Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA, .30/06
Best Group: .117"
Average Group: .398"
Vanguards are all tested for accuracy. The ones that shoot under an inch are pulled aside and given floor plates marked "Sub-MOA." Weatherby utilizes a reinforced fiberglass stock with an aluminum bedding girder, and the quality of the rifle is very high. Oddly, it had the worst trigger of any rifle here, with a 3 1/2-pound pull, which was fine - except it was creepier than a centipede.
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This is awesome. It's crazy how good rifles have gotten lately. Especially the triggers.
I've been a tc icon fan ever since my wife got one chambered in .243 win. It is very accurate, and very easy to shoot well. It has considerable heft, but it is well balanced and easy to shoot offhand. This last deer season, she was able to harvest two very large does at 250 yards OFFHAND. This rifle is amazing. One question though, where did you find one with iron sights, i've never seen one with them except the one that you tested?
happy hunting
Love those Weatherby's, you get what you pay for and you pay a lot!
I'm kind of suprised not to see any Savages on here. My .243 put the first 2 rounds in the bullseye and the third a 1/2 low right out of the box. I've never seen a gun that accurate out of the box.
I consider the Vanguard an excellent choice, providing as good or better accuracy than rifles costing considerably more.
I own 2 sub-moa vanguards (.30-06 and .338). I absolutely love them. The california style stock really helps with the recoil from the .338 win mag.
kvlazer22 -- The vanguard (made by Howa) is cheaper than most of the rifles listed on this blog. Mark V's are the ones that will cost you mucho dinero.
Herbie -- Savage was number 2 on this blog.
Forgot to mention.....I heard that Howa received a shipment of springs for their triggers that were outside the tolerance and it wasn't caught until many vanguards were already shippped. I've heard that the "creepiness" was caused by these bad springs.
I just started hunting in '08 and didn't want to spend big $$$ on my first deer rifle. I bought the Marlin XL7 30.06 and was unsure of its quality as I paid about $350 for the rifle and $300 for the scope!
It took me less than 5 shots to range this at 100 yrds and I was on paper in the 9" area at 200 yrds. Marlin allows you to adjust the trigger as well. Remember, I never fired a deer rifle before, so I was very impressed with how lightweight this weapon was and how easy it was to clean up.
When deer finally came my way I was able to harvest two button bucks at 120 & 130 yrds! I initially thought I'd eventually trade this weapon in for a higher quality deer rifle, however after my experiences with this rifle; I've since changed my mind and will stay with it.
I've been looking into buying a new rifle, but with five kids money is a big concern. I have been researching the new Marlin XL7 for a while now, and see this review is much like the rest. Thank you, and I will be purchasing one VERY soon.
How much are these guns?
Marlin XL 7 30.06 I paid around $350 including tax
I absolutly love my Savage. It looks strange sitting in the safe surrounded by all those Browning and Remingtons but it will shoot 5 shot groups better than some of them will shoot 2.
Why is it that rifle makers constantly change things on their rifles. When T/C first came out with the Icon, I couldn't wait for a long action version so I could get one in .270 winchester. What do you? The long action version gets tweaked so there is no removable magazine. Maybe it's a military thing, but I like to be able to add or remove my rounds four or more at time.
I am constantly amazed at how the quality of production rifles has improved since back in the late sixties, seventies, and eighties. Insofar as Devil_Dog's comment on the removable clip, I know many people adore this feature. I have found that more likely someone will lose the magazine and not have a spare twenty miles into the mountains. Thus they are stuck with a single shot that is not the easiest to reload quickly. So for this reason alone I prefer a internal magazine well with an opening floorplate.
