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September 02, 2008

Bourjaily: Rifle Shopping at a Shotgun Shop

By David E. Petzal and Phil Bourjaily

When I mentioned in this space last week that I own no centerfire rifles it seemed to upset some of you. The last thing I want is agitated readers, and if that means I have to buy a rifle, I can live with that. So, last week when I visited Connecticut Shotgun Manufacturing Co., after I looked at shotguns, I asked CSMC’s Lou Frutuoso to show me something in a centerfire.

Connecticut Shotgun Mfg. Co, I should mention here, makes absolutely gorgeous A.H. Foxes, Winchester Model 21s, and Parkers as well as O/Us and doubles of their own design entirely in-house, right here in America. CSMC employs about 70 people in its factory housed in a former Stanley tool plant in New Britain, CT. Their work is world-class and you can drool over it at Connecticutshotgun.com.

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Anyway, here’s the rifle Fruotoso found for me: a sidelock O/U in .22 Hornet (you can click on a picture to enlarge it). The deep relief engraving, by Richard Roy of Hartford, CT, is inlaid with gold and depicts all manner of small game, painstakingly rendered in steel. That’s solid gold wire you see inlaid around the borders of the checkering. The action is scaled down to match the size of the diminutive .22 Hornet. Not only is this rifle a wand of rarified beauty, it would be perfect for facing down a charging woodchuck.

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The price? “$189,000,” said Joe. I set the rifle down very carefully and took the picture you see here. Surely someone else will buy it – one of you, perhaps? Me, I’ll have to pass, but I’m glad to see that such craftsmanship still exists in the USA.

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Mr. Livertin: I believe the gun you mention by Remington was first introduced on the market by EAA, of which Remingtn bought out a few years back. Now that Remington owns the rights, it is available in 30-06 and 45-70 : Model SPR-22 s x s rifle, walnut stock, retails near $900.00. When EAA had this gun retail was less than 500.00, now I could kick my A-- for not buying one then. But as with most of us we put off to long, buy when you see what you want and can get the $$$. Now will just use my 700's in 25-06 . 270, 30-06. A excellent buy in a quality gun is the new Marlin XL7, I got one of the first out and it is a dream, especially the syn stock fits the metal like it should, price near 325.00. O well, don;t want all the guns, just l of each.The gun above is available now, if anyone interested, let me know.

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from liveretin' wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wow! $189K!! Now I feel even better about my new favorite rifle. If any of you can find one of these Remington (Russian-made) SXS double rifles in 45/70, by all means snap it up! I am enjoying smacking metal plates offhand at hunting range with 405 gr slugs, pretending I am dong battle with bears and hogs and moose and buff, until I can actually go after some for real. What a gun for a retail price of under a grand (you'll pay more than that if you can locate one of the few that made it here)! It is light , short, rugged and fully funtional. With a trigger job and automatic safety disconected ($95),it is the real deal. Remington was nuts or unlucky to not import a zillion of these.

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from Tennessee Hunter Guy wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

.300 win. mag. is my all around caliber

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

O you Wimps: you all just envy Dave new gun. No, if had a million to spend on guns, that little 22 Hornet would not be one I would buy. Buy a functional gun in a Caliber you can use for all-round hunting, A nice 22 is a good pratice gun, but whenget serious of hunting, buy a 25-06, a 30-06, and maybe a 270. In shotguns, get a new ll00 in 20 or 12 whichever you can handle better . I do enjoy nice guns, and have a few of my own, but out of all I do own, I only use 4 regular, and thats if i go to the Rockies/ I use my ll00, 270 herer at home, now and then the 30-30 Marlin in in thick woods. For the money and quality and accuracy, the Rem 700 CDL in 30-06 using Scricco ammo csannot be beat. That and my 25-06 goes to the Rocky Mountains in 3 weeks. Hopefuly will have agreeable weather and maybe a trophy will show up for a clear shot. If not, I willstill have a great trip,sitting up at l0-12K feet looking our over the valleys. A sight so many will never see. I wish all true sportsmen could go ther once during their lifetime, as you will never forget that old Bull Bugle and the lanscape around you. Good hunting, try a different gun than Daves l89K 22 Hornet, sounds a tad high for me.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I'd buy that OU .22 Hornet and send it to Phillip and have a matching one built for Sarah Palin in .338 Win Mag and hunt with my '64 Remington 700 ADL on about 20,000 acres...

