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June 03, 2010

Deeter: Unveiling the Latest in Fly Rod Technology

By Kirk Deeter

The last couple years have been pretty tame as far as new rod introductions in the fly fishing world. With the exception of Orvis' Helios, I haven't seen any earth-shaking new sticks... mostly next generation modifications, and slight twists on products already in the pipeline. The tough economy/soft market had a lot to do with that.

That's going to change in the year ahead, on both the low-pricepoint and high-performance sides of the market. So let's take a look at what's new.

First, St. Croix has just unveiled a new rod called the "Rio Santo" (which means Holy River but might just as well be called "Vaca Santo" ... Holy Cow), because it only costs $120. It's light on frills, (no rod tube, simple reel seat), but having cast it, I am telling you that 99.9% of fly anglers will not be able to tell a difference from other much pricier rods. St. Croix makes these rods in Mexico, and in so doing, has positioned itself to do some whuppin' on Temple Fork and other importers from Asia.

On the high-end side... Loomis is just about to unveil a new rod series designed by Steve Rajeff. When Loomis talks innovation, people tend to listen, especially considering what GLX graphite did to shake up the rod world 17 years ago. This time Rajeff claims the rod weights have been cut down almost 20 percent by way of a new graphite construction process with epoxy additives. I'm sure it will be love at first cast when I meet one of these rods...

Not to be outdone, however, Hardy & Greys, has just shouted across the Atlantic that they will be launching a rod series in early 2011 that is 30 percent lighter, and virtually unbreakable (60% stronger than current graphite rods). Made with a new material they call Sintrix (an enhanced resin), the rods are so tough that Hardy consultant and tarpon fishing champion Andy Mill reportedly just landed an 80-pound silver king with one of these rods in four minutes. If you want to see the power for yourself, check out the video below of a 55-pound shark getting fought on a Sintrix 7-weight. That's a hell of a bend...

There are other rods to be watching as well. Scott is going retro with a very sweet line of new fiberglass sticks this fall. Great Bay Rod Company has landed in a niche of producing high-end-quality, made- in-America rods for just under $400. I also have a Fly Talk product review coming soon on a Cabela's stick that I thought was a flamethrower at a cost of under $200...

This is all good news for the fly guy. I see the market coming out of the doldrums. The innovation wheels are turning. And you and I will have many more options for saving money, and/or realizing some performance advantages in the near future. At least you'll have a better excuse to buy yourself a rod...

I'll keep you posted on what else I hear.

Deeter

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Any of the above being sold as blanks for custom builders?

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from conway wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

kd

Good stuff!

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I will have to assume the Sintrex rod is a fast action rod. Either way I know of no other rod that could bend like that without breaking.

It's nice to know that G. Loomis is back on track with innovation. I have owned a couple GLX's for years and have been waiting for their next big deal for sometime. G. Loomis Company has changed hands, stopped selling blanks and (I think) stopped making blanks for other companies in the past decade which left me guessing on what direction my favorite rod manufacturer was headed. I did recently pick up a very nice Loomis Bronzeback for bass fishing and it is nothing short of a spectacular rod.

I cut my teeth on fly fishing St. Croix rods and have nothing but good things to say about them. For the quality of guides, cork and reel seats they continue to be a great value.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Good question Koldkut... I doubt it (especially after Loomis got out of blanks recently), but I'll find out.

Thanks Conway.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I'm a party pooper on this one, and have gone back to using the old IM-6 graphite formulation, and like the actions that were built using IM-6. It lends itself to a nice casting Med. fast action rod. All the "20% lighter" stuff means thinner blanks that can be cracked easier, and after adding a reel and line, the slight difference in a rod's wt. becomes negligible.
But then again, I can pick up a newer model 8wt rod that feels like the 5wts. use to a few years back. Guess I own too many rods, and don't want to buy a new one, What gets me mad is when Sage comes out with a new model, and then eliminates the model I just purchased a few years ago!!

