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what do u guys think about these bolt actions savage axis (formerly the edge) remington 770 and mossberg 100 in 243 or 270 (suggest calibers if wanted)

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I don't think much of any of them. The 770 is hideous and way too much plastic, and not even that cheap compared to other rifles in this category. The Edge/Axis (fake Savage) is hideous and so is the trigger on it. I've never touched a newer Mossberg bolt gun, but my guess is it would actually be my pick among those three. Easily.

Toss in a Savage 10/110 or 11/111 (real Savages) and we're talking. Good rifles at great price points.

If you really need to save money, the Marlin XL7 or XS7 is where it's at for 300 bucks or so.

It's the only acceptable cheapo rifle out there.

Beats all of the above except for the real Savages. I think it looks a little better, though. Great trigger, non-pretty but well done and accurate button rifled barrel, light, great recoil pad. Accurate. It's worth repeating that this gun is accurate. Good action, fairly smooth.

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from J4huntfish wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

yougot 3 of the ugliest and worst performing guns right their, go with a savage with an accu trigger or a tikka

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Savage Axis isn't too bad. I have heard of great accuracy, but horrible trigger pull. Action isn't the smoothest, but its not horrible.

On the other hand, the Remington 770 has a HORRIBLE action. It sticks, and it feels as smooth as chunky peanut butter. Decent accuracy though, so I have been told. It was originally the 710, but they had plenty of issues. By far the worth was the bolt catch breaking. Customers would be off on a hunt, fire their rifle, and then work the action to chamber another round. Low and behold the bolt would come clear out of the action. That is not what I would want happen if I was in the woods needing a follow up shot. Big Green could have came up with a lot better for the money they charge for that piece of garbage.

The Mossberg 100 ATR is not too bad either. I would say its action is about the same feeling or a bit better as the Axis, but I have heard people squeeze a bit more accuracy out of the Savage.

As far as calibers, you won't go wrong with a .270 Winchester. The .243 Winchester isn't too bad either, but if you are planning on going for a little more power, I would stick to the .270 or the good old .30/06 Springfield.

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I'm assuming this is a deer rifle and I suggest 7mm-08.

.270 is great.

.243 is light for deer, but do-able. Great round for targets, varmints, and coyotes and just a fun cartridge to have in general.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Shane, technically, the Axis IS a Savage. It is not made by Stevens. Atleast the Edge is. Since they changed the name they may have handed it off to Stevens, but this is something I am not aware of.

I do agree with you on the Marlin XL7 or X7. For the money, they are the best feeling and best performing rifles you can come by.

I would also throw in the Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic. I own one, and I am very happy with it. Sub-MOA performance out of a 400 dollar gun is nothing to laugh at.

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from ADKHunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

thanks i will check marlin and other models too

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I know. I just refuse to admit that it is. They were kicking so much butt (in competitions and in the rifle market), and then they released that thing.

Good call on the Vanguard. I always forget they're so cheap. I can't say for sure if a plain black plastic Vanguard is truly worth $100 more than the Marlin. If it's more accurate, it won't be noticeable. The triggers on them are hit or miss, the Marlin trigger is a sure thing. The finish is nicer, I'll give it that.

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from Treestand wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

ADKHunter, check out the Tikka its a sako under cover
you get a lot of gun for the money, the 7mm-08 is a 270 with short pants and the 30/06 lives on, best all around cal, ever.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

also look at a weatherby vangaurd, they arent horribly expensive, and i like weatherby rifles.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Shane, agreed. It should have been made and distributed by Stevens instead of Savage. Its a cheap economical rifle, and that is what Stevens does. Savage should have kept to their bread and butter.

You are also correct about the Marlin. Had they been on the market when I bought my used Vanguard, I could have spent the same money and bought brand new.

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

UGLY!

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

cheap junk.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

My Momma said that if I could not say anything nice to not say anything at all. I usually ignore that advice, but not today...

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I think the most charitable thing one can say is that we are being asked to pick the best of a poor lot.
Sad to say, some of us are not in a position of make our choices from the very best, but I would skip those three in favor of the Marlin XL7.

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from txtrapper wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I own an edge in .270... It's accurate and I guess I got lucky and had one with a good trigger pull. The only issue I have is that the clip gets stuck every now and then. I would surely buy a better quality rifle but mine was a gift.

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from finnyk wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I kind of think of rifles being like life; they are what you make of them. I wonder how the trick shot artists of the old days really did it, what with the lack of all the technological benefits we have today. Probably took what they had, were glad to have it, and made the best of it. Practiced, and made changes to their guns as needed and compensated for what they couldn't change. I would imagine that many a remarkable shot has been made with an ugly gun that had a tough trigger, simply because the shooter understood what he had and how to handle it. Are we getting spoiled?

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from finnyk wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I kind of think of rifles being like life; they are what you make of them. I wonder how the trick shot artists of the old days really did it, what with the lack of all the technological benefits we have today. Probably took what they had, were glad to have it, and made the best of it. Practiced, and made changes to their guns as needed and compensated for what they couldn't change. I would imaging that many a remarkable shot has been made with an ugly gun that had a tough trigger, simply because the shooter understood what he had and how to handle it. Are we getting spoiled?

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

A used higher rated gun with good rifling left would be a better buy than the "let's see how cheap we can make a rifle" model. Cheers to making do with what you already have, and hunting harder.