sounds cool
I also appreciate the Sub MOA Weatherbys I have a "regular" Vangard that only shoots .5-.75" groups. :)
nice
I own a SUB MOA in 300WSM. Almost a perfect rifle IMHO. Shoots amazing with my 190 Hornady reloads in front of Reloader powder at over 3000 FPS. That is serious NA game medicine. My sister, bless her heart, bought this rifle for me at a Sportsman's Warehouse in Mesa three years ago. I put a Timney trigger in the rifle almost as soon as I got it, and really do not know if MR. Petzal is correct in his assessment of the Weatherby offering. I like Timney triggers, have them in a number of my hunting rifles, and trust them to perform and upgrade the standard issue. My groups at 100 and 200 yards are so predictable with this rifle and loads. Highly confident with this rifle out ot 400 yards. I have it sighted at 275, and with the Leupold factory customized reticle (mil Dot) European Scope 3-9 x 50 I use the first dot above the cross hairs for 100 yards dead center and the first dot below the croos hair junction for dead center 400 yeards. I would not sell this fine shoter for any amount, maybe.
I alos own a Savage 7 WSM, (I bought it when i did not know my sister was purchasing the 300WSM for me) and it is also a great shooter. i am 6'3"" 240 ibs so a large frame rifle is ok by me. The savage is a touch small, I have the Weather Warrior with the hinged magazine, composite stock etc. This is a very serious shooter with both Federal factory rounds (Trophy series with Bonded bear claw bullets) aswell as my handloads of Speer, Nosler and Hornadys. This rifle's only draw back is the round of 7WSM does not seen to be as popular ar the 270 WSM and therfore is being overloooked by many people. The round really is a super performer. Holds trajectory (does not drop as fast) as well as any firemarm I have ever shot and there is a great variety of bullet weightsm etc in .284. I take thi 7WSM rifle and the 300 WSM to shoot toghter, and they are so similar in performance that it is hard to say which one shoots better. The accutrigger is great, adjustable, and the action size and metal finish on the Savage Stainless fits the Leupold Vari XIII 2.5-8x 36 that I have mounted on the rifle. lightwieght, a really good mountain rifle if I ever get enough $ (and the physical shape) to tackle a sheep or goat hunt. Either the Savage or Vanguard are both great shooters in my experience. i did do a Tubbs system polish in both barrels and the groups did shrink a little. I can cover 100 yard three shot groups with a dime from either of these rifles, so it makes it hadrd to say which I lke best.
Won an X Bolt at an RMEF event in December.338 Win Mag with a dura max camo stock. The rifle shoots good. I handload Sierra pro hunters at 250 grains with Hogdon powder and the rifle performed really well. I was pleasantly surpised the rifle's felt recoil was similar to my 300 Win mag. The barrel is 26 inches long, not what I would have ordered for stalking purposes, but helps performance and it is surprisingly more accurate than my 25 year old Sako in the same caliber that had a glass bed job, muzzle brake, and "action tuned" by a highly respected gunsmith company from Tx. II mounted on the X Bolt a Bushnell made Browning Scope with a 30 MM tube and 3-9 x 40 MM, Euro post reticle scope on the rifle with Leupold QR mounts. The back up scope is a Weaver Grand Slam 4.75 fixed power. The Browning rifle will shoot less than MOA with my handloads, but did not do near as well with Remington or Winchester factory loads. They were adequate for hunting purposes, 2" groups at 100 yards but not what I know to expect from my hunting rigs and ammo selections. It is a good looking rig and sgets a lot of admirers at the range. I am reloading some more Pro hunters and will try to tighten the groups next month.
I bought a Marlin XL7 for $300 and it is a awesome gun for an even better price
Excellent pictures......What's the price range on this rifle?
I was surprised to not see any Tikka rifle on there. Mine gets 1"groups quite easily. That is some very impressive grouping to say the least.
It's nice to be in the company of fellow hunters who know a lot about shooting, but I have to wonder why no one has questioned the accuracy of the "most accurate rifle" test? I'm astounded. Maybe I missed it, but I have to spend at least $250 to test enough DIFFERENT loads to find the most acurate bullet FOR ANY ONE RIFLE. Where is all the ammo tested? What about differences between shooters? Was this a lab setting? Sorry, but unless I missed something, this entire test is suspect. The ranking you see may just reflect the ranking in number of hunting trips donated to the Field & Stream staff. Don't kid, that's how it works.
