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November 26, 2008

Petzal: A Few More Words About Politics and Targets

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

On Thursday, 11/20, we were treated to the edifying spectacle of United States Senators rising to applaud Ted Stevens (R-AK), who is a convicted felon (and was, it should also be noted, a very good friend to gun owners). You’d think that someone in his position would clean out his office at midnight and leave without a word, but this is the Senate, and if you’ve done enough favors for enough of your colleagues, you could be caught molesting domestic livestock in the Capitol Rotunda at high noon and someone would rise to praise your kindness to animals.

That is why I’m rooting for Al Franken to beat out Norm Coleman for the Senate seat from Minnesota. Franken has all the charm of Michael Moore and is ideologically leprous, but he was a professional comedian, and reasonably successful, and that is what the Senate needs most right now.  They’re all comical, but it’s accidental, and Franken could upgrade things.

And then there is Majority Leader Harry Reid. In every class in an NCO academy or at OCS, there are always a couple of poor dorks who are washed out for “lack of command presence.” That is Harry Reid.
And so, as we bow our heads over our Thanksgiving gruel, let us give thanks that our destinies are in the hands of these dedicated public servants.

About the targets: I checked all the websites you recommended, but the one that paid off was the source suggested by Jerry G. The National Target Company of Frederick, MD, picked up the license to make and sell NRA life-sized targets after the NRA dropped them. The life-sized targets are not offered online, but National has ‘em nonetheless; all you have to do is ask. They are invaluable for teaching, and for shooting at long distance, and for checking bullet drop. Prices are reasonable, and National Target is a pleasure to deal with. The phone number is 301-874-4767.

A thousand thanks to Jerry G. May all your bullets go where you want them to. And to all of you, a Happy Thanksgiving.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

BTW, In Mo. we have a program called 'Share the Harvest'. Anyone that hunts but doesn't nessesarily like to eat wild game can turn it in for the needy.Shame on anyone who disgards their kill just for the trophy.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Del,I've already had three meals from our deer, if Ks. needs hunters let me know. I just can't do bow but I'm going to try again this summer and see how it goes.BTW, that rage broadhead does look amazing, my step-son showed what it can do.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Here in Eastern Kansas we have too many deer. The Dept of Wildlife and Parks would like hunters to harvest more doe. I deer hunt for the pure pleasure of being in the woods matching wits with a mature buck. We can take 4 antlerless and 1 buck a year. Nope my family wont eat the meat so I give it to a minister who gives it to people that need protein. We also deer hunt in Missouri and they have unlimited antlerless tags. This year my take was a nice buck and 2 antlerless from each state. All were tagged and given to others. All concerned are happy with this arrangement.BTW NOS but you guys that bowhunt should check out the Rage 2 blade broadhead. It does an awesome job. Flys like a field point and makes a great wound with copious blood trail. Shot 6 arrows last 2 years and tagged 5 deer.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Had not been satisfied wih my B/P hunting till this year. My firsrt kill asa a 4" oak tree. Scoped that Hunterbolt and now it shoots almost as well as my 06. Killed 2 Bucks this year, one at l70 yds and one at l40.Both fell in tracts. Now maybe can be another Jim Shockley and make many $$$ with B/P. After someone suggeted to moist a patch and run it down teh bbl after the fist shot, then a dry one, that it made loading teh 2nd field shot better,it does ,asi tried it twice.Now go to clen the gun up,which I hate.I use Rusty Duck supplies for that job. Works well. Us huntersnever satasfied, not I want a break action /P by T/C scoped with a Omega scope. But my Bunter bold with a Dusk toDawn scope is great even 2 mintes till dark. Going to Va for a few weeks after teh 20th as Rifle season closes here on the 20th,but last (B/P) season in VA closeson lst Satin January. I use l00-to l50 grs of Power Built Pointed bullets. is 2"high at l50 yds, and what a hole it leaves. Hardly any field dressing required, but can kiss the fore-end good buy.Any you gius got a short simple receipt for Deer/Elk please post. Got tome Elk Steaks in Frig now with some gook soaking them in.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Jim in MO,Check you e-mail for the pic of very old match locks. Those must of been fun to shoot. Took the pics at the Tower of London. They had hundreds of weapons from the middle ages up to a WW II vintage cannon.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Last Sat nite My son got married in London. At the wedding reception my daughter got a text message that Kansas beat Missouri in the annual border war game. It was a nail biter but oh how sweet it was. The groom is a Jayhawk, his best man is a MO Tiger.Jim in MO, Sorry we stayed only blocks from Holland and Holland's shop, but was unable to find time to visit.You guys that aren't seeing bucks need to hunt in Kansas or Missouri. Both have great buck to doe ratios.I actually talked to a couple of guys in London that are shooters. The UK gun laws are depressing.

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from Eocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Jim in MO: Seewhat the 30-06 does, ever scares the deer away.No doubt the 06 is a must sought after deergun, but many other calibers as well. To me nything from a 30-30 up is adeergun,but do prefer the 06 using l50 r. Scricco's, then usr l80's out west when hunting both Elk/Deer.My Marlin XL7 shoulfd be all set up by Sat PM. Leupold bases/rings and scope on tehn way. Was not happy with the 10-15 yr old scope had plannnd to use,. But today's Scopes farsuperior than of l5 yrs ago. Any one used teh Dusk to Dawn Banner by Bushelll? if so whats your opinion for early/latre hunting, Woods fullof acors, so deer can stay in the big timber all day. Had 2 come out tonight as ws getting my junk together to head home, Not sure of Sex, one appeared to be a small bucK//////Hopefully in the AM.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yoop,Last night you mentioned 'new rifle jinx'. Boy don't that seem to be the truth. Seen deer for years with my .35 then got an '06 and it seemed forever for them deer to warm up to it.

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,Yes they do make Smokepoles that have the hammer on the left. I bought one of them about 10 or 12 years ago when I was helping coach one the Michigan teams for the MYHEC or Michigan Youth Hunter Education Challenge. It was one the rifles that they brought/bought for the kids that did not have a black powder rifle to use. Then they sold them at the end of the challenge for around $200.00With rifle season only being 2 weeks it is a little hard when you are sitting in Mississippi and Tennesee most of the week.I have seen more deer down here munching on the grass on the side of the highway then any thing else. The deer down here are small compared to the ones we have up in Michigan.I am about to make another 2 day trek back up to Michigan from Jackson, Mississippi.Tom the Troll.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey Tom:Sorry about the season. I'm hoping to get out with my TC New Englander. I've never actually hunted with it before. Didn't know they made LH smokepoles. Actually, I don't feel inconvenienced at all with the RH model.Interesting season! We had nice bucks come into the feeder, usually around 2 AM. We have a game camera. We have no pictures of antlered deer at the feeder during daylight hours. Between the wolves and the "new rifle" jinx, I guess I was predestined to fail. Oh well. There's always next year.BTW, I know a lot of drivers that haul Hdwd lumber. They probably would like to trade with you right now. Especially those that own their rigs. Things are really slowing down up here. I do feel for you though. We only get 15 days. If you can't make, tough. My son had the same problem on the sub. Much as don't care for fenced hunting, it's probably better than no hunt at all.YooperJack

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,I know what you mean about the bucks being scarce in Da UP. Unfortunitly I have seen more dead deer along side the road then anywhere else. I was coming back from a run up to Cheboygan at the crack of daylight and wished I could have pulled my truck over and had a rifle with me. Out in a field was about 7 good sized Does. Unfortunity it is highly illegal to shoot right next to I-75 and on some one else's property. Ah well there is always next year. I have not had a chance to go deer hunting yet this year. My job has been keeping me out of State most of the week and when I am home I have things to do that keep me at home. I suppose I could have gone out on Thanksgiving Day but my wife said over her dead body. She had not seen me in two weeks and it was the only day she had off from work. Maybe I can go out for Muzzle Loading season. I have a nice left handed Thompson Center percussion lock that has not seen day light in a while.Hopefully you will have good luck and not get too much snow too fast.Tom the Troll

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Gators are going to CHOMP Alabama's Crimson Tide. Either way I'm cheering for the SEC in the BCS Championship game...

