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I just bought an as new kimber 8400 in .325 wsm. The only reason was that it was an extraordinary price and it came with with a high quality leupold scope. My question is.. did I buy a caliber that I'm going to want to get rid of? There isn't a lot of choices of ammo out there and what there is seems to be wicked expensive, but I reload so I hope to get around that. I was looking for a rifle for whitetails on up to elk / moose.

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from PAShooter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

What you bought will fit your needs, Reloading will bring your costs down.

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from Greenhead wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I have the Montana in that same caliber and absolutely love it. I bought it, like you, for a do-it-all caliber and have been very pleased. Ammo selection is terrible, which has driven me to start reloading. Once I get the hang of it, I am confident I will like the rifle even more.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I have considered that cartridge, but I have several that already fill that niche. I'm sure it will get the job done if you can afford to feed it!

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from Amflyer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

If you are not too recoil sensitive, this rifle could be the last you ever need.(Heaven forbid!) Great caliber and nice rifle.

If it were me, I would buy a supply of around 300 good-quality brass cases and enjoy the rifle for the rest of my life. You shouldn't run into any other "hard-to-finds" once you have the cases.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Good idea, Amflyer, since some of the WSM and WSSM cartridges are headed to the same fate as the dodo.

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from Sarge01 wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

My buddy has a Remington 300SAUM and he bought a good supply of cases. I do all of our loading. That caliber I think is on its way out. It seems like you can find my 300WSM rounds about anywhere. It doesn't matter because I reload for it also. I don't shoot factory loads and haven't for probably 20+ years and then only to get brass.

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

If you don't mind me asking, what type of Leupold was it?

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from Treestand wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

It seem to me you bough the Scope and got the Rifle FREE.

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from jay wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I looked long and hard at the .325 when I was searching for a dedicated elk rifle. I ended up getting a Tikka T3 used in .300wm but never shot from a guy that worked for my father-in-law. Didn't steel the gun but was really happy with the price. As mentioned, commercial ammo available was my biggest concern. I haven't jumped into the reloading arena yet.

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from 99explorer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I wish you every success with that rifle, because the resale value will not be very high.
I once built a custom .22-250 when that cartridge was a wildcat. Fortunately, by the time I decided to sell it (it was too heavy), the round had become commercially available and I had no problem selling it.

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from DakotaMan wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

That is an outstanding cartridge (as is the .300 WSM). The 8mm bullet is actually a bit larger in diameter than the 7.62mm (or 30 caliber). It is a bullet for very broad applications just like the .30 caliber.

The 8mm seemed to meet with resistance in America. I believe it had something to do with most Americans having relatives that were killed with one in WWII. I know my dad hated them and I kind of resisted them because of that. He had lots of buddies killed by them. Renaming it to .325 was a good PR move, even though most young hunters have forgotten about those casualties by now.

It might not make it but who cares whether it does or not? Buy lots of cases so you can start enjoying it immediately. If it starts to die, buy lots more. Use an outstanding cartridge, rifle and scope for the rest of your life. You shouldn't be buying WSM factory ammo anyway. Its too expensive and you won't be able to tune it to take advantage of the fine accuracy your Kimber has to offer.

There are 34 of our finest bullets in small (125g) to large (250g) on midwayusa.com for the 8mm and plenty more beyond that. That is enough to keep you testing loads for a lifetime and shooting everything from p-dogs to grizzly's along the way. It is fast and hard hitting for larger game but you can load for varmints too. It is becoming my nephew's favorite coyote rifle. They just can't seem to get too far away anymore. Not bad for a cartridge that rivals the .338 Win Mag in power.

Enjoy!

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from Douglas wrote 19 weeks 22 hours ago

M.A.T., the scope is a Leupold vxIII 30mm with a lighted dot reticle. The parallax adjustment is on the front.
It would not be my first choice in scopes, as I do not like batteries in scopes, but it came with the rifle hanging under it.
I certainly will enjoy this rifle! I'll just collect a bunch of brass and load em up.
I find the recoil to be not that bad.

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from RES1956 wrote 19 weeks 19 hours ago

Nice rifle and scope, not in my top 100 of calibers though,,,

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 16 hours ago

Sounds Like a nice scope, and thanks for answering.

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 15 hours ago

Sounds Like a nice scope, and thanks for answering.

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from DakotaMan wrote 19 weeks 12 hours ago

Douglas, that is an outstanding scope. It will be as accurate as anything made. It will shoot just fine without batteries. You would appreciate the lighted reticle though if you hunt a half hour before of after sun.

I missed on getting a shot at the biggest Mule deer I have ever seen at 28 minutes past sundown. I could see the deer, I just couldn't see my reticle. I also like to let my first coyote call rip at 30 minutes before sunup and I like to call at 28 minutes after sundown.

I also hunt coyotes during the night where legal. Once you use a lighted reticle for these applications you will never go back. You sure don't need one to plug a deer at high noon but there are other applications for that fine a rifle.

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from PAShooter wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Finding brass for the 325 WSM is now problematic. Resize the 300 WSM ?

