren is street legal. There is one over in Mn. Yes it is liscened. There is no need to respond to your absurd gun fight.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,If the USA were to fall how long do you think Australia and the UK would last? You sir are a subject. I on the other hand am a free man.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Well guys we have our work cut out for us. Obama gave his big speech and the crowd roared. I watched the Chiefs and Rams. Can't take too much BS and can't stand the thought of a liberal Commander in Chief. The wife watched and said it was an impressive "show". Chiefs won BTW.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Jim,Thanks for posting that message. I'm a computer klutz and did not know how.BTW guys I've been to the UK (going again soon) and to Australia and I can tell you if you want to piss either an Aussie or a Brit off ask him if he is the other. Those folks don't like each other much in my opinion.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

kj- guns in the hands of insecure peolple can give them a sense of power that enables them to carry out thoughtless acts of violence. For example when you accidentally cut of some guy on the highway and he pulls a gun on you at the next traffic light, just to show what a big man he is, you fire at him with your gun because you feel that your life has been threatened, and this is a natural response, but as a society we need to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place and some restriction on firearm ownership is unfortunately really one of the only ways to do this. I love my big v8 and I wish that I could drive it as fast as it can go down the highway, but there are laws against this and abide by them, without feeling that my personal rights have been threatened.I understand why it would be against the law in this country to drive a formula1 car on public roads and why I have to have a liscence. society should rule, judge and punish as a whole. It should not be left to the unimpartial individual....others- stop stroking each others egos with your stupid out of context 2 line quotes...where is the healthy debate guys...this is a serious topic...you say that you are responsible firearm owners....well act like it and understand that there are rules in life...like or not. I don't pretend to know anything about your costitution but I would bet that it doesnt say much about how fast you can drive your car...does this mean that you can go as fast as you want?? Grow up...life is not just black and white.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, protecting the right of citizens to arm themselves enforces those boundaries of which you speak. Allowing citizens to arm themselves protects them from criminals, foreign invaders, and their own government.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Fearsclave...I live in Australia and I consider it my country, but I am not a citizen, so dont feel that you can apologise for me you spineless English git...

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

eyeball...thankyou for an intelligent reply to my posts. I believe that your points are not entirely invalid. My concern, however is, where do you draw the line on gun control.Do we allow privat citizens to carry concealed grenade launchers for example when that kind of technology becomes available.To some of the other posts- with freedom comes great responsebility, abiding by sensible laws is not the same as giving up freedom, if society does not have boudaries then you have anarchy.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Easy Mr Bill! The fella showing his true colors!

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from Lone Star 45 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Laos-65You have been receiving 15 Billion a year in US Taxpayer dollars for decades?Man, you are so full of crap you can even wright!Welcome to freedom butthead!Freedom isn’t free and I have no tolerance for “FREEDOM FREELOADERS” especially fakes like you!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

paul WilkeThe quotes are great, wish I had the capacity to express myself as clearly?NO JOKE!There are “Word Smiths” and they are “Black Smiths” and a very few of the both,; but allot think they are both!

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from BigK wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll vote for McCain, but I would have really enjoyed voting for Ron Paul!

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Aside from voting for a man like McCain because I want to keep enjoying my 2nd Amendment rights--what other reason is there?Don't bash my head in--I'd really like to know.What will McCain do to reverse the economy? We are in debt to the tune of 10 TRILLION DOLLARS! If we don't raise taxes, who's picking up the tab?What about the "Keating Five"?I haven't cast my vote yet-and will mull the feedback.A Centrist by Nature...........

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I wouldn't piss down Obama's throat if his heart was on fire, much less vote such a male-chauvinistic, elitist Socialist into office.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sorry here it ishttp://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Here's the website Del was talking about. After you read it check out the links too.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I always thought that a person running for president had to be a "natural born citizen of the United States". Am I wrong or is this not a law? Honestly even if he does get elected he will likly get greased by some southern redneck clansman who wants to be a footnote in history. I personally am going to try and save his life and vote for McCain.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

There's a message making the rounds that says Obama is not qualified to be President. Due to his being born in Kenya not Hawaii and being adopted by his mother's second husband in Indonesia. Any of you guy's seen that?

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from ray wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

After all Mc Cain has done for our country I would feel like a lowdown dog to not vote for him!HE has earned the right to be elected president, Obammy wants it GIVEN to him, that shouldn't come as a surprise though.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Zermoid,Under the heading of no right is absolute, you do occasionally need a license to speak or assemble. Think of parade permits, for instance. On the other hand, because speech and assembly are basic, guaranteed rights, they cannot be capriciously denied or withheld except under very narrow circumstances and for clear and demonstrable reasons, such as public safety. In the case of a parade, you can require a permit in order to allow for traffic control, but you cannot deny a permit because of the participants' views. Hence, Nazis get to march in Skokie, IL., even though nearly everyone agrees their views are reprehensible. By the same token, you might -- might -- be legally able to defend denying a gun purchase or requiring a license, but only if such restrictions did not result in everyone who wanted a gun getting one without undue delay, unless they were either legally insane or a convicted felon. Even that might not meet Constitutional muster if it could be shown that the relevant statute was in fact resulting in a denial of rights to the vast majority of buyers or applicants. Just for the record, I believe any licensing scheme is too great an impediment to the exercise of 2nd Amndt. rights to be Constitutional, and would always oppose them, but that's a point you would need to prove in court. That's also all Scalia meant when he said the SCOTUS's rulings did not necessarily knock down every gun law in existence, although it did make them far more vulnerable to Constitutional challenge.

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from Thomas from Wyoming wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

You angry, angry white man.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Wow, not much I can really add to this, except a question.If the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms has been upheld as an individual RIGHT then why do we need a license to exercise a Right? Do you need a license to exercise free speech or assembly? Or any other right?Anyone who would vote for Obama is a fool. He has no experience, and is about as racist and un-American as they come, his only quality (?) is that he is charismatic and reads a scripted speech well. Reminds me alot of Adolf Hitler, an energizing and charismatic speaker who knew nothing.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Reeder - Well said, Sir!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bravo to Petzal for making the call. He is right in all particulars. I've noted before I did not originally back McCain and was never a fan, but given Obama there is no other choice. Despite what some of his mind-numbed followers will say, the man and his running mate are both virulently anti-gun. Both have also made it abundantly clear that they will do their best to scour the court of every pro-2nd Amndt. justice. Beyond the right to bear arms, Obama is not simply the most liberal member of the senate by voting record (Biden is #3). He is in fact someone whose deeply troubling, radical associations over the years have barely been scratched. I would advise everyone to keep their eyes on his links to Williams Ayers, the former Pentagon bomber, and how panic-stricken the Obama campaign is by any attempt to examine that association and the others that flow from it, to the point of smearing the character of reputable writers, mounting intimidation campaigns against the networks and, last night, burying radio station WGN in Chicago with an organized call-in and email campaign to keep the subject from being discussed. That 20-year association is a Pandora's box of Obama's various links to radical, far-left causes and activists, and he does not want the subject broached until well after Nov. I know the reaction what I just wrote will stir in certain quarters, but it is factual. I have never been one of those people who believes our future hinges on any one particular election or on the success of one candidate or one party's particular agenda. As a conservative, I think there are a lot of things far more important than politics and gvt. -- things like family, friendship, private enterprise, hunting, fishing and a thousand and one other small private concerns that make life worth living. About all I've ever wanted of gvt. is for it to patrol the shores, protect our private freedoms and otherwise leave me, my family and my wallet completely to hell alone. I've thought for a long time that if this country could survive Jimmy Carter it could survive anything. Now, for the first time, with this candidate and the support he would enjoy from the people in charge of congress, and knowing the dangers we still face, I fear for my country if this man ever finds his way to power.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

mike diehl,your last post prooves that true and funny can go in the same context. here, here!

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

brenden, part of the freedom to keep and bear arms is the freedom for the individual law abiding citizen to decide for him or herself what firearms they wish to keep, not for the government to decide which ones are too dangerous. too dangerous for who? you are correct that there were no semi-autos back then. duh! that doesn't mean anything. it does not say the right to keep and bear only the arms of today. firearms will continue to evolve and progress. stay in your country and continue to believe whatever you hear. enjoy the bliss of your restrictive laws. that way you never have to worry about being unhappy about a government that baby's you and makes you think that everything is in your best interests. keep going around thinking you are free and all is well. if you are happy being a subject then by all means do so for the rest of your blissful life! just don't expect those of us that know better to do the same.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey, Laos-65 -The only people who think Israel should fight its own wars are Muslims. (particularly extremist Muslims - aka terrorists?)

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from Laos-65 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Lone Star 45-- Wont be calling 911 since I've been receiving 15 Billion a year in US Taxpayer dollars for decades, have the very latest armor and air tech which was developed for NATO, have maybe 250 of my own nukes and a governing body not constrained by political correctness.-- Buried too many of my comrades in the 60's, too many of our children today.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

"Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written."They're still not around, at least not for private ownership. I find it, errm, interesting that a statement of the rights of citizens is "garbage" to you. Of course, since Australia was where where the UK dumped their societal refuse, one can write off your remark as symptomatic of years of inbreeding and its effects on cognition.

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from Fearsclave wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

On behalf of the entire British Commonwealth I'd like to apologize to my fellow hunters and shooters for this Brendan individual.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay, thank you for your kind and warm words. They're greatly appreciated.Just to clarify, I am not a citizen of the United States, I do not live over there, nor did I ever apply for U.S. citizenship. I once thought about moving over, because I was offered a job there, but that didn't happen either.What I was attempting to do is to tell anybody willing to read my comments on this blog how I feel on the issues discussed and how things turned out. I suspect that some political goals set out by Mr. Obama look quite appealing to many Americans, including a not inconsiderable portion of hunters and gun owners, despite the fact that Mr. Obama's anti-gun voting record speaks for itself. That's okay, everyone must weigh out the pros and cons of a political candidate for him- or herself. But, be warned, everything comes at a price. If Mr. Obama gets elected U.S. President and insists on his many "changes", then you might face a situation where there's no easy turning back. To those who would accept moderate gun control in return, I can only say, once the antis get their foot firmly into the doorframe, it can and will get only worse. Count on it. All of that happened here a long time ago. You mustn't allow that to happen.To me, the 2nd Amendment is the fundamental pillar for legal gun ownership, so to speak. If they manage to do away with it, I am firmly convinced that we'll see the day when the U.N. passes resolutions where member States governments are obliged (and just too willing) to outlaw legal gun ownership altogether. Don't ever forget, gun bans and general disarmament always preceeded mass murder and genocide. At least 60 million defenseless, innocent people were killed by their own governments in the 20th century alone...

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Democracy is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least. - Robert ByrneVote for the man who promises least; he'll be the least disappointing. - Bernard BaruchIf we lose our 2nd amendment rights, we can turn over the rest of them also, including the all powerful 1st "freedom of speech" amendment. If the press would stop protecting Obama and treating him like a celebrity, they might have time to investigate further into his dealings with Ahern the terrorist. Example - the foundation set up by Ahern & Obama to help Chicago schools. Obama is quite a fundraiser, remember? The foundation went belly up, but no one knows what happened to the money. How soon after that did Obama buy his $1,650,000 home in Chicago? The reporter that tried to investigate this was told the records concerning this matter was closed. All politicians are crooked, some less than others.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan;The problem with America is that1. America knows who it is, and who it is isn't what the liberal media, international crowd, etc. want it to be.2. Liberal politicians have to create the perception that there are problems with America so they can be elected to fix them. The media helps them in this. I'd hate to have to assess America on the basis of what our own media and politicians have to say about her; I'd be as confused as you are, or worse.The problem most of the bloggers on this post have is that we know it's all lies. America is still the country people around the world run TO, rather than away from.Oh, and the value of a semiauto hunting rifle is that you can make second and third shots on target without moving your hands or otherwise changing your position on the firearm; handy when shooting from a rest, off sticks, prone, or when tracking a wounded but still moving target in your scope. Semiautos also recoil less than other action types. Please don't go by the 'You don't NEED etc.' line of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership, for anything you have can be taken from you then; all you NEED is food, water, and oxygen. God bless America.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

bella, andrew and gary: can i have your guns since you are willing to give them up so easily? of course you probably don't have any. you are here because you are lonley. you are looking to be heard no matter what and will say anything to finaly have a voice. you were shunned in school and never amounted to anything regardless of your vows to show people what you are made of. if you are going to spout ignorant retoric, go to okra wimpies website and spout away. like jim in mo. said, "you vote against your conscience just to spite others."

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from paul Wilke wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay;Here's what I think of that, let me paraphrase.(Congress) The powers that be shall make no law(respecting)concerning an(establishment)branch of religion. You know Christen, Buddhist,Muslim, etc.In other word "hands off".or(prohibiting)messing with the( free) unrestricted (exercise)right to worship in that religion.The quotes are great, wish I had the capacity to express myself as clearly.How about Mark Twain or Will Rodgers

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

ThiloWelcome Thilo to the United States and reading what you have said, I am proud and blessed to have you as a Citizen of the United States. I am a proud sponsor for a young man from the Dominican Republic for is US Citizenship and he to shares the same beliefs as you do. After 20 years in the military, 11 years as a truck driver and now my wonderful Wife and I are owners of a medical billing Service and administrators for a medical clinic. Thilo, I must agree with you about the government healthcare system. I find the Amish that I have learned to love and respect thru numerous contacts with, are by far superior to us and especially when it comes to health care. What I have learned from them is, happiness is not what you like to do, it’s the byproduct what you must do that is right! I discovered once they find out that you’re not a threat or someone that will do harm or offensive you will find they are among the most beautiful people you will ever meet! “DO NOT” think they are backwards people by any means, they know more what’s going on in this world better than all of us put together!One againWelcome Thilo!

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from Lone Star 45 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Laos-65That is the most ignorant statement yet today!Israel is a stepping stone for what evil comes our way!And by the way Laos if you are being assaulted with deadly force,don't call 911 or ask for help your own your own and that’s by your own standards!

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from Laos-65 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll say it again,"I'm voting for the individual who insists that Israel fight its own wars".DOL

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from Richard Grimes, Troy NC wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This is so critically important. We MUST make sure that this information reachs way beyond this blog. I am the Election Volunteer Coordinator for the 8th District of North Carolina for the NRA. I work gun shows and local events. I am active in the community and it is just about impossible to get people to ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER TO HELP.Help spread this information. Register to Vote or be damn ready to Register your GUNS.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am a foreigner, living in a country were common health care and retirement programs have been put into effect by the government a long time ago. That, ladies and gentlemen, has turned out to be a BIG MONEY MAKER for the respective governments reigning at a given time. Personal contributions to these programs get automatically deducted from the gross income of the working portion within the population. These contributions are on the constant rise, with more and more benefits and services, formerly covered under the provisions of these programs, gradually cut. Thus Citizens are requested to also invest in private health care insurances, if they still want to take advantage of lost benefits and services, while still having to maintain the "government-sponsored" health care program, thereby spending even more of their hard earned net income. Same goes with retirement insurance and pension programs. Situation is getting worse and worse from one year to the next. In my opinion, health care and retirement programs implemented by our always money-hungry government have failed completely. Question: Are you really willing to go the same route?I am a legal gun owner (despite our strict gun laws), avid competition shooter and strong pro-gun proponent. That alone would keep me from voting for Mr. Obama and I also wouldn't feel quite at ease with Mr. McCain either.Though, I am not a U.S. citizen I saw the necessity to apply for a NRA Lifetime Membership early this year, because I feel like the Second Amendment will be in grievious danger in the next couple of years. I am now a proud member of the NRA. Where I live there probably aren't that many. I don't know how many legal gun owners and hunters you have in the U.S., but certainly the quantity EXCEEDS the number of NRA members BY FAR. Comparing whatever figures, ain't that a bit embarrassing? Imagine, if there wouldn't be just 4 - 5 million NRA members, but rather ten times that number or even more. That speaks power and influence to me! I strongly believe that your politicians would re-think three times where they stand on the issue of legal gun ownership then!Whoever wins the U.S. presidency, as an outsider, I can only encourage my fellow gun owners in the U.S. to join the NRA in order to safeguard your gun rights for the future. That's probably the only sensible thing to do, at least to take care of this very issue...(Sorry for the long rant and bad english.)