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Rky Mrn Hnr,Japan and China never flooded our markets with better built products. They just floded our markets with the blessing of NAFTA.Anyone thinks Toyota is great do some looking around. In '06 and '07 toyota had more recalls on there vehicles than they produced! Did the liberal media print that.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Appears all have and outstreached hand for a portion of the near Trillion our beloved Congress has agreed to give away with no strings attached, not even any accountability of who got wher and what for.Suppose we all need to file a claim for a small portion for ourselves. Yep, I'd like to start a small business with about 4-5 employee's. About 2 Million would get it off and running. Now the Education system is asking for it's share???? and the list grows. Back when Japan and China and other 3rd world countries was flooding the market with a much better built Auto,where was out big 3 then. These other countries just built a bette mouse trap and it sold. Now the ig 3 crying foul. What Company earlier and now, guarantees your retirement for ever??? even if goes bely up. Best we make out own plans for retrement, as you cannot live on SS alone. l wish someone would give me the e-mail address of whom I contact to get my SHARE of the give away $$$. Times were back 20 odd years ago, that you had to have approved your plan , but that's history now. All you gotta do is go thru a Gov. agency and ask. Believe will ask, what harm can I do.? And4-5 new employee's put to work will surely help our economy, right? My new Bsiness will be a traveling van loaded with firearms and may stop near the major big-box stres r Bass, etc.You may think I;m idding about the Van, but I'm nt. Was in Craig, C0 in 93 and a guy from NJ was doing just that. He traveled all over the US, trying to stay abreast of the gun shows where permits not a MUST have, same as Virginia for their Labor Day Celebration.If any you guys knw whom I should contact, I will contact our Senator who was a pot and pan salesman before he kissed the right Horse's A--.For a couple Million, I will kiss the same Horse. Shot-um-straight and often. The Old Southern Gunslinger

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

bucstopper & alabamahunterYou two Auburn-ites have my deepest sympathy and condolences since the Tide rolled over your sorry butts 36 to ZIP!Roll Tide!LOL

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from Bella wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I've noticed that the standard regarding bitching about politicians seems to be that we all like the pols we vote for and think all the other pols to be rabid weasles. Hence the 15% popularity of congress (filled with everybody elses pols) and the 95% reelection rate (we put the ones we like back in office). Therefore I excoriate pols from far away (whom I dislike) such as Mr. Stevens and that tool of the cultists Orrin Hatch (I think all mormons ought to be forced to go back in time and actually meet Holy Joe-then witness him boffing their wives/ daughters). Meanwhile other faithful Field 'n Steam readers wax perjorative about my Barney Frank (who I like a lot) or our Massachusetts Hero John Kerry. Hey, I understand, you antiliberals don't live on this side of the Hudson, you like the guys you keep electing, just like the cultists in SLC will keep putting Orrin in office till he mummifys and needs to be propped up in his senate seat.On other notes I too have been given the SSS advice. We were having issues with a Fisher cat that developed a taste for our ducks and the towns animal officer suggested the Shoot, Shovel and Shut up tactic. As it was I managed to get within 30 yards of the kritter about 4:30am one day. I know he saw me, I heard that growl like ripping cloth, but it was pitch dark and I wouln't shoot what I can't see. At any rate He knew I was there and they know when a body is armed (reference the blog entry about intent). Even though I didn't fire a shot that Fisher cat didn't come back.Our shotgun season starts tomorrow morning, I had no luck during archery season so I hope to be out with my old 12 gauge Ithaca Super Single. May Hern guide my aim.

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from sarg wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yooperjack, Didn't do much good here in Ky. this year yet,Muzzle season cones in in about two weeks. Did find a herd of elk numbering 130-140 free roaming elk here in Ky. Want to see them e-mail me at sarg1c@hotmail.com you too clay..... Rockymtnhunter has already seen them.

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from dj wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks to the lame-stream media, the Democrats get away with all kinds of shenanigans.

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from jon wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Let's not forget the US House of Representatives. That is, Rep. William J. Jefferson (Democrat-LA) is a ninth-term member of Congress, representing Louisiana’s second congressional district. Rep. Jefferson’s ethics issues, for which he has now been indicted, stem from his business dealings and his misuse of federal resources. On June 4, 2007, Rep. Jefferson was indicted on 16 criminal counts, including two counts of conspiracy to solicit bribes, two counts of solicitation of bribes by a public official, six counts of honest services fraud by wire, one count of violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, three counts of money laundering, one count of obstruction of justice and one count of racketeering. The indictment stems from multiple instances in which Rep. Jefferson agreed to perform official acts for 11 different companies in return for bribes payable to him and his family members. The 94-page indictment outlines in considerable detail multiple bribery schemes in which Rep. Jefferson participated.Of course, he is still serving.

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from Ryan wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey, keeping off the topic as we are on this board, what is everyone's take on Sesame Street in the post Elmo era?(Just being humorous)

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

FYI - anyone interested. I found Gigantic Book of Hunting Stories at abebooks.com for $15&change plus bout $5 for shipping.

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from Ed wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I can top all these examples of how corruption is rewarded.Former New Orleans Mayor "Slimy Sidney" Barthelemy caused the flooding of the city.When the engineers of the Sewage & Water Board protested that the "floodwalls" the Corps of "Engineers"(?) wanted to build along the drainage canals(which meant graft for Slimy Sidney) would never hold,Barthelemy got rid of them.Just as the veteran engineers predicted, those phoney "floodwalls" collapsed after Katrina had passed,flooding the city.By comparison,as a terrorist Barthelemy makes Osama Bin Laden look like St. Francis of Assisi,for corruption he makes Stevens look like Mother Theresa.He is walking around snickering about it, protected by his fellow politicians.

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from ban nock wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

They got Al Capone on tax evasion. And besides Ted did very poorly in front of the jury. Had that attitude like I am entitled to have my home done over, look at all the welfare I bring my state". Now I know Alaskan's love welfare but there are honest ways of coming about it, and getting convicted of 7 counts of felony is hardly a good record to almost win a senate seat. Alaskans gota luv em, you betcha.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Paratrooper Dave:I leave near Escanaba, on Lake Michigan. Ishpeming is up near Lake Superior. That's north about 60 miles. I've worked up there alot. Lots of maple, with bird'eye, very hilly hardwood terrain and hemlock swamps. Neat area for buck tracking, except a lot of the corporate timberland is being chopped up and sold for residential and hunting camp sites.Scott:Thanks for the cooking tip. I think anyone in the U.P. can use that. Tracks everywhere and deer are way down throughout the peninsula.YooperJack

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving to all! I ate waayy too much, and considering mailing the leftovers to hungry people in Africa. To have our Senate celebrate corruption does not surprise me. After all, some in this country just elected one of them to the office of President. As for the rest of us, we should practice the old duck-and-cover routines during our daily activities. It seems the rest of the world is vying to be the first to test Mssr. Obama's mettle.To YooperJack: I would think you should prepare wolf like you would any other soft tissue animal. A little salt and pepper with some bacon grease and flour in a skillet over low heat. To quote Mel Gibson: Dog is a fine meal. Kinda tastes like Spotted Owl...;)

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hi Lowrecoil,Both, actually. But the Tikka shoots the factory Remington Core-lokts so well I didn't see any reason to fart with a load right before deer season.After season's over I'm going to chunk the factory rings, put the 6x42 in a set of Talley lightweights and then try to work up a good 100-120gr. coyote load.