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Here is a link to Nosler's Shooters Pro Shop store. They list some factory overrun .325 WSM for half price. Spendy, but good brass made by Norma, the best there is.

www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/factory-over-runs/nosler-over-ru...

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from Safado wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Douglas,
I looked long and hard at that caliber before deciding on the .340 Weatherby as my go-to Elk/Brown Bear rifle. The variety of bullet weights makes the 8mm/.325 very attractive to me. I handload and use Norma brass for all of my Weatherby's (like I have a choice) except my 22-250 (for that I use Lapua). I agree with WAM Norma brass is as good as it gets.

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from Douglas wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks for the website WA, I been trolling around looking for brass and not much to find out there.
As an aside, the fellow I bought the rifle from is looking at a weatherby in 30/378 cal. Shells in that caliber are $130 per box.
I told him that he is nuts.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Douglas,
Once you get past the initial cost of brass, cost to reload a .30-.378 Wby or anything else in the magnum range is about the same. Bullets and primers are the same price regardless and powder differential is not that big of deal.

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from Sarge01 wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

WAM is right everyone makes a big deal about owning one of the WSM rounds or the Weatherby rounds but after you get your brass, and I have stocked up on my 300WSM brass it cost about the same as any other big game round. The 270WSM and the 300WSM is even coming down in price on the shelves. Every store around the area and that I have been in the last several years has 300WSM rounds on the shelf. They were like everything else new that comes out the price when new is high.

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from DakotaMan wrote 18 weeks 1 day ago

You guys are right; once you buy the initial brass, it's not that different than loading a 30-06 (although the 30-378 uses a boat load of powder).

That was a great reference WAM for brass. Kudos! Douglas, I highly recommend that you anneal new brass before your first use and every few reloads after that. It will extend your case life by about 4x. Those hot case necks work harden and get brittle quickly. By your fourth or fifth reload, they will start cracking. Annealing softens the brass so it will continue to expand to your chamber neck diameter without cracking.

There is nothing wrong with shooting wildcats and hard to find ammo. You just have to accumulate more brass than normal (I'd get at least a 100 cases) and you need to strive to get the most out of the brass you buy. Rotate through the lot of cases as you go and you will likely have them for life. I've bought exactly ONE box of rifle ammo over the counter in my life and I've never suffered due to lack of ammo.

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from Sarge01 wrote 18 weeks 1 day ago

You can tell the ones that are on the way out. I can get 50 300WSM cases for approx. $50.00 but for my buddies 300 Rem SAUM his cases were approx. $75.00. I don't think that the Rem will be around much longer. Remington is the only one who loads for it now.

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from DakotaMan wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

That is an outstanding cartridge (as is the .300 WSM). The 8mm bullet is actually a bit larger in diameter than the 7.62mm (or 30 caliber). It is a bullet for very broad applications just like the .30 caliber.

The 8mm seemed to meet with resistance in America. I believe it had something to do with most Americans having relatives that were killed with one in WWII. I know my dad hated them and I kind of resisted them because of that. He had lots of buddies killed by them. Renaming it to .325 was a good PR move, even though most young hunters have forgotten about those casualties by now.

It might not make it but who cares whether it does or not? Buy lots of cases so you can start enjoying it immediately. If it starts to die, buy lots more. Use an outstanding cartridge, rifle and scope for the rest of your life. You shouldn't be buying WSM factory ammo anyway. Its too expensive and you won't be able to tune it to take advantage of the fine accuracy your Kimber has to offer.

There are 34 of our finest bullets in small (125g) to large (250g) on midwayusa.com for the 8mm and plenty more beyond that. That is enough to keep you testing loads for a lifetime and shooting everything from p-dogs to grizzly's along the way. It is fast and hard hitting for larger game but you can load for varmints too. It is becoming my nephew's favorite coyote rifle. They just can't seem to get too far away anymore. Not bad for a cartridge that rivals the .338 Win Mag in power.

Enjoy!

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from Treestand wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

It seem to me you bough the Scope and got the Rifle FREE.

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from 99explorer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I wish you every success with that rifle, because the resale value will not be very high.
I once built a custom .22-250 when that cartridge was a wildcat. Fortunately, by the time I decided to sell it (it was too heavy), the round had become commercially available and I had no problem selling it.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Here is a link to Nosler's Shooters Pro Shop store. They list some factory overrun .325 WSM for half price. Spendy, but good brass made by Norma, the best there is.

www.shootersproshop.com/nosler-products/factory-over-runs/nosler-over-ru...

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from PAShooter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

What you bought will fit your needs, Reloading will bring your costs down.

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from Greenhead wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I have the Montana in that same caliber and absolutely love it. I bought it, like you, for a do-it-all caliber and have been very pleased. Ammo selection is terrible, which has driven me to start reloading. Once I get the hang of it, I am confident I will like the rifle even more.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I have considered that cartridge, but I have several that already fill that niche. I'm sure it will get the job done if you can afford to feed it!

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from Amflyer wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

If you are not too recoil sensitive, this rifle could be the last you ever need.(Heaven forbid!) Great caliber and nice rifle.