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"but if i had $189,000 dollars, i would pay off my house, build a barn, and fill it with other things that would be usefull."As would we all. But what if you had 189,000,000 dollars?

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from HenryJ wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

What a gun!! Way beyond my bugdet,but it's nice to see that craftsmanship like that is still alive.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

at $189,000 dollars, they can keep it! unless your a mega-millionaire, it is way beyond an average americans reach. it is a beautiful gun, and the craftsmanship is amazing. but if i had $189,000 dollars, i would pay off my house, build a barn, and fill it with other things that would be usefull. a 22 hornet wouldn't be my choice for a varmint round anyway. and, if i was going to buy a double rifle, it wouldn't be a varmint rifle either. i am certain some collecter will snap this up, and probabaly never even chamber a round in it. it will hang on a wall in a gun room somewhere, and be seen by a select few. what a waste.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

My old friend and hunting pard, Charlie Kimzey, passed away a month ago at the age of 93. He overcame much physical diability throughout his life to hunt "birds" (ie bobwhite quail) and whitetails. At 91, the last year he hunted, he shot two respectable bucks, gutted, and hauled them out on his four wheeler...alone. Over the years he owned hundreds of guns being a dedicated gun trader. Lots of these were side by sides. He purchased many of them new including M-21's, Ithacas, LeFevers, plus a few Superposeds. If you pinned him down to his favorite and the one that he thought was the best of the best he always replied A. H. Fox. He prefered the guns that were built in the first or second factories. I forget where they were located. He was not opposed to the ones made at the end of production but felt that they were not as good as the earlier models. He could wax on for hours detailing the qualities and shortcomings of any S x S that you could name. I am uncertain if he ever saw a Conn. Shotgun but I know that he would have agreed that it was as good or better than his first Ansley H. Fox. Charlie may you walk forever in the bird hills with your Fox and in the swamps with one of your Belgium Browning '06's. I feel certain that would be heaven to you.

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from Jack Bohm wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil, you need to come see me and the gang at the Dundee MI Cabela's. We've got a ton of fine rifles, new and pre-owned, to fit every budget. I don't work in the Gun dept or the GL- I'm in hunting- but I do know my way around rifles.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

What kind of boorish, tastless clods subscribe to this blog anyway???THIS rifle is a work of art, an almost living thing to be be lavishly held, cuddled, caressed and fondled by a lover. OMG, the curves, the lines, the faultless complexion of elegent wood and steel.Mr. Bourjailly, you are indeed a man who appreciates a true work of beauty...my hats off to you. David Petzel ...would never understand.

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Granted, that rifle is a piece of art. At that price, it should be. But are you saying that if my grandfather were to come back today and go in there and say, "OK, I want the same no-frills Parker I used when I was a young MD in Oskaloosa, Iowa, during the Depression, when my patients were paying me in pigs and chickens," that these folks could make me a copy of same for less than the GNP of a middle-sized country?

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

$189K ? What a waste of money.

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I have been shooting shotguns for over 50 years, and I have never owned a center-fire rifle either. My Dad has several center-fire varmit rifles that I shot before leaving home for college. We lived on a farm in central Illinois where there were (and are)plenty of groundhogs, some foxes and cayotes. Dad still lives on the farm; unfortunately, it's 900 miles from where I now live in Virginia. Rifles are outlawed for hunting deer in this part of the state. I'd have to drive about 40 miles and pay about $500 for a club membership just to have a place to shoot a center-fire. Bottom line, I still have no reason to own one.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"As an investment or showpiece?"Definitely as a showpiece and also possibly as an investmenr."No one in their right mind would ever take something like that out hunting, least not a real thru the woods and over the mountain hunt."If I could afford one I'd hunt with it. Anyone who can buy one of those has enough money to not worry about dinging it up.