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from Concerned_Soldier wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,Happy Thanksgiving and all I have to say about our Congress who have a 16% approval rating, but a 96% re-election rate is??Term-limits, Term-Limits, Term-Limits!Happy Thanksgiving again Dave,V/RC_S

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

"Chad Love: As a fellow 6.5x55 shooter, I'm curious. Do you handload, or shoot factory ammo? If you go the factory route, what do you shoot? I've found vast differences in performance from one brand of ammo to another."I know this was not addressed to me but figured I'd respond anyway!First question is what is "factory ammo" for the 6.5x55?Just kidding, I got a few rounds of PMC ammo back in 95 or 96, mostly as I couldn't find brass to load, also got some military ammo that I use as primed brass, pull the bullets, load them up and use them for hunting ammo, as the brass is berdain primed it really isn't re-loadable so if you lose it shooting at a deer it's no loss. Just got my hands on a couple hundred rounds of fresh brass a couple of months ago and feel like I'm in heaven now! Especially as that PMC is well used by now and starting to crack quite often. I use the reloadable to work up a load then load up the primed military brass for hunting, only problem is I'm running out of the 200 military rounds now and will have to start keeping track of where the brass falls soon, oh well....

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,I agree with all your comments about Jim Carmichael. I first met him in Prescott,AZ in the very early '70s. Dave Wolfe, (Wolfe Publishing) whom I had met when he was still in Illinos, had recently moved to Prescott and was in the process of starting his Publishing Co. At that time Neal Knox was working for Dave and Jim was there, I guess, because Prescott was/is a hotbed for 'gun nuts.' If I remember right that was before he went with O/L but maybe not. Anyway, I then saw him often at major hunt shows, although I rarely see him anymore. He was always kind, helpful and a good guy to know. He never hunted AK with me to my disappointment.Perhaps the fact that you do not see his name plastered on every publicity media out there, nowadays, tell us all a lot about the REAL JC.

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

To All Posters; HAPPY THANKSGIVINGI have a lot ot be thankful for. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, My Family, My Work and the opportunity given to hunt,fish and shoot which fully extends the quality of life in general.BTW just got back from KY, took a heavy deer scoring over 150, the turkey is done upstairs and the sweet potato pie is calling.......time for football today, quail hunt tomorrow and IRON BOWL on Saturday. WAR EAGLE

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from Dave Petzal wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

To Lost My Zero: Thank you for the kind words. Maybe this is the place to add a few things that I couldn't get into Outdoor Life.In 1976, Jim invited me to go prairie dog hunting. Since then, just about every year, I've gone varmint shooting with him, and on all those hunts he has never taken a shot. Not one. If you are his guest, you get to shoot, not Jim.Second: There are no schools where you go to be a gun writer (and, thank God, no exams), so you have to do it more or less by feel, and some are more successful than others. Jim got into the business long before I did, and early in my career, I had him as an example. He was a two-legged poster for how much you had to know and what was expected if you wanted to be any good at it.When the full truth dawned on me, I thought, "Oh boy, I got some work to do." And so that tribute was my way of saying thanks in public, and I owe Todd Smith, who is editor of OL, a big thank you for the opportunity.

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from Dave Lamenzo ("Paratrooper Dave") wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

11/27/08Good Morning One & All !!!And, a happy and blessed Thanksgiving as well and especially to you Dave.Dave, you know when you talk aboutpoliticians in DC who set our nation's course it is so sadly comical to witness what they do and what they don't do. Term limits need to be swiftly established for all who occupy seats in the Senate and in the Congress.Yooper Jack, in regard to the wolf problem up at the UP, do what many of my rancher friends do out west in cattle country. Namely, they employ the SSS system - Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up. And, if a dead wolf-critter happens to have a transmitter on it, take it off and toss in the back of truck bound out of state.By the way Yooper Jack, I have friends in the UP; they live near Ishpeming. Is that any way near you?Paratrooper Dave

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The blind naivety of people who dont realize the deep corruption which has long rotted Alaskan politics(corruption is pretty deep everywhere but Alaska is awful) is unfortunate.

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from steve ferber wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Bad politicians are just too hard to injure in any way. Officers in my beachmaster unit rotated monthly to shore patrol duty when we were in port. One reason I was drawn to the .45 ACP as my favorite semi-auto was the opportunity of seeing first-hand the damage a hardball round can do to a man.I was called to the old Miramar air station outside of San Diego to investigate an attempted suicide. A once low-level county politician, who became a despondent sailor, put his .45 to his head apparantly, but had such a terrible jerk (why he was troubled with anticipation of recoil in that scenario I do not know) that he missed the target completely, and instead, put most of his left shoulder--bone, flesh etc., against the wall behind him.When I arrived, I found the barely-deformed slug imbedded in a copy of the 'Air Almanac' in the next office. He recovered, I'm told, and is now probably serving in Congress.

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from Yohan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Ralph & fellow deer chasers.Just back ,. touh season up to know ,.. in fact the first season in ,many many years I have no meat on the ground before Thanks Giving.It's earn a buck where I hunted ,.in WI.And of course you just know ( 1,2,3,4) just like clockwork.Had a 10 point an 8 point a 6 point and the fatest forkhorn I ever saw ,.walk by so close I could hear them breathing,. but no does ,.can't shoot a buck until I whack a doe ,.. its maddening ,. but its hunting,.. and I love it.Also one hell of an excersize in self control,.. cause the 8 pointwas something specialAnd this ,.. end of the day on Monday after a snow fall previous night,..wind was tough,.. I was colder than a St Louis maddam's heart and stiff as pillar beded action when i started out of the woods ,..Then with no chance for a shot at 125 yds ( I know the distance) accross a corn field, against a hill side ,. I saw the biggest deer ( in body) I ever hope to witness. Too far,. to thick and too dark to make out rack size ,.. but when I first saw it ,.I truly thought someones balck angus got loose ,..Then it dawned on me I was watching a deer move through the undergrowth.It was so dam big it didnt even move like a normal deerSimply amazing ,.. we all hope to see one of those ,.. but never expect to much les shoot one as I beleive that "ilk" to be totally nocturnal,..Still as it stands I have counting this one seen two like that,One was not far from the Badger Ammunition plant in southern WI many moons ago( Barabou bluff area) and this one,.. location to remain sealed for now.I mean fellas this thing ( deer ) was so big even at that distance,..it simply dwarfed the three deer near it which were of average size. 135 - 150 lbs.To qualify this a little so I don't sound like Ive been into the cooking cherry I've been chasing the wily white tail ( this of course being no reference to a causacion house of ill repute) with some vigor now for about 40 years . So Im passed the bug eyed exaduration stage of younger hunters.The sheer mass of the dam thing just stopped me in my tracks.So,.. as cold and in need of hot drink as I was.Looking back on that moment it now appears to have posibbly been some kind of sign post ,.. certainly sureal and maybe,. possibly a moment of spirtualty ,..What ever it was it was something I will never forget.There are things that mean something and then there is the rest ,. this I think was a sighn.Wait to see about what ,..By the way I belive in signs would be pushing Daisies for sure if i didnt.So Ralph,.. sorry to hear of the portfolio blood bath. Stillas you know I can't advise ,..Solicited or un-solicited no formal relationship,.. no risk profile etc. And by now for many its kinda too late. Just hope the next guy in the white house has the brains and balls to get us back on track,. I would however (and have personally ) be looking to weed out bad erformers.I typically track em for three quarters if under performing replace,. also loss selling before year end ,..guess I can say that without shooting myslef in the foot.Off topic as they say i saw this coming 6 years ago ,.. but there was nothing to indicate it through mormal channels in the secrities business.No one but insiders knew about the credit loss swap scam until recently. Or better put until our economy was ( and is by the way ) balanced on the cliiff edge of horrible depressionHowever as I still own a small real estate apraisal concern ,..It was soon clear to me the lending practises i was whitnesing starting in 2002 were at best irresponsible and at the worst preditory and criminalA whole boat laod of mortgage backed securities (billions) were being sold globally on the premise that they were of a GSE nature ( government sponsored enterprise)when they were not,.. and that the US housing market would never go down.Please ,.. you me or the next guy does not need a PHD to know sooner o later every market cycles. IE:NOTHING goes up for ever ,.. not even slick willies willie.Congressional deregulation in 1999 and 2000 by a republican congress under Clinton was when we let the monster off the leash,..With Oil prices being what they were. manipulated (in my humble opinion) under the guise of increased demand from china and other venues including the Invisible Kingdom of big oil Causing the beginning of core inflation and eminent resession as I saw in Feb of 2007I saw no other course as of Nove 2007 but to start moving to stable value accouts,.. which is what I did. I was caught with some bank stock ,..( small banks ) that tanked too quickly so gotta ride that out,.. but on the whole I and clients who would listen missed the tremendous ass whuppin delt by the mutts presently in office. And I dont mwan congress ,. I mean essentially the main ocupant of 1600 Pennsylvana Ave viewd now by most of the rest of the world as the Bush sand box.I have however begun to buy ,..as i believe the there are some very goods deals especially in the "quality large cap markets"So on the eve of my favorite holiday and what I also refer to as the "feeding frenzy" about to takle place ,..Let us remember and offer short prayer for,..those who can't aford to hunt,..for those who dont have a warm house and bird in the oven and nice glass of wine ( or my case 4 oz of Gods liqid,.. the being Scotch whiskey) ,. for the troops away from home,.. for the fallen and for the forlorn,.. They are amoung us,.. the invisible,..the homeless thepoor and the destitute ,.for those who's dignity an self confidence has been stripped by the greedy in the name of profit and progress.For all the people,..who with just a little help (hopefully through a new leader) will be sooner than later paying for groceries and rent and buying a car an sooner or later a home ,..To all,.. not just the hunting brethren who are special to me ,.. but to allGod bless you and Happy Holiday