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from Nycflyangler wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Nice to see a rod that's made in North America. I don't much like buying stuff made in the PRC, the evilest place in the world outside of North Korea.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

buckhunter, I don't think you have to assume that the rod is a fast action rod. Sage ran the same ad a long time ago suggesting they had the problem of the stiffer graphite rods exploding when their load was exceeded solved. New apoxy resins I believe was the improvement, and they continue to improve those resins. Playing a fish on a rod is one thing, and dead lifting a big fish to the boat from deeper water is another thing. I don't think the rod action has anything to do with it...the rod has to be forgiving when load limits are reached. Fiberglass was very forgiving in that regard, just didn't have the casting properties of graphite. In that regard epoxy liquid, any liquid is heavy. The challenge is to maintain strength, and use less of a bonding liquid. Fiberglass driftboats have the same challenge. There is a lot of weight in the epoxy, bonding agent used to make the boat. I think I am right on this subject..probably needs some modifications. I use to make rods commercially, and toured the Sage plant on Bambridge, Island, WA.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Sayfu, I feel your pain and I too am a Sage guy. See, Bainbridge Island, Sage country, is just a 30min ferry boat ride from my place in Seattle. You might say alot of great rods were engineered, designed AND produced in Washington State. A one time fishing partner of mine, Gary Loomis started here and I still own his first fly
rods...anyone remember his first company, LCI, Loomis Composite Industries? My "Striker" 96% graphite was, and still is a very responsive med/fast action trout slayer.

But hey party pooper, I digress...get out of the IM6 heavies and jump into the St. Croix's, Scott's, Hardys and Helios world, you know you're gonna love 'em, right?
And my brother, I disagree with you on one point...and this is something I've been preaching to my wife for years...You Can't Ever Have Too Many Rods! Just ask buckhunter!

Thanks Deeter, good job.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I gotcha. I own two Sage SP rods that are a medium action I would describe them, a great trout rod, and they discontinued that. Then I bought a Sage XP rod in a 9' 7wt, and they discontinued that rod, and it is a great rod. I have 3 of their original IM-6 trout rods, and use them often. I think I just like to pick up and fish different rods, and have good things to say about them when I use them. LCI was not the first co. Loomis worked for, however. He was a production guy for Lamiglass,.. failed in that job, and failed in his LCI endeavor, and then got into GLOMMIS and was a success...story of many entrepreneurs. I knew Gary Loomis. He gave me a great Loomis rod with my name on it that I still have to guide in Alaska with. The lodge I worked for on the Alagnak River was just downstream from his Katmai Lodge. I told him I'd promote his rods, and he said, "Sure, I'll provide you one with two tips, and your name on it."
Now, I've done my name dropping for the day. Tight lines.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Correction...I had a brain fart...Loomis did not own Katmai Lodge, but he was up there most of the Summer I guided on the Alagnak. I just remembered, Tony Sarp owned the Katmai Lodge, and he lived in Everett. And I told my wife about the post who is my fishing partner, and she said, "Gary gave you two rods," He also gave me a 9' 6" 6wt. IM-6 rod that he also put my name on, and then I fell wading the upper Green for steelhead, and broke the butt section...had it replaced, but a no name rod now. And that is why I likely pick up that IM-6 rod so much and fish with it. Thanks for letting me reminisce about the good 'ol days.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

...Sayfu, my pleasure.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Sayfu,

I have little knowledge of saltwater rods. I only assume they are fast action to cut the wind while casting and to get a good hookset on the toothy critters that swim the ocean.

My comment was to suggest amazement that a fast rod could still bend that much.

I agree with your assessment of the IM-6 blank. They were a huge jump from the generaation of rods produced prior but my IM-6's sit in the corner after I got my IMX and now my IMX sits in the corner after I got my GLX. I'm wondering if my GLX will sit in the corner some day.

The difference between a good fly rod and a poor fly rod is like the difference between a Cross pen and a crayon.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I see your reasoning now. I just enjoy casting different actions and makers of rods to keep my interest up. I've got an old, refurbished bamboo that I'll probably get an erg to fish one of these days. I haven't been a proponent of bamboo, and as I get older, I like to have the rod do the work vs. having to aggressively stroke a fast action rod to get the rod to load up. Salt water is a different critter, but for most of my freshwater fishing, I like medium to medium fast action rods that are more relaxing to cast. I'm 1/2 into, not totally committed to spey casting with a switch rod, a 10 1/2 fter, to make the effort more efficient, and easier as well.(for trout) Good fly rods are somewhat personal depending on ones casting stroke, and approach to fly fishing. I see young guys false casting as if it were work making aggressive false casts, and way too many of them. Efficiency, and ease of casting in order to get the job done is my focus as I get older.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I fish some bamboo when the feeling strikes. I went through a phase in the late 90's when I picked up 25-30 cheap bamboo rods. I would cut them down to 7-7 1/2 footers then outfit them with new guides, reel seats and cork. I managed to build a couple dandies that I enjoy fishing. They also go well with my collection of old fly reels. If I could only find some cat gut leaders...