If you have used most of the rifles available today you may not be as prone to question the results. Vanguard and Howa have been very good buys for the price. Devaluation of the dollar has recently raised prices. Of course both are made by the same manufacturer. This isn't the first test the Vanguard or Howa has come in first. Both are excellent quality for the price. Run a patch with bore cleaner down the barrel after every shot the first 10-20 shots at least. This is very important on some rifles depending on machining process and bit sharpness. May make the difference in a tack driver or pie pan shooter.
The Vanguard 300 Weatherby I shot before the days of being tagged Sub-Moa was performing well Sub-MOA. To this day the only more accurate was a $6K silenced SAKO .308 I recently had the pleasure to try at a range (3 in one hole, 5 group all touching). The Vanguard was about $5300 cheaper, kicks like heck, and loud enough to make you ears bleed.
Very useful article
The Savage is hard to beat for out of the box accuracy. I have a Model 12 BVSS in 22-250 .. accuracy is very good + I was shooting factory loads. But my Bushmaster Predator out shoots every gun I have. 1-8 twist, 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets "Amazing" I won't tell you the group size cause no one would believe it.
i just got a Marlin XS (short action) in 308, i am pleased to see the XL made this list...
only one question? why only 3 shot groups, seems all my guns shoot SUPERB 3 shot groups, but a 5 shot group really tells you how good the gun & SHOOTER REALLY ARE!
just dropped my marlin in a Boyds ROSS TH, LOOKS SOO SWEET! can't wait to get the rest of the ammo for testing!
I have been looking for the most accurate guns and this ones here is a great one to get the right rifle that I may use on my hunting trips on our local hunting spot. I got some hidden spot where I took big game trophy.
Want to know these guys' experiences here.
stretch mark removal
I love guns. I think Steyr Scout is my Favorite.
skin care
My Browning A-Bolt 2 (B.O.S.S.) in 22-250 will put them inside a dime all day everyday
I have a Mossberg Model 100 ATR in 30-06 that I paid $240.00 at Walmart that will out shoot all the rifle
that you tested here. I shoot 150 gr. Sierra Game King
bullets with 58 grs. of H414 Good shooting to you
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I'm kind of suprised not to see any Savages on here. My .243 put the first 2 rounds in the bullseye and the third a 1/2 low right out of the box. I've never seen a gun that accurate out of the box.
Forgot to mention.....I heard that Howa received a shipment of springs for their triggers that were outside the tolerance and it wasn't caught until many vanguards were already shippped. I've heard that the "creepiness" was caused by these bad springs.
It's nice to be in the company of fellow hunters who know a lot about shooting, but I have to wonder why no one has questioned the accuracy of the "most accurate rifle" test? I'm astounded. Maybe I missed it, but I have to spend at least $250 to test enough DIFFERENT loads to find the most acurate bullet FOR ANY ONE RIFLE. Where is all the ammo tested? What about differences between shooters? Was this a lab setting? Sorry, but unless I missed something, this entire test is suspect. The ranking you see may just reflect the ranking in number of hunting trips donated to the Field & Stream staff. Don't kid, that's how it works.
I just started hunting in '08 and didn't want to spend big $$$ on my first deer rifle. I bought the Marlin XL7 30.06 and was unsure of its quality as I paid about $350 for the rifle and $300 for the scope!
It took me less than 5 shots to range this at 100 yrds and I was on paper in the 9" area at 200 yrds. Marlin allows you to adjust the trigger as well. Remember, I never fired a deer rifle before, so I was very impressed with how lightweight this weapon was and how easy it was to clean up.
When deer finally came my way I was able to harvest two button bucks at 120 & 130 yrds! I initially thought I'd eventually trade this weapon in for a higher quality deer rifle, however after my experiences with this rifle; I've since changed my mind and will stay with it.
I've been looking into buying a new rifle, but with five kids money is a big concern. I have been researching the new Marlin XL7 for a while now, and see this review is much like the rest. Thank you, and I will be purchasing one VERY soon.