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

yoop, I almost forgot. Yes! Happy thanksgiving to all, and I mean it.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

.88Mag:No, I'm a wannabe. I hunt deer in NE Iron County, and Grouse throughout the U.P. I love the Keweenaw best because of the massive bucks. Also, because of the relative scarcity of deer there, you can actually track deer, assumming you have snow.Everyone:Happy Thanksgiving! We've all got much more than we truly deserve. Especially those of us that call ourselves Americans!YooperJack

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from lost my zero wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Mr Petzal,i read your tribute to Jim Carmichel in OL. Very well written sir!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

There's a ham that's been cooking since last night in the oven making everyone's mouth water and the biggest Butterball Turkey I could find thawing for tomorrow. My wife is now making cakes and pies and cookies etc... Blondie's chewing on my feet as I type and there are three kids playing in the living room the house is full of love. I have so much to be thankful for I can't even begin to express it in words. Happy Thanksgiving to all!When I bow my head tomorrow I will make sure to include Ted Stevens because of his raw deal (in my opinion and with only a small amount of information available in the last half hour on the net and because if he's a friend of dickgun he's a friend of mine) and exclude each and every political leader trying to drive my future into the ground. We shall overcome. I know I will, been doing it for half a century.

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from .88Mag wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

YooperJack,Are you up on the Keweenaw?

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from jack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving folks. Don't forget (not that anyone here would) why and to whom we give thanks.Now let's see...Kiss the dog,scratch the wife,count blessings,subtract tribulations, and.......well, at least it's a positive number. Could be worse.

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from LowRecoil wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Okay, as long as we're staying off topic...Chad Love: As a fellow 6.5x55 shooter, I'm curious. Do you handload, or shoot factory ammo? If you go the factory route, what do you shoot? I've found vast differences in performance from one brand of ammo to another.

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from rj wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The whole thing with Stevens was sad. The man spent most of his life in service for his country, and all they got him on was a contractor doing free remodeling to his home. What they should have done is have some one contact him, and ask him to not run for re-election.With all of the massive really dirty corruption in government, they could have done that. the guy is 84 years old, but no they made this a mess, the democrats got another senator, and watch, he will more than likely win his appeal.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sorry to stay off topic, but boy, there's a lot of LH shooters that show up here! You would think that every gun would be available in every caliber with all of us.Anyway, I bought the wood stock model. I thought that the weight would make it more stable. Whether or not that's true, I think its true, and that's all that counts. I've got a client that has the synthetic stock. I believe itsa .338. He loves it and says the recoil is nothing. He's a big fellow, though.YooperJack

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Yoop,I have found that an AR 15 on rock and roll does a real nice job of preparing a wolf.

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Off-topic, but Yooper my Tikka T3 stainless 6.5 shoots tiny little groups, too.I've got an FXIII 6x42 mounted on it and the whole thing weighs 7.3 pounds with scope, sling and three rounds loaded. Pure heaven to carry.I'd love that gun in a left-hand but the stainless 6.5s are rare enough. Doubt I'd ever find a lefty.Mine took a pretty nice eight-pointer opening day of our gun season down here. It's got a couple more does to go through and then it's going to start chasing coyotes...

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dickgun:I kinda figured that. I just think that I would vote for ANYONE who writes here before Frankin. I really don't like him! I'm glad you're around, though. How do you cook wolf?YooperJack

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,I, too, rise to applaude Ted Stevens. I have known him since AK became a State both personally and as a Senator. His case reminds me so how the BTF has ruined decent people who may not have filled out all the paperwork. Anyone who followed the trial closely knows of the many instances where the Judge seriously reprimanded the Prosecutors (Democrats) for misconduct. The appeal may well tell a different story. Regardless, timing the trial for immediately before the election had the desired result; we now have another Democrat Senator. While Begich may not be anti-gun, per se, he will have no choice but to go along to get along.Yooper J - if Dave had his tounge any further in his cheek in his Franken endorsement he would have swallowed it whole!!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

You gotta remember with Government and Military Staff….image is paramount.This fact was impressed upon me by a USAF major when I questioned how a captain needing to make major was put into the training shop. An exceedingly odd move since this captain who was pleasant enough chap never could get a handle on the weapon system. In short, he screwed up by the numbers.When I brought this fact up, the major replied, “Yes, but he looks good doing it.”This is something I always keep in the back of my mind when I deal with staff and bureaucrats, especially presently watching our great and glorious leaders running shit-ass scared. It behooves my fellow blogger-mouths to remember that major’s reply also with economic-socio-political-ecological collapse looming for 2009.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Granted, Stevens probably did something wrong. The oil contractors apparantly remodled his home, or a portion thereof. Why then, is it legal for a slumlord to pay a portion of another Senator's home (Barack Obama) or a mortgage company to give a sweetheart mortgage to a Senator (Christopher Dodd)? How about the esteemed Congressman from Loisiana (William Jefferson) who was caught with $90,000 in marked cash from a bribery sting? Dave, you disappointed me with your Frankin endorsement. He has unpaid taxes in 17 states, has failed to pay benefits to employees and is in general, a shcmuck. If elected, he'll fit right in.On another note; got my 30.06 LH Tikka. Mounted a 2.5 X 10 X 42 Nikon Monarch scope. That combo shoots unbelievably well! Unfortunately, U.P. deer are rather scarce this year. Can you tell me if that company also makes life-sized timber wolf targets? Tracks everywhere! I mean across the entire peninsula. I've heard that you can't even kill them to defend your dog.YooperJack

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from Pete Hansen wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well, is that any worse than 50 Senators and Congressmen gathering in front of the Whitehouse and applauding Bill Clinton after the vote for impeachment after purgery and other crimes? Had I, as a Government employee and manager been caught diddeling a female employee on goverment property, I would have had to arrange for someone to mail me sunlight and air to my cell! But, apparently, once they're elevated to little Gods and given the perks they feel they should be entitled, nothing removes the golden mantel they receive when elected. Frankly, I was surprised when Randy Cunningham was sentenced to prison. There must have been a lot of stuff not revealed in his case.