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

buckhunter, You are on my wave path. A 7 1/2 ft bamboo has been my thinking with the wt. then not a big factor. I have an 8fter that a Dr. friend of mine refurbished after taking a bamboo building class. They brought back those short, fiberglass rods that would also fill that lt rod, nice flex slot pretty well, but they want a lot for them. I've been a strong proponent of function, and have rejected that nostalgia stuff. I'm a fiberglass driftboat guy, and don't care to get into the wood boats other than to look at some really good looking ones.
I own 4 Hardy reels, and have beat myself up good for not getting more of them! I bought my Dr. friend the three size reel series of Hardy Perfects for $35 ea. at my discount, and then never got any for myself!!(and I reel rt. handed/cast rt.) I see they brought the Model Perfect back in a limited amount for $900 !!!! I'm a click reel guy, and don't see a need for a disc drag. Another sickening story...I left a Sage Rod, and a Hardy Princess reel along the boat ramp, and rowed off without it!

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

i love st. croix but have a problem with the made in mexico thing. why can't they be made here? just wondering. guess i'll keep looking at the others for my new one this year.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Here's a way to look at it. Do you want to buy a $80 rod?..or pay US labor prices and pay $350 for the same rod? The US techicians can set up the quality control in Mexico, and make them just as good, as long as they set it up, and oversee the operation.

Think of it this way..If it were made in the USA there would be very little sales. Being made in Mexico for an attractive price provides jobs for the distributors, the retail guys here in the USA, the co. guys that have them made in Mexico, sales reps etc., even the guys that write the articles about them.
And how about this benefit?..jobs for Mexicans making the rods so they don't have to enter the USA illegally looking for a job!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Hey Sayfu...you brought up several good points just now. Seems US labor is the evil thread in the fabric of our fishing life and livelihoods. So, outsourcing has it's benefits...

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Absolutely! Most liberals don't see the benefits! They want US UNION jobs that end up like General Motors, and the tax payer is forced to bail them out time and again. The libdems in congress just proposed a 200Billion dollar spending bill on top of the 800B stimulus bill that didn't work! 165B was for having the tax payer replenish the mismanaged union pension funds!!! Sounds like a great plan no?
Here is another one on US labor. Liberals attack China as if we shouldn't buy their inexpensive goods. Let me get this straight. Someone makes a buck, and their buck goes farther buying cheap, Chinese goods..their wealth increases!... and then the Chinamen gets our dollars. Would you like to tell me what the Chinaman can do with the dollars he has collected? lol Besides all the jobs created in this country by buying the Chinese goods, I'll wait for your response on what the Chinaman can do with his dollars. lol. Let's see if a liberal knows anything about economics.

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from TheSheriff wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

US Labor is not the evil thread at all. The evil thread is corporate greed. Don't be fooled by corporate justification for offshore manufacturing. They don't move manufacturing out of the US to keep costs low for the consumer (heck no), they do it so they can further puff-up their profit margins. Think about that the next time you're casting the $10 fly rod you just paid $120 for. Bear in mind that the lowest price never means it is the least expensive. I'm for jobs in the US. Just my $.02

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

TheSheriff,
now tell us you by everything you can made in the USA...other's pay a $1 for the item sold at WalMart, but you pay $10 at the corner store, made in the good'ol USA.

If it weren't for a lot of co.'s doing the same thing, you might be able to pull it off, but they are all doing the same thing.... Our corporate taxes are the highest in the industrialized world just for starters...jobs leave, co.'s move.

And maybe you can tell us what the Chinaman can do with the dollar he recieves for selling us inexpensive goods that even YOU are happy to buy.