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Dr Ralph quote:God help us all if he is elected... of course he will immediately be assassinated and that's when the real shit will hit the fan.Dr.Ralph,Why would you even say something like that?BTW, if (heaven forbid) someone shoots (or even shoots @) Obama, you will see an uproar in this country the likes you've never seen and I can only imagine the knee jerk laws gun laws that will be passed in every state of the union (not to mention the new federal laws that will be passed).Waiting periods on all guns, no concealed carry, ammo bans, firing ranges closed down for environmental and noise pollution reasons, laws mandating ALL guns remain @ the address of the owner, no inheriting of firearms without registration, no gun shows, etc.....I know some of you think Obama will do most of this anyway, but you can almost guarantee they will happen if someone takes a shot @ him.Bottom line,Support McCain, vote, get your friends and family to vote and let the process run its course.Obama may win, but he can't change anything overnight and @ that point you continue to work within th system to try and elect Senators and Representatives that are sympathetic to gun rights.Period.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

McCain refused to be released from a POW camp and leave his men, and in doing so consigned himself to lengthy imprisonment and torture. Obama stood by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for twenty years and gained "cred" in the African-American community for doing that, but when Wright came under scrutiny (and Obama for standing by him), Obama dumped Wright. One sacrificed his own comfort and safety, the other displayed a "survive at all costs" mentality. Pressure under fire is revealing, and under fire I would rather have a McCain beside me than an Obama.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am a hunter, I read this post everyday, why are you deleting me.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

look at all of these ridiculous quotes...most of them are taken out of context and can actually be presented in such a way as to support both sides of the argument. Most of you seem like a bunch of paranoid simple minded rednecks. Worry less about the boogey man who is trying to take your rights away and worry more about the state of your nation and the reputation which it has on the international stage right now..or lack there of. The United States of America has gone from a country of great reverance and a role model to the rest of the western world to a nation that is full of contradictions and one that lacks true sense of self, largely thanks to that idiot george bush...dont prolong this situation...get real

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from retired waycar rider wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen---Dr. Ralph

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“It is my right to be uncommon...if I can; I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stole calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done, and this is what it means to be an American.”-Dean Alfrange“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy, 1962“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”-Claire Wolfe, 1995-Nov“To be governed is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be, at every operation and at every transaction, taxed, stamped, registered, numbered, counted, noted, measured, assessed, authorized, licensed, admonished, prevented, forbidden, corrected, reformed, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, fleeced, drilled, extorted from, exploited, monopolized, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at slightest resistance and first word of complaint, to be sacrificed, betrayed, harassed, repressed, disarmed, hunted down, clubbed, abused, fined, sold, and, to crown it all, to be outraged, ridiculed, mocked, derided, dishonored. THAT is government; that is its justice, that's its morality.”-Pierre-Joseph ProudhonLiberals know only two things, fire bad, and food good!Neal Boortz

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am sick of you yanks crapping on about your second amendment. Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written. Times change...change with them.I love shooting and hunting and I do not need a semi auto to enjoy my sport. I am glad that acquiring a firearm here in Australia is a prolonged process. I dont every idiot to be running around with a gun. I bet you wont post this.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Everyone loved Adolf Hitler and Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini until it was too late!!!

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from tjbbpgob wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Most all of these comments and others like them during this election cycle (and the last several, too) keep leading me to believe we need to bring back voter I.Q. test.

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

To all; the NRA is recognized by all, who actually bother to check, as absolutely honest in their appraisal of people. In every instance, where an accusation is made against anyone, consise evidence, in the form of documentation, is also given as proof. The charge, against the NRA of spreading rumors, is absolutely false.My dictionary defines a rumor as an unfounded statement, unsuported by fact or proof.

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from HenryM wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bill in Wisconsin,you live in a state thats run by democrats,the price of gas was half of what it is now before democrats took control of the house and senate,unemployment was at less than 5% before the democrats took control of the house and senate,and yet you have a problem with republicans??How will these situations improve if you elect the candidate that wants to raise taxes on the "rich"?(The people who create the jobs)The candidate that is happy that gas is $4 a gallon and says we need to end our dependance on foreign oil,but offers no solution other than to not let us drill for our own?Our Gov.Mr Doyle has kept this state as one of the few without a concealed carry law,and has supported stricter laws that only hurt the law abiding citizen.(It has never ceased to amaze me that some people don't understand that criminals don't care about gun laws.) Yet somehow all of our problems are the fault of Republicans??

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I once knew a lawyer in my church who spouted the "separation of church and state" mantra. My pastor and I were aghast. Even my high school educated self read the constitution at a young age and never found that phrase. The basic problem we have for this and future generations is EDUCATION. We teach feelings and abstract thought instead of FACTS and FIGURES. The federal control of curriculum, which began in the FDR era, is responsible for the dumbing down of education to thinking out problems or separating fact from bulls**t. I often ask young people about history and am amazed at how it is not being taught in public education. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Mankind has gotten more educated but his nature and habits have not changed through the centuries. Consider reading the book of Genesis. There is not soap opera ever written that could top those scenarios.A previous poster wrote of reasoning with a liberal. Wrong! You can't make a radical change his belief system that easily. Its like reversing a brainwashed cult member.I could forgive McCain for statements made at the Hanoi Hilton under threat of more torture. I cannot imagine the pain he and other POW's must have endured. At least he didn't return home and badmouth his country!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

GaryFriendsMe and You Are Friends …You Fight, I Fight ….You Hurt, I Hurt ….You Cry, I Cry …You Jump Off A Bridge …I’m Gonna Miss Your Dumb Ass!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Ok Paul WilkeWhat do you think of that!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Paul Wilke________________________________________________________________________________LAW OF THE LAND1st Amendment 'doesn't createchurch-state wall of separation'Court whacks civil-liberties group,OKs Ten Commandments display________________________________________Posted: December 20, 20054:32 pm Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily.comA U.S. appeals court today upheld the decision of a lower court in allowing the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse display, hammering the American Civil Liberties Union and declaring, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Attorneys from the American Center for Law and Justice successfully argued the case on behalf of Mercer County, Ky., and a display of historical documents placed in the county courthouse. The panel voted 3-0 to reject the ACLU's contention the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.The county display the ACLU sued over included the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the Magna Carta, the Star Spangled Banner, the national motto, the preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution and a picture of Lady Justice.________________________________________________________________________________LAW OF THE LAND1st Amendment 'doesn't createchurch-state wall of separation'Court whacks civil-liberties group,OKs Ten Commandments display________________________________________Posted: December 20, 20054:32 pm Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily.comA U.S. appeals court today upheld the decision of a lower court in allowing the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse display, hammering the American Civil Liberties Union and declaring, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Attorneys from the American Center for Law and Justice successfully argued the case on behalf of Mercer County, Ky., and a display of historical documents placed in the county courthouse. The panel voted 3-0 to reject the ACLU's contention the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.The county display the ACLU sued over included the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the Magna Carta, the Star Spangled Banner, the national motto, the preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution and a picture of Lady Justice.Writing for the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Richard Suhrheinrich said the ACLU's "repeated reference 'to the separation of church and state' ... has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Suhrheinrich wrote: "The ACLU, an organization whose mission is 'to ensure that ... the government [is kept] out of the religion business,' does not embody the reasonable person."The court said a reasonable observer of Mercer County's display appreciates "the role religion has played in our governmental institutions, and finds it historically appropriate and traditionally acceptable for a state to include religious influences, even in the form of sacred texts, in honoring American traditions."Francis J. Manion, counsel for the ACLJ, argued the case before both the 6th Circuit and the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky."This is a big victory for the people of Mercer County and Kentucky generally," Manion said. "For too long they have been lectured like children by those in the ACLU and elsewhere who claim to know what the people's Constitution really means. What the 6th Circuit has said is that the people have a better grasp on the real meaning of the Constitution; the court recognizes that the Constitution does not require that we strip the public square of all vestiges of our religious heritage and traditions."

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from Passafist wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I see NO MENTION of SEPARATION of Church and State, Only EXERCISE AND ESTABLISHMENT:The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" (the Establishment Clause) or that prohibit the free exercise of religion (the Free Exercise Clause),

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from Ben from Wisconsin wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that the primary concern on Field and Streams website is gun control,but here is what I see:-A day doesn't go by that there is not a major layoff announced in my state-I can barely afford health insurance for my family (and I am well educated and have a decent job)-Gas has never been more expensive than in the last year-Groceries have never been more expensive in the last year-For the first time in my (relatively short) adult life, I am afraid for my job and know I will make less this year than I did the year beforeI don't care if if a a trained cat was running for office in this election, it would get my vote over the Republican party. Despite the NRA's scare tactics to raise money, I don't believe for a second that either party is going to spend more than five minutes thinking about gun control. We have much bigger problems at the moment...

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Oh, and Bella Kaldera; the Communists would never have broken Obama. Why should they? He's have been one of them.Couldn't resist. Seriously, is your only reason for voting Obama to punish white people? White people are still 75% of America; hard to imagine anything that punishes that many people leaving you unhurt.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay: great quotes. Keep them coming.To A woman and Jackson, here's one from George Satayana; 'Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.'A person can SAY anything. There never was a liberal politician who did not become conservative as election day drew near. But Obama's voting record, and public record in Chicago and Illinois as well as his year in the Senate before he ran for president, is clear. He is the most liberal person ever to run for the presidency.MAYBE he was liberal all those Harvard, Chicago, Illinois state senate, and US Senate years just because of political expediency. MAYBE he hung with Jeremiah Wright for the same reason. Maybe he married a liberal for the same reason. MAYBE once he becomes president he'll read the Constitution and understand that the government is there to serve the people, not the other way around. Maybe.But I've never been surprised by a politician once I knew his or her history. Anyone can make a couple of mistakes. Or, do a couple of good things. But when someone shows a pattern of behavior over many years, that's who that person is.Obama has the added disadvantage of having no executive experience (chief executive?), no military experience (commander in chief?), no economic experience, and no international experience (except for having lived in a foreign country until he was six years old). Obama may be a good guy to have around (who would you rather have sell your used car for you?), but you cannot read his resume and even imagine he is qualified for the job of President of the US. I will hold my nose when I vote, but it absolutely be for McCain.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

AT THE DEM CONVENTION A FEW MINUTES AGO SEAN HANNITY ASKED MIKE DUKAKIS TO NAME OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THERE WAS LOTS OF UH'S AND AH'S AND DUKE REPEATED 3 TIMES HE WAS A GREAT LEGISLATURE IN THE ILLINOIS STATE GOV. THAT WAS ALL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN CAN SEE OBAMA'S AN EMPTY SUIT. WATCH HIM WHEN HE IS CAUGHT WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER. HE CAN'T EVEN THINK ON HIS FEET. THE PARTY THAT HAS VILIFIED GWB FOR HIS SPEAKING HAS BROUGHT FORTH AN EMPTY SUIT WITH A BIG VOICE.

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from Bella Kaldera wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

What the NRA says Obama says is not neccesarilly what Obama says. I would never trust the NRA to report the words of any liberal accurately. Personally, I'm only voting for Obama because I want to see all those fascist crackers shit. I trust Mcain far far less than Barak Obama. The North Vietnamese broke Mcain like a celluloid doll, I remember the statement Mcain read to the Moviecameras in Hanoi. He hadn't the will to resist and he still doesn't. He's no maverick and he was so quick to jump in bed with the Neocons who have dishonored our military (and yes I AM a vet!) by starting an unjust war to enrich themselves at the expense of the us taxpayer. I want to see all those bozos in Spandeau Prison for war crimes and broken international law. Perhaps Obama wouln't put the hammer down on those who have so blatently disregarded out constitution, but Mcain is certain to give them all "medals of Freedom" and we will still have our troops under fire in Falujah 50 years from now while we starve in our freezing houses for lack of something to burn.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Lets consider the source a zealous, myopic propaganda machine whose employment of artistic license borders on burlesque.Some of the material written and spoken about Obama is ludicrous and farcical; and most people are all to willing to slurp it off the floor in the alleyway they find it in."the masses have never thirsted after truth. They demand illusions, and cannot do without them. They constantly give what is unreal precedence over what is real; they are almost as strongly influenced by what is untrue as by what is true. They have and evident tendancy not to distinguish between the two."-FreudI'm afraid that under McCain our whole fire sale of public lands and subsidies to oil, natural gas, lumber, and cattle interests will continue. And "To what avail are forty freedoms without a blank spot on the map"-Aldo Leopold

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Great Article Dave, I will definitly not be voting for obama. He has had to many crazy influences and to many stupid ideas. McCain will do a great job as president.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Obama is the great black hope. If he is the best they can come up with perhaps they are looking in the wrong places. He is a racist by affiliation with church and spouse. He has come up with no new ideas or solutions to the many and varied problems facing our great nation, and he is ashamed of us. His solutions seem to be tax America into a third world country. God help us all if he is elected... of course he will immediately be assassinated and that's when the real shit will hit the fan.I've said it once and I'll say it again. Our country is changing fast. Scary fast. We were the leaders of the free world and now we have given it all away to try to impress those who are our enemies. They're only impressed at how stupid we have become.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

GrayReread what you wrote and I hope you feel proud of yourself. To vote against your own conscience just to spite others. I bet your wife finds you a gem.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

We are not a democracy, and we are a republic!And the 1st. amendment separates religion(church) and government.I absolutely will vote based an the rights expressed in the 2cd amendment.Obama comes from Chicago, the city with anti constitutional gun laws right now.Nuff said!

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from Arthur Papas wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Petzal,You are falling all over your jerking knee.Chill out.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

BeekeeperI’m no expert myself, but I do have the “Spirit of 1776’ !

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This great Nation was founded not on Democracy and it was never to be a Democratic State at all.Democracy is the beginning of Socialism and Communism.So what were the founder’s intensions if Democracy was not to be and I’m glad you asked my fellow Americans!This Great nation was founded on the Constitution to be a “Constitutional State, not a Democratic State! Bill of Rights and other document supporting including yes “The Holly Bible”.Holly Bible?! That’s Separation of Church and state?This statement Separation of Church and state is not in any place in the Constitution or Bill of Rights or any other document that is constitutional!When there was only 13 states, the Constitution and bill of Rights forbid the majority to tell a state how to worship or not to worship. Any person that uses this phrase doesn’t have a clue what they just said!So how did the phrase of “The Separation of Church and State “become to be?-Dresden James said it best,“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”As -Judge Learned Hand (1961) put it, I ask you the same question!“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no Law, no Court can save it...Where do you stand Citizen?”“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”-Thomas Jefferson

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from Scott wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bravo Clay!There was a small booklet printed by NRA way back during the '94 Revolution, called the Second Amendment Primer. It was an excellent tome on how to defeat the anti's with logic and Founding Father Wisdom. I gave two away but covet another. Hope to find one on ebay or something. Again, Bravo! Bravo!

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I knew that someone would toss that one in the ring. It is true Presidents have used executive orders since Washington. They are generally used as directives to department heads and in guiding laws which all too often have vague wording. They are sometimes (often?) used as in the case of Mr. Clinton, as a political threat. George W. got away with a big one in the case of the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. This was done in a time when people were receptive to such an order because nationally we were still in a "we need to do something about this" mode in revovery from the events of 9-11. See my previous remarks...Clay, I am not naive concerning presidential power. It is oft abused. Executive orders are still subject to oversight by congrees and can be removed congress willing by a 2/3 majority vote. That is supposedly where the poer of the people comes in.Oh, Clay we happen to have a Supreme Court which can and has weighed in on such issues. It is the third leg of our system of checks an balances and it worked fairly well in our recent much bally hooed D.C. decision.The President makes Supereme Court Appointments by the way... I don't want Mr. Obama to make any...

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from JOHN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay Cooper,Wow, excellent.Too much wisdom (and laugh out loud pieces) at one time, please dole it out in smaller doses.Your filing cabinet must be a real treasure trove!Thanks.johnll

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicide, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”-Ceasare Beccaria, 18th century criminologist, in On Crimes and Punishments“To disarm the people--that was the best and most effective way to enslave them.”-George Mason, founding father who led opposition to adoption of the US Constitution before the addition of the Bill of Rights“A free people ought [...] to be armed [...]”-George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790“Free men have arms; slaves do not.”-William Blackstone (1723-1780), English jurist and professor of common law at Oxford“The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.”-Andrew Fletcher (1655-1716), quoted by James Burgh (1714-1775), in "Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses," (London, 1774-1775)“There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.”-George Washington“Armed women deter rapists over 400 times each day.”-bumper sticker“Armed women equals polite men.”-Charles Curley“To disarm the people--that was the best and most effective way to enslave them.”-George Mason, founding father who led opposition to adoption of the US Constitution before the addition of the Bill of Rights“A free people ought [...] to be armed [...]”-George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790“Socialism is the same as Communism, only better English”-George Bernard Shaw“`She joined the Communist Party during the Depression, attracted by its support for social welfare programs like food subsidies, unemployment aid, and social security.' Today, of course, that's why people join the Democratic Party.”-from National Review, quoting the 2000-Jan-24 New York Times obituary of environmentalist Hazel Wolf“Hillary bothers me a lot. I realized the other day that her thoughts sound a lot like Karl Marx. She hangs around a lot of Marxists. All her friends are Marxists.”-Dick Armey, of Hillary Clinton“Democracy is the road to socialism.”-Karl Marx“When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right.”-Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), American socialist“The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it.”-Horatio Seymour“The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and, however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true to fact. The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right.”-Alexander Hamilton“Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to decide what's for lunch.”-Marshall Fritz“... the majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.”-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to P.S. Dupont De Nemours, 24 April 1816The story was also told of an English valet in the 1930's who used his evening off to attend Communist Party meetings. But one week, after a speech on redistribution of wealth, he defected from the Party -- and his employer asked him the reason for his change of heart. “Well, sir,” said the valet, “last Friday our speaker explained to us that if all the wealth were divided equally we would each have fifty pounds.”“What's wrong with that?” asked his employer.“Well, sir,” said the valet, “I've already saved fifty-five pounds.”-Kirk BrothersWe can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...that we forget about reality.”-President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, “NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful'” by Debbie HowlettI hope this feeds the spirit.What spirit you ask?“The Spirit of 1776”!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

BeekeeperExcuse me Sir :)It is true that the President does not make law?“I'll rule this country by executive order if Congress won't adopt my agenda.”-Bill Clinton, 1998-Jul-4

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Some of you people sadden me.1 Obama has voted strongly agaisnt guns in the past.2 He has never renounced those positions - he just quit talking about it.Now if you feel there are more important issues than guns thats reasonable and your right.But dont share the deluded drivel about how Obama changed. He hasnt even claimed to have changed.PS: Thers plenty of reasons to dislike McCain but his history on gun rights is a magnitude better than Obamas and just as important hes willing to say hell defend gun rights.