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from paul Wilke wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That would take the joy out of squirrel hunting!The little tree rats, upon seeing that thing of exquisite beauty would just stand up, wave their arms and scream out (in squirrel of course) "shot me, shot me".

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

better put a recoil pad on that bb gun. someone give that man another sandwich!

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

remember when savage used to be affordable to us poor people? phil probably doesn't make 4 mill. a year like dave.by the way i heard dave was off writing a speech for obama and teaching him how to load a bb gun so he could pretend to be like us hillbillies.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Crud, you beat me to it, Get thee a Savage!Best rifle made for the money, you could get 2 or 3 for just what the tax would cost on that other "rifle".Mabey I'm Stupid but why do people buy rifles like that? As an investment or showpiece? No one in their right mind would ever take something like that out hunting, least not a real thru the woods and over the mountain hunt.Better yet get a rifle that you can have fun with, a SKS or AK even, grab a case of ammo and go out blasting! If you can find an older SKS that was actually made for Chinese Military use or Russian made SKS, they are accurate little buggers! Just avoid the made for US sales Chinese crap rifles, they ain't worth a hill of beans.

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from Mr. Smith wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil, that rife is unpractical to the extreme. Get yourself a Savage bolt action w/accutrigger and a decent Leupold scope. A 17hmr is a good starting point, although I love the hornet, it's expensive to shoot unless you reload. That rifle is a toy for the ultra-rich who are looking for ways to spend all their extra money. Where does that money come from?? In any event, that gun has nothing to do with shooting and everything to do with posing... Now go and get thee a real rifle.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Petzal is not in jail.He is in the Bahamas with one of the booth babes from the last SHOT show.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Aw, damn! a .22 Hornet. If it was only a .17HMR.

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from Carney wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wouldn't you know -- he picks out a rifle that looks like a shotgun...

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from CPT BRAD wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

CPT BradWTH!!You don't have a center fire rifle??? What's wrong with you??? :) Please Come to Arkansas so I can equip you with one of mine.Nice gun though. Too bad it cost more than my house, my truck, and upcoming trip to Alaska.Oh well I guess one day I'll get my priorities right.

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

One fine rifle. Phil, since you still do not own a rifle, please consider when you buy one, the ultimate function of that rifle. If you, by actually using it, intend to beat it up, then consider a synthetic stock. They are absolutely solid and will not "adjust" themselves at the precisely wrong moment. On the other hand, if you decide looks are of ultimate importance, then consider circassian walnut. I think it to be the most elegant of the walnut line. Caliber is "game specific", whether it is dangerous game or whitetails, or squirrels for that matter. In that instance, Hershel House will make you a fine .32 flintlock that will never fail you in the woods.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

O’Connor a shotgun and wingshooting expert?!?!?Ha! That guy was bush league when it came to shotguns and wingshooting IMHO.I can’t imagine a worse handicap in the Uplands by using a Winchester 21. Heavy and they swing like telephone poles, and Workmanship WAY BELOW standards for an s/s shotgun with that price tag.I suppose if a hunter was after stocked pheasants and had a dog, the 21 would be OK. Otherwise, sell that POS to a wealthy, nimrod hunter, take the money and run!

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil,I feel that you are patronizing the rifle shooters a bit too much. If you don't shoot a rifle, that is your choice. However, it might be good public relations to do more than buy a rifle, but to learn to like them. Gun writers perhaps can afford to be specialists, but I always enjoyed it when the O'Conner type trotted out the Winchester 21's and told about hunting birds...it made Jack seem more well-rounded.That approach doesn't hurt, I would think. We all have fun, and we all need the same Constitutional protection.Hope that your new dog is working out...!Tom Fowler

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Is Petzal in jail, again ?

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from Sd Bob wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

And I thought the Kimber 8400 in 270wsm I just bought seemed to expensive. With all the money I saved I can get 188 more!Anybody out there load this round? Seems I've read somewhere that the standard primers work better than the magnums in wsm cases?

