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what size primers do i use for 30-30,30-06,and 45-70gov.? i want to start reloadingand i have many questions

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

well if you can find primers I would use Fed 210 on the 30-30 ,30-06 for the 45-70 I would use Rem 9 1/2 mag or Fed 215 mag.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Interesting idduckhntr,

Wherein the hell do you see in any reloading book using large magnum rifle primers for 45-70 and telling this individual this without warning them to reduce their powder charge by at least 3 to 4 grains and work back up pending on the type of powder used.

The 45-70 is not the cartridge to be pulling this kind of crap with due to the maximum chamber pressure being much lower than 30-06!!!

If anything to blow up a 45-70, this is it!!!!!!

There are powders you must stay within the reloading manual guide lines for minimum and maximum powder charges and other components used due to serious pressure increases!

Max recommended chamber pressure for

45-70 trap door 25’000 CUP

45-70 for the Marlin Model 1895 40,000cup

45-70 for the Ruger #1 50,000cup

ware as the 30-06 is 58’000cup and other magnums run up into 64’000cup.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Clay my Speer book shows data for th 45-70 using CCI 250 mag primers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

The CCI 250 Magnum is just a tad over the Federal 210 Large Rifle Primer and that is why Speer listed it.

CCI primers are not as hot as the other brand of primers so please keep that in mind.

For example when I started to use Winchester 760 Ball in my 25-06, I used CCI 200 and every other shot was a hang fire, so I switched to Winchester, Federal and Remington and never had problem since then. I have run into other shooters with the same exact problem.

I’m sorry if I came after you the way I did, but you got to remember the results I’ve witnessed both in the field and on the range.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

jer4570

Which make and model 45-70 you have?

What you use is very critical!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

I have found six deferent reloading data categories for the 45-70, pending on which Make and model 45-70 you have.

There is the use of Magnum Primers only to be used in most modern firearms

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

A beginner needs to throughly read and study a manual such as the Hornady Handbook prior to taking up reloading. Get the newest edition. I was self taught decades ago simply because I did not know any reloaders. Luckily I used some common sense because I was afraid of problems. Don't "hot rod" your loads and work out an organized system. Ask questions if in doubt. We'll do our best to help you.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Back in 86 when I found I was going to Alaska I started to buy a 45-70 instead I bought a 444 Marlin. Reloading for the 45-70 is probably the most cautious cartridge I know of due to make and model you have. Examples of max loads are below for using what I’ve found to be common load throughout the loading data I’ve found and I will list the Reloading Book, Rifle and the Primers used. Please note, depending on the fire arm used the load is different as to whom did the research and development of that load. Also notice the reloading data for the Ruger #1, this fire arm you can “HOT ROD”!!! Bill Ruger owner of Ruger Firearms tried to blow up a 45-70 Ruger #3. The stock was busted in 3 places and melted the casing in the chamber! But I don’t think I would even go there!!!

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 36.0 grains at 1647 fps

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Winchester 1886
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 41.0 grains at 1779 fps

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 36.0 grains at 1647 fps
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Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Marlin 1895
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 51.2 grains at 2100 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Ruger #1
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Different weight listed 350 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 53.3 grains at 2200 fps

==================================================
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Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Ruger #1
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Different weight listed 500 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 47.6 grains at 1800 fps

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from sayerbefiddlin wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

In all honesty it seems you might want to find an older gentleman with all his fingers to show you how to reload. You may laugh but you are working with propellants and explosives. Those are good calibers that you typically dont get second chances with. And yes, I have all my fingers as of now.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

sayerbefiddlin

NO JOKE!

What the Monkey BLEW!

The other Monkey didn't do!

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

A beginner needs to throughly read and study a manual such as the Hornady Handbook prior to taking up reloading. Get the newest edition. I was self taught decades ago simply because I did not know any reloaders. Luckily I used some common sense because I was afraid of problems. Don't "hot rod" your loads and work out an organized system. Ask questions if in doubt. We'll do our best to help you.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Interesting idduckhntr,

Wherein the hell do you see in any reloading book using large magnum rifle primers for 45-70 and telling this individual this without warning them to reduce their powder charge by at least 3 to 4 grains and work back up pending on the type of powder used.

The 45-70 is not the cartridge to be pulling this kind of crap with due to the maximum chamber pressure being much lower than 30-06!!!

If anything to blow up a 45-70, this is it!!!!!!

There are powders you must stay within the reloading manual guide lines for minimum and maximum powder charges and other components used due to serious pressure increases!

Max recommended chamber pressure for

45-70 trap door 25’000 CUP

45-70 for the Marlin Model 1895 40,000cup

45-70 for the Ruger #1 50,000cup

ware as the 30-06 is 58’000cup and other magnums run up into 64’000cup.

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from sayerbefiddlin wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

In all honesty it seems you might want to find an older gentleman with all his fingers to show you how to reload. You may laugh but you are working with propellants and explosives. Those are good calibers that you typically dont get second chances with. And yes, I have all my fingers as of now.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

well if you can find primers I would use Fed 210 on the 30-30 ,30-06 for the 45-70 I would use Rem 9 1/2 mag or Fed 215 mag.

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from idduckhntr wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Clay my Speer book shows data for th 45-70 using CCI 250 mag primers.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

The CCI 250 Magnum is just a tad over the Federal 210 Large Rifle Primer and that is why Speer listed it.

CCI primers are not as hot as the other brand of primers so please keep that in mind.

For example when I started to use Winchester 760 Ball in my 25-06, I used CCI 200 and every other shot was a hang fire, so I switched to Winchester, Federal and Remington and never had problem since then. I have run into other shooters with the same exact problem.

I’m sorry if I came after you the way I did, but you got to remember the results I’ve witnessed both in the field and on the range.

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

jer4570

Which make and model 45-70 you have?

What you use is very critical!

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

I have found six deferent reloading data categories for the 45-70, pending on which Make and model 45-70 you have.

There is the use of Magnum Primers only to be used in most modern firearms

+1 Good Comment? | | Report
from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 50 weeks ago

Back in 86 when I found I was going to Alaska I started to buy a 45-70 instead I bought a 444 Marlin. Reloading for the 45-70 is probably the most cautious cartridge I know of due to make and model you have. Examples of max loads are below for using what I’ve found to be common load throughout the loading data I’ve found and I will list the Reloading Book, Rifle and the Primers used. Please note, depending on the fire arm used the load is different as to whom did the research and development of that load. Also notice the reloading data for the Ruger #1, this fire arm you can “HOT ROD”!!! Bill Ruger owner of Ruger Firearms tried to blow up a 45-70 Ruger #3. The stock was busted in 3 places and melted the casing in the chamber! But I don’t think I would even go there!!!

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 36.0 grains at 1647 fps

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Winchester 1886
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 41.0 grains at 1779 fps

Reloading book Lyman
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Remington 9 ½ Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 36.0 grains at 1647 fps
==================================================
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
==================================================
Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Marlin 1895
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 51.2 grains at 2100 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Springfield Model 1873 Trap Door
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Bullet Weight 300 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 42.5 grains at 1900 fps

==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Ruger #1
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Different weight listed 350 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 53.3 grains at 2200 fps

==================================================
==================================================
==================================================

Reloading book Hornady Third Edition
Rifle: Ruger #1
Primer: Federal 210 Large Rifle Primers
Different weight listed 500 Grain
Powder: IMR4198 Max load 47.6 grains at 1800 fps

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 49 weeks ago

sayerbefiddlin

NO JOKE!

What the Monkey BLEW!

The other Monkey didn't do!

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