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from Katokoch wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave... you're forgetting there were more than two candidates in that particular senate race in Minnesota...

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

BTW, In Mo. we have a program called 'Share the Harvest'. Anyone that hunts but doesn't nessesarily like to eat wild game can turn it in for the needy.Shame on anyone who disgards their kill just for the trophy.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Del,I've already had three meals from our deer, if Ks. needs hunters let me know. I just can't do bow but I'm going to try again this summer and see how it goes.BTW, that rage broadhead does look amazing, my step-son showed what it can do.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Here in Eastern Kansas we have too many deer. The Dept of Wildlife and Parks would like hunters to harvest more doe. I deer hunt for the pure pleasure of being in the woods matching wits with a mature buck. We can take 4 antlerless and 1 buck a year. Nope my family wont eat the meat so I give it to a minister who gives it to people that need protein. We also deer hunt in Missouri and they have unlimited antlerless tags. This year my take was a nice buck and 2 antlerless from each state. All were tagged and given to others. All concerned are happy with this arrangement.BTW NOS but you guys that bowhunt should check out the Rage 2 blade broadhead. It does an awesome job. Flys like a field point and makes a great wound with copious blood trail. Shot 6 arrows last 2 years and tagged 5 deer.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 19 weeks ago

Had not been satisfied wih my B/P hunting till this year. My firsrt kill asa a 4" oak tree. Scoped that Hunterbolt and now it shoots almost as well as my 06. Killed 2 Bucks this year, one at l70 yds and one at l40.Both fell in tracts. Now maybe can be another Jim Shockley and make many $$$ with B/P. After someone suggeted to moist a patch and run it down teh bbl after the fist shot, then a dry one, that it made loading teh 2nd field shot better,it does ,asi tried it twice.Now go to clen the gun up,which I hate.I use Rusty Duck supplies for that job. Works well. Us huntersnever satasfied, not I want a break action /P by T/C scoped with a Omega scope. But my Bunter bold with a Dusk toDawn scope is great even 2 mintes till dark. Going to Va for a few weeks after teh 20th as Rifle season closes here on the 20th,but last (B/P) season in VA closeson lst Satin January. I use l00-to l50 grs of Power Built Pointed bullets. is 2"high at l50 yds, and what a hole it leaves. Hardly any field dressing required, but can kiss the fore-end good buy.Any you gius got a short simple receipt for Deer/Elk please post. Got tome Elk Steaks in Frig now with some gook soaking them in.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Jim in MO,Check you e-mail for the pic of very old match locks. Those must of been fun to shoot. Took the pics at the Tower of London. They had hundreds of weapons from the middle ages up to a WW II vintage cannon.

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from Del in KS wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Last Sat nite My son got married in London. At the wedding reception my daughter got a text message that Kansas beat Missouri in the annual border war game. It was a nail biter but oh how sweet it was. The groom is a Jayhawk, his best man is a MO Tiger.Jim in MO, Sorry we stayed only blocks from Holland and Holland's shop, but was unable to find time to visit.You guys that aren't seeing bucks need to hunt in Kansas or Missouri. Both have great buck to doe ratios.I actually talked to a couple of guys in London that are shooters. The UK gun laws are depressing.

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from Eocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Jim in MO: Seewhat the 30-06 does, ever scares the deer away.No doubt the 06 is a must sought after deergun, but many other calibers as well. To me nything from a 30-30 up is adeergun,but do prefer the 06 using l50 r. Scricco's, then usr l80's out west when hunting both Elk/Deer.My Marlin XL7 shoulfd be all set up by Sat PM. Leupold bases/rings and scope on tehn way. Was not happy with the 10-15 yr old scope had plannnd to use,. But today's Scopes farsuperior than of l5 yrs ago. Any one used teh Dusk to Dawn Banner by Bushelll? if so whats your opinion for early/latre hunting, Woods fullof acors, so deer can stay in the big timber all day. Had 2 come out tonight as ws getting my junk together to head home, Not sure of Sex, one appeared to be a small bucK//////Hopefully in the AM.

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yoop,Last night you mentioned 'new rifle jinx'. Boy don't that seem to be the truth. Seen deer for years with my .35 then got an '06 and it seemed forever for them deer to warm up to it.

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,Yes they do make Smokepoles that have the hammer on the left. I bought one of them about 10 or 12 years ago when I was helping coach one the Michigan teams for the MYHEC or Michigan Youth Hunter Education Challenge. It was one the rifles that they brought/bought for the kids that did not have a black powder rifle to use. Then they sold them at the end of the challenge for around $200.00With rifle season only being 2 weeks it is a little hard when you are sitting in Mississippi and Tennesee most of the week.I have seen more deer down here munching on the grass on the side of the highway then any thing else. The deer down here are small compared to the ones we have up in Michigan.I am about to make another 2 day trek back up to Michigan from Jackson, Mississippi.Tom the Troll.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey Tom:Sorry about the season. I'm hoping to get out with my TC New Englander. I've never actually hunted with it before. Didn't know they made LH smokepoles. Actually, I don't feel inconvenienced at all with the RH model.Interesting season! We had nice bucks come into the feeder, usually around 2 AM. We have a game camera. We have no pictures of antlered deer at the feeder during daylight hours. Between the wolves and the "new rifle" jinx, I guess I was predestined to fail. Oh well. There's always next year.BTW, I know a lot of drivers that haul Hdwd lumber. They probably would like to trade with you right now. Especially those that own their rigs. Things are really slowing down up here. I do feel for you though. We only get 15 days. If you can't make, tough. My son had the same problem on the sub. Much as don't care for fenced hunting, it's probably better than no hunt at all.YooperJack

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from Thomas wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

YooperJack,I know what you mean about the bucks being scarce in Da UP. Unfortunitly I have seen more dead deer along side the road then anywhere else. I was coming back from a run up to Cheboygan at the crack of daylight and wished I could have pulled my truck over and had a rifle with me. Out in a field was about 7 good sized Does. Unfortunity it is highly illegal to shoot right next to I-75 and on some one else's property. Ah well there is always next year. I have not had a chance to go deer hunting yet this year. My job has been keeping me out of State most of the week and when I am home I have things to do that keep me at home. I suppose I could have gone out on Thanksgiving Day but my wife said over her dead body. She had not seen me in two weeks and it was the only day she had off from work. Maybe I can go out for Muzzle Loading season. I have a nice left handed Thompson Center percussion lock that has not seen day light in a while.Hopefully you will have good luck and not get too much snow too fast.Tom the Troll

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Gators are going to CHOMP Alabama's Crimson Tide. Either way I'm cheering for the SEC in the BCS Championship game...