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

way to go Phil! at least you looked. you will find the one you like. just do it before the general election just in case. and lots of ammo for it. we call this progress. stick with us Phil, we'll make you perfect and take you to the top! kicking and screaming if we have to! dave may be a little too far out though. science is still working on him i think.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That be a Democratic gun, or be it a GOP gun?BTW I think it should have a synthetic stock....as ALL pot -shooting rifles should have. :-)

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from Emmanuel wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

All thoughts on the gun aside, it's nice to see a company keep those artisans in a job. Paying someone who takes pride in his work and puts his heart and soul into his craft is always money well-spent, in my mind.

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Obama wants to raise ammo taxes by 500% and now you're showing us a $189,000 rifle?? What the hell? Is gun ownership and hunting going elitist like England where only the rich and connected can own guns and hunt??I just bought a used Browning A-Bolt II in synthetic and stainless steel with a BOSS in .243 Win. for $550 this weekend and it's a tack driver. At 100 yds, I was putting bullets into bullet holes. Never mind Minute-Of-Angle, I was getting Second-Of-Angle with this rifle.Screw the hoity toity super expensive elitist crap. Normal guys like me can never afford one of them, so I will never drool over them either. You can have it.

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from jes wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Dang, Dave, I didn't know your tastes ran into those brackets...I'd hate to have to handle your shotguns, cause I know how a thing of beauty is..but it scares me just to think of taking a gun like that to the field....I'd sweat the scratches more than the lost birds....seems unfair to the birds! Much less fair to me...

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from Tennessee Hunter Guy wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I just bought a brand new .300 win. mag. Browning X-Bolt. It is probaly the most fancy gun that i will ever own.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Fortunately I never liked O/U rifles. A hunting buddy last year bought a Conn. Shotgun in 20 ga. S x S which is absolutely breath taking when you open the leather case. It is even more appealing when you take it afield. I see no way to improve it as it posscesses no negatives whatsoever. I only wish I owned one.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I notice Bourjaily didn't mention the type of wood the rifle is stocked with. Nobody cares any more, but back in the day we used to argue about whether English, French, Circassian or some other walnut was the prettiest and best wood for gun stocks. They are all the same tree, but depending upon minerals in the soil, age of the tree, etc. they differ a bit. If we knew what this little gun was stocked with, that debate can finally be settled. Bubinga wood?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

So make up your mind, is it Frutuoso or Fruotoso? Not that I can pronounce it either way... I'm thinking he must see past all you F&S hotshots playing the "poor card" or he would have shown you something in the scratch and dent aisle. Think Remington Custom Shop and I'm sure you can drop at least one zero off that $189,000.Diehl, I wait until it hits 100 million. After cash payout and taxes your 50 will look a lot like 10 and a nice oceanfront view with a Ferrari in the driveway will still be unattainable. Hell the insurance is 6 grand a month on an Enzo. Just enough to piss you off and make your wife file for divorce... and she'll get the Ferrari and her young boyfriend will be cruisin' in it.

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from PbHead wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Nice rifle Phil but you still don't have one. I suggest you purchase a H&R Handi-Rifle in a mild caliber and shoot the daylights out of it today. You will have so much fun you will buy extra barrels for exotic calibers. Don't let Dave know how much fun you are having, he might want to borrow the H&R to have it engraved.

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

For the person who has everything I suppose... At least with an over/under they didn't have to regulate the barrels!

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from Mike wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

... and besides, it's just got a single trigger. I'd insist on a double trigger for those little beasties. Prefer a SxS for easier loading, too. Need all the advantage you can get with those hard-to-handle cartridges. Ejectors or extractors? ....

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from Mike wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Are those multi-leaf V sights on that barrel? Gold front bead, too. I think someone just wanted to engrave prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and foxes so created this gun. Just wouldn't be right with those little critters on a big bore. Very nice, but I'll pass ... just because, ahem, I'd have to add a scope and it would ruin the lines.