If it were me, I would buy a supply of around 300 good-quality brass cases and enjoy the rifle for the rest of my life. You shouldn't run into any other "hard-to-finds" once you have the cases.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

Good idea, Amflyer, since some of the WSM and WSSM cartridges are headed to the same fate as the dodo.

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from Sarge01 wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

My buddy has a Remington 300SAUM and he bought a good supply of cases. I do all of our loading. That caliber I think is on its way out. It seems like you can find my 300WSM rounds about anywhere. It doesn't matter because I reload for it also. I don't shoot factory loads and haven't for probably 20+ years and then only to get brass.

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

If you don't mind me asking, what type of Leupold was it?

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from jay wrote 19 weeks 1 day ago

I looked long and hard at the .325 when I was searching for a dedicated elk rifle. I ended up getting a Tikka T3 used in .300wm but never shot from a guy that worked for my father-in-law. Didn't steel the gun but was really happy with the price. As mentioned, commercial ammo available was my biggest concern. I haven't jumped into the reloading arena yet.

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from Douglas wrote 19 weeks 22 hours ago

M.A.T., the scope is a Leupold vxIII 30mm with a lighted dot reticle. The parallax adjustment is on the front.
It would not be my first choice in scopes, as I do not like batteries in scopes, but it came with the rifle hanging under it.
I certainly will enjoy this rifle! I'll just collect a bunch of brass and load em up.
I find the recoil to be not that bad.

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from RES1956 wrote 19 weeks 19 hours ago

Nice rifle and scope, not in my top 100 of calibers though,,,

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 16 hours ago

Sounds Like a nice scope, and thanks for answering.

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from M.A.T wrote 19 weeks 15 hours ago

Sounds Like a nice scope, and thanks for answering.

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from DakotaMan wrote 19 weeks 12 hours ago

Douglas, that is an outstanding scope. It will be as accurate as anything made. It will shoot just fine without batteries. You would appreciate the lighted reticle though if you hunt a half hour before of after sun.

I missed on getting a shot at the biggest Mule deer I have ever seen at 28 minutes past sundown. I could see the deer, I just couldn't see my reticle. I also like to let my first coyote call rip at 30 minutes before sunup and I like to call at 28 minutes after sundown.

I also hunt coyotes during the night where legal. Once you use a lighted reticle for these applications you will never go back. You sure don't need one to plug a deer at high noon but there are other applications for that fine a rifle.

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from PAShooter wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Finding brass for the 325 WSM is now problematic. Resize the 300 WSM ?

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from Safado wrote 18 weeks 6 days ago

Douglas,
I looked long and hard at that caliber before deciding on the .340 Weatherby as my go-to Elk/Brown Bear rifle. The variety of bullet weights makes the 8mm/.325 very attractive to me. I handload and use Norma brass for all of my Weatherby's (like I have a choice) except my 22-250 (for that I use Lapua). I agree with WAM Norma brass is as good as it gets.

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from Douglas wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Thanks for the website WA, I been trolling around looking for brass and not much to find out there.
As an aside, the fellow I bought the rifle from is looking at a weatherby in 30/378 cal. Shells in that caliber are $130 per box.
I told him that he is nuts.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 18 weeks 5 days ago

Douglas,
Once you get past the initial cost of brass, cost to reload a .30-.378 Wby or anything else in the magnum range is about the same. Bullets and primers are the same price regardless and powder differential is not that big of deal.

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from Sarge01 wrote 18 weeks 4 days ago

WAM is right everyone makes a big deal about owning one of the WSM rounds or the Weatherby rounds but after you get your brass, and I have stocked up on my 300WSM brass it cost about the same as any other big game round. The 270WSM and the 300WSM is even coming down in price on the shelves. Every store around the area and that I have been in the last several years has 300WSM rounds on the shelf. They were like everything else new that comes out the price when new is high.

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from DakotaMan wrote 18 weeks 1 day ago

You guys are right; once you buy the initial brass, it's not that different than loading a 30-06 (although the 30-378 uses a boat load of powder).

That was a great reference WAM for brass. Kudos! Douglas, I highly recommend that you anneal new brass before your first use and every few reloads after that. It will extend your case life by about 4x. Those hot case necks work harden and get brittle quickly. By your fourth or fifth reload, they will start cracking. Annealing softens the brass so it will continue to expand to your chamber neck diameter without cracking.

There is nothing wrong with shooting wildcats and hard to find ammo. You just have to accumulate more brass than normal (I'd get at least a 100 cases) and you need to strive to get the most out of the brass you buy. Rotate through the lot of cases as you go and you will likely have them for life. I've bought exactly ONE box of rifle ammo over the counter in my life and I've never suffered due to lack of ammo.

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from Sarge01 wrote 18 weeks 1 day ago

You can tell the ones that are on the way out. I can get 50 300WSM cases for approx. $50.00 but for my buddies 300 Rem SAUM his cases were approx. $75.00. I don't think that the Rem will be around much longer. Remington is the only one who loads for it now.

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