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from TheSheriff wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

While this is not an appropriate forum for the depth of this topic. I will provide this final response to the query. I agree our corporate taxes are the highest in the industrialized world, no argument. These taxes levied shamelessly by our government (read: corporate greed) and frankly tolerated by us all, perpetuating the curse. But our government is not willing to admit its Achilles heel ... it cannot govern human nature and its appetite for "things" and it cannot cap income in a capitalist society (can it?), leaving the "suppliers of things" to rule the day. Make no mistake who's in charge. They do have a choice. So does the consumer.
By the way, the Chinese doing the manufacturing are poorly treated and generally receive a meager food ration for payment. As far as what the Chinese can do with our dollar? I'll leave that to your imagination. And lastly, I am not happy to buy any product not manufactured in the USA. I was raised better than that. Signing off.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Sheriff....a word on free market capitalism. First off it is the consumer that makes the choice, not choices being forced on the consumer by the govt. Law of economics says the gpvt can not force you to buy anything, and is why we will continue to subsidize GM because the environmentalists have forced 1 out of 4 cars that will be manufactured to be "clown cars" that the consumer is forced to buy.
Secondly, a Dollar has to be spent in the USA, unless the Chinese want to wallpaper their walls with them. The dollar has to be re-invested back into the USA...we get a double wammy..our dollars go further when we buy, and then the dollar has to return home as an investment in our economy. I'm for unions if they can be competitive...not if the taxpayer has to subsidize them.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Nice to see a rod that's made in North America. I don't much like buying stuff made in the PRC, the evilest place in the world outside of North Korea.

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from jamesti wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

i love st. croix but have a problem with the made in mexico thing. why can't they be made here? just wondering. guess i'll keep looking at the others for my new one this year.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Here's a way to look at it. Do you want to buy a $80 rod?..or pay US labor prices and pay $350 for the same rod? The US techicians can set up the quality control in Mexico, and make them just as good, as long as they set it up, and oversee the operation.

Think of it this way..If it were made in the USA there would be very little sales. Being made in Mexico for an attractive price provides jobs for the distributors, the retail guys here in the USA, the co. guys that have them made in Mexico, sales reps etc., even the guys that write the articles about them.
And how about this benefit?..jobs for Mexicans making the rods so they don't have to enter the USA illegally looking for a job!

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from TheSheriff wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

US Labor is not the evil thread at all. The evil thread is corporate greed. Don't be fooled by corporate justification for offshore manufacturing. They don't move manufacturing out of the US to keep costs low for the consumer (heck no), they do it so they can further puff-up their profit margins. Think about that the next time you're casting the $10 fly rod you just paid $120 for. Bear in mind that the lowest price never means it is the least expensive. I'm for jobs in the US. Just my $.02

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from Koldkut wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Any of the above being sold as blanks for custom builders?

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from conway wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

kd

Good stuff!

best

conway

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I will have to assume the Sintrex rod is a fast action rod. Either way I know of no other rod that could bend like that without breaking.

It's nice to know that G. Loomis is back on track with innovation. I have owned a couple GLX's for years and have been waiting for their next big deal for sometime. G. Loomis Company has changed hands, stopped selling blanks and (I think) stopped making blanks for other companies in the past decade which left me guessing on what direction my favorite rod manufacturer was headed. I did recently pick up a very nice Loomis Bronzeback for bass fishing and it is nothing short of a spectacular rod.

I cut my teeth on fly fishing St. Croix rods and have nothing but good things to say about them. For the quality of guides, cork and reel seats they continue to be a great value.

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from kirkdeeter wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

Good question Koldkut... I doubt it (especially after Loomis got out of blanks recently), but I'll find out.

Thanks Conway.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 35 weeks ago

I'm a party pooper on this one, and have gone back to using the old IM-6 graphite formulation, and like the actions that were built using IM-6. It lends itself to a nice casting Med. fast action rod. All the "20% lighter" stuff means thinner blanks that can be cracked easier, and after adding a reel and line, the slight difference in a rod's wt. becomes negligible.
But then again, I can pick up a newer model 8wt rod that feels like the 5wts. use to a few years back. Guess I own too many rods, and don't want to buy a new one, What gets me mad is when Sage comes out with a new model, and then eliminates the model I just purchased a few years ago!!