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Justyne,I stand corrected, and thank you for doing so without the rancor and vitriol so often on display hereabouts.The Right to Vote (for all) is addressed in several amendments to the Constitution.F.Y.I. an excellent website...http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/rightsof/vote.htmSome good insights into government here, although the page about the 2nd Amendment is under review???johnl

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

"This is what happened with Obama."I think Obama is full of beans. If he is on the side of the virtuous, now, with regard to the 2nd Amendment, then he should openly state and put in plain sight on his website that he feels that there should be no local government intrusions on the rights of law abiding individuals to keep and bear any firearm. If he and the Democratic Party adopt, as a plank on their platform, John McCain's policy statements as they pertain to the 2nd Amendment, then and only then will I trust Obama.McCain's got (my hold yer nose and) vote.

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from Gary wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll will proudly cast my ballot for BARRACK OBAMA just because the level to which people have stooped to discredit him is sickening.I don't understand why it is that we cannot have a civilized discussion in this country. Instead, we always resort to innuendo, ad hominem personal atacks, and petty name calling.A prime example of this is the way in which, and I have noticed this many times on this site, people purposely mispell the names (in derogatory ways) of those whom they disagree with. I was always taught that one should be proud of their name, and give everyone else the same respect.So as a form or protest against stupidity, I will vote for someone who is supposedly a Muslim; happened to go to a church that was run by an idiot (as if that was a unique occurence); whose wife might be a radical black nationalist; and might not even be a US citizen.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“The simple fact is that when I took up my little sling and aimed at Communism, I also hit something else. What I hit was the forces of that great socialist revolution, which, in the name of liberalism, spasmodically, incompletely, somewhat formlessly, but always in the same direction, has been inching its ice cap over the nation for two decades. This is not a charge. My opinion of that revolution is not at issue. It is a statement of fact that need startle no one who has voted for that revolution in whole or in part, and, consciously or unconsciously, a majority of the nation has so voted for years. It was the forces of that revolution that I struck at the point of its struggle for power.... No one could have been more dismayed than I at what I had hit, for though I knew it existed, I still had no adequate idea of its extent, the depth of its penetration or the fierce vindictiveness of its revolutionary temper, which is a reflex of its struggle to keep and advance its political power.”-Whittaker Chambers (born Vivian Jay Chambers in 1901, Soviet agent turned right wing Christian activist, and exposer of Soviet agent, trusted aide to FDR, and UN co-architect, Alger Hiss), 1952

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is true that the President does not make law. He however is the one who signs them into law or has the power to veto them. It is then the onus of our representatives in govenrment to over ride said veto with a 2/3 majority vote.If we have the anticipated sweeping take over of the house and senate by our liberal party and a president from the same our system of checks and balances has just gone the way of... well you get the point.McCain with all of his stench, ill temperment and memory lapses is still better than no check and balance at all...The recent supreme court decision is no guarantee against "reasonable" constraints on our 2nd amendment rights. Reasonable constraints include exceptionally high taxes and fees, licensing (along with license fees), limits on types and quantities of firearms owned, ammo restrictions etc...At present we have an 11% tax in the form of the Pittman-Robinson Act. I do not object to this at all as it does much good. The NRA touts a possible 500% tax on firearms. A mere 50% tax on a $1000 gun would rais its price to $1500. On one of Dave's left hand beauties with the $5000 tag is up to $7500. Only Dave would be able to afford to buy a gun!!!!In my life time I have seen creeping gun control and "reasonable" constraints dictate magazine capacity, ammo availability, bullet type, registration requirements, no carry zones etc.But what I fear the most is that god forbid, some idiot with a gun will take a shot at or take out either candidate. Then my friends our enemies we will have a precident and "clear" need to inact more "reaonable" controls...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.”-Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the Los Angeles Times, 1992-Oct-15, commenting on the response of the Japanese public to government corruption

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from Cla Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Forgive me Dave for tossing "RED MEAT"!“But I don't want to defend myself.”-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”-President Woodrow Wilson

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Food for thought I'm still looking for historical statements“A government establishment so profligate that it thinks nothing of throwing its best people onto bonfires of its own making will likely, over time, burn down to nothing.”-Daniel Henninger, in the Wall Street Journal, 2007-Mar-15, “The Walter Reed Fiasco: The Army fired the one guy who can fix it.”“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy, 1962

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

JBUG308STAND BY!

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from JBUG308 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

WELL DONE CLAY COOPER!BTW, Justyne - please show us where in the constitution or Bill of Rights that we have a "right" to vote!

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from Richard wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'm not particularly thrilled by either of the major candidates, but Obama really is downright scary. His qualifications are about the same as those for a sophomore class president (and I don't mean college-level), and his attraction to voters is more like that of a rock star than a leader. (And he's attracting about the same kind of people.)McCain, however, is almost as scary, given that constitutional disaster know as "McCain-Feingold...". Otherwise, he definitely is the lesser of two evils. But I can find no other party's candidates who are any better than these two. Even Bob Barr leaves me wondering.I feel like Diogenes, looking in vain for an honest man.

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is a great concern that Mr. Obama makes decisions based on a lack of knowledge or understanding. The fact that he is cunning enough to change or modify those positions after being publicly educated is even less reassuring, and does not mean that he has changed his opinion.It only means that he wants to be elected so he can enforce his opinions. Add book bans to the list and where in Europe and Asia have you seen similar positions?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“It is important that you do not say that you [are] calling because the campaign asked you to, but because you are outraged with what was said about her.”-campaign aide to Hillary Clinton, in a ca. 2000-Jul-19 bulk email asking the candidate's supporters to protest allegations that Clinton had once used the phrase “#ucking Jew bastard” in anger

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Our more senior bloggers correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s precedence here in the ’52 and ’56 Elections. A friend of mine wrote,"… [Two] Adlai Stevenson contests against Eisenhower with approximately same results; Obama will be lucky to get a 100 electoral votes….....Stevenson too, was the original Left Wing, Progressive, "egghead" coined by Joe Alsop. Very talented, very bright, Progressive running against a war hero and very much involved in a stalemate, unpopular war with Korea in the 1st (1952) election.Economy was slow but being pushed by military industrial complex that even Eisenhower warned against. Mainstream Dems wanted Harriman but Left faction won out. Result: absolutely crushed in 52 & 56. Progressive movement never recovered. Then, as now, mainstream Dems were so pissed they voted for Ike instead of the egghead.”Guess we'll have to watch the show, Folks.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”-Patrick Henry, from “Against the Federal Constitution”, 1788-Jun-5“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”-Ben Franklin“The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.”-John Hay, 1872“Facts must be distorted, relevant circumstances concealed, and a picture presented which by its crude coloring will persuade the ignorant people that their Government is blameless, their cause is righteous, and that the indisputable wickedness of the enemy is beyond question.A moment's reflection would tell any reasonable person that such obvious bias cannot possibly represent the truth. But the moment's reflection is not allowed; lies are circulated with great rapidity. The unthinking mass accept them and by their excitement sway the rest.The amount of rubbish and humbug that pass under the name of patriotism in wartime in all countries is sufficient to make decent people blush when they are subsequently disillusioned.”-Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime, 1928“the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”-J. Edgar Hoover, 1956, speaking of communism“I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.”-Thomas Jefferson“That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves.”Thomas Jefferson“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993“the purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people”-Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”-Dresden James“We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”-George Orwell“In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”-George Orwell“To ignore the evidence, and hope that it cannot be true, is more an evidence of mental illness.”-William Blase“The best time to buy is when blood is running in the streets.”-Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.”-Voltaire“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the right of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”-Thomas Jefferson“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”-George Orwell“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”-George Mason“It is not the function of government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.”-US Supreme Court, 339 US 382,447“I'll rule this country by executive order if Congress won't adopt my agenda.”-Bill Clinton, 1998-Jul-4“One man with courage makes a majority.”-Andrew Jackson“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”-Daniel WebsterHave a NICE DAY!

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from Justyne wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Just exactly what do you people think the NRA is for? Their main claim to fame over the last 30 years has been the constant fight to support our 2d Amendment against the politicians who don't trust us with guns, but would never step outside without their armed bodyguards. I have been a member off and on (when I can afford it) for about 10 years. When I am a member I simply choose American Hunter instead of First Freedom. The fewer people who subscribe to FF the more likely they are to remember that we aren't all into being beaten over the head with the fact that there are anti-gunners out there. The last time I dropped my membership was when they dropped their women's magazine. It was intelligently written and well balanced, unlike some of the drivel coming from some other club magazines I've had.BTW John, your sentiment is correct, your statement isn't. Voting is a right, just like owning and carrying a firearm is a right. But ALL rights come with responsibilities.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”-Abraham Lincoln

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from ricefarm wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

By the way, Jackson, what was it last night when Obama thought he was in St. Louis, when he was actually in Kansas City? Alzheimers, or is he just stupid? This guy has more episodes of foot-in-mouth disease on the campaign trail than George Bush ever had, it just doesn't get reported and hammered the same way for Obama. You Tube is full of hilarious Obama gaffes and mistatements. The only thing the guy has been consistent about is being firmly on both sides of nearly every issue. What a leader!

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from Phillip wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen, Jackson.I don't much care for any politician or candidate, but folks, marching in lockstep with the NRA propaganda machine is just as bad as the "peta-philes" falling back on their own misinformation machine.None of the issues on that "ten point list" were clear-cut, nor were they all quite as full of evil intent as the NRA spin doctors made them out to be. Add to that the fact that Obama, like a majority of other city-born and bred politicians, had no clue what went on in the world of shooting and hunting... and the fact that, as Jackson points out above, once the complications are spelled out he was interested in re-addressing his stance... well, it's not quite as damning a pictureIt's crap like this that every year makes me reconsider my membership in the NRA. I've hung tough so far, but dammit folks... can't we do better?As far as the election, I'm pretty danged scared, not because I think Obama will win (odds are in his favor, like it or not), but because I think we're going to see another sweep of liberals throughout Washington, and many of them ARE a very real threat to our right to keep and bear arms.The President is not the legislature nor the judicial branch... they are the ones who make and uphold the laws of this land. Sure, the President can advance his agenda, but I just don't see gun control being real high on his priority list. No, the threat is in the other two houses...

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from ricefarm wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Barack Obama got "educated" on technical issues involving guns, abortion, the church he attended for 20 years, etc when he decided to run for President. I am with Petzal in believing this election is as easy a choice as we have had in my adult life. Anyone ignorant or uninformed enough to vote for Obama will get what they deserve, maybe what they want.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I’ll be watching tonight’s Democratic Convention to see if there will be a coup de tat by the Clintonites during the role call.IMHO it also gives an idea how the two Radical Left factions are fighting to control Democratic Party….and what’s in store for the average American if there’s a shift in the White House to this particular Lot. The idea of a clean sweep by the Democrats in this election….well, it gives me shivers.

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from Jackson Landers wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Obama backed off of the vast majority of the ignorant bills he'd supported in the Illinois state Senate after he got to Washington and had people (NRA and others) explain the technical issues that he'd been ignorant of before.Most advocacy for gun control comes from basic ignorance of technical facts about guns. Explain those facts to intelligent people patiently and politely and they will usually end up agreeing with us. This is what happened with Obama.If we are not prepared to welcome those who have been educated into supporting many of our positions, then we are screwed.Meanwhile, I've been watching Wayne LaPierre condemn John McCain in the pages of American Rifleman for many years now. The idea that this guy who we'd all agreed is anti-gun is suddenly a knight in shining armor for gun owners is ridiculous.Neither of these guys is a life-long supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but neither of them is looking to make any big changes to gun laws either. With the Heller vs. DC decision to protect us, it's hard to see a serious case for why gun-owners should support one over the other.Personally, I'll be voting for the guy who isn't showing all the symptoms of early stages of Alzheimers disease. John McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, couldn't remember what kind of car he drives and thought that Vladimir Putin was the President of Germany. At the age of 72, the word for that is 'senile.' America must not risk putting a senile, mentally incompetent man at the helm of the world's greatest superpower. I don't know how much protection from anti-gunners that anyone is expecting from a man who will probably be wearing Depends and wandering the halls in his pajamas within 4 years.

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from JOHN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

To: A womanVery good drive-by sniping."base my decision on tabloid fodder and rumor"."Perhaps I'll look at the issues and see where they stand".??????????????WTF?Where have you been?HEY, their positions are plain.John McCain has been in the Senate and in public for many years.His voting records and speeches are public record.I do not agree with everything he's said and done, and disagree strongly with many, but he's one of the two choices available.Barack Obama has been in the Senate for less than one term. His big claims to fame are that he made a good speech at the last convention and that he was against the Iraq war (well, he wasn't even in the Senate at that time, so what a BOLD statement)...and oh, yeah the media likes his wife. And he's a DEMOCRAT. (Hint...no he isn't, he's a Socialist, just listen to him)."Perhaps there's stuff we just don't know about the man".If you don't have enough information to make a decision, either get busy and find out, or please stay home on election day.Voting is not a right, it's a responsibility.johnl

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from Matt in MN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I’m surprised more level headed people like Dave agree with the NRA on this. I guess I’ll have to take a more in depth look. I’m pretty undecided on the presidential candidates so far. Neither candidate excites me, I’m just glad Billery is out!!I usually dismiss those crazy, howling, blabbering political articles in my NRA magazine as just so much horse sh!t. Am I the only one that holds their nose each year when they send their check to the NRA? I know they’re a necessary evil, but good grief. The recent article about lead in venison was laughable. Gee, Minnesota was foolish to throw out some venison that had lead it in, and order more studies, but Iowa did the prudent thing by testing TEN samples and deciding it was all safe. WOW. I’m definitely a reluctant NRA member. I figure I send in my money so they can offset the likes of Rosie O’Donnell.

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from A woman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Jes,Hope you don't call your spouse the thing McCain calls his.I am undecided, but certainly am not going to base my decision on tabloid fodder and rumor. Perhaps I'll look at the issues and see where they stand.On a side note, I have a very close friend who was a POW at the same time as McCain. This guy hates him and would not vote for him. Perhaps there's stuff we just don't know about the man. Who knows?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I really don't see how this election can even be close. Am I that out of touch or are we about to see a new definition of the word landslide? The talking heads never seem to have a clue so what I see on television doesn't bother me. A man with Muslim ties when we are involved in a "Holy War" with the Muslims whose lifelong minister is as anti-American as they come and there are people out there who will actually vote for him to run our country? Seems that so called content of character really was a dream...

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Im glad to see you coming to your senses about poor naive Barack.On the other hand I do find it disgusting that to ensure my gun rights year after year I have to vote for some one whom I disagree with on both health care and taxes.

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from jes wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen, Dave! And Amen NRA! I have a great deal of concern for Obama's "inner character", as well as his gun background. His past Muslin upbringing and family ties as well as his choise inpastors speaks to what I know of how a persons past influences the choises he makes in the future. And when the future of the country is at stake....need I say more?

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,Very well stated.Senator McCain was not my first choice either, but the difference between the choices are vast.johnl

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from Max wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I was born and raised England and have seen Liberal Politions of every kind, but this guy scares me not because of what he believes but of what his "Fans" not supporters believe. I have neighbours that support him that believe that the CIA and Isreal bombed the world trade center. In England hunting is an Elite sport for the rich and they still get to hunt there even with all the Gun Legislation. What happens with anti gunners is they just end up making hunting and shooting so expensive it becomes a rich mans sport. Please VOTE against Obama if you don't like Mcain.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 28 weeks ago

Just heard about a very scary backroom deal made by Obama to get Hillary's support, and this is no joke, its too disturbing to be a joke. For Hillary's support of O'bama, he will name her to the Supreme Court! For Hillary thats better than being president because now she can truly be king which is what she wanted all along.At her age how many years would America suffer?