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from Tyke wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Presumably there is an addtional premium for a matched pair ? -- but at least that way you could have a further 2 shots ready in your loaders hands in case that woodchuck or squirrel really followed thru' on the initial charge ! [God but I'm grinning at the mental image conjured up as I type this drivel].Tyke

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Its not something Id ever even consider owning.But It sure is pretty and Im happy that someone is able to make them.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That's one beautiful rifle. At $189K we're talking about the sorts of things only an oil baron will see, or a Powerball winner. So I'll make sure I buy that lottery ticket whenever the big prize crosses $50M and I'll keep on dreamin'.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wow. Back in school I used to hear about "art for art's sake," and I guess that's what a double rifle in .22 Hornet is. Wish I could see it. Wish I owned it; I'd sell it, pay off my house and put both my kids through college.When it comes to guns, guys, the good old days are NOW.

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from Scott wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

that is a remarkable gun, beautiful!

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Mr. Livertin: I believe the gun you mention by Remington was first introduced on the market by EAA, of which Remingtn bought out a few years back. Now that Remington owns the rights, it is available in 30-06 and 45-70 : Model SPR-22 s x s rifle, walnut stock, retails near $900.00. When EAA had this gun retail was less than 500.00, now I could kick my A-- for not buying one then. But as with most of us we put off to long, buy when you see what you want and can get the $$$. Now will just use my 700's in 25-06 . 270, 30-06. A excellent buy in a quality gun is the new Marlin XL7, I got one of the first out and it is a dream, especially the syn stock fits the metal like it should, price near 325.00. O well, don;t want all the guns, just l of each.The gun above is available now, if anyone interested, let me know.

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from liveretin' wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wow! $189K!! Now I feel even better about my new favorite rifle. If any of you can find one of these Remington (Russian-made) SXS double rifles in 45/70, by all means snap it up! I am enjoying smacking metal plates offhand at hunting range with 405 gr slugs, pretending I am dong battle with bears and hogs and moose and buff, until I can actually go after some for real. What a gun for a retail price of under a grand (you'll pay more than that if you can locate one of the few that made it here)! It is light , short, rugged and fully funtional. With a trigger job and automatic safety disconected ($95),it is the real deal. Remington was nuts or unlucky to not import a zillion of these.

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from Tennessee Hunter Guy wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

.300 win. mag. is my all around caliber

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from Rocky Mtn Hunter wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

O you Wimps: you all just envy Dave new gun. No, if had a million to spend on guns, that little 22 Hornet would not be one I would buy. Buy a functional gun in a Caliber you can use for all-round hunting, A nice 22 is a good pratice gun, but whenget serious of hunting, buy a 25-06, a 30-06, and maybe a 270. In shotguns, get a new ll00 in 20 or 12 whichever you can handle better . I do enjoy nice guns, and have a few of my own, but out of all I do own, I only use 4 regular, and thats if i go to the Rockies/ I use my ll00, 270 herer at home, now and then the 30-30 Marlin in in thick woods. For the money and quality and accuracy, the Rem 700 CDL in 30-06 using Scricco ammo csannot be beat. That and my 25-06 goes to the Rocky Mountains in 3 weeks. Hopefuly will have agreeable weather and maybe a trophy will show up for a clear shot. If not, I willstill have a great trip,sitting up at l0-12K feet looking our over the valleys. A sight so many will never see. I wish all true sportsmen could go ther once during their lifetime, as you will never forget that old Bull Bugle and the lanscape around you. Good hunting, try a different gun than Daves l89K 22 Hornet, sounds a tad high for me.

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I'd buy that OU .22 Hornet and send it to Phillip and have a matching one built for Sarah Palin in .338 Win Mag and hunt with my '64 Remington 700 ADL on about 20,000 acres...

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"but if i had $189,000 dollars, i would pay off my house, build a barn, and fill it with other things that would be usefull."As would we all. But what if you had 189,000,000 dollars?

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from HenryJ wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

What a gun!! Way beyond my bugdet,but it's nice to see that craftsmanship like that is still alive.