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

buckhunter, I don't think you have to assume that the rod is a fast action rod. Sage ran the same ad a long time ago suggesting they had the problem of the stiffer graphite rods exploding when their load was exceeded solved. New apoxy resins I believe was the improvement, and they continue to improve those resins. Playing a fish on a rod is one thing, and dead lifting a big fish to the boat from deeper water is another thing. I don't think the rod action has anything to do with it...the rod has to be forgiving when load limits are reached. Fiberglass was very forgiving in that regard, just didn't have the casting properties of graphite. In that regard epoxy liquid, any liquid is heavy. The challenge is to maintain strength, and use less of a bonding liquid. Fiberglass driftboats have the same challenge. There is a lot of weight in the epoxy, bonding agent used to make the boat. I think I am right on this subject..probably needs some modifications. I use to make rods commercially, and toured the Sage plant on Bambridge, Island, WA.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Sayfu, I feel your pain and I too am a Sage guy. See, Bainbridge Island, Sage country, is just a 30min ferry boat ride from my place in Seattle. You might say alot of great rods were engineered, designed AND produced in Washington State. A one time fishing partner of mine, Gary Loomis started here and I still own his first fly
rods...anyone remember his first company, LCI, Loomis Composite Industries? My "Striker" 96% graphite was, and still is a very responsive med/fast action trout slayer.

But hey party pooper, I digress...get out of the IM6 heavies and jump into the St. Croix's, Scott's, Hardys and Helios world, you know you're gonna love 'em, right?
And my brother, I disagree with you on one point...and this is something I've been preaching to my wife for years...You Can't Ever Have Too Many Rods! Just ask buckhunter!

Thanks Deeter, good job.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I gotcha. I own two Sage SP rods that are a medium action I would describe them, a great trout rod, and they discontinued that. Then I bought a Sage XP rod in a 9' 7wt, and they discontinued that rod, and it is a great rod. I have 3 of their original IM-6 trout rods, and use them often. I think I just like to pick up and fish different rods, and have good things to say about them when I use them. LCI was not the first co. Loomis worked for, however. He was a production guy for Lamiglass,.. failed in that job, and failed in his LCI endeavor, and then got into GLOMMIS and was a success...story of many entrepreneurs. I knew Gary Loomis. He gave me a great Loomis rod with my name on it that I still have to guide in Alaska with. The lodge I worked for on the Alagnak River was just downstream from his Katmai Lodge. I told him I'd promote his rods, and he said, "Sure, I'll provide you one with two tips, and your name on it."
Now, I've done my name dropping for the day. Tight lines.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Correction...I had a brain fart...Loomis did not own Katmai Lodge, but he was up there most of the Summer I guided on the Alagnak. I just remembered, Tony Sarp owned the Katmai Lodge, and he lived in Everett. And I told my wife about the post who is my fishing partner, and she said, "Gary gave you two rods," He also gave me a 9' 6" 6wt. IM-6 rod that he also put my name on, and then I fell wading the upper Green for steelhead, and broke the butt section...had it replaced, but a no name rod now. And that is why I likely pick up that IM-6 rod so much and fish with it. Thanks for letting me reminisce about the good 'ol days.

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

...Sayfu, my pleasure.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Sayfu,

I have little knowledge of saltwater rods. I only assume they are fast action to cut the wind while casting and to get a good hookset on the toothy critters that swim the ocean.

My comment was to suggest amazement that a fast rod could still bend that much.

I agree with your assessment of the IM-6 blank. They were a huge jump from the generaation of rods produced prior but my IM-6's sit in the corner after I got my IMX and now my IMX sits in the corner after I got my GLX. I'm wondering if my GLX will sit in the corner some day.

The difference between a good fly rod and a poor fly rod is like the difference between a Cross pen and a crayon.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I see your reasoning now. I just enjoy casting different actions and makers of rods to keep my interest up. I've got an old, refurbished bamboo that I'll probably get an erg to fish one of these days. I haven't been a proponent of bamboo, and as I get older, I like to have the rod do the work vs. having to aggressively stroke a fast action rod to get the rod to load up. Salt water is a different critter, but for most of my freshwater fishing, I like medium to medium fast action rods that are more relaxing to cast. I'm 1/2 into, not totally committed to spey casting with a switch rod, a 10 1/2 fter, to make the effort more efficient, and easier as well.(for trout) Good fly rods are somewhat personal depending on ones casting stroke, and approach to fly fishing. I see young guys false casting as if it were work making aggressive false casts, and way too many of them. Efficiency, and ease of casting in order to get the job done is my focus as I get older.