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Rky Mrn Hnr,Japan and China never flooded our markets with better built products. They just floded our markets with the blessing of NAFTA.Anyone thinks Toyota is great do some looking around. In '06 and '07 toyota had more recalls on there vehicles than they produced! Did the liberal media print that.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Appears all have and outstreached hand for a portion of the near Trillion our beloved Congress has agreed to give away with no strings attached, not even any accountability of who got wher and what for.Suppose we all need to file a claim for a small portion for ourselves. Yep, I'd like to start a small business with about 4-5 employee's. About 2 Million would get it off and running. Now the Education system is asking for it's share???? and the list grows. Back when Japan and China and other 3rd world countries was flooding the market with a much better built Auto,where was out big 3 then. These other countries just built a bette mouse trap and it sold. Now the ig 3 crying foul. What Company earlier and now, guarantees your retirement for ever??? even if goes bely up. Best we make out own plans for retrement, as you cannot live on SS alone. l wish someone would give me the e-mail address of whom I contact to get my SHARE of the give away $$$. Times were back 20 odd years ago, that you had to have approved your plan , but that's history now. All you gotta do is go thru a Gov. agency and ask. Believe will ask, what harm can I do.? And4-5 new employee's put to work will surely help our economy, right? My new Bsiness will be a traveling van loaded with firearms and may stop near the major big-box stres r Bass, etc.You may think I;m idding about the Van, but I'm nt. Was in Craig, C0 in 93 and a guy from NJ was doing just that. He traveled all over the US, trying to stay abreast of the gun shows where permits not a MUST have, same as Virginia for their Labor Day Celebration.If any you guys knw whom I should contact, I will contact our Senator who was a pot and pan salesman before he kissed the right Horse's A--.For a couple Million, I will kiss the same Horse. Shot-um-straight and often. The Old Southern Gunslinger

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

bucstopper & alabamahunterYou two Auburn-ites have my deepest sympathy and condolences since the Tide rolled over your sorry butts 36 to ZIP!Roll Tide!LOL

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from Bella wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I've noticed that the standard regarding bitching about politicians seems to be that we all like the pols we vote for and think all the other pols to be rabid weasles. Hence the 15% popularity of congress (filled with everybody elses pols) and the 95% reelection rate (we put the ones we like back in office). Therefore I excoriate pols from far away (whom I dislike) such as Mr. Stevens and that tool of the cultists Orrin Hatch (I think all mormons ought to be forced to go back in time and actually meet Holy Joe-then witness him boffing their wives/ daughters). Meanwhile other faithful Field 'n Steam readers wax perjorative about my Barney Frank (who I like a lot) or our Massachusetts Hero John Kerry. Hey, I understand, you antiliberals don't live on this side of the Hudson, you like the guys you keep electing, just like the cultists in SLC will keep putting Orrin in office till he mummifys and needs to be propped up in his senate seat.On other notes I too have been given the SSS advice. We were having issues with a Fisher cat that developed a taste for our ducks and the towns animal officer suggested the Shoot, Shovel and Shut up tactic. As it was I managed to get within 30 yards of the kritter about 4:30am one day. I know he saw me, I heard that growl like ripping cloth, but it was pitch dark and I wouln't shoot what I can't see. At any rate He knew I was there and they know when a body is armed (reference the blog entry about intent). Even though I didn't fire a shot that Fisher cat didn't come back.Our shotgun season starts tomorrow morning, I had no luck during archery season so I hope to be out with my old 12 gauge Ithaca Super Single. May Hern guide my aim.

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from sarg wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

yooperjack, Didn't do much good here in Ky. this year yet,Muzzle season cones in in about two weeks. Did find a herd of elk numbering 130-140 free roaming elk here in Ky. Want to see them e-mail me at sarg1c@hotmail.com you too clay..... Rockymtnhunter has already seen them.

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from dj wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Thanks to the lame-stream media, the Democrats get away with all kinds of shenanigans.

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from jon wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Let's not forget the US House of Representatives. That is, Rep. William J. Jefferson (Democrat-LA) is a ninth-term member of Congress, representing Louisiana’s second congressional district. Rep. Jefferson’s ethics issues, for which he has now been indicted, stem from his business dealings and his misuse of federal resources. On June 4, 2007, Rep. Jefferson was indicted on 16 criminal counts, including two counts of conspiracy to solicit bribes, two counts of solicitation of bribes by a public official, six counts of honest services fraud by wire, one count of violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, three counts of money laundering, one count of obstruction of justice and one count of racketeering. The indictment stems from multiple instances in which Rep. Jefferson agreed to perform official acts for 11 different companies in return for bribes payable to him and his family members. The 94-page indictment outlines in considerable detail multiple bribery schemes in which Rep. Jefferson participated.Of course, he is still serving.

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from Ryan wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

Hey, keeping off the topic as we are on this board, what is everyone's take on Sesame Street in the post Elmo era?(Just being humorous)

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

FYI - anyone interested. I found Gigantic Book of Hunting Stories at abebooks.com for $15&change plus bout $5 for shipping.

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from Ed wrote 5 years 20 weeks ago

I can top all these examples of how corruption is rewarded.Former New Orleans Mayor "Slimy Sidney" Barthelemy caused the flooding of the city.When the engineers of the Sewage & Water Board protested that the "floodwalls" the Corps of "Engineers"(?) wanted to build along the drainage canals(which meant graft for Slimy Sidney) would never hold,Barthelemy got rid of them.Just as the veteran engineers predicted, those phoney "floodwalls" collapsed after Katrina had passed,flooding the city.By comparison,as a terrorist Barthelemy makes Osama Bin Laden look like St. Francis of Assisi,for corruption he makes Stevens look like Mother Theresa.He is walking around snickering about it, protected by his fellow politicians.

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from ban nock wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

They got Al Capone on tax evasion. And besides Ted did very poorly in front of the jury. Had that attitude like I am entitled to have my home done over, look at all the welfare I bring my state". Now I know Alaskan's love welfare but there are honest ways of coming about it, and getting convicted of 7 counts of felony is hardly a good record to almost win a senate seat. Alaskans gota luv em, you betcha.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Paratrooper Dave:I leave near Escanaba, on Lake Michigan. Ishpeming is up near Lake Superior. That's north about 60 miles. I've worked up there alot. Lots of maple, with bird'eye, very hilly hardwood terrain and hemlock swamps. Neat area for buck tracking, except a lot of the corporate timberland is being chopped up and sold for residential and hunting camp sites.Scott:Thanks for the cooking tip. I think anyone in the U.P. can use that. Tracks everywhere and deer are way down throughout the peninsula.YooperJack

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving to all! I ate waayy too much, and considering mailing the leftovers to hungry people in Africa. To have our Senate celebrate corruption does not surprise me. After all, some in this country just elected one of them to the office of President. As for the rest of us, we should practice the old duck-and-cover routines during our daily activities. It seems the rest of the world is vying to be the first to test Mssr. Obama's mettle.To YooperJack: I would think you should prepare wolf like you would any other soft tissue animal. A little salt and pepper with some bacon grease and flour in a skillet over low heat. To quote Mel Gibson: Dog is a fine meal. Kinda tastes like Spotted Owl...;)

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Hi Lowrecoil,Both, actually. But the Tikka shoots the factory Remington Core-lokts so well I didn't see any reason to fart with a load right before deer season.After season's over I'm going to chunk the factory rings, put the 6x42 in a set of Talley lightweights and then try to work up a good 100-120gr. coyote load.

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from Concerned_Soldier wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,Happy Thanksgiving and all I have to say about our Congress who have a 16% approval rating, but a 96% re-election rate is??Term-limits, Term-Limits, Term-Limits!Happy Thanksgiving again Dave,V/RC_S

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

"Chad Love: As a fellow 6.5x55 shooter, I'm curious. Do you handload, or shoot factory ammo? If you go the factory route, what do you shoot? I've found vast differences in performance from one brand of ammo to another."I know this was not addressed to me but figured I'd respond anyway!First question is what is "factory ammo" for the 6.5x55?Just kidding, I got a few rounds of PMC ammo back in 95 or 96, mostly as I couldn't find brass to load, also got some military ammo that I use as primed brass, pull the bullets, load them up and use them for hunting ammo, as the brass is berdain primed it really isn't re-loadable so if you lose it shooting at a deer it's no loss. Just got my hands on a couple hundred rounds of fresh brass a couple of months ago and feel like I'm in heaven now! Especially as that PMC is well used by now and starting to crack quite often. I use the reloadable to work up a load then load up the primed military brass for hunting, only problem is I'm running out of the 200 military rounds now and will have to start keeping track of where the brass falls soon, oh well....