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from DavidS wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

at $189,000 dollars, they can keep it! unless your a mega-millionaire, it is way beyond an average americans reach. it is a beautiful gun, and the craftsmanship is amazing. but if i had $189,000 dollars, i would pay off my house, build a barn, and fill it with other things that would be usefull. a 22 hornet wouldn't be my choice for a varmint round anyway. and, if i was going to buy a double rifle, it wouldn't be a varmint rifle either. i am certain some collecter will snap this up, and probabaly never even chamber a round in it. it will hang on a wall in a gun room somewhere, and be seen by a select few. what a waste.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

My old friend and hunting pard, Charlie Kimzey, passed away a month ago at the age of 93. He overcame much physical diability throughout his life to hunt "birds" (ie bobwhite quail) and whitetails. At 91, the last year he hunted, he shot two respectable bucks, gutted, and hauled them out on his four wheeler...alone. Over the years he owned hundreds of guns being a dedicated gun trader. Lots of these were side by sides. He purchased many of them new including M-21's, Ithacas, LeFevers, plus a few Superposeds. If you pinned him down to his favorite and the one that he thought was the best of the best he always replied A. H. Fox. He prefered the guns that were built in the first or second factories. I forget where they were located. He was not opposed to the ones made at the end of production but felt that they were not as good as the earlier models. He could wax on for hours detailing the qualities and shortcomings of any S x S that you could name. I am uncertain if he ever saw a Conn. Shotgun but I know that he would have agreed that it was as good or better than his first Ansley H. Fox. Charlie may you walk forever in the bird hills with your Fox and in the swamps with one of your Belgium Browning '06's. I feel certain that would be heaven to you.

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from Jack Bohm wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil, you need to come see me and the gang at the Dundee MI Cabela's. We've got a ton of fine rifles, new and pre-owned, to fit every budget. I don't work in the Gun dept or the GL- I'm in hunting- but I do know my way around rifles.

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from Visitor wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

What kind of boorish, tastless clods subscribe to this blog anyway???THIS rifle is a work of art, an almost living thing to be be lavishly held, cuddled, caressed and fondled by a lover. OMG, the curves, the lines, the faultless complexion of elegent wood and steel.Mr. Bourjailly, you are indeed a man who appreciates a true work of beauty...my hats off to you. David Petzel ...would never understand.

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from jim in nc wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Granted, that rifle is a piece of art. At that price, it should be. But are you saying that if my grandfather were to come back today and go in there and say, "OK, I want the same no-frills Parker I used when I was a young MD in Oskaloosa, Iowa, during the Depression, when my patients were paying me in pigs and chickens," that these folks could make me a copy of same for less than the GNP of a middle-sized country?

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from Andrew wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

$189K ? What a waste of money.

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from BarkeyVA wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I have been shooting shotguns for over 50 years, and I have never owned a center-fire rifle either. My Dad has several center-fire varmit rifles that I shot before leaving home for college. We lived on a farm in central Illinois where there were (and are)plenty of groundhogs, some foxes and cayotes. Dad still lives on the farm; unfortunately, it's 900 miles from where I now live in Virginia. Rifles are outlawed for hunting deer in this part of the state. I'd have to drive about 40 miles and pay about $500 for a club membership just to have a place to shoot a center-fire. Bottom line, I still have no reason to own one.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

"As an investment or showpiece?"Definitely as a showpiece and also possibly as an investmenr."No one in their right mind would ever take something like that out hunting, least not a real thru the woods and over the mountain hunt."If I could afford one I'd hunt with it. Anyone who can buy one of those has enough money to not worry about dinging it up.

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from paul Wilke wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That would take the joy out of squirrel hunting!The little tree rats, upon seeing that thing of exquisite beauty would just stand up, wave their arms and scream out (in squirrel of course) "shot me, shot me".

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

better put a recoil pad on that bb gun. someone give that man another sandwich!

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

remember when savage used to be affordable to us poor people? phil probably doesn't make 4 mill. a year like dave.by the way i heard dave was off writing a speech for obama and teaching him how to load a bb gun so he could pretend to be like us hillbillies.

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from Zermoid wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Crud, you beat me to it, Get thee a Savage!Best rifle made for the money, you could get 2 or 3 for just what the tax would cost on that other "rifle".Mabey I'm Stupid but why do people buy rifles like that? As an investment or showpiece? No one in their right mind would ever take something like that out hunting, least not a real thru the woods and over the mountain hunt.Better yet get a rifle that you can have fun with, a SKS or AK even, grab a case of ammo and go out blasting! If you can find an older SKS that was actually made for Chinese Military use or Russian made SKS, they are accurate little buggers! Just avoid the made for US sales Chinese crap rifles, they ain't worth a hill of beans.