This is awesome. It's crazy how good rifles have gotten lately. Especially the triggers.
I've been a tc icon fan ever since my wife got one chambered in .243 win. It is very accurate, and very easy to shoot well. It has considerable heft, but it is well balanced and easy to shoot offhand. This last deer season, she was able to harvest two very large does at 250 yards OFFHAND. This rifle is amazing. One question though, where did you find one with iron sights, i've never seen one with them except the one that you tested?
happy hunting
Love those Weatherby's, you get what you pay for and you pay a lot!
I consider the Vanguard an excellent choice, providing as good or better accuracy than rifles costing considerably more.
I own 2 sub-moa vanguards (.30-06 and .338). I absolutely love them. The california style stock really helps with the recoil from the .338 win mag.
kvlazer22 -- The vanguard (made by Howa) is cheaper than most of the rifles listed on this blog. Mark V's are the ones that will cost you mucho dinero.
Herbie -- Savage was number 2 on this blog.
How much are these guns?
Marlin XL 7 30.06 I paid around $350 including tax
I absolutly love my Savage. It looks strange sitting in the safe surrounded by all those Browning and Remingtons but it will shoot 5 shot groups better than some of them will shoot 2.
Why is it that rifle makers constantly change things on their rifles. When T/C first came out with the Icon, I couldn't wait for a long action version so I could get one in .270 winchester. What do you? The long action version gets tweaked so there is no removable magazine. Maybe it's a military thing, but I like to be able to add or remove my rounds four or more at time.
I am constantly amazed at how the quality of production rifles has improved since back in the late sixties, seventies, and eighties. Insofar as Devil_Dog's comment on the removable clip, I know many people adore this feature. I have found that more likely someone will lose the magazine and not have a spare twenty miles into the mountains. Thus they are stuck with a single shot that is not the easiest to reload quickly. So for this reason alone I prefer a internal magazine well with an opening floorplate.
sounds cool
I also appreciate the Sub MOA Weatherbys I have a "regular" Vangard that only shoots .5-.75" groups. :)
nice
I own a SUB MOA in 300WSM. Almost a perfect rifle IMHO. Shoots amazing with my 190 Hornady reloads in front of Reloader powder at over 3000 FPS. That is serious NA game medicine. My sister, bless her heart, bought this rifle for me at a Sportsman's Warehouse in Mesa three years ago. I put a Timney trigger in the rifle almost as soon as I got it, and really do not know if MR. Petzal is correct in his assessment of the Weatherby offering. I like Timney triggers, have them in a number of my hunting rifles, and trust them to perform and upgrade the standard issue. My groups at 100 and 200 yards are so predictable with this rifle and loads. Highly confident with this rifle out ot 400 yards. I have it sighted at 275, and with the Leupold factory customized reticle (mil Dot) European Scope 3-9 x 50 I use the first dot above the cross hairs for 100 yards dead center and the first dot below the croos hair junction for dead center 400 yeards. I would not sell this fine shoter for any amount, maybe.
I alos own a Savage 7 WSM, (I bought it when i did not know my sister was purchasing the 300WSM for me) and it is also a great shooter. i am 6'3"" 240 ibs so a large frame rifle is ok by me. The savage is a touch small, I have the Weather Warrior with the hinged magazine, composite stock etc. This is a very serious shooter with both Federal factory rounds (Trophy series with Bonded bear claw bullets) aswell as my handloads of Speer, Nosler and Hornadys. This rifle's only draw back is the round of 7WSM does not seen to be as popular ar the 270 WSM and therfore is being overloooked by many people. The round really is a super performer. Holds trajectory (does not drop as fast) as well as any firemarm I have ever shot and there is a great variety of bullet weightsm etc in .284. I take thi 7WSM rifle and the 300 WSM to shoot toghter, and they are so similar in performance that it is hard to say which one shoots better. The accutrigger is great, adjustable, and the action size and metal finish on the Savage Stainless fits the Leupold Vari XIII 2.5-8x 36 that I have mounted on the rifle. lightwieght, a really good mountain rifle if I ever get enough $ (and the physical shape) to tackle a sheep or goat hunt. Either the Savage or Vanguard are both great shooters in my experience. i did do a Tubbs system polish in both barrels and the groups did shrink a little. I can cover 100 yard three shot groups with a dime from either of these rifles, so it makes it hadrd to say which I lke best.