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Daniel Cooper,Please take a moment and list for me all the good things Obama has done 'cause I can't think of any. And how come we never see anyone in the news that claims to have known or worked with this empty suit. This guy had 143 days experience in the senate before he announced for Prez. In that time he voted present over 100 times. I guess yes or no was too hard for him.

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from Daniel Cooper wrote 5 years 31 weeks ago

Hey Petzl-I came across the NRA attack piece while shooting metal silhouettes last week--and my reaction was exactly the opposite. I was shocked that the NRA continues to publish characterizations of politicians like those in the magazine without any supporting facts. I went to the link in your article--and each of the "citations" stretches reality completely beyond recognition. I like your articles, I think you apply the basic rules of journalism to your gun writing, and you do not seem stupid--so do your due diligence before you endorse this kind of thing. Read the NRA piece critically please. For example, voting against Scalia and Thomas does not mean one is against the second amendment, but instead that the Constitution has something to do with protecting our freedoms. And failing to sign on to an NRA brief filed in Federal Court means only that Obama doesn't support the NRA--which not matter what NRA fundraisers say, is not the same thing as opposing gun ownership.Something else that is missing here is the Republican Party's attack on the environment. Hunters are some of the biggest environmentalists I know--and yet many support the most radical anti-environmental wing of the Republican Party. Your magazine has noted some of the more egregious selloffs by the Department of the Interior. McCain and particularly Palin represent a virulent brand of anti-conservationism. Yet you are buying (and selling) the false choice retailed by the NRA and the Republicans--that you must accept this smash and grab of our resources to keep your gun rights. This is crap. Obama will not, and in fact could not, take away our guns. But there is no question that 4 more years of Republicans will wreak havoc on hunting and fishing.

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from Bella wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Well Dr. Ralph, It wasn't the left that brought this country to these straights, It was the Right. I'm not afraid of the left, I've never had any reason to be afraid of the Left, even when I was in uniform in Korea with "communists"across the DMZ. It's the Right that scares me, as it has since I was a kid forced to sit through John Birch Society propaganda after enduring another Mormon "sacrament" meeting. The Right is founded on hate and fear and authoritarianism and those decidedly right wing neocons have showed us how much they respect the constitution by all those signing statements issued by George W when the laws as written and passed don't suit him. Do you like having government that abuses your trust? Do you like having government that holds more persons in incarceration than any other country on earth? How many people are you willing to pay to keep imprisoned? More than 400 persons were arrested on "suspicion" at the RNC convention. One nationally known news commentator(Amy Goodman) was arrested just for asking to speak to a commander and charged with "interfereing with a peace officer". She had credentials to be there, even on the convention floor, and since when is it a crime to ask an officer what his name and badge number is much less"who is your commander". This is gestapo tactics, Imagine yourself in this position and how will you keep your guns if Homeland security decides to trump up charges against you? They'll kick your door in as soon as mine...This stuff is happening now, and as far as I know Barak Obama isn't in office yet, so who is ordering this trashing of all our American principles, (It ain't Hillary).

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Thanks for the posts Clay! They almost make me cry when I realize what ideals this country was founded upon and what it has become... the saddest part is hundreds of thousands of men have died to protect these freedoms and a simple stroke of a pen by some left wing A hole can erase it all.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

“The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.”-Andrew Fletcher (1655-1716), quoted by James Burgh (1714-1775), in "Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses," (London, 1774-1775)“There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.”-George WashingtonI truly believe that theByproduct of War isPEACE!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Back in 94 I was at 29 Palms for a NRA sanctioned High Power Match and talking to a group of my Hero Marines. If they all didn’t say the same story I probably would have called it a rumor and what they said was chilling. President Clinton asked the top Marine General if he would support a door to door search for a nationwide firearm confiscation in the United States. In a nut shell he told Slick Willy to go pack sand!“America has many more guns than England, and a lower violent crime rate. Switzerland has many more guns than Germany, and a lower violent crime rate. England had much less crime in 1900, when the nation had no gun laws, than it does in 2000, when England has some of the most repressive gun laws in Europe. Gun prohibition leads to boldness by criminals, and passivity by the innocent - and therefore to many more violent crimes committed against the innocent.”-David B. Kopel, in an interview with Carlo Stagnaro for Zola Times 2000-Oct-23“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378“Both oligarch and tyrant mistrust the people, and therefore deprive them of their arms.”-Aristotle, "Politics"“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)“Facts must be distorted, relevant circumstances concealed, and a picture presented which by its crude coloring will persuade the ignorant people that their Government is blameless, their cause is righteous, and that the indisputable wickedness of the enemy is beyond question.A moment's reflection would tell any reasonable person that such obvious bias cannot possibly represent the truth. But the moment's reflection is not allowed; lies are circulated with great rapidity. The unthinking mass accept them and by their excitement sway the rest.The amount of rubbish and humbug that pass under the name of patriotism in wartime in all countries is sufficient to make decent people blush when they are subsequently disillusioned.”-Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime, 1928

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Mr. Smith: CORRECT! That was the reason why even my humble self, a foreigner, joined the NRA as a life member. If legal gun ownership is getting more and more restricted, perhaps even to the point where it's virtually outlawed, with the 2nd Amendment eventually declared invalid and/or interpreted differently (damn, how could it ever be interpreted other than what it clearly states?), then ALL law-abiding gun owners worldwide will have a HUGE problem.Former U.N. ambassador, Mr. John Bolton, said that the vast majority of governments of U.N. member states, many of them being either marxistic/communist or outright dictatorships, greatly fear legal gun ownership by civilians. Sadly, that also includes a number of rather solid democracies as well...To all gun owners who constantly search for and find excuses not to join the NRA, I can only say: shame on you. Remember, it's not about guns, it's about freedom and liberty.

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from Mr. Smith wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

To all those who fault the NRA I must state. YOU HAVE FIREARMS FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY!! THAT REASON IS THE NRA. LET ME REPEAT THAT YOU HAVE FIREARMS DUE TO THE VIGILANCE OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. THEY MAY BE A LITTLE OVER-THE-TOP AT TIMES, BUT THEY ARE THE ONLY THING STANDING BETWEEN YOU AND YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. IF YOU CAN'T SEE THIS THEN YOUR A FOOL.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Hey Yooper!You crack me up, man.LOL

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Amen, Milton!

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from Bella wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Right on Mike! Our nation and our freedom is based not on corporate malfeasance but on our Constitution and our bill of rights! When I wore the uniform and saluted the flag THAT was what I was serving and the antics of corrupt neocons leave me in a state of disgust. I am a hunter,a fisherwoman and a Field and Stream suscriber. I should not have to change my liberal principles to hunt or suscribe to a magazine. As a liberal who believes in the righ6t to keep and bear arms the NRA should be wooing me, so I can then influence Democrats in office rather than trying to get me to support men I have seen to be corrupt. All this puppykibble dissing Obama smells as rank as it gets to me. I want singlepayer health care because I am damn tired of the extortion we suffer under private HMOs set up to deny us choice in our own care. Obama has said he wasn't going to take away my legal registered guns or my Ltc AND he hasn't lied to me yet like those other people. I cannot understand why any American would support politicians who have proved as venial, nepotistic and faithless as George and his playmates have turned out to be. I also get tired of reactionaries masquerading as "conservatives" when so many of the policies promoted conserve nothing and only enrich a greedy few who care nothing for their fellow citizens. The last time I posted someone called it "spam" content (likely because I wrote something pithy). My points here are the same, if my language is more sedate. Unless we act this year to protect freedom by voting in men who will respect our Constitution our freedom will be lost to the corporate oligarchy, and that will be fascism. Vote for Obama, Not 4 more years of neocon conspiracy!

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"I love my guns and want to keep them. But I love my country more."What is "my country" if it is not the Constitution? What is the Constitution if the Bill of Rights is not timeless and inalienable? And what is the Bill of Rights if a candidate feels license to pick and choose among which rights he will defend or offend?"My country" isn't worth a ham sandwich without the Bill of Rights, and the Bill of Rights isn't worth the same without the 2nd Amendment. Although I have voted democratic in every Presidential election since 1984, Sen. Obama will not have my support.

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from Milton Burton wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I notice that Brendan from Australia called part of our Bill of RIghts Garbage. I would like to take this opportunity to tell him to kiss my Texas ass.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

In an effort to present a fair and balanced look at the economy, I refer to the following from the Associated Press:This Labor Day finds workers in worse shape than they've been in years, according to a scorecard released Monday by Rutgers University.In its first national labor scorecard, the Rutgers School of Management and Labor Relations said more than 10 percent of Americans are unemployed, discouraged from seeking work or underemployed. That is a nearly 25-percent increase from one year earlier.The Rutgers labor scorecard offered other sobering findings:-- About 530,000 were subject to mass layoffs in the last year, growth of nearly 5 percent, but a lower rate than five and 10 years ago.-- The median weekly earnings for American workers have not grown in real terms over the last eight years.-- At $6.55, the federal minimum wage is worth 40 cents less per hour, in inflation-adjusted dollars, than it was a decade ago.-- While employer-assisted childcare and employee wellness programs have grown quickly over the last decade, they still cover less than one quarter of American workers.-- Roughly 4 percent of the workforce wants to work full-time, but is working part time because they can't find full-time work.Full link here:http://timesunion.com/AspStories/storyprint.asp?StoryID=716781

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Mike Reeder; very well put,my hat is off to you, sir. Amen & Amen.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. B,It's not a smear to accurately recount something and it's not puffing anyone up to accurately describe what they've done.As for W, he inherited a recession, had the country and its financial center hit by a terrorist attack before his chair was even warm, and eight years later, even though everyone expected the other shoe to fall fast, we have not suffered another major terrorism attack, we have deposed two tyranical regimes that had been state sponsors of terror, we have had seven years of uninterrupted economic growth in every quarter, the average unemployment rate has been 5.7 percent -- exactly the average of the Clinton years, when nothing grew until the new GOP congress passed capital gains tax cuts after 1994-- and despite all the talk of a housing crisis 96-percent of all mortgages (99.9999% outside California) are solid as a rock. Gasoline prices have gone up, but not to even half the level they are in Eurupe, where tax and regulation policies are similar to what Obama wants to impose here. Those are facts. Now you can do with those facts anything you care to. You can check them out, you can deny them, or you can stuff them anywhere you like where the sun doesn't shine. I'm willing to have an intelligent exchange with anyone who is willing to listen to reason and able to acknowledge the truth, but when it comes to some ideologically-driven, leftwing, wailing loon I've got better things to do -- starting right now.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Why do you hate George W. Bush so much mr.b? I think he's one of the most patriotic presidents we've had in along time. The last democtratic president we had was the one who signed the free trade agreement and sent all our jobs overseas. McCain and the republicans are the ones who are truly bringing around change. W hired a woman, Condelezza Rice as our secretary of state. She's the third most powerful person in w's staff. McCain is choosing another woman,Mrs. Palin to be his vice-president, the second most powerful person in his upcoming Presidency. The Democrats choose Obama as their cantidate over hillary who had 8 years of presidential experience and he snubs her for Joe Biden, a career polititian who can't vote on a topic the same twice. Where's the change man??

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Reederfunny how you smear and disallow someone who spent endless hours working with the low-life's, (recently unemployed, underemployed), while puffing up the career of someone you like.Palin was a mayor of a one stop-sign town in Alasaka. You talk about Obamas' inexperience?"W" was hailed as a Washington outsider too, and a Gov. God help us all if she is as "qualified" as he.To steal a line---Is she ready to lead?

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Mike, please do not confuse Mr. B with the facts. He seems to work best without any information, just like his candidate.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. B.What exactly do you think a senator does? How many of them have you met or worked with? I've been around a bunch of them and had to work with them for five years. I have some respect for some of them, particularly those few who came to office with some accomplishment outside gvt, and for the very few I've met who didn't act like Olympian demigods towing an entourage of professional fawners. However, the fact is that Senators don't do much more than endlessly bloviate while confusing it with action and accomplishment. Dirk Kempthorne, who was a Senator from Idaho before he became its governor, said he had to make more real decisions in one week as a governor than he did in a year as a senator. In Obama's case, he was a senator for one year before he became a full-time candidate for President. Before that, he served a couple of years in the state senate where his legislative accomplishments are as barren as they have been in the U.S. Senate. Before that, he was a "community activist," whatever the hell that is, who left no lasting footprints in the community. Obama's own running mate could only offer up a nuclear proliferation bill as his boss's best accomplishment in the U.S. Senate. In fact, that bill was about as important as a declaration honoring the boys scouts. It passed on an unrecorded voice vote and was immediately set aside to collect dust. His only real accomplishment was managing to get his autobiography published after doing nothing more than passing law school. Sarah Palin by contrast has at least built something and run something. She and her husband created a business and worked it with their own hands. She has spent 13 years in elective office, which is about three times longer than Obama, and as a mayor and governor she has been responsible for actually doing things and accountable for her actions. As governor she has cut property taxes, substantially reduced state spending and passed genuine ethics reforms that turned that state's culture on its head. Meanwhile, she was raising a family, including a kid on his way to Iraq and a baby she chose to have knowing it had Down's syndrome. She's a real hunter (her parents had to interrupt a caribou hunt today to see her on TV), a gun owner and from everything I know about her she's tough as nails. If she's unqualified to be number two what the Hell does that say about the clown the Democrats have chosen to be number one? Just to be fair, Obama was also Pres. of the Harvard Law Review. Too bad he never wrote a single article or anything else that wasn't about himself.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i wonder how our men and women in uniform serving overseas will feel when they come back and obama has taken their guns and melted them down. thanks guys, welcome home!

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Well, DP, if you wanted to start a rant, you sure succeeded. I love it that this debate has not been one-sided at all, and a lot of it has been pretty damn articulate: pour it on, guys and gals, this is what makes our country great. Is this going to be a great season for the Gun Nut or what?

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Protect us from whut?Ay-Rabs?

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

james ti,Dems,libs,antis are always on the outer fringes spewing hate like the green apple squirts. They never really leave, they need us to protect them.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I think McCain's choice of a running mate is completly "Maverick McCain",a highly smart move that no one expected and one that the democrats really cannot run down or they'll risk losing Hillary's pants suit supporters.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i thought mr. b said he was leaving.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

When November rolls around, we gonna throw darts at the President side. With all the great people in the US, why did we end up with these two. It's as if out Vote meant zilt. Like him/her or not, but when Bush leaves and teh new guy sit in the Oval office, we gonna say, why did I not vote for Hillary in the primary. No way the 2 we got to choose from can do l/10th of their promishes Hilly will appear to be a Saint compard to the two yo-yo's. Talked to my gun dealer today, he advised me to buy up all the Ammo I planned to use in next 10 yrs or either begin reloading and buy the stuff needed.He says, a19% increase will take fffect in Sept????? I don;t know, but did buy some 06 Res. Scricco's and 270's, & Wincheser Ballastic for the 25-06. At73 got a good supply I hope. No one is gonna take my guns with out a fight, also, they gotta find them first. Vote in NOV. it's one of the last chances we got, regardless of vale or not. With the Electroal Vote and S Court, lttle can we do.Mark my word, Clinton wll godown in history as one of the best Pres. we've had in 30 yrs and Bush the Worst since HOOVER. Finally got licenses out West on rejected tags, so will go last of Oct. if able. Feel sure at 73 tthis is my last wester trip and cost are out of sight. Now only the Rich can afford to hunt ( and I'm far from rich, if had it to do over would save my $ and hunt here). ust love the Rockies and the sound of a Bull will completely ruine you for life. I can already here them buggling 2800 miles away. Now to mount a scope on the MArlin XL7 270, zero and dble check my 700 CLD in 06As shots where I hunt can be near 500 yds. 200 would be a dream shot. So shoot often and straight.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I thought the forum pillars framing Obama was a nice touch. :-)

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Did I pee in the lemonade? 'Scuse me.

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

THANK YOU Gman!Yeah, Palin has REAL EXPERIENCE! Just like George Bush! A Governor, who doesn't just talk about things, like a senator does! Gimme a break Reeder!G-man, now I know that I'm not the only person here that doesn't sit on their brains!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Gman,I didn't say Obama was Mao, Lenin, or Hitler, although I would never doubt his ambitions. I merely said the imagery was both striking and unsettling, which it was. You would think a candidate who had already cost himself support with that Triumph of the Will recreation in Berlin would have had enough sense not to repeat the same mistake so quickly. But then it's hard to see your own mistakes when you're blinded by hubris.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I love that Reeder rhetoric!Mao, Lenin and Hitler!Mission accomplished! Nice flightsuit, Incurious George! No stagecraft here! Just good old-fashioned patriotism!Sign me up for the re-education camp.Every time I feel uncomfortable about the possibility of evolution, I am reassured by the vast majority of posts here that demonstrate no evidence thereof. Unfortunately, there is goshdarned little evidence of any intelligent design in much of what you entertaining gentlemen say, either.Say, do you fellas ignore Labor Day, it being a Commie holiday and all?

