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Question by The Deer Slayer. Uploaded on June 05, 2011
Depends on what you need it for. I think the 30/06 is the classic rifle that many animals have fallen too but the .308 is kind of more of a military weapon but is making its way into the hunting scene with a very flat trajectory.
Personally, 308 is good up to 168 grain but lacks the "MOJO" to thump 180's to 220's.
Although your looking at 150 to 200 fps difference, that extra little range just might make all the difference in the world.
Is the 308 more accurate than the 30-06 or visa vera? I firmly believe not, Father and Son share the same DNA traits in accuracy.
I've shot a many of rounds both the 308 WIN/7.62 NATO and the 30-06 on the 1000 yard line, actually it's a toss up and a choice between what firearm you choose to use.
I wouldn't hesitate in using ether one for competition or big game.
308 in a Savage 99 is flat out AWESOME!
BEEN DAR, SEEN DAT!
Not much difference. If I could have only one hunting rifle and had to choose I would pick the .30-06 because of the wider bullet selection.
Booner Chaser, the .30-06 also started out as a military cartridge. The .308 had been a hunting cartridge for over 50 years...
The 308 Winchester was introduced to the public as a sporting cartridge by Winchester in September 1952, this same cartridge was accepted by the U.S. military known as the T-65 cartridge in 1954 and began chambering M-14 rifles for the round in 1957, this cartridge is also known as the 7.62 NATO cartridge.
Note: The 308 Winchester is not identical to the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge, there are several differences in tolerances, therefore, some commercial rifles will not handle military ammunition.
I hate these kind of questions. I have owned and shot both cartridges and love them both.
If it was down to just reloading, I would always choose the 30/06.
Either one kills deer deader than dead.
ford or chevy?
I prefer the .308 because I think that the .308 is probably the perfect whitetail deer round. It is super accurate,, mild recoil and plenty of power and range to get the job done, without the extra powder of the 30-06.I shoot 165 grain Hornady Interlocks and they do a fine job on a whitetail.
Well now!!! The .308 is superior in accuracy with groups less then half of the 06. The 30/06 will group about 16" @ 1000 yards, the .308 about 6" accuracy wise the .308 is the better cartridge. As a hunting rifle the 30/06 has the ablity to shoot heavier bullets in the 180 to 220 gr range making it a better choice for bigger animals. though if you can't hit what you are shooting at it would make no difference. the recoil of the .308 is less then that of the 30/06 which would account for some of the accuracy issues I would believe. Myself, no where close with the 30/06 as the .308 at any yardage. But under normal hunting conditions the 30/06 does have a slight advantage in power. Something like 3% more energy opposed to the .308. Again, only if you can hit what you are shooting at. I'd take whichever fit my game of intention and I felt more confident with. Slingshot? Missle? you gotta trust what you have.
i have to go with the .308 as sarge said, its amazingly accurate, mild recoil
I'm kind of partial to my 30-06. Both are excellent for whitetail,but I still grab my beat up ol' 30-06 when I head out into the woods..
.243 or 6mm Remington? Will a hundred FPS really make a difference anyway. I'm going for the lower recoil and short action of the .308. If I have to shoot an elk, give me 165 gr bullets in the .308 and the elk will not know any difference.
too much of an open question for me. i like them both.
The case design of the .308 supports better accuracy than that of the 30-06 so if you are getting it for long range accuracy or competitive shooting, that one will be best. For flexibility in hunting the 30-06 wins by a landslide. Reloaders can load it to shoot mild recoiling little 110g bullets all the way up to 220g thumpers. The 30-06 will cover coyote to elk sized game quite well. Although the .308 is also quite versatile, it can't quite match the 30-06 in this regard.
I have no objections to the .308 at all. But all in all I'll take the 30/06. You can load it up, down and sideways. Accuracy differences are minimal and it is probably the most common ammo on the planet next to the .22 LR.
30/06 will group about 16" @ 1000 yards, the .308 about 6" accuracy
.308 supports better accuracy?
All do respect, need to get out of that arm chair and try it :)
There both just as accurate and for 1000 yards, the 06 has the edge over the 308/7.62 NATO
"The most common ammo on the planet next to the .22"
RIGHT ON BRO!
I'm .308 partial, just like .257 Roberts partial, because those are what I happened to acquire. If I didn't have, I'd have a .25 and .30-06 respectively.
Interesting numbers you toss out there for the 30/06 and .308 Win, no subjectivity at all. Again, interesting...
I'm confuzzed... are you saying that one is more likely to hit a long range with .308 over a .30/06? If that is what I'm reading could you explain?
The first High Power rifle I ever shot for an M-1 30/06Garand,I qualified Expert with it for 3 years, then the M-14 .7.62 Nato came along I qualified expert with it for 3 years, and used it in Nam to good advantage until they came out with the "Mouse Gun" M-16's,then I started using a 1911. I could not tell much difference in performance of M-1 or M-14 they both do a good job on 2 & 4 legged critters. But for Big game I prefer 30/06 except in Alaska, where I used a 375 H&H.
Which have not used in over 10 years but won't sell.
Just in case I go back.
Apples vs Oranges between the naught 6 & 7.62-.308
Bee if you figure it ou, let me know Sir. I've shot thousands of rounds in competition (100yards to 1000 yards) with both the 308/7.62 NATO and the 30-06 cartridge. Granted, my M1A Ultra Match shoots more accurate compared to my DCM Grade M1 Garand with only a crown job and glass bedding. Never the less, my M1 Garand is still no punk at 1000 yards!
.308...for the same reason many others have pointed out...it is more accurate and has milder recoil and has the same effective range as the 06. If I had to toss all my rifles and only keep 1...it would be one of my .308's...probably my Savage 99, it's a tack drivin, deer killin monster with 45g of IMR 4895 behind a 150g Nosler Ballistic Tip or Partition.
I have read numerous articles from well respected gun cranks on this subject and none have conclusively proven the .308 to be inherently more accurate than the '06. Most .308's tend to have shorter stiffer barrels and actions and are going a bit slower. On the other hand, I have a .30-06 that will cloverleaf 165 grain Barnes TSX loads. Conventional wisdom says that a shorter case/shorter powder column produces better accuracy. But that has not been proven to me, perhaps with some powders.
For any normal application there is little difference. However I prefer the 06.
If you were shooting on the moon with zero wind etc and both cartridges were shooting 1/2 MOA, then at 1000 yards, both would be just as accurate.
Since the 06 is thumping the same bullet with the same accuracy (100 yards)150-200 fps, at 1000 yards would be more accurate due to time of flight in relationship to wind and bullet drift etc.
Never the less,
In competent hands, both cartridges I have given the 300 Mag shooters on the 1000 yard line a take notice feeling, know what I'm saying dar Vern! :)
Hey Savage, you listening!
I won't say the .30-06 is better, but it suits me better for the type of hunting I do most of the time. I own and have used a .308 Win for many moons, too.
I believe a lot of guys switched from the 30/06 to the .308 Winchester around when it first came out in the 50's because they were achieving better accuracy out to 1000 yards. I wasn't around back then, but that is what I have heard and read. 1000 yard NRA shoots, guys were apparently dominating with the .308 compared to the 30/06.
Clay, although time of flight can alter accuracy because of wind and bullet drift, that is largely on the shooter calling the wind and changing his dope.
Also the difference of 100-200 fps wouldn't create a huge difference as far as wind drift. Plus they are both stable out to 1000 yards since they both are just faster than the speed of sound at that range.
I would agree to the fact that you can load up the 30/06 a bit hotter than a .308 creating in a little flatter trajectory and better down range performance though.
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