Won an X Bolt at an RMEF event in December.338 Win Mag with a dura max camo stock. The rifle shoots good. I handload Sierra pro hunters at 250 grains with Hogdon powder and the rifle performed really well. I was pleasantly surpised the rifle's felt recoil was similar to my 300 Win mag. The barrel is 26 inches long, not what I would have ordered for stalking purposes, but helps performance and it is surprisingly more accurate than my 25 year old Sako in the same caliber that had a glass bed job, muzzle brake, and "action tuned" by a highly respected gunsmith company from Tx. II mounted on the X Bolt a Bushnell made Browning Scope with a 30 MM tube and 3-9 x 40 MM, Euro post reticle scope on the rifle with Leupold QR mounts. The back up scope is a Weaver Grand Slam 4.75 fixed power. The Browning rifle will shoot less than MOA with my handloads, but did not do near as well with Remington or Winchester factory loads. They were adequate for hunting purposes, 2" groups at 100 yards but not what I know to expect from my hunting rigs and ammo selections. It is a good looking rig and sgets a lot of admirers at the range. I am reloading some more Pro hunters and will try to tighten the groups next month.
I bought a Marlin XL7 for $300 and it is a awesome gun for an even better price
Excellent pictures......What's the price range on this rifle?
I was surprised to not see any Tikka rifle on there. Mine gets 1"groups quite easily. That is some very impressive grouping to say the least.
If you have used most of the rifles available today you may not be as prone to question the results. Vanguard and Howa have been very good buys for the price. Devaluation of the dollar has recently raised prices. Of course both are made by the same manufacturer. This isn't the first test the Vanguard or Howa has come in first. Both are excellent quality for the price. Run a patch with bore cleaner down the barrel after every shot the first 10-20 shots at least. This is very important on some rifles depending on machining process and bit sharpness. May make the difference in a tack driver or pie pan shooter.
The Vanguard 300 Weatherby I shot before the days of being tagged Sub-Moa was performing well Sub-MOA. To this day the only more accurate was a $6K silenced SAKO .308 I recently had the pleasure to try at a range (3 in one hole, 5 group all touching). The Vanguard was about $5300 cheaper, kicks like heck, and loud enough to make you ears bleed.
Very useful article
The Savage is hard to beat for out of the box accuracy. I have a Model 12 BVSS in 22-250 .. accuracy is very good + I was shooting factory loads. But my Bushmaster Predator out shoots every gun I have. 1-8 twist, 77 grain Sierra Match King bullets "Amazing" I won't tell you the group size cause no one would believe it.
i just got a Marlin XS (short action) in 308, i am pleased to see the XL made this list...
only one question? why only 3 shot groups, seems all my guns shoot SUPERB 3 shot groups, but a 5 shot group really tells you how good the gun & SHOOTER REALLY ARE!
just dropped my marlin in a Boyds ROSS TH, LOOKS SOO SWEET! can't wait to get the rest of the ammo for testing!
I have been looking for the most accurate guns and this ones here is a great one to get the right rifle that I may use on my hunting trips on our local hunting spot. I got some hidden spot where I took big game trophy.
Want to know these guys' experiences here.
stretch mark removal
I love guns. I think Steyr Scout is my Favorite.
skin care
My Browning A-Bolt 2 (B.O.S.S.) in 22-250 will put them inside a dime all day everyday
I have a Mossberg Model 100 ATR in 30-06 that I paid $240.00 at Walmart that will out shoot all the rifle
that you tested here. I shoot 150 gr. Sierra Game King
bullets with 58 grs. of H414 Good shooting to you
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