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey Yoop send that in to Readers Digest you might get $25!

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

His name's Barack ObamaDon't ever call him HusseinCause if you use that monnikeryour career is down the drainThe man's a total idiotto that we can attestWe really need a black manbut we can't afford the bestThe guy started out by dancingI think he really looked coolBut when we vote for PresidentWe don't need a dancing fool!YooperJack

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Some observations: 1. Exactly in what respect have Clay's quotes been taken out of context? Looks like more empty headed remarks a la Mr. Obama. 2. For those who think Mr. Obama does not screw up a lot, when not scripted, go to utube. 3.I for one am glad the irrational who do not live in this country cannot vote here, yet. 4.Exactly how are the tax paying people of this country going to afford to be taxed at an even greater rate to support the growing and soon to be majority who do nothing to support this country and only take for what they seem to believe is their right to be supported, citizen or not. Oh, I do not believe you will find that right in the Constitution either 5. Brendan, I think you should join Gary on that bridge Clay referred to. 6. I think it is time to do some scouting while we still can.

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am convinced that most contributers to this site couldn't run a one car funeral procession. You still have an idiot here who is still trying to convince us that Saddam was responsible for 9-11. Like I would take advice from you Dr. Ralph. My vote will cancel yours in Nov.DP, it's been real..........adios

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I think Palin is a home run. Re. experience, there are different kinds of experience. One, Obama himself has no more elective experience, zero executive experience and zero experience in anything outside politics, and he's at the HEAD of the ticket. She has only been a governor for a couple of years, but she is the only candidate with executive experience (also mayor and head of the state oil and gas commission), which means unlike Senators who TALK about things she's actually had to do things and be responsible for taking action. She is an expert on oil and gas which makes her the most well-versed candidate in this race on one of the most important issues. She also brings life experience Obama does not possess. One, she's a mother of five, including an eldest who is a soldier bound for Iraq and a youngest who is a Down's syndrome baby. She has actually worked for a living, which neither Obama nor Biden has ever done, and has personal experience as a wife and mother that Obama and Biden belittle at their mortal peril. Of course, they immediately did belittle her choice, which had to be the most tone deaf, stupid thing they've done in at least the past five minutes. More to the point of this forum, she's a life member of the NRA and has been a hunter since she was a little girl. As for how she compares to the other VP nominee, Biden is a gaseous buffoon born with a sneer on his face who has never stood on a principle long enough to leave a footprint. Some pundits said Biden brought "gravitas" to the ticket. He brings seniority, but he wouldn't bring an ounce of gravitas if he served a thousand more years. The Obama campaign says it looks forward to seeing her debate Biden. So do I.As for that Obama speech last night, I don't think it really helped him. I couldn't stand to watch the whole damned thing -- I've got short patience for hearing that we're losing a war we're winning, that an economy that just grew by 3.3% is in shambles, that there's a gvt. program waiting for every perceived problem that exists, that 9-11 must have never happened because it was never mentioned and that federal money evidently falls from the sky since the subject of spending never came up. Mostly, everything was relentlessly negative -- including his view of America -- and he showed no grace toward the other side at all. Every time they took the wide shot with him on the big screen it looked just like those pictures of Lenin, Mao and Hitler that used to be featured at their various rallies and parades. He'll probably get a short bump just off the mostly adoring media coverage, but I think most middle-Americans who watched that thing came away a little unsettled if not a little scared -- and for good reason.

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from Matt wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

As an aside: Having been through the Naval Aircrewman Candidate School, SERE School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance & Escape) - which at that time had the ONLY naval enlisted man to be a POW teaching how the Vietnamese coerced POW's, I was taught that no man can hold out against torture - John Wayne would have broken like a matchstick- the goal was to give as little as possible, then bounce back for the next time. John McCain has my utmost respect for surviving such treatment.

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from CJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

All you Obamanists and bleeding Liberal lovers of Joe Biden better learn to play golf if your candidate gets elected. Or better yet, backyard horseshoes because you won't be able to afford green fees after the tax increases and economic impacts thereof.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

i spent 13 years in alaska. give sara palin a chance. you will be very pleasantly suprised! she will not back down and will take no crap. she is also very smart and does well with leadership. get to know her and be prepared! good pick for mccain!

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sarah Palin is an OUTSTANDING choice. Just read her bio, and I hope you got to hear her speak.She talked about what she believes, not a bunch of empty promises.You libs ....ah, what the heck, you won't listen anyway.johnl

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from coach ike wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

anyone who gets the job should spend MORE time on the subjects that matter like illegal immigration, our poor ass economy, the war which is completely out of control and less time on people who respect, abide by the law. leave our 2nd ammendment rights alone!!!

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from Frank wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is a horrible pick. He is 72 years old and puts all of us in danger with this kind of VP if something happens to him. I am voting OBAMA/BIDEN !!!

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This isn't a BTW for McCain. It's a WTF????The Dems gotta love this. She won't take a single Hillary vote from Obama. Hillary voters don't tend to cross party lines to go anti-choice.Wayne called. Looks like he's gonna need more lunch money when this is over. Write a check today.

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from Donny wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I love my guns and want to keep them. But I love my country more. And I'll be damned if I'm voting for another Republican.As Obama said, Enough!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

McCain made a good pick. Surprised the Dems and GOP Establishments. Where do his critics go from here?BTW he just stole the Democrats' Fire.I doubt Obama will get over 100 electro votes.

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from Steve S wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Her pick completely undercuts his argument of Barack being inexperienced. She was the mayor of a town with 6700 residents. And only a first term governor. And since he is as old as time, there is a real chance she could become Prez. A president of a large university has more experience then a mayor of a town of 6700 people.This is like when W nominated Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court.This is a strange pick in my mind...??

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I don't think so, Jim. It looks like a very good move to me. She's pro-2nd amendment, pro-life, younger than BHO, has more executive-level experience than anybody else on either ticket, popular in her home state where she has done a lot to clean up corruption. She will pull some Hillary voters to the McCain ticket, and puts a new face on the Republican party, which has been pretty much characterized/stereotyped as either stuffy old men or angry young men, all beholden to the religious right. Having a woman on the ticket is brilliant.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,If you live in Australia, what the hell do you care what our feelings are for the Constitution and the Amendments? Go hang out with the Geico lizard or play leapfrog with a kangeroo.

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from Gman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I see the screeching hasn't really changed that much in the past 12 months.It's almost September. Time to scout. If you've made up your mind about who you're voting for, you can hit the woods with a clear mind.If you're trying to convince those who disagree with you of their mistaken position, you are wasting your breath. It is too late.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'm afraid McCain just shot himself in the foot. What is this?

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, it was my pleasure, Sir. Have a good night's rest.BTW, thank you all, ladies and gentlemen.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Thilo and others- I have really enjoyed the debate this evening, but it is late for me and I must go to bed. Some may say that it is not my place to comment on your domestic political policy but at the end of the day we all share the same common goals, we want be able to get on and enjoy our life safely and our individual persuits, what ever they may be, and we want to be afforded the same rights and respect as others are. We have agreed and we have dissagreed, but most importantly we have all had our say...this is democracy...goodnight gentlemen...

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from Gary wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I guess some of you guys really showed me. I spoke up about something that is bothering me, and I offered my personal remedy. At no time did I insult anyone, or call any specific person out. I didn't even mean to confine my criticism to one party or perspective; however, I can understand how my solution perhaps seemed partisan.However, the follow ups to my original post have illustrated my point quite well. So far, my masculinty and intelligence have been questioned, my wife was insulted, and my speedy demise was advocated. Oh, and some guy wants my guns. Well, being as deer season is just around the corner, I suppose I will have to say no to this request. I don't know about anyone else, but these type of comments really make me want to change my mind.Finally, since part of my original post dealt with the issue of mispelling peoples names, I feel the need to call a foul on myself. I noticed when I reread my original post that I had mispelled Senator Obama's first name. I added an extra r.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, I am sorry but I cannot hold back, I STRONGLY DISAGREE that the U.S. Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Right is outdated, Sir. In fact, I consider it still the finest document politicians ever came up with. And what kind noble, straight thinking gentlemen most of the founding fathers of the United States were! I suspect that many of them would turn into their graves how things deteriorated over time and what sorry persons their successors are. WE ourselves (!) are to be blamed for having allowed the loss of social values, common sense and liberty over time.I can only speak for me, but I am not in favour of having an elitist government telling me what to do and what not. At the same time I fully respect and value the next persons god given rights same as mine. I don't cross other peoples boundaries and I expect and insist on them not violating mine. That's just a fair trade.My country was responsible for the greatest tragedy in the 20th century. If there's something learned from that, it is to safeguard freedom and liberty of everyone at all cost.Back to the gun control debate, in my experience it's very rarely "our" side who does not listen to what the gun grabbers have to say. It's the other way around. Anti-gunners are instantly turning deaf as soon as pro-gun arguments are brought up that are backed up by facts, real life and history. It doesn't fit into their way of thinking, their leftist ideology and thus it's thrown out of the window. I've noticed that so many times that we could speak of a trend. It's usually from their anti-gunner's side the arrogance and ridiculousness comes from. Even then I try to remain calm and polite.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sorry everybody, but i just read Dave's original post, it's the end of a long working day for me down under and I'm gonna get nasty again....Dave firstly...screw the NRA, you all give them your money but what have they really achieved for you? Please understand that i am not totally dissagreeing with their philosophy I just don't see any results from my part of the world..I just see fat cats getting fatter. I know that this is all blasphomy to you, but somebody's gotta say it. And Dave do you really mean to tell me that you would rather have somebody who cant use a computer and who suffers from memory lapses to be the ruler of the free world, over a liberal?? I am not saying that Obama is the man for the job, but please Dave stop making us gun owners look like idiots...have a good weekend.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

KJ- I don't think that the American constitution itself is garbage, at worst it's just outdated. The problem that I have with your constitution is that it seems that everybody interprets it to suit their own needs and agendas, so much time and energy is wasted debating the meaning of an out of date document, rather than just getting on with the job of democracy, which in itself is not easy and unfortunately comes at a price, as all good things do. I agree that the words I used were strong and I can see how you would take offence, I was fired up at the time and I wanted to provoke a response....for what it's worth...I apologise. Many people on this blog made remarks just as arrogant as mine were, but in favour of your cause...this does not help us either. It is important that we understand that our critics feel exactly the same way that we do, they feel that a factual non-emotional discussion, as Thilo rightly put it, with us is impossible, we have to gain the higher ground, believe me, I fight this fight everyday.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,Your earlier comment:"I am sick of you yanks crapping on about your second amendment. Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written. Times change...change with them.I love shooting and hunting and I do not need a semi auto to enjoy my sport. I am glad that acquiring a firearm here in Australia is a prolonged process. I dont every idiot to be running around with a gun. I bet you wont post this."doesn't really jive with your latest:"Please understand that no disrespect is meant by my comments, I realise that my perspective on political events in your country would possibly not be completely true, however sometimes the objectivity of an outsider can be useful in a heated situation."Referring to our Constitution as "that garbage" is ultimately disrespectful. You are not enhancing debate with your disrespect. Couple that with the fact that your argument quite simply is a non seguitar (as Thilo very ably demonstrated) and you look very much like an ignorant assbag. I don't care if you disagree with my politics or my views on liberty, but you can do it respectfully. But since you have chosen otherwise, don't expect to be taken seriously.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, nicely put. Being an 'outsider' myself also, I understand what you're saying and there's really no disagreement with me. As you probably know only too well yourself, factual, non-emotional discussions with an anti-gunner is almost next to impossible. It's just unacceptable to me to have our rights gradually eroded withouit gaining nothing from the other side in return. For that reason, law-abiding gun owners, who are endangered everywhere, owe it to themselves, too, to hang together as much as we can or hang separately. I'll never stop working for that rightous cause and can only hope for the best.Have a fine weekend, Sir. That wish extends to all the ladies and gentlemen here who took the time to share their comments on this blog and to our host, Mr. Petzal, es well.

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from Brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Thilo - most, actually all of the gun owners that I know are also fine law abiding people, people that I would trust with my life, and I infact consider myself to be that type of gun owner. Please understand that no disrespect is meant by my comments, I realise that my perspective on political events in your country would possibly not be completely true, however sometimes the objectivity of an outsider can be useful in a heated situation. some say that perception IS reality. I am merely trying to agitate a healthy debate because I care about society, I think that this topic deserves it, but also I care about the rights of gun owners all over the world and we owe to ourselves to show the rest of the world that we are not just mindlessly fighting for our own selfish reasons, but that we are infact able to self diagnose and conduct healthy internal debate. I think that this is our greatest defence against our critics....cheers

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, Sir, with all due respect, please cite one instance where any "sensible" gun law and restriction ever did prevent a violent felony or terroristic attack.As we all know by now, persons committing such atrocities do NOT obtain their firearms, explosives, grenade launchers etc. through any legal channels, but they get them nevertheless. Criminals, maniacs and terrorists never bother with application paperwork, finger printing, background checks and all the other obstacles, which are in place for the average citizen, before firearms can be legally owned. Here, we're well aware of that, as in the early 1970s, as a response to acts of terror and violence carried out by the Baader-Meinhof and RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion = Red Army Fraction), the then-existing gun law was tightened dramatically. Did this ever stop them from getting their guns and explosives? No! In fact, this law change was so ineffective, that afterwards it can only be rated as one of the many helpless attempts by the politics to prove having done something in order to calm down the alarmed public masses.Any evil person with only one illegal firearm in his hand is WAY MORE dangerous than millions of decent gun owners owning tenth of millions of firearms! And, to make it perfectly clear, the type of gun doesn't matter in the least in that equation. A maniac with a cheap, single shot .22 rimfire rifle is MUCH MORE more of a danger to society than any law-abiding person having a 7,62 mm NATO Mini-Gun at his/her disposal.The example you gave, regarding one motorist pulling a gun onto another driver for minor traffic violations, simply doesn't happen in the real world, at least not as long as persons with only half a brain are involved. If I am not mistaken the same irrational situations as well as other "High Noon"-style shootings were portrayed by the anti-gunners before the state of Oregon and Florida passed CCW shall-issue legislations in late '80s and early '90s. Do we still hear the antis scream hysterically now, after all those years? No, they have become quite silent about that and seem to prefer using other weird and misleading arguments to make their case.Even if such events would really happen, that would still be no reason to deny law-abiding, tax-paying citizens the right to own and carry firearms. By the way, the vast majority of gun owners are responsible, decent folks in my personal experience, regardless of where they come from!Given the choice between a society where everyone could obtain a gun easily to one where possession of firearms by civilians is outlawed, then I would MUCH prefer to live in the former and consider myself lucky to do so.

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from Ed J wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

What a load of illogical rationalization. The F1 Mclaren is street legal. There is one over in Mn. Yes it is liscened. There is no need to respond to your absurd gun fight.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan,If the USA were to fall how long do you think Australia and the UK would last? You sir are a subject. I on the other hand am a free man.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Well guys we have our work cut out for us. Obama gave his big speech and the crowd roared. I watched the Chiefs and Rams. Can't take too much BS and can't stand the thought of a liberal Commander in Chief. The wife watched and said it was an impressive "show". Chiefs won BTW.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Jim,Thanks for posting that message. I'm a computer klutz and did not know how.BTW guys I've been to the UK (going again soon) and to Australia and I can tell you if you want to piss either an Aussie or a Brit off ask him if he is the other. Those folks don't like each other much in my opinion.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

kj- guns in the hands of insecure peolple can give them a sense of power that enables them to carry out thoughtless acts of violence. For example when you accidentally cut of some guy on the highway and he pulls a gun on you at the next traffic light, just to show what a big man he is, you fire at him with your gun because you feel that your life has been threatened, and this is a natural response, but as a society we need to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the first place and some restriction on firearm ownership is unfortunately really one of the only ways to do this. I love my big v8 and I wish that I could drive it as fast as it can go down the highway, but there are laws against this and abide by them, without feeling that my personal rights have been threatened.I understand why it would be against the law in this country to drive a formula1 car on public roads and why I have to have a liscence. society should rule, judge and punish as a whole. It should not be left to the unimpartial individual....others- stop stroking each others egos with your stupid out of context 2 line quotes...where is the healthy debate guys...this is a serious topic...you say that you are responsible firearm owners....well act like it and understand that there are rules in life...like or not. I don't pretend to know anything about your costitution but I would bet that it doesnt say much about how fast you can drive your car...does this mean that you can go as fast as you want?? Grow up...life is not just black and white.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan, protecting the right of citizens to arm themselves enforces those boundaries of which you speak. Allowing citizens to arm themselves protects them from criminals, foreign invaders, and their own government.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Fearsclave...I live in Australia and I consider it my country, but I am not a citizen, so dont feel that you can apologise for me you spineless English git...

