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Question by Big-Buk. Uploaded on July 31, 2010
I forgot to mention im a small 14 year old so not a big rifle with lots of kick.
.243, 25-06 or a 270. there are plenty of rifles out for under 500, Savage, Remington, Marlin and Weatherby aall selling for 300-500.
A 223 does work but you just have to place the shot pretty well but I also am with rock here there are plenty of guns out there but I was started out on a 243 when I was 12 so i would recommend that
Remington and Savage both have Youth modles in .243&7mm, #1Rem 700/ADL Camo Youth 24" $439.94
#2 Savage M~111 Syn.Package Youth 24" Scoped $529.94
#3 Mossberg 100ATR Bantem Combo 20" scoped $ 349.94
All are in .243/7mm/308 at Bass pro shops/Sunday paper
Good Shoping C~FL
No... a .223 cal is to small for deer.
when i started out hunting I had the same problem.
So i went with a 25-06 savage that i got for 250$
i think this gun would be perfect for you to.
buying that gun was well worth it.
Sorry~ to answer your Question (223Rem) is not a BIG
GAME round for Deer it is made for Game up to 65Lbs.
The .243Win~7mm/08 is the lightes recoialing round's
of all. C~FL
O'HELL, just hand the kid a 700 Nitro Express shooting 1000 Grain at 2700fps costing $100.00 per round!
Actually for 223, I don't recommend using hollow points but 55+ grain soft points work very well. One round into the lung department just behind the front leg is all it takes turning the lungs into a tomato soup looking mess!
If recoil is all your worried about, I would go with the 25-06, it's like crossing a 22-250 and a 270 and it's hell on all annoying critters and is the smallest recommended cartridge Elk. So it has plenty of steam on the biggest deer and my superfly weight Grandson is shooting it like a pro!
ken.mcloud said it best!
“So, I think that the superior killing power of larger rounds is largely in our heads.(likely testosterone induced) A flat-shooting round that you can accurately place will produce as many if not more "bang-flop" kills as a heavy caliber round.”
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Big-Buk, if you haven't spent the 500 yet, just go with the 25-06, you will be glad you did, trust me on this one!
The .223 will kill deer with the proper bullet and that would have to be handloaded. The 60 gr. Nosler does a pretty good job. I really don't think that you could consider the .223 a deer rifle for a novice hunter and shooter. The .243 or the 30-30 are both very good cartridges for deer and are available in a variety of rifles and neither of these cartridges are very heavy kickers. Both would be better choices that the .223. Look over a lot of books that will give you plenty of information on cartridge performance before you make your choice. Remember that you can handle a whole lot of powerful cartridges if you install a good recoil pad on the butt. I gunsmith installed Sorbothane pad will virtually eliminate the recoil from fine deer rifle cartridges like the 25-06,270,308,7-08 and 30-06. Good luck and good hunting!
A .223 will work, its not my first choice for a deer rifle but it will kill them just as dead as a .30-06 will. Just let the air out of its lungs and you will be fine.
And im glad to hear you saying you don't want to big of a rifle. Now days people are useing way to much gun for deer.
I would go with a .25-06 or 7mm/08 in your situation.
the 223. rem is a bit small for deer with factory loaded ammo, with some reloads it would be expectable. You cant go wrong with any of the following cartridges . 243. win , 260 remington , 250. savage , 257. Roberts .
.223 will kill whitetail but not recommended. For whitetail and coyote anything over .243 will work great, a small fast flatshooting light bullet for coyote and larger bullets for larger game. A 25-06 as others have stated will also work great on both game with little recoil. I loaded some .270 with Hornady 110gr V-max for coyote and cant wait to get into the woods to try them out.
The .223 will kill a deer, but is not a legal caliber in many ststes. 25-05 or .257 Roberts is a better choice.
Any of you naysayers have actual experience and gutted a deer shot with a 223?
What a mess the innards are!
One more thing, their is a reason Elmer Keith loved 3000+ fps!
One doesn't usually get to gut a deer that runs off with one's bullet.
Woops, S/B ".25-06" not 05. fat finger function. ho hum. Here we g owith the mouse gun debate again. ZZZZZZ
Well, most of us seem to be in agreement.