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from Mr. Smith wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil, that rife is unpractical to the extreme. Get yourself a Savage bolt action w/accutrigger and a decent Leupold scope. A 17hmr is a good starting point, although I love the hornet, it's expensive to shoot unless you reload. That rifle is a toy for the ultra-rich who are looking for ways to spend all their extra money. Where does that money come from?? In any event, that gun has nothing to do with shooting and everything to do with posing... Now go and get thee a real rifle.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Petzal is not in jail.He is in the Bahamas with one of the booth babes from the last SHOT show.

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from Michael wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Aw, damn! a .22 Hornet. If it was only a .17HMR.

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from Carney wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wouldn't you know -- he picks out a rifle that looks like a shotgun...

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from CPT BRAD wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

CPT BradWTH!!You don't have a center fire rifle??? What's wrong with you??? :) Please Come to Arkansas so I can equip you with one of mine.Nice gun though. Too bad it cost more than my house, my truck, and upcoming trip to Alaska.Oh well I guess one day I'll get my priorities right.

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from Scott in Southern Illinois wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

One fine rifle. Phil, since you still do not own a rifle, please consider when you buy one, the ultimate function of that rifle. If you, by actually using it, intend to beat it up, then consider a synthetic stock. They are absolutely solid and will not "adjust" themselves at the precisely wrong moment. On the other hand, if you decide looks are of ultimate importance, then consider circassian walnut. I think it to be the most elegant of the walnut line. Caliber is "game specific", whether it is dangerous game or whitetails, or squirrels for that matter. In that instance, Hershel House will make you a fine .32 flintlock that will never fail you in the woods.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

O’Connor a shotgun and wingshooting expert?!?!?Ha! That guy was bush league when it came to shotguns and wingshooting IMHO.I can’t imagine a worse handicap in the Uplands by using a Winchester 21. Heavy and they swing like telephone poles, and Workmanship WAY BELOW standards for an s/s shotgun with that price tag.I suppose if a hunter was after stocked pheasants and had a dog, the 21 would be OK. Otherwise, sell that POS to a wealthy, nimrod hunter, take the money and run!

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from Thos. B. Fowler wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Phil,I feel that you are patronizing the rifle shooters a bit too much. If you don't shoot a rifle, that is your choice. However, it might be good public relations to do more than buy a rifle, but to learn to like them. Gun writers perhaps can afford to be specialists, but I always enjoyed it when the O'Conner type trotted out the Winchester 21's and told about hunting birds...it made Jack seem more well-rounded.That approach doesn't hurt, I would think. We all have fun, and we all need the same Constitutional protection.Hope that your new dog is working out...!Tom Fowler

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from lastearlofshaw wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Is Petzal in jail, again ?

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from Sd Bob wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

And I thought the Kimber 8400 in 270wsm I just bought seemed to expensive. With all the money I saved I can get 188 more!Anybody out there load this round? Seems I've read somewhere that the standard primers work better than the magnums in wsm cases?

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from james ti wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

way to go Phil! at least you looked. you will find the one you like. just do it before the general election just in case. and lots of ammo for it. we call this progress. stick with us Phil, we'll make you perfect and take you to the top! kicking and screaming if we have to! dave may be a little too far out though. science is still working on him i think.

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from Mark-1 wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That be a Democratic gun, or be it a GOP gun?BTW I think it should have a synthetic stock....as ALL pot -shooting rifles should have. :-)

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from Emmanuel wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

All thoughts on the gun aside, it's nice to see a company keep those artisans in a job. Paying someone who takes pride in his work and puts his heart and soul into his craft is always money well-spent, in my mind.

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from OrangeNeckInNY wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Obama wants to raise ammo taxes by 500% and now you're showing us a $189,000 rifle?? What the hell? Is gun ownership and hunting going elitist like England where only the rich and connected can own guns and hunt??I just bought a used Browning A-Bolt II in synthetic and stainless steel with a BOSS in .243 Win. for $550 this weekend and it's a tack driver. At 100 yds, I was putting bullets into bullet holes. Never mind Minute-Of-Angle, I was getting Second-Of-Angle with this rifle.Screw the hoity toity super expensive elitist crap. Normal guys like me can never afford one of them, so I will never drool over them either. You can have it.