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

eyeball...thankyou for an intelligent reply to my posts. I believe that your points are not entirely invalid. My concern, however is, where do you draw the line on gun control.Do we allow privat citizens to carry concealed grenade launchers for example when that kind of technology becomes available.To some of the other posts- with freedom comes great responsebility, abiding by sensible laws is not the same as giving up freedom, if society does not have boudaries then you have anarchy.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Easy Mr Bill! The fella showing his true colors!

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from Lone Star 45 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Laos-65You have been receiving 15 Billion a year in US Taxpayer dollars for decades?Man, you are so full of crap you can even wright!Welcome to freedom butthead!Freedom isn’t free and I have no tolerance for “FREEDOM FREELOADERS” especially fakes like you!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

paul WilkeThe quotes are great, wish I had the capacity to express myself as clearly?NO JOKE!There are “Word Smiths” and they are “Black Smiths” and a very few of the both,; but allot think they are both!

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from BigK wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll vote for McCain, but I would have really enjoyed voting for Ron Paul!

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from mr.b wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Aside from voting for a man like McCain because I want to keep enjoying my 2nd Amendment rights--what other reason is there?Don't bash my head in--I'd really like to know.What will McCain do to reverse the economy? We are in debt to the tune of 10 TRILLION DOLLARS! If we don't raise taxes, who's picking up the tab?What about the "Keating Five"?I haven't cast my vote yet-and will mull the feedback.A Centrist by Nature...........

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I wouldn't piss down Obama's throat if his heart was on fire, much less vote such a male-chauvinistic, elitist Socialist into office.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Sorry here it ishttp://www.americasright.com/2008/08/obama-sued-in-philadelphia-federal.html

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Here's the website Del was talking about. After you read it check out the links too.

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from Walt Smith wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I always thought that a person running for president had to be a "natural born citizen of the United States". Am I wrong or is this not a law? Honestly even if he does get elected he will likly get greased by some southern redneck clansman who wants to be a footnote in history. I personally am going to try and save his life and vote for McCain.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

There's a message making the rounds that says Obama is not qualified to be President. Due to his being born in Kenya not Hawaii and being adopted by his mother's second husband in Indonesia. Any of you guy's seen that?

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from ray wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

After all Mc Cain has done for our country I would feel like a lowdown dog to not vote for him!HE has earned the right to be elected president, Obammy wants it GIVEN to him, that shouldn't come as a surprise though.

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Zermoid,Under the heading of no right is absolute, you do occasionally need a license to speak or assemble. Think of parade permits, for instance. On the other hand, because speech and assembly are basic, guaranteed rights, they cannot be capriciously denied or withheld except under very narrow circumstances and for clear and demonstrable reasons, such as public safety. In the case of a parade, you can require a permit in order to allow for traffic control, but you cannot deny a permit because of the participants' views. Hence, Nazis get to march in Skokie, IL., even though nearly everyone agrees their views are reprehensible. By the same token, you might -- might -- be legally able to defend denying a gun purchase or requiring a license, but only if such restrictions did not result in everyone who wanted a gun getting one without undue delay, unless they were either legally insane or a convicted felon. Even that might not meet Constitutional muster if it could be shown that the relevant statute was in fact resulting in a denial of rights to the vast majority of buyers or applicants. Just for the record, I believe any licensing scheme is too great an impediment to the exercise of 2nd Amndt. rights to be Constitutional, and would always oppose them, but that's a point you would need to prove in court. That's also all Scalia meant when he said the SCOTUS's rulings did not necessarily knock down every gun law in existence, although it did make them far more vulnerable to Constitutional challenge.

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from Thomas from Wyoming wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

You angry, angry white man.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Wow, not much I can really add to this, except a question.If the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) arms has been upheld as an individual RIGHT then why do we need a license to exercise a Right? Do you need a license to exercise free speech or assembly? Or any other right?Anyone who would vote for Obama is a fool. He has no experience, and is about as racist and un-American as they come, his only quality (?) is that he is charismatic and reads a scripted speech well. Reminds me alot of Adolf Hitler, an energizing and charismatic speaker who knew nothing.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Reeder - Well said, Sir!

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from Mike Reeder wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bravo to Petzal for making the call. He is right in all particulars. I've noted before I did not originally back McCain and was never a fan, but given Obama there is no other choice. Despite what some of his mind-numbed followers will say, the man and his running mate are both virulently anti-gun. Both have also made it abundantly clear that they will do their best to scour the court of every pro-2nd Amndt. justice. Beyond the right to bear arms, Obama is not simply the most liberal member of the senate by voting record (Biden is #3). He is in fact someone whose deeply troubling, radical associations over the years have barely been scratched. I would advise everyone to keep their eyes on his links to Williams Ayers, the former Pentagon bomber, and how panic-stricken the Obama campaign is by any attempt to examine that association and the others that flow from it, to the point of smearing the character of reputable writers, mounting intimidation campaigns against the networks and, last night, burying radio station WGN in Chicago with an organized call-in and email campaign to keep the subject from being discussed. That 20-year association is a Pandora's box of Obama's various links to radical, far-left causes and activists, and he does not want the subject broached until well after Nov. I know the reaction what I just wrote will stir in certain quarters, but it is factual. I have never been one of those people who believes our future hinges on any one particular election or on the success of one candidate or one party's particular agenda. As a conservative, I think there are a lot of things far more important than politics and gvt. -- things like family, friendship, private enterprise, hunting, fishing and a thousand and one other small private concerns that make life worth living. About all I've ever wanted of gvt. is for it to patrol the shores, protect our private freedoms and otherwise leave me, my family and my wallet completely to hell alone. I've thought for a long time that if this country could survive Jimmy Carter it could survive anything. Now, for the first time, with this candidate and the support he would enjoy from the people in charge of congress, and knowing the dangers we still face, I fear for my country if this man ever finds his way to power.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

mike diehl,your last post prooves that true and funny can go in the same context. here, here!

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

brenden, part of the freedom to keep and bear arms is the freedom for the individual law abiding citizen to decide for him or herself what firearms they wish to keep, not for the government to decide which ones are too dangerous. too dangerous for who? you are correct that there were no semi-autos back then. duh! that doesn't mean anything. it does not say the right to keep and bear only the arms of today. firearms will continue to evolve and progress. stay in your country and continue to believe whatever you hear. enjoy the bliss of your restrictive laws. that way you never have to worry about being unhappy about a government that baby's you and makes you think that everything is in your best interests. keep going around thinking you are free and all is well. if you are happy being a subject then by all means do so for the rest of your blissful life! just don't expect those of us that know better to do the same.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Hey, Laos-65 -The only people who think Israel should fight its own wars are Muslims. (particularly extremist Muslims - aka terrorists?)

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from Laos-65 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Lone Star 45-- Wont be calling 911 since I've been receiving 15 Billion a year in US Taxpayer dollars for decades, have the very latest armor and air tech which was developed for NATO, have maybe 250 of my own nukes and a governing body not constrained by political correctness.-- Buried too many of my comrades in the 60's, too many of our children today.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

"Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written."They're still not around, at least not for private ownership. I find it, errm, interesting that a statement of the rights of citizens is "garbage" to you. Of course, since Australia was where where the UK dumped their societal refuse, one can write off your remark as symptomatic of years of inbreeding and its effects on cognition.

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from Fearsclave wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

On behalf of the entire British Commonwealth I'd like to apologize to my fellow hunters and shooters for this Brendan individual.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay, thank you for your kind and warm words. They're greatly appreciated.Just to clarify, I am not a citizen of the United States, I do not live over there, nor did I ever apply for U.S. citizenship. I once thought about moving over, because I was offered a job there, but that didn't happen either.What I was attempting to do is to tell anybody willing to read my comments on this blog how I feel on the issues discussed and how things turned out. I suspect that some political goals set out by Mr. Obama look quite appealing to many Americans, including a not inconsiderable portion of hunters and gun owners, despite the fact that Mr. Obama's anti-gun voting record speaks for itself. That's okay, everyone must weigh out the pros and cons of a political candidate for him- or herself. But, be warned, everything comes at a price. If Mr. Obama gets elected U.S. President and insists on his many "changes", then you might face a situation where there's no easy turning back. To those who would accept moderate gun control in return, I can only say, once the antis get their foot firmly into the doorframe, it can and will get only worse. Count on it. All of that happened here a long time ago. You mustn't allow that to happen.To me, the 2nd Amendment is the fundamental pillar for legal gun ownership, so to speak. If they manage to do away with it, I am firmly convinced that we'll see the day when the U.N. passes resolutions where member States governments are obliged (and just too willing) to outlaw legal gun ownership altogether. Don't ever forget, gun bans and general disarmament always preceeded mass murder and genocide. At least 60 million defenseless, innocent people were killed by their own governments in the 20th century alone...

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from Michael wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Democracy is being allowed to vote for the candidate you dislike least. - Robert ByrneVote for the man who promises least; he'll be the least disappointing. - Bernard BaruchIf we lose our 2nd amendment rights, we can turn over the rest of them also, including the all powerful 1st "freedom of speech" amendment. If the press would stop protecting Obama and treating him like a celebrity, they might have time to investigate further into his dealings with Ahern the terrorist. Example - the foundation set up by Ahern & Obama to help Chicago schools. Obama is quite a fundraiser, remember? The foundation went belly up, but no one knows what happened to the money. How soon after that did Obama buy his $1,650,000 home in Chicago? The reporter that tried to investigate this was told the records concerning this matter was closed. All politicians are crooked, some less than others.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Brendan;The problem with America is that1. America knows who it is, and who it is isn't what the liberal media, international crowd, etc. want it to be.2. Liberal politicians have to create the perception that there are problems with America so they can be elected to fix them. The media helps them in this. I'd hate to have to assess America on the basis of what our own media and politicians have to say about her; I'd be as confused as you are, or worse.The problem most of the bloggers on this post have is that we know it's all lies. America is still the country people around the world run TO, rather than away from.Oh, and the value of a semiauto hunting rifle is that you can make second and third shots on target without moving your hands or otherwise changing your position on the firearm; handy when shooting from a rest, off sticks, prone, or when tracking a wounded but still moving target in your scope. Semiautos also recoil less than other action types. Please don't go by the 'You don't NEED etc.' line of reasoning when it comes to gun ownership, for anything you have can be taken from you then; all you NEED is food, water, and oxygen. God bless America.

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from james ti wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

bella, andrew and gary: can i have your guns since you are willing to give them up so easily? of course you probably don't have any. you are here because you are lonley. you are looking to be heard no matter what and will say anything to finaly have a voice. you were shunned in school and never amounted to anything regardless of your vows to show people what you are made of. if you are going to spout ignorant retoric, go to okra wimpies website and spout away. like jim in mo. said, "you vote against your conscience just to spite others."

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from paul Wilke wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay;Here's what I think of that, let me paraphrase.(Congress) The powers that be shall make no law(respecting)concerning an(establishment)branch of religion. You know Christen, Buddhist,Muslim, etc.In other word "hands off".or(prohibiting)messing with the( free) unrestricted (exercise)right to worship in that religion.The quotes are great, wish I had the capacity to express myself as clearly.How about Mark Twain or Will Rodgers

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

ThiloWelcome Thilo to the United States and reading what you have said, I am proud and blessed to have you as a Citizen of the United States. I am a proud sponsor for a young man from the Dominican Republic for is US Citizenship and he to shares the same beliefs as you do. After 20 years in the military, 11 years as a truck driver and now my wonderful Wife and I are owners of a medical billing Service and administrators for a medical clinic. Thilo, I must agree with you about the government healthcare system. I find the Amish that I have learned to love and respect thru numerous contacts with, are by far superior to us and especially when it comes to health care. What I have learned from them is, happiness is not what you like to do, it’s the byproduct what you must do that is right! I discovered once they find out that you’re not a threat or someone that will do harm or offensive you will find they are among the most beautiful people you will ever meet! “DO NOT” think they are backwards people by any means, they know more what’s going on in this world better than all of us put together!One againWelcome Thilo!

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from Lone Star 45 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Laos-65That is the most ignorant statement yet today!Israel is a stepping stone for what evil comes our way!And by the way Laos if you are being assaulted with deadly force,don't call 911 or ask for help your own your own and that’s by your own standards!

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from Laos-65 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll say it again,"I'm voting for the individual who insists that Israel fight its own wars".DOL

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from Richard Grimes, Troy NC wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This is so critically important. We MUST make sure that this information reachs way beyond this blog. I am the Election Volunteer Coordinator for the 8th District of North Carolina for the NRA. I work gun shows and local events. I am active in the community and it is just about impossible to get people to ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER TO HELP.Help spread this information. Register to Vote or be damn ready to Register your GUNS.

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from Thilo wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am a foreigner, living in a country were common health care and retirement programs have been put into effect by the government a long time ago. That, ladies and gentlemen, has turned out to be a BIG MONEY MAKER for the respective governments reigning at a given time. Personal contributions to these programs get automatically deducted from the gross income of the working portion within the population. These contributions are on the constant rise, with more and more benefits and services, formerly covered under the provisions of these programs, gradually cut. Thus Citizens are requested to also invest in private health care insurances, if they still want to take advantage of lost benefits and services, while still having to maintain the "government-sponsored" health care program, thereby spending even more of their hard earned net income. Same goes with retirement insurance and pension programs. Situation is getting worse and worse from one year to the next. In my opinion, health care and retirement programs implemented by our always money-hungry government have failed completely. Question: Are you really willing to go the same route?I am a legal gun owner (despite our strict gun laws), avid competition shooter and strong pro-gun proponent. That alone would keep me from voting for Mr. Obama and I also wouldn't feel quite at ease with Mr. McCain either.Though, I am not a U.S. citizen I saw the necessity to apply for a NRA Lifetime Membership early this year, because I feel like the Second Amendment will be in grievious danger in the next couple of years. I am now a proud member of the NRA. Where I live there probably aren't that many. I don't know how many legal gun owners and hunters you have in the U.S., but certainly the quantity EXCEEDS the number of NRA members BY FAR. Comparing whatever figures, ain't that a bit embarrassing? Imagine, if there wouldn't be just 4 - 5 million NRA members, but rather ten times that number or even more. That speaks power and influence to me! I strongly believe that your politicians would re-think three times where they stand on the issue of legal gun ownership then!Whoever wins the U.S. presidency, as an outsider, I can only encourage my fellow gun owners in the U.S. to join the NRA in order to safeguard your gun rights for the future. That's probably the only sensible thing to do, at least to take care of this very issue...(Sorry for the long rant and bad english.)

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from jstreet wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Dr Ralph quote:God help us all if he is elected... of course he will immediately be assassinated and that's when the real shit will hit the fan.Dr.Ralph,Why would you even say something like that?BTW, if (heaven forbid) someone shoots (or even shoots @) Obama, you will see an uproar in this country the likes you've never seen and I can only imagine the knee jerk laws gun laws that will be passed in every state of the union (not to mention the new federal laws that will be passed).Waiting periods on all guns, no concealed carry, ammo bans, firing ranges closed down for environmental and noise pollution reasons, laws mandating ALL guns remain @ the address of the owner, no inheriting of firearms without registration, no gun shows, etc.....I know some of you think Obama will do most of this anyway, but you can almost guarantee they will happen if someone takes a shot @ him.Bottom line,Support McCain, vote, get your friends and family to vote and let the process run its course.Obama may win, but he can't change anything overnight and @ that point you continue to work within th system to try and elect Senators and Representatives that are sympathetic to gun rights.Period.

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from KJ wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

McCain refused to be released from a POW camp and leave his men, and in doing so consigned himself to lengthy imprisonment and torture. Obama stood by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright for twenty years and gained "cred" in the African-American community for doing that, but when Wright came under scrutiny (and Obama for standing by him), Obama dumped Wright. One sacrificed his own comfort and safety, the other displayed a "survive at all costs" mentality. Pressure under fire is revealing, and under fire I would rather have a McCain beside me than an Obama.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am a hunter, I read this post everyday, why are you deleting me.

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

look at all of these ridiculous quotes...most of them are taken out of context and can actually be presented in such a way as to support both sides of the argument. Most of you seem like a bunch of paranoid simple minded rednecks. Worry less about the boogey man who is trying to take your rights away and worry more about the state of your nation and the reputation which it has on the international stage right now..or lack there of. The United States of America has gone from a country of great reverance and a role model to the rest of the western world to a nation that is full of contradictions and one that lacks true sense of self, largely thanks to that idiot george bush...dont prolong this situation...get real

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from retired waycar rider wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen---Dr. Ralph

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“It is my right to be uncommon...if I can; I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stole calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done, and this is what it means to be an American.”-Dean Alfrange“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy, 1962“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”-Claire Wolfe, 1995-Nov“To be governed is to be watched, inspected, directed, indoctrinated, numbered, estimated, regulated, commanded, controlled, law-driven, preached at, spied upon, censured, checked, valued, enrolled, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be, at every operation and at every transaction, taxed, stamped, registered, numbered, counted, noted, measured, assessed, authorized, licensed, admonished, prevented, forbidden, corrected, reformed, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, fleeced, drilled, extorted from, exploited, monopolized, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at slightest resistance and first word of complaint, to be sacrificed, betrayed, harassed, repressed, disarmed, hunted down, clubbed, abused, fined, sold, and, to crown it all, to be outraged, ridiculed, mocked, derided, dishonored. THAT is government; that is its justice, that's its morality.”-Pierre-Joseph ProudhonLiberals know only two things, fire bad, and food good!Neal Boortz

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from brendan wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I am sick of you yanks crapping on about your second amendment. Automatic assault rifles were not around when that garbage was written. Times change...change with them.I love shooting and hunting and I do not need a semi auto to enjoy my sport. I am glad that acquiring a firearm here in Australia is a prolonged process. I dont every idiot to be running around with a gun. I bet you wont post this.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Everyone loved Adolf Hitler and Benito Amilcare Andrea Mussolini until it was too late!!!