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from buckhunter wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

I fish some bamboo when the feeling strikes. I went through a phase in the late 90's when I picked up 25-30 cheap bamboo rods. I would cut them down to 7-7 1/2 footers then outfit them with new guides, reel seats and cork. I managed to build a couple dandies that I enjoy fishing. They also go well with my collection of old fly reels. If I could only find some cat gut leaders...

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

buckhunter, You are on my wave path. A 7 1/2 ft bamboo has been my thinking with the wt. then not a big factor. I have an 8fter that a Dr. friend of mine refurbished after taking a bamboo building class. They brought back those short, fiberglass rods that would also fill that lt rod, nice flex slot pretty well, but they want a lot for them. I've been a strong proponent of function, and have rejected that nostalgia stuff. I'm a fiberglass driftboat guy, and don't care to get into the wood boats other than to look at some really good looking ones.
I own 4 Hardy reels, and have beat myself up good for not getting more of them! I bought my Dr. friend the three size reel series of Hardy Perfects for $35 ea. at my discount, and then never got any for myself!!(and I reel rt. handed/cast rt.) I see they brought the Model Perfect back in a limited amount for $900 !!!! I'm a click reel guy, and don't see a need for a disc drag. Another sickening story...I left a Sage Rod, and a Hardy Princess reel along the boat ramp, and rowed off without it!

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from countitandone wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Hey Sayfu...you brought up several good points just now. Seems US labor is the evil thread in the fabric of our fishing life and livelihoods. So, outsourcing has it's benefits...

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

Absolutely! Most liberals don't see the benefits! They want US UNION jobs that end up like General Motors, and the tax payer is forced to bail them out time and again. The libdems in congress just proposed a 200Billion dollar spending bill on top of the 800B stimulus bill that didn't work! 165B was for having the tax payer replenish the mismanaged union pension funds!!! Sounds like a great plan no?
Here is another one on US labor. Liberals attack China as if we shouldn't buy their inexpensive goods. Let me get this straight. Someone makes a buck, and their buck goes farther buying cheap, Chinese goods..their wealth increases!... and then the Chinamen gets our dollars. Would you like to tell me what the Chinaman can do with the dollars he has collected? lol Besides all the jobs created in this country by buying the Chinese goods, I'll wait for your response on what the Chinaman can do with his dollars. lol. Let's see if a liberal knows anything about economics.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

TheSheriff,
now tell us you by everything you can made in the USA...other's pay a $1 for the item sold at WalMart, but you pay $10 at the corner store, made in the good'ol USA.

If it weren't for a lot of co.'s doing the same thing, you might be able to pull it off, but they are all doing the same thing.... Our corporate taxes are the highest in the industrialized world just for starters...jobs leave, co.'s move.

And maybe you can tell us what the Chinaman can do with the dollar he recieves for selling us inexpensive goods that even YOU are happy to buy.

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from TheSheriff wrote 1 year 34 weeks ago

While this is not an appropriate forum for the depth of this topic. I will provide this final response to the query. I agree our corporate taxes are the highest in the industrialized world, no argument. These taxes levied shamelessly by our government (read: corporate greed) and frankly tolerated by us all, perpetuating the curse. But our government is not willing to admit its Achilles heel ... it cannot govern human nature and its appetite for "things" and it cannot cap income in a capitalist society (can it?), leaving the "suppliers of things" to rule the day. Make no mistake who's in charge. They do have a choice. So does the consumer.
By the way, the Chinese doing the manufacturing are poorly treated and generally receive a meager food ration for payment. As far as what the Chinese can do with our dollar? I'll leave that to your imagination. And lastly, I am not happy to buy any product not manufactured in the USA. I was raised better than that. Signing off.

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from Sayfu wrote 1 year 33 weeks ago

Sheriff....a word on free market capitalism. First off it is the consumer that makes the choice, not choices being forced on the consumer by the govt. Law of economics says the gpvt can not force you to buy anything, and is why we will continue to subsidize GM because the environmentalists have forced 1 out of 4 cars that will be manufactured to be "clown cars" that the consumer is forced to buy.
Secondly, a Dollar has to be spent in the USA, unless the Chinese want to wallpaper their walls with them. The dollar has to be re-invested back into the USA...we get a double wammy..our dollars go further when we buy, and then the dollar has to return home as an investment in our economy. I'm for unions if they can be competitive...not if the taxpayer has to subsidize them.

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