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,I agree with all your comments about Jim Carmichael. I first met him in Prescott,AZ in the very early '70s. Dave Wolfe, (Wolfe Publishing) whom I had met when he was still in Illinos, had recently moved to Prescott and was in the process of starting his Publishing Co. At that time Neal Knox was working for Dave and Jim was there, I guess, because Prescott was/is a hotbed for 'gun nuts.' If I remember right that was before he went with O/L but maybe not. Anyway, I then saw him often at major hunt shows, although I rarely see him anymore. He was always kind, helpful and a good guy to know. He never hunted AK with me to my disappointment.Perhaps the fact that you do not see his name plastered on every publicity media out there, nowadays, tell us all a lot about the REAL JC.

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from buckstopper wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

To All Posters; HAPPY THANKSGIVINGI have a lot ot be thankful for. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, My Family, My Work and the opportunity given to hunt,fish and shoot which fully extends the quality of life in general.BTW just got back from KY, took a heavy deer scoring over 150, the turkey is done upstairs and the sweet potato pie is calling.......time for football today, quail hunt tomorrow and IRON BOWL on Saturday. WAR EAGLE

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from Dave Petzal wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

To Lost My Zero: Thank you for the kind words. Maybe this is the place to add a few things that I couldn't get into Outdoor Life.In 1976, Jim invited me to go prairie dog hunting. Since then, just about every year, I've gone varmint shooting with him, and on all those hunts he has never taken a shot. Not one. If you are his guest, you get to shoot, not Jim.Second: There are no schools where you go to be a gun writer (and, thank God, no exams), so you have to do it more or less by feel, and some are more successful than others. Jim got into the business long before I did, and early in my career, I had him as an example. He was a two-legged poster for how much you had to know and what was expected if you wanted to be any good at it.When the full truth dawned on me, I thought, "Oh boy, I got some work to do." And so that tribute was my way of saying thanks in public, and I owe Todd Smith, who is editor of OL, a big thank you for the opportunity.

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from Dave Lamenzo ("Paratrooper Dave") wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

11/27/08Good Morning One & All !!!And, a happy and blessed Thanksgiving as well and especially to you Dave.Dave, you know when you talk aboutpoliticians in DC who set our nation's course it is so sadly comical to witness what they do and what they don't do. Term limits need to be swiftly established for all who occupy seats in the Senate and in the Congress.Yooper Jack, in regard to the wolf problem up at the UP, do what many of my rancher friends do out west in cattle country. Namely, they employ the SSS system - Shoot, Shovel and Shut-up. And, if a dead wolf-critter happens to have a transmitter on it, take it off and toss in the back of truck bound out of state.By the way Yooper Jack, I have friends in the UP; they live near Ishpeming. Is that any way near you?Paratrooper Dave

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The blind naivety of people who dont realize the deep corruption which has long rotted Alaskan politics(corruption is pretty deep everywhere but Alaska is awful) is unfortunate.

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from steve ferber wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Bad politicians are just too hard to injure in any way. Officers in my beachmaster unit rotated monthly to shore patrol duty when we were in port. One reason I was drawn to the .45 ACP as my favorite semi-auto was the opportunity of seeing first-hand the damage a hardball round can do to a man.I was called to the old Miramar air station outside of San Diego to investigate an attempted suicide. A once low-level county politician, who became a despondent sailor, put his .45 to his head apparantly, but had such a terrible jerk (why he was troubled with anticipation of recoil in that scenario I do not know) that he missed the target completely, and instead, put most of his left shoulder--bone, flesh etc., against the wall behind him.When I arrived, I found the barely-deformed slug imbedded in a copy of the 'Air Almanac' in the next office. He recovered, I'm told, and is now probably serving in Congress.

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from Yohan wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Ralph & fellow deer chasers.Just back ,. touh season up to know ,.. in fact the first season in ,many many years I have no meat on the ground before Thanks Giving.It's earn a buck where I hunted ,.in WI.And of course you just know ( 1,2,3,4) just like clockwork.Had a 10 point an 8 point a 6 point and the fatest forkhorn I ever saw ,.walk by so close I could hear them breathing,. but no does ,.can't shoot a buck until I whack a doe ,.. its maddening ,. but its hunting,.. and I love it.Also one hell of an excersize in self control,.. cause the 8 pointwas something specialAnd this ,.. end of the day on Monday after a snow fall previous night,..wind was tough,.. I was colder than a St Louis maddam's heart and stiff as pillar beded action when i started out of the woods ,..Then with no chance for a shot at 125 yds ( I know the distance) accross a corn field, against a hill side ,. I saw the biggest deer ( in body) I ever hope to witness. Too far,. to thick and too dark to make out rack size ,.. but when I first saw it ,.I truly thought someones balck angus got loose ,..Then it dawned on me I was watching a deer move through the undergrowth.It was so dam big it didnt even move like a normal deerSimply amazing ,.. we all hope to see one of those ,.. but never expect to much les shoot one as I beleive that "ilk" to be totally nocturnal,..Still as it stands I have counting this one seen two like that,One was not far from the Badger Ammunition plant in southern WI many moons ago( Barabou bluff area) and this one,.. location to remain sealed for now.I mean fellas this thing ( deer ) was so big even at that distance,..it simply dwarfed the three deer near it which were of average size. 135 - 150 lbs.To qualify this a little so I don't sound like Ive been into the cooking cherry I've been chasing the wily white tail ( this of course being no reference to a causacion house of ill repute) with some vigor now for about 40 years . So Im passed the bug eyed exaduration stage of younger hunters.The sheer mass of the dam thing just stopped me in my tracks.So,.. as cold and in need of hot drink as I was.Looking back on that moment it now appears to have posibbly been some kind of sign post ,.. certainly sureal and maybe,. possibly a moment of spirtualty ,..What ever it was it was something I will never forget.There are things that mean something and then there is the rest ,. this I think was a sighn.Wait to see about what ,..By the way I belive in signs would be pushing Daisies for sure if i didnt.So Ralph,.. sorry to hear of the portfolio blood bath. Stillas you know I can't advise ,..Solicited or un-solicited no formal relationship,.. no risk profile etc. And by now for many its kinda too late. Just hope the next guy in the white house has the brains and balls to get us back on track,. I would however (and have personally ) be looking to weed out bad erformers.I typically track em for three quarters if under performing replace,. also loss selling before year end ,..guess I can say that without shooting myslef in the foot.Off topic as they say i saw this coming 6 years ago ,.. but there was nothing to indicate it through mormal channels in the secrities business.No one but insiders knew about the credit loss swap scam until recently. Or better put until our economy was ( and is by the way ) balanced on the cliiff edge of horrible depressionHowever as I still own a small real estate apraisal concern ,..It was soon clear to me the lending practises i was whitnesing starting in 2002 were at best irresponsible and at the worst preditory and criminalA whole boat laod of mortgage backed securities (billions) were being sold globally on the premise that they were of a GSE nature ( government sponsored enterprise)when they were not,.. and that the US housing market would never go down.Please ,.. you me or the next guy does not need a PHD to know sooner o later every market cycles. IE:NOTHING goes up for ever ,.. not even slick willies willie.Congressional deregulation in 1999 and 2000 by a republican congress under Clinton was when we let the monster off the leash,..With Oil prices being what they were. manipulated (in my humble opinion) under the guise of increased demand from china and other venues including the Invisible Kingdom of big oil Causing the beginning of core inflation and eminent resession as I saw in Feb of 2007I saw no other course as of Nove 2007 but to start moving to stable value accouts,.. which is what I did. I was caught with some bank stock ,..( small banks ) that tanked too quickly so gotta ride that out,.. but on the whole I and clients who would listen missed the tremendous ass whuppin delt by the mutts presently in office. And I dont mwan congress ,. I mean essentially the main ocupant of 1600 Pennsylvana Ave viewd now by most of the rest of the world as the Bush sand box.I have however begun to buy ,..as i believe the there are some very goods deals especially in the "quality large cap markets"So on the eve of my favorite holiday and what I also refer to as the "feeding frenzy" about to takle place ,..Let us remember and offer short prayer for,..those who can't aford to hunt,..for those who dont have a warm house and bird in the oven and nice glass of wine ( or my case 4 oz of Gods liqid,.. the being Scotch whiskey) ,. for the troops away from home,.. for the fallen and for the forlorn,.. They are amoung us,.. the invisible,..the homeless thepoor and the destitute ,.for those who's dignity an self confidence has been stripped by the greedy in the name of profit and progress.For all the people,..who with just a little help (hopefully through a new leader) will be sooner than later paying for groceries and rent and buying a car an sooner or later a home ,..To all,.. not just the hunting brethren who are special to me ,.. but to allGod bless you and Happy Holiday