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from tjbbpgob wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Most all of these comments and others like them during this election cycle (and the last several, too) keep leading me to believe we need to bring back voter I.Q. test.

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from Shaky wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

To all; the NRA is recognized by all, who actually bother to check, as absolutely honest in their appraisal of people. In every instance, where an accusation is made against anyone, consise evidence, in the form of documentation, is also given as proof. The charge, against the NRA of spreading rumors, is absolutely false.My dictionary defines a rumor as an unfounded statement, unsuported by fact or proof.

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from HenryM wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bill in Wisconsin,you live in a state thats run by democrats,the price of gas was half of what it is now before democrats took control of the house and senate,unemployment was at less than 5% before the democrats took control of the house and senate,and yet you have a problem with republicans??How will these situations improve if you elect the candidate that wants to raise taxes on the "rich"?(The people who create the jobs)The candidate that is happy that gas is $4 a gallon and says we need to end our dependance on foreign oil,but offers no solution other than to not let us drill for our own?Our Gov.Mr Doyle has kept this state as one of the few without a concealed carry law,and has supported stricter laws that only hurt the law abiding citizen.(It has never ceased to amaze me that some people don't understand that criminals don't care about gun laws.) Yet somehow all of our problems are the fault of Republicans??

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I once knew a lawyer in my church who spouted the "separation of church and state" mantra. My pastor and I were aghast. Even my high school educated self read the constitution at a young age and never found that phrase. The basic problem we have for this and future generations is EDUCATION. We teach feelings and abstract thought instead of FACTS and FIGURES. The federal control of curriculum, which began in the FDR era, is responsible for the dumbing down of education to thinking out problems or separating fact from bulls**t. I often ask young people about history and am amazed at how it is not being taught in public education. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Mankind has gotten more educated but his nature and habits have not changed through the centuries. Consider reading the book of Genesis. There is not soap opera ever written that could top those scenarios.A previous poster wrote of reasoning with a liberal. Wrong! You can't make a radical change his belief system that easily. Its like reversing a brainwashed cult member.I could forgive McCain for statements made at the Hanoi Hilton under threat of more torture. I cannot imagine the pain he and other POW's must have endured. At least he didn't return home and badmouth his country!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

GaryFriendsMe and You Are Friends …You Fight, I Fight ….You Hurt, I Hurt ….You Cry, I Cry …You Jump Off A Bridge …I’m Gonna Miss Your Dumb Ass!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Ok Paul WilkeWhat do you think of that!

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Paul Wilke________________________________________________________________________________LAW OF THE LAND1st Amendment 'doesn't createchurch-state wall of separation'Court whacks civil-liberties group,OKs Ten Commandments display________________________________________Posted: December 20, 20054:32 pm Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily.comA U.S. appeals court today upheld the decision of a lower court in allowing the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse display, hammering the American Civil Liberties Union and declaring, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Attorneys from the American Center for Law and Justice successfully argued the case on behalf of Mercer County, Ky., and a display of historical documents placed in the county courthouse. The panel voted 3-0 to reject the ACLU's contention the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.The county display the ACLU sued over included the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the Magna Carta, the Star Spangled Banner, the national motto, the preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution and a picture of Lady Justice.________________________________________________________________________________LAW OF THE LAND1st Amendment 'doesn't createchurch-state wall of separation'Court whacks civil-liberties group,OKs Ten Commandments display________________________________________Posted: December 20, 20054:32 pm Eastern© 2008 WorldNetDaily.comA U.S. appeals court today upheld the decision of a lower court in allowing the inclusion of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse display, hammering the American Civil Liberties Union and declaring, "The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Attorneys from the American Center for Law and Justice successfully argued the case on behalf of Mercer County, Ky., and a display of historical documents placed in the county courthouse. The panel voted 3-0 to reject the ACLU's contention the display violated the Establishment Clause of the Constitution.The county display the ACLU sued over included the Ten Commandments, the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, the Magna Carta, the Star Spangled Banner, the national motto, the preamble to the Kentucky Constitution, the Bill of Rights to the U. S. Constitution and a picture of Lady Justice.Writing for the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Judge Richard Suhrheinrich said the ACLU's "repeated reference 'to the separation of church and state' ... has grown tiresome. The First Amendment does not demand a wall of separation between church and state."Suhrheinrich wrote: "The ACLU, an organization whose mission is 'to ensure that ... the government [is kept] out of the religion business,' does not embody the reasonable person."The court said a reasonable observer of Mercer County's display appreciates "the role religion has played in our governmental institutions, and finds it historically appropriate and traditionally acceptable for a state to include religious influences, even in the form of sacred texts, in honoring American traditions."Francis J. Manion, counsel for the ACLJ, argued the case before both the 6th Circuit and the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky."This is a big victory for the people of Mercer County and Kentucky generally," Manion said. "For too long they have been lectured like children by those in the ACLU and elsewhere who claim to know what the people's Constitution really means. What the 6th Circuit has said is that the people have a better grasp on the real meaning of the Constitution; the court recognizes that the Constitution does not require that we strip the public square of all vestiges of our religious heritage and traditions."

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from Passafist wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I see NO MENTION of SEPARATION of Church and State, Only EXERCISE AND ESTABLISHMENT:The First Amendment to the United States Constitution is part of the United States Bill of Rights that expressly prohibits the United States Congress from making laws "respecting an establishment of religion" (the Establishment Clause) or that prohibit the free exercise of religion (the Free Exercise Clause),

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from Ben from Wisconsin wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that the primary concern on Field and Streams website is gun control,but here is what I see:-A day doesn't go by that there is not a major layoff announced in my state-I can barely afford health insurance for my family (and I am well educated and have a decent job)-Gas has never been more expensive than in the last year-Groceries have never been more expensive in the last year-For the first time in my (relatively short) adult life, I am afraid for my job and know I will make less this year than I did the year beforeI don't care if if a a trained cat was running for office in this election, it would get my vote over the Republican party. Despite the NRA's scare tactics to raise money, I don't believe for a second that either party is going to spend more than five minutes thinking about gun control. We have much bigger problems at the moment...

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Oh, and Bella Kaldera; the Communists would never have broken Obama. Why should they? He's have been one of them.Couldn't resist. Seriously, is your only reason for voting Obama to punish white people? White people are still 75% of America; hard to imagine anything that punishes that many people leaving you unhurt.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay: great quotes. Keep them coming.To A woman and Jackson, here's one from George Satayana; 'Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.'A person can SAY anything. There never was a liberal politician who did not become conservative as election day drew near. But Obama's voting record, and public record in Chicago and Illinois as well as his year in the Senate before he ran for president, is clear. He is the most liberal person ever to run for the presidency.MAYBE he was liberal all those Harvard, Chicago, Illinois state senate, and US Senate years just because of political expediency. MAYBE he hung with Jeremiah Wright for the same reason. Maybe he married a liberal for the same reason. MAYBE once he becomes president he'll read the Constitution and understand that the government is there to serve the people, not the other way around. Maybe.But I've never been surprised by a politician once I knew his or her history. Anyone can make a couple of mistakes. Or, do a couple of good things. But when someone shows a pattern of behavior over many years, that's who that person is.Obama has the added disadvantage of having no executive experience (chief executive?), no military experience (commander in chief?), no economic experience, and no international experience (except for having lived in a foreign country until he was six years old). Obama may be a good guy to have around (who would you rather have sell your used car for you?), but you cannot read his resume and even imagine he is qualified for the job of President of the US. I will hold my nose when I vote, but it absolutely be for McCain.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

AT THE DEM CONVENTION A FEW MINUTES AGO SEAN HANNITY ASKED MIKE DUKAKIS TO NAME OBAMA'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THERE WAS LOTS OF UH'S AND AH'S AND DUKE REPEATED 3 TIMES HE WAS A GREAT LEGISLATURE IN THE ILLINOIS STATE GOV. THAT WAS ALL BECAUSE THERE ARE NO MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN CAN SEE OBAMA'S AN EMPTY SUIT. WATCH HIM WHEN HE IS CAUGHT WITHOUT A TELEPROMPTER. HE CAN'T EVEN THINK ON HIS FEET. THE PARTY THAT HAS VILIFIED GWB FOR HIS SPEAKING HAS BROUGHT FORTH AN EMPTY SUIT WITH A BIG VOICE.

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from Bella Kaldera wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

What the NRA says Obama says is not neccesarilly what Obama says. I would never trust the NRA to report the words of any liberal accurately. Personally, I'm only voting for Obama because I want to see all those fascist crackers shit. I trust Mcain far far less than Barak Obama. The North Vietnamese broke Mcain like a celluloid doll, I remember the statement Mcain read to the Moviecameras in Hanoi. He hadn't the will to resist and he still doesn't. He's no maverick and he was so quick to jump in bed with the Neocons who have dishonored our military (and yes I AM a vet!) by starting an unjust war to enrich themselves at the expense of the us taxpayer. I want to see all those bozos in Spandeau Prison for war crimes and broken international law. Perhaps Obama wouln't put the hammer down on those who have so blatently disregarded out constitution, but Mcain is certain to give them all "medals of Freedom" and we will still have our troops under fire in Falujah 50 years from now while we starve in our freezing houses for lack of something to burn.

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Lets consider the source a zealous, myopic propaganda machine whose employment of artistic license borders on burlesque.Some of the material written and spoken about Obama is ludicrous and farcical; and most people are all to willing to slurp it off the floor in the alleyway they find it in."the masses have never thirsted after truth. They demand illusions, and cannot do without them. They constantly give what is unreal precedence over what is real; they are almost as strongly influenced by what is untrue as by what is true. They have and evident tendancy not to distinguish between the two."-FreudI'm afraid that under McCain our whole fire sale of public lands and subsidies to oil, natural gas, lumber, and cattle interests will continue. And "To what avail are forty freedoms without a blank spot on the map"-Aldo Leopold

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Great Article Dave, I will definitly not be voting for obama. He has had to many crazy influences and to many stupid ideas. McCain will do a great job as president.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Obama is the great black hope. If he is the best they can come up with perhaps they are looking in the wrong places. He is a racist by affiliation with church and spouse. He has come up with no new ideas or solutions to the many and varied problems facing our great nation, and he is ashamed of us. His solutions seem to be tax America into a third world country. God help us all if he is elected... of course he will immediately be assassinated and that's when the real shit will hit the fan.I've said it once and I'll say it again. Our country is changing fast. Scary fast. We were the leaders of the free world and now we have given it all away to try to impress those who are our enemies. They're only impressed at how stupid we have become.

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from Jim in Mo. wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

GrayReread what you wrote and I hope you feel proud of yourself. To vote against your own conscience just to spite others. I bet your wife finds you a gem.

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from Paul Wilke wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

We are not a democracy, and we are a republic!And the 1st. amendment separates religion(church) and government.I absolutely will vote based an the rights expressed in the 2cd amendment.Obama comes from Chicago, the city with anti constitutional gun laws right now.Nuff said!

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from Arthur Papas wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Petzal,You are falling all over your jerking knee.Chill out.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

BeekeeperI’m no expert myself, but I do have the “Spirit of 1776’ !

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

This great Nation was founded not on Democracy and it was never to be a Democratic State at all.Democracy is the beginning of Socialism and Communism.So what were the founder’s intensions if Democracy was not to be and I’m glad you asked my fellow Americans!This Great nation was founded on the Constitution to be a “Constitutional State, not a Democratic State! Bill of Rights and other document supporting including yes “The Holly Bible”.Holly Bible?! That’s Separation of Church and state?This statement Separation of Church and state is not in any place in the Constitution or Bill of Rights or any other document that is constitutional!When there was only 13 states, the Constitution and bill of Rights forbid the majority to tell a state how to worship or not to worship. Any person that uses this phrase doesn’t have a clue what they just said!So how did the phrase of “The Separation of Church and State “become to be?-Dresden James said it best,“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”As -Judge Learned Hand (1961) put it, I ask you the same question!“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no Law, no Court can save it...Where do you stand Citizen?”“A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”-Thomas Jefferson

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from Scott wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Bravo Clay!There was a small booklet printed by NRA way back during the '94 Revolution, called the Second Amendment Primer. It was an excellent tome on how to defeat the anti's with logic and Founding Father Wisdom. I gave two away but covet another. Hope to find one on ebay or something. Again, Bravo! Bravo!

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I knew that someone would toss that one in the ring. It is true Presidents have used executive orders since Washington. They are generally used as directives to department heads and in guiding laws which all too often have vague wording. They are sometimes (often?) used as in the case of Mr. Clinton, as a political threat. George W. got away with a big one in the case of the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive. This was done in a time when people were receptive to such an order because nationally we were still in a "we need to do something about this" mode in revovery from the events of 9-11. See my previous remarks...Clay, I am not naive concerning presidential power. It is oft abused. Executive orders are still subject to oversight by congrees and can be removed congress willing by a 2/3 majority vote. That is supposedly where the poer of the people comes in.Oh, Clay we happen to have a Supreme Court which can and has weighed in on such issues. It is the third leg of our system of checks an balances and it worked fairly well in our recent much bally hooed D.C. decision.The President makes Supereme Court Appointments by the way... I don't want Mr. Obama to make any...

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from JOHN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Clay Cooper,Wow, excellent.Too much wisdom (and laugh out loud pieces) at one time, please dole it out in smaller doses.Your filing cabinet must be a real treasure trove!Thanks.johnll

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicide, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. They ought to be designated as laws not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts, and not by thoughtful consideration of the inconveniences and advantages of a universal decree.”-Ceasare Beccaria, 18th century criminologist, in On Crimes and Punishments“To disarm the people--that was the best and most effective way to enslave them.”-George Mason, founding father who led opposition to adoption of the US Constitution before the addition of the Bill of Rights“A free people ought [...] to be armed [...]”-George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790“Free men have arms; slaves do not.”-William Blackstone (1723-1780), English jurist and professor of common law at Oxford“The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.”-Andrew Fletcher (1655-1716), quoted by James Burgh (1714-1775), in "Political Disquisitions: Or, an Enquiry into Public Errors, Defects, and Abuses," (London, 1774-1775)“There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.”-George Washington“Armed women deter rapists over 400 times each day.”-bumper sticker“Armed women equals polite men.”-Charles Curley“To disarm the people--that was the best and most effective way to enslave them.”-George Mason, founding father who led opposition to adoption of the US Constitution before the addition of the Bill of Rights“A free people ought [...] to be armed [...]”-George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790“Socialism is the same as Communism, only better English”-George Bernard Shaw“`She joined the Communist Party during the Depression, attracted by its support for social welfare programs like food subsidies, unemployment aid, and social security.' Today, of course, that's why people join the Democratic Party.”-from National Review, quoting the 2000-Jan-24 New York Times obituary of environmentalist Hazel Wolf“Hillary bothers me a lot. I realized the other day that her thoughts sound a lot like Karl Marx. She hangs around a lot of Marxists. All her friends are Marxists.”-Dick Armey, of Hillary Clinton“Democracy is the road to socialism.”-Karl Marx“When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority are wrong. The minority are right.”-Eugene V. Debs (1855-1926), American socialist“The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it.”-Horatio Seymour“The voice of the people has been said to be the voice of God; and, however generally this maxim has been quoted and believed, it is not true to fact. The people are turbulent and changing, they seldom judge or determine right.”-Alexander Hamilton“Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting to decide what's for lunch.”-Marshall Fritz“... the majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength, and by acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society.”-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to P.S. Dupont De Nemours, 24 April 1816The story was also told of an English valet in the 1930's who used his evening off to attend Communist Party meetings. But one week, after a speech on redistribution of wealth, he defected from the Party -- and his employer asked him the reason for his change of heart. “Well, sir,” said the valet, “last Friday our speaker explained to us that if all the wealth were divided equally we would each have fifty pounds.”“What's wrong with that?” asked his employer.“Well, sir,” said the valet, “I've already saved fifty-five pounds.”-Kirk BrothersWe can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans...that we forget about reality.”-President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, “NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful'” by Debbie HowlettI hope this feeds the spirit.What spirit you ask?“The Spirit of 1776”!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

BeekeeperExcuse me Sir :)It is true that the President does not make law?“I'll rule this country by executive order if Congress won't adopt my agenda.”-Bill Clinton, 1998-Jul-4

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Some of you people sadden me.1 Obama has voted strongly agaisnt guns in the past.2 He has never renounced those positions - he just quit talking about it.Now if you feel there are more important issues than guns thats reasonable and your right.But dont share the deluded drivel about how Obama changed. He hasnt even claimed to have changed.PS: Thers plenty of reasons to dislike McCain but his history on gun rights is a magnitude better than Obamas and just as important hes willing to say hell defend gun rights.