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from jes wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Dang, Dave, I didn't know your tastes ran into those brackets...I'd hate to have to handle your shotguns, cause I know how a thing of beauty is..but it scares me just to think of taking a gun like that to the field....I'd sweat the scratches more than the lost birds....seems unfair to the birds! Much less fair to me...

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from Tennessee Hunter Guy wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I just bought a brand new .300 win. mag. Browning X-Bolt. It is probaly the most fancy gun that i will ever own.

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from ishawooa wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Fortunately I never liked O/U rifles. A hunting buddy last year bought a Conn. Shotgun in 20 ga. S x S which is absolutely breath taking when you open the leather case. It is even more appealing when you take it afield. I see no way to improve it as it posscesses no negatives whatsoever. I only wish I owned one.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

I notice Bourjaily didn't mention the type of wood the rifle is stocked with. Nobody cares any more, but back in the day we used to argue about whether English, French, Circassian or some other walnut was the prettiest and best wood for gun stocks. They are all the same tree, but depending upon minerals in the soil, age of the tree, etc. they differ a bit. If we knew what this little gun was stocked with, that debate can finally be settled. Bubinga wood?

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from Dr. Ralph wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

So make up your mind, is it Frutuoso or Fruotoso? Not that I can pronounce it either way... I'm thinking he must see past all you F&S hotshots playing the "poor card" or he would have shown you something in the scratch and dent aisle. Think Remington Custom Shop and I'm sure you can drop at least one zero off that $189,000.Diehl, I wait until it hits 100 million. After cash payout and taxes your 50 will look a lot like 10 and a nice oceanfront view with a Ferrari in the driveway will still be unattainable. Hell the insurance is 6 grand a month on an Enzo. Just enough to piss you off and make your wife file for divorce... and she'll get the Ferrari and her young boyfriend will be cruisin' in it.

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from PbHead wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Nice rifle Phil but you still don't have one. I suggest you purchase a H&R Handi-Rifle in a mild caliber and shoot the daylights out of it today. You will have so much fun you will buy extra barrels for exotic calibers. Don't let Dave know how much fun you are having, he might want to borrow the H&R to have it engraved.

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from Beekeeper wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

For the person who has everything I suppose... At least with an over/under they didn't have to regulate the barrels!

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from Mike wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

... and besides, it's just got a single trigger. I'd insist on a double trigger for those little beasties. Prefer a SxS for easier loading, too. Need all the advantage you can get with those hard-to-handle cartridges. Ejectors or extractors? ....

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from Mike wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Are those multi-leaf V sights on that barrel? Gold front bead, too. I think someone just wanted to engrave prairie dogs, ground squirrels, and foxes so created this gun. Just wouldn't be right with those little critters on a big bore. Very nice, but I'll pass ... just because, ahem, I'd have to add a scope and it would ruin the lines.

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from Tyke wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Presumably there is an addtional premium for a matched pair ? -- but at least that way you could have a further 2 shots ready in your loaders hands in case that woodchuck or squirrel really followed thru' on the initial charge ! [God but I'm grinning at the mental image conjured up as I type this drivel].Tyke

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from dartwick wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Its not something Id ever even consider owning.But It sure is pretty and Im happy that someone is able to make them.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

That's one beautiful rifle. At $189K we're talking about the sorts of things only an oil baron will see, or a Powerball winner. So I'll make sure I buy that lottery ticket whenever the big prize crosses $50M and I'll keep on dreamin'.

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from eyeball wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

Wow. Back in school I used to hear about "art for art's sake," and I guess that's what a double rifle in .22 Hornet is. Wish I could see it. Wish I owned it; I'd sell it, pay off my house and put both my kids through college.When it comes to guns, guys, the good old days are NOW.

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from Scott wrote 5 years 32 weeks ago

that is a remarkable gun, beautiful!

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