The .223 is a bit light for deer. Bullet placement is VERY, VERY important when deer hunting with the .223.
IMHO - the next step up would be .243 Win. Hundred grain bullets for deer, something lighter for 'yotes!
I've not seen it mentioned yet, but H&R builds a single shot rifle called a Handi-Rifle! Very inexpensive and lends itself to teaching beginning hunters to make the first shot count!
If I'm not mistaken, the Handi-Rifle comes in .243 Win, .270 Win. .30-30 Win and 7.57mm I believe!
All these would be very good rounds for your needs.
a 243 is an amazing rifle cheap little recoil and it is amazing on cyotes
I'd go with the .243.
One of the older guys I used to hang with, sadly departed, used a .243 Rem. Model 600 carbine for all of this hunting. He loaded a 100 gr. bullet with 3031 and killed everything Maine has to offer. If my memory serves the rifle had a Weaver 3x scope with a heavy post reticle.
99explorer, if I had a dollar for every wounded deer shot with a 7mm Rem Mag, I would give it to you to by a Happy Meal!
Obvious you never gutted one
im 14 as well and a weatherby vanguard chambered in .243 would be great. the weatehrby vanguard is sold for about $400
Only if you shoot deer that are the size of a coyote.
Sorry, the energy is not there for a clean, quick kill.
People will rail on and on about shot placement, but it does not carry that kind of power. It's a 'varmint level' round. The old reloader books rated it at 70 lbs and under game.
Yes Clay I have gutted several deer shot with .223's and they are still a poor excuse for a deer gun!
I'm not much of a .243 fan either but I'll happily recommend a .243 over the .223 for deer hunting.
You can buy any of the mild kicking calibers for the same price you'll pay for a .223 Remington. The .260 Remington and 7-08 both have mild recoil and will serve the dual role of varmint and deer gun well.
The 25/06 is a great dual purpose gun as well. The .257 Roberts is also quite the dual purpose cartridge.
The .223 will kill a deer just like any centerfire if you actually hit them in the same vital area. They are not good in the trees and brush. They deflect at the slightest provocation. They will do in a pinch for for a very slight of frame hunter that is unable to handle a more powerful center fire cartrige. If you have the choice go with something bigger. I usually use a 25-06 and it has LOTS of power with very little more recoil than a .223.
You can definitely use a .223 for deer but you have to at least be a decent marksman.
The .223 will kill a deer, but I would prefer a .243 instead. As far as rifles Steven 200 is a good rifle made by Savage. My son and son-in-law both have one and they are shooters. They don't have the accu-trigger but they are well built. The price is right.
I would buy a rifle like this and then put a decent Nikon 3X9X40 Prostaff scope on it. I think you would be happy with a set up like this and it would be in your price range.
The .223 is not a deer rifle, yes it will kill a deer, but if I were going out to buy a deer rifle the .223 would not be a concideration. I would suggest any calibers from 25-06 through 7mm-08. they are all excellant deer rifles and have easy recoil. The optimum I think would be one of the 6.5 calibers, such as the 260 Rem, as they have the best ballistic coefficient bullet for bullet. I would also recomend a savage rifle, they seem to have the best accuracy out of the box with factory ammo and are relatively inexpensive.
it will if you hit it right behind the shoulder
A .223 is a great coyote gun; however, it is a bit thin on deer. Some people who hunt with a .223 for whitetails will disagree with me. That's okay. They have the right to their opinions. If you want a gun that will work well for both coyotes and deer, I would like to suggest a .243 rifle. It has very low recoil. I like that, and I think you will like that as well. Go with a .243. You can find the ammo anwhere ammunition is sold. It is very common. I have shot a .243 for the past 25 years and have taken dozens of whitetails.
Buy a .308 and shoot managed recoil loads if you are recoil consience. Hornady makes 110 grain bullets that are great on yotes and later down the road you have a rifle that is ready for just about anything. Plus you have one of the most accurate calibers that has ever been made and the selection of rifles is endless because almost every rifle is chambered in .308.
223 works very well killed deer at 250+yards with one shot you can kill them with a pellet gun if your close enough
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