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Justyne,I stand corrected, and thank you for doing so without the rancor and vitriol so often on display hereabouts.The Right to Vote (for all) is addressed in several amendments to the Constitution.F.Y.I. an excellent website...http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/rightsof/vote.htmSome good insights into government here, although the page about the 2nd Amendment is under review???johnl

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

"This is what happened with Obama."I think Obama is full of beans. If he is on the side of the virtuous, now, with regard to the 2nd Amendment, then he should openly state and put in plain sight on his website that he feels that there should be no local government intrusions on the rights of law abiding individuals to keep and bear any firearm. If he and the Democratic Party adopt, as a plank on their platform, John McCain's policy statements as they pertain to the 2nd Amendment, then and only then will I trust Obama.McCain's got (my hold yer nose and) vote.

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from Gary wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'll will proudly cast my ballot for BARRACK OBAMA just because the level to which people have stooped to discredit him is sickening.I don't understand why it is that we cannot have a civilized discussion in this country. Instead, we always resort to innuendo, ad hominem personal atacks, and petty name calling.A prime example of this is the way in which, and I have noticed this many times on this site, people purposely mispell the names (in derogatory ways) of those whom they disagree with. I was always taught that one should be proud of their name, and give everyone else the same respect.So as a form or protest against stupidity, I will vote for someone who is supposedly a Muslim; happened to go to a church that was run by an idiot (as if that was a unique occurence); whose wife might be a radical black nationalist; and might not even be a US citizen.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“The simple fact is that when I took up my little sling and aimed at Communism, I also hit something else. What I hit was the forces of that great socialist revolution, which, in the name of liberalism, spasmodically, incompletely, somewhat formlessly, but always in the same direction, has been inching its ice cap over the nation for two decades. This is not a charge. My opinion of that revolution is not at issue. It is a statement of fact that need startle no one who has voted for that revolution in whole or in part, and, consciously or unconsciously, a majority of the nation has so voted for years. It was the forces of that revolution that I struck at the point of its struggle for power.... No one could have been more dismayed than I at what I had hit, for though I knew it existed, I still had no adequate idea of its extent, the depth of its penetration or the fierce vindictiveness of its revolutionary temper, which is a reflex of its struggle to keep and advance its political power.”-Whittaker Chambers (born Vivian Jay Chambers in 1901, Soviet agent turned right wing Christian activist, and exposer of Soviet agent, trusted aide to FDR, and UN co-architect, Alger Hiss), 1952

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is true that the President does not make law. He however is the one who signs them into law or has the power to veto them. It is then the onus of our representatives in govenrment to over ride said veto with a 2/3 majority vote.If we have the anticipated sweeping take over of the house and senate by our liberal party and a president from the same our system of checks and balances has just gone the way of... well you get the point.McCain with all of his stench, ill temperment and memory lapses is still better than no check and balance at all...The recent supreme court decision is no guarantee against "reasonable" constraints on our 2nd amendment rights. Reasonable constraints include exceptionally high taxes and fees, licensing (along with license fees), limits on types and quantities of firearms owned, ammo restrictions etc...At present we have an 11% tax in the form of the Pittman-Robinson Act. I do not object to this at all as it does much good. The NRA touts a possible 500% tax on firearms. A mere 50% tax on a $1000 gun would rais its price to $1500. On one of Dave's left hand beauties with the $5000 tag is up to $7500. Only Dave would be able to afford to buy a gun!!!!In my life time I have seen creeping gun control and "reasonable" constraints dictate magazine capacity, ammo availability, bullet type, registration requirements, no carry zones etc.But what I fear the most is that god forbid, some idiot with a gun will take a shot at or take out either candidate. Then my friends our enemies we will have a precident and "clear" need to inact more "reaonable" controls...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.”-Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the Los Angeles Times, 1992-Oct-15, commenting on the response of the Japanese public to government corruption

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from Cla Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Forgive me Dave for tossing "RED MEAT"!“But I don't want to defend myself.”-reportedly uttered by a Brady Law supporter

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”-President Woodrow Wilson

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Food for thought I'm still looking for historical statements“A government establishment so profligate that it thinks nothing of throwing its best people onto bonfires of its own making will likely, over time, burn down to nothing.”-Daniel Henninger, in the Wall Street Journal, 2007-Mar-15, “The Walter Reed Fiasco: The Army fired the one guy who can fix it.”“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”-John F. Kennedy, 1962

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

JBUG308STAND BY!

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from JBUG308 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

WELL DONE CLAY COOPER!BTW, Justyne - please show us where in the constitution or Bill of Rights that we have a "right" to vote!

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from Richard wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I'm not particularly thrilled by either of the major candidates, but Obama really is downright scary. His qualifications are about the same as those for a sophomore class president (and I don't mean college-level), and his attraction to voters is more like that of a rock star than a leader. (And he's attracting about the same kind of people.)McCain, however, is almost as scary, given that constitutional disaster know as "McCain-Feingold...". Otherwise, he definitely is the lesser of two evils. But I can find no other party's candidates who are any better than these two. Even Bob Barr leaves me wondering.I feel like Diogenes, looking in vain for an honest man.

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from Dick Wilson wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

It is a great concern that Mr. Obama makes decisions based on a lack of knowledge or understanding. The fact that he is cunning enough to change or modify those positions after being publicly educated is even less reassuring, and does not mean that he has changed his opinion.It only means that he wants to be elected so he can enforce his opinions. Add book bans to the list and where in Europe and Asia have you seen similar positions?

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“It is important that you do not say that you [are] calling because the campaign asked you to, but because you are outraged with what was said about her.”-campaign aide to Hillary Clinton, in a ca. 2000-Jul-19 bulk email asking the candidate's supporters to protest allegations that Clinton had once used the phrase “#ucking Jew bastard” in anger

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Our more senior bloggers correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there’s precedence here in the ’52 and ’56 Elections. A friend of mine wrote,"… [Two] Adlai Stevenson contests against Eisenhower with approximately same results; Obama will be lucky to get a 100 electoral votes….....Stevenson too, was the original Left Wing, Progressive, "egghead" coined by Joe Alsop. Very talented, very bright, Progressive running against a war hero and very much involved in a stalemate, unpopular war with Korea in the 1st (1952) election.Economy was slow but being pushed by military industrial complex that even Eisenhower warned against. Mainstream Dems wanted Harriman but Left faction won out. Result: absolutely crushed in 52 & 56. Progressive movement never recovered. Then, as now, mainstream Dems were so pissed they voted for Ike instead of the egghead.”Guess we'll have to watch the show, Folks.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have.”-Richard Salant, former President of CBS News“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”-Patrick Henry, from “Against the Federal Constitution”, 1788-Jun-5“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”-Ben Franklin“The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it.”-John Hay, 1872“Facts must be distorted, relevant circumstances concealed, and a picture presented which by its crude coloring will persuade the ignorant people that their Government is blameless, their cause is righteous, and that the indisputable wickedness of the enemy is beyond question.A moment's reflection would tell any reasonable person that such obvious bias cannot possibly represent the truth. But the moment's reflection is not allowed; lies are circulated with great rapidity. The unthinking mass accept them and by their excitement sway the rest.The amount of rubbish and humbug that pass under the name of patriotism in wartime in all countries is sufficient to make decent people blush when they are subsequently disillusioned.”-Arthur Ponsonby, Falsehood in Wartime, 1928“the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.”-J. Edgar Hoover, 1956, speaking of communism“I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.”-Thomas Jefferson“That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves.”Thomas Jefferson“If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.”-President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993“the purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people”-Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993“When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.”-Dresden James“We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men.”-George Orwell“In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”-George Orwell“To ignore the evidence, and hope that it cannot be true, is more an evidence of mental illness.”-William Blase“The best time to buy is when blood is running in the streets.”-Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild“It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.”-Voltaire“The broad principle that there is an individual right to bear arms is shared by many Americans, including myself. I'm of the view that you can't take a broad approach to other rights, such as First Amendment rights, and then interpret the Second Amendment so narrowly that it could fit in a thimble.”-Senator Charles Schumer, D-NY, 2002-May-8 (http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/SchumerWebsite/pressroom/press_releases/P...)“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the right of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.”-Thomas Jefferson“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. [...] Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”-V.I. Lenin, from Collected Works, Vol. 35, 4th ed., p. 286. Congressional Record, April 28, 1970, p. H3601“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”-Joseph Stalin, from “Reply to the discussion on the Political Reports of the Central Committee”, Dec. 7, 1927. Stalin, Works, Vol. 10, p. 378“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”-George Orwell“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”-George Mason“It is not the function of government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.”-US Supreme Court, 339 US 382,447“I'll rule this country by executive order if Congress won't adopt my agenda.”-Bill Clinton, 1998-Jul-4“One man with courage makes a majority.”-Andrew Jackson“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”-Daniel WebsterHave a NICE DAY!

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from Justyne wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Just exactly what do you people think the NRA is for? Their main claim to fame over the last 30 years has been the constant fight to support our 2d Amendment against the politicians who don't trust us with guns, but would never step outside without their armed bodyguards. I have been a member off and on (when I can afford it) for about 10 years. When I am a member I simply choose American Hunter instead of First Freedom. The fewer people who subscribe to FF the more likely they are to remember that we aren't all into being beaten over the head with the fact that there are anti-gunners out there. The last time I dropped my membership was when they dropped their women's magazine. It was intelligently written and well balanced, unlike some of the drivel coming from some other club magazines I've had.BTW John, your sentiment is correct, your statement isn't. Voting is a right, just like owning and carrying a firearm is a right. But ALL rights come with responsibilities.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

“We the People are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”-Abraham Lincoln

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from ricefarm wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

By the way, Jackson, what was it last night when Obama thought he was in St. Louis, when he was actually in Kansas City? Alzheimers, or is he just stupid? This guy has more episodes of foot-in-mouth disease on the campaign trail than George Bush ever had, it just doesn't get reported and hammered the same way for Obama. You Tube is full of hilarious Obama gaffes and mistatements. The only thing the guy has been consistent about is being firmly on both sides of nearly every issue. What a leader!

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from Phillip wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen, Jackson.I don't much care for any politician or candidate, but folks, marching in lockstep with the NRA propaganda machine is just as bad as the "peta-philes" falling back on their own misinformation machine.None of the issues on that "ten point list" were clear-cut, nor were they all quite as full of evil intent as the NRA spin doctors made them out to be. Add to that the fact that Obama, like a majority of other city-born and bred politicians, had no clue what went on in the world of shooting and hunting... and the fact that, as Jackson points out above, once the complications are spelled out he was interested in re-addressing his stance... well, it's not quite as damning a pictureIt's crap like this that every year makes me reconsider my membership in the NRA. I've hung tough so far, but dammit folks... can't we do better?As far as the election, I'm pretty danged scared, not because I think Obama will win (odds are in his favor, like it or not), but because I think we're going to see another sweep of liberals throughout Washington, and many of them ARE a very real threat to our right to keep and bear arms.The President is not the legislature nor the judicial branch... they are the ones who make and uphold the laws of this land. Sure, the President can advance his agenda, but I just don't see gun control being real high on his priority list. No, the threat is in the other two houses...

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from ricefarm wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Barack Obama got "educated" on technical issues involving guns, abortion, the church he attended for 20 years, etc when he decided to run for President. I am with Petzal in believing this election is as easy a choice as we have had in my adult life. Anyone ignorant or uninformed enough to vote for Obama will get what they deserve, maybe what they want.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I’ll be watching tonight’s Democratic Convention to see if there will be a coup de tat by the Clintonites during the role call.IMHO it also gives an idea how the two Radical Left factions are fighting to control Democratic Party….and what’s in store for the average American if there’s a shift in the White House to this particular Lot. The idea of a clean sweep by the Democrats in this election….well, it gives me shivers.

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from Jackson Landers wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Obama backed off of the vast majority of the ignorant bills he'd supported in the Illinois state Senate after he got to Washington and had people (NRA and others) explain the technical issues that he'd been ignorant of before.Most advocacy for gun control comes from basic ignorance of technical facts about guns. Explain those facts to intelligent people patiently and politely and they will usually end up agreeing with us. This is what happened with Obama.If we are not prepared to welcome those who have been educated into supporting many of our positions, then we are screwed.Meanwhile, I've been watching Wayne LaPierre condemn John McCain in the pages of American Rifleman for many years now. The idea that this guy who we'd all agreed is anti-gun is suddenly a knight in shining armor for gun owners is ridiculous.Neither of these guys is a life-long supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but neither of them is looking to make any big changes to gun laws either. With the Heller vs. DC decision to protect us, it's hard to see a serious case for why gun-owners should support one over the other.Personally, I'll be voting for the guy who isn't showing all the symptoms of early stages of Alzheimers disease. John McCain can't remember how many houses he owns, couldn't remember what kind of car he drives and thought that Vladimir Putin was the President of Germany. At the age of 72, the word for that is 'senile.' America must not risk putting a senile, mentally incompetent man at the helm of the world's greatest superpower. I don't know how much protection from anti-gunners that anyone is expecting from a man who will probably be wearing Depends and wandering the halls in his pajamas within 4 years.

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from JOHN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

To: A womanVery good drive-by sniping."base my decision on tabloid fodder and rumor"."Perhaps I'll look at the issues and see where they stand".??????????????WTF?Where have you been?HEY, their positions are plain.John McCain has been in the Senate and in public for many years.His voting records and speeches are public record.I do not agree with everything he's said and done, and disagree strongly with many, but he's one of the two choices available.Barack Obama has been in the Senate for less than one term. His big claims to fame are that he made a good speech at the last convention and that he was against the Iraq war (well, he wasn't even in the Senate at that time, so what a BOLD statement)...and oh, yeah the media likes his wife. And he's a DEMOCRAT. (Hint...no he isn't, he's a Socialist, just listen to him)."Perhaps there's stuff we just don't know about the man".If you don't have enough information to make a decision, either get busy and find out, or please stay home on election day.Voting is not a right, it's a responsibility.johnl

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from Matt in MN wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I’m surprised more level headed people like Dave agree with the NRA on this. I guess I’ll have to take a more in depth look. I’m pretty undecided on the presidential candidates so far. Neither candidate excites me, I’m just glad Billery is out!!I usually dismiss those crazy, howling, blabbering political articles in my NRA magazine as just so much horse sh!t. Am I the only one that holds their nose each year when they send their check to the NRA? I know they’re a necessary evil, but good grief. The recent article about lead in venison was laughable. Gee, Minnesota was foolish to throw out some venison that had lead it in, and order more studies, but Iowa did the prudent thing by testing TEN samples and deciding it was all safe. WOW. I’m definitely a reluctant NRA member. I figure I send in my money so they can offset the likes of Rosie O’Donnell.

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from A woman wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Jes,Hope you don't call your spouse the thing McCain calls his.I am undecided, but certainly am not going to base my decision on tabloid fodder and rumor. Perhaps I'll look at the issues and see where they stand.On a side note, I have a very close friend who was a POW at the same time as McCain. This guy hates him and would not vote for him. Perhaps there's stuff we just don't know about the man. Who knows?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I really don't see how this election can even be close. Am I that out of touch or are we about to see a new definition of the word landslide? The talking heads never seem to have a clue so what I see on television doesn't bother me. A man with Muslim ties when we are involved in a "Holy War" with the Muslims whose lifelong minister is as anti-American as they come and there are people out there who will actually vote for him to run our country? Seems that so called content of character really was a dream...

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Im glad to see you coming to your senses about poor naive Barack.On the other hand I do find it disgusting that to ensure my gun rights year after year I have to vote for some one whom I disagree with on both health care and taxes.

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from jes wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Amen, Dave! And Amen NRA! I have a great deal of concern for Obama's "inner character", as well as his gun background. His past Muslin upbringing and family ties as well as his choise inpastors speaks to what I know of how a persons past influences the choises he makes in the future. And when the future of the country is at stake....need I say more?

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from johnl wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

Mr. Petzal,Very well stated.Senator McCain was not my first choice either, but the difference between the choices are vast.johnl

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from Max wrote 5 years 33 weeks ago

I was born and raised England and have seen Liberal Politions of every kind, but this guy scares me not because of what he believes but of what his "Fans" not supporters believe. I have neighbours that support him that believe that the CIA and Isreal bombed the world trade center. In England hunting is an Elite sport for the rich and they still get to hunt there even with all the Gun Legislation. What happens with anti gunners is they just end up making hunting and shooting so expensive it becomes a rich mans sport. Please VOTE against Obama if you don't like Mcain.

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