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from Jim in Mo wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

yoop, I almost forgot. Yes! Happy thanksgiving to all, and I mean it.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

.88Mag:No, I'm a wannabe. I hunt deer in NE Iron County, and Grouse throughout the U.P. I love the Keweenaw best because of the massive bucks. Also, because of the relative scarcity of deer there, you can actually track deer, assumming you have snow.Everyone:Happy Thanksgiving! We've all got much more than we truly deserve. Especially those of us that call ourselves Americans!YooperJack

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from lost my zero wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Mr Petzal,i read your tribute to Jim Carmichel in OL. Very well written sir!

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

There's a ham that's been cooking since last night in the oven making everyone's mouth water and the biggest Butterball Turkey I could find thawing for tomorrow. My wife is now making cakes and pies and cookies etc... Blondie's chewing on my feet as I type and there are three kids playing in the living room the house is full of love. I have so much to be thankful for I can't even begin to express it in words. Happy Thanksgiving to all!When I bow my head tomorrow I will make sure to include Ted Stevens because of his raw deal (in my opinion and with only a small amount of information available in the last half hour on the net and because if he's a friend of dickgun he's a friend of mine) and exclude each and every political leader trying to drive my future into the ground. We shall overcome. I know I will, been doing it for half a century.

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from .88Mag wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

YooperJack,Are you up on the Keweenaw?

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from jack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Happy Thanksgiving folks. Don't forget (not that anyone here would) why and to whom we give thanks.Now let's see...Kiss the dog,scratch the wife,count blessings,subtract tribulations, and.......well, at least it's a positive number. Could be worse.

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from LowRecoil wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Okay, as long as we're staying off topic...Chad Love: As a fellow 6.5x55 shooter, I'm curious. Do you handload, or shoot factory ammo? If you go the factory route, what do you shoot? I've found vast differences in performance from one brand of ammo to another.

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from rj wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

The whole thing with Stevens was sad. The man spent most of his life in service for his country, and all they got him on was a contractor doing free remodeling to his home. What they should have done is have some one contact him, and ask him to not run for re-election.With all of the massive really dirty corruption in government, they could have done that. the guy is 84 years old, but no they made this a mess, the democrats got another senator, and watch, he will more than likely win his appeal.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Sorry to stay off topic, but boy, there's a lot of LH shooters that show up here! You would think that every gun would be available in every caliber with all of us.Anyway, I bought the wood stock model. I thought that the weight would make it more stable. Whether or not that's true, I think its true, and that's all that counts. I've got a client that has the synthetic stock. I believe itsa .338. He loves it and says the recoil is nothing. He's a big fellow, though.YooperJack

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Yoop,I have found that an AR 15 on rock and roll does a real nice job of preparing a wolf.

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from Chad Love wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Off-topic, but Yooper my Tikka T3 stainless 6.5 shoots tiny little groups, too.I've got an FXIII 6x42 mounted on it and the whole thing weighs 7.3 pounds with scope, sling and three rounds loaded. Pure heaven to carry.I'd love that gun in a left-hand but the stainless 6.5s are rare enough. Doubt I'd ever find a lefty.Mine took a pretty nice eight-pointer opening day of our gun season down here. It's got a couple more does to go through and then it's going to start chasing coyotes...

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dickgun:I kinda figured that. I just think that I would vote for ANYONE who writes here before Frankin. I really don't like him! I'm glad you're around, though. How do you cook wolf?YooperJack

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from dickgun wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave,I, too, rise to applaude Ted Stevens. I have known him since AK became a State both personally and as a Senator. His case reminds me so how the BTF has ruined decent people who may not have filled out all the paperwork. Anyone who followed the trial closely knows of the many instances where the Judge seriously reprimanded the Prosecutors (Democrats) for misconduct. The appeal may well tell a different story. Regardless, timing the trial for immediately before the election had the desired result; we now have another Democrat Senator. While Begich may not be anti-gun, per se, he will have no choice but to go along to get along.Yooper J - if Dave had his tounge any further in his cheek in his Franken endorsement he would have swallowed it whole!!

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

You gotta remember with Government and Military Staff….image is paramount.This fact was impressed upon me by a USAF major when I questioned how a captain needing to make major was put into the training shop. An exceedingly odd move since this captain who was pleasant enough chap never could get a handle on the weapon system. In short, he screwed up by the numbers.When I brought this fact up, the major replied, “Yes, but he looks good doing it.”This is something I always keep in the back of my mind when I deal with staff and bureaucrats, especially presently watching our great and glorious leaders running shit-ass scared. It behooves my fellow blogger-mouths to remember that major’s reply also with economic-socio-political-ecological collapse looming for 2009.

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from YooperJack wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Granted, Stevens probably did something wrong. The oil contractors apparantly remodled his home, or a portion thereof. Why then, is it legal for a slumlord to pay a portion of another Senator's home (Barack Obama) or a mortgage company to give a sweetheart mortgage to a Senator (Christopher Dodd)? How about the esteemed Congressman from Loisiana (William Jefferson) who was caught with $90,000 in marked cash from a bribery sting? Dave, you disappointed me with your Frankin endorsement. He has unpaid taxes in 17 states, has failed to pay benefits to employees and is in general, a shcmuck. If elected, he'll fit right in.On another note; got my 30.06 LH Tikka. Mounted a 2.5 X 10 X 42 Nikon Monarch scope. That combo shoots unbelievably well! Unfortunately, U.P. deer are rather scarce this year. Can you tell me if that company also makes life-sized timber wolf targets? Tracks everywhere! I mean across the entire peninsula. I've heard that you can't even kill them to defend your dog.YooperJack

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from Pete Hansen wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Well, is that any worse than 50 Senators and Congressmen gathering in front of the Whitehouse and applauding Bill Clinton after the vote for impeachment after purgery and other crimes? Had I, as a Government employee and manager been caught diddeling a female employee on goverment property, I would have had to arrange for someone to mail me sunlight and air to my cell! But, apparently, once they're elevated to little Gods and given the perks they feel they should be entitled, nothing removes the golden mantel they receive when elected. Frankly, I was surprised when Randy Cunningham was sentenced to prison. There must have been a lot of stuff not revealed in his case.

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from Katokoch wrote 5 years 21 weeks ago

Dave... you're forgetting there were more than two candidates in that particular senate race in Minnesota...

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