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Some prime examples of companies trying to see how cheap they can make a rifle. I just didn't know they were trying to see how ugly they could make them too. If you can save a little bit more stay away from them and look at some other options like the Savage with accutrigger, Vanguard, Tikka and some others. You won't be dissapointed.

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from smallgamehunter25 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I'm not rifle expert at all but it seems to me everyone just shits on the Rem. 770. I have one myself and I think its just fine. Sure, its a bit plascity and the actions not the best, but its not a bad gun for the price. And even if the action was bad, you should only need one shot right? Just my view and saying that if you haven't shot one and you talk badly about it just gripe about something else for christs sake.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Savage used to have a reputation for catering to the economy grade market. They have since moved up in class and left that to others.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

smallgame-
Your language could use a little upgrade as well.

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from smallgamehunter25 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Yeah... I'll watch that for the future.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

sgh25

I think you should use the 770 until you feel the need for a better rifle. If it will shoot well enough to suit you, fine and dandy.

Just remember, not everyone shares your level of satisfaction with the economy models just like most folks don't buy but one Kia or Hyundai....

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from 358normamag wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

While all of the rifles mentioned in the question will more than likely get the job done it doesn't mean they are the best thing out there for the money.

The 770 has a rough action as mentioned and a pressed in barrel. That makes it a non-starter for me.

The mossbergs I have seen and held left me with a poor impression as far as quality is concerned.

I have never seen the axis or edge so I can't comment on either of those.

But the Marlin and Vanguard(Howa 1500)are very good quality for price point as mentioned. I don't know if Savage still has the Stevens 200 in their line up anymore but there isn't anything wrong with those either.

Remember you can only spend the money once so do your homework.

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from Keith Costley wrote 3 years 2 weeks ago

I would like to suggest that you google each make and model of rifle and read as many reviews and blogs on the internet as you can. I did exactly that over a year ago when I was looking for a new deer rifle to purchase. After several hours of internet research, I ended up purchasing a Marlin XL7 25-06 rifle. Not all of the reviews were possitive; however, the majority were from gun writers and hunters just like you. I have not regretted my purchase. I harvested several whitetail deer with it last year. If I had to do it over again, I would purchase the same gun.

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from strgrazr@ec.rr.com wrote 2 years 50 weeks ago

I own both Rem.715 in 30-06 and an ATR in 270. Both gun's rifling needed honing.
The 715 is the same as the 770, poor bolt and out of the box accuate but copper fouled quickly and started shooting flyers. Took an afternoon and cleaned/honed the bore with "Remington Bore Cleaner" which has a mild abrasive, 1.25"groups @100 & 6"@400yd not bad for a $199 gun.
The ATR is lighter and more accurate out of the box, much better quality & trigger can be made adjustable. After honing it became a tack driver. Less than 1"@100 & 4"@ 400yd. A great $249 gun, for swamp hunting.

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from Stacy Rayner wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

Yes I know this is an old post, but I'll renew it a little. All this bashing on the cheaper rifles is crazy, some of us just get what we can get. The Rem. 770 is definitely no old 788 "the cheap tack driver" and I haven't had the pleasure of toying with the Marlin. The Savage Axis on the other hand, I could not be more pleased with a sub $300 new rifle. The initial trigger put was stiff at best, just under 8 pounds. Massaged it a little and now it's 3.75 lbs, perfect. I also load my own ammo so I have a slight advantage but my Axis .308 consistently shoots sub MOA. The second weekend I owned it I shot in a hunter benchrest match and actually shot top score with hands down the cheapest rifle on range. So I say it's not a bad rifle at all. The Savage gets my vote.

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from Jonathan Lucas wrote 1 year 43 weeks ago

Savage Axis SS
Caliber 30-06
Easy trigger job @ 3.5lbs.
Scope BSA 2x7 mil dot
Range 200 yards
Best 3 shot group size @ 200 yards = .5"

Shoots better than many rifles that cost over $1000.
Call it what you want, but it SHOOTS!!!!

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from basecamp outdoors wrote 1 year 39 weeks ago

I think everyone here forgets that, not everyone can afford go out and drop $500-900 on a gun and then drop a few hundred more on a scope, I’m a browning BAR guy myself, but if I were young and just starting out (especially in this economy) I’d be doing back flips to have a couple options on rifle combo’s in the $300 dollar range. I don’t think a lot of people care about how smooth a trigger pull is when they are more worried about being able to pay the power bill or car payment!!! I’m not a Remington fan by any means and you couldn’t pay me to own a 700, but I’m glad that they and Savage give people options…

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from finnyk wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I kind of think of rifles being like life; they are what you make of them. I wonder how the trick shot artists of the old days really did it, what with the lack of all the technological benefits we have today. Probably took what they had, were glad to have it, and made the best of it. Practiced, and made changes to their guns as needed and compensated for what they couldn't change. I would imaging that many a remarkable shot has been made with an ugly gun that had a tough trigger, simply because the shooter understood what he had and how to handle it. Are we getting spoiled?

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I'm assuming this is a deer rifle and I suggest 7mm-08.

.270 is great.

.243 is light for deer, but do-able. Great round for targets, varmints, and coyotes and just a fun cartridge to have in general.

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from Treestand wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

ADKHunter, check out the Tikka its a sako under cover
you get a lot of gun for the money, the 7mm-08 is a 270 with short pants and the 30/06 lives on, best all around cal, ever.

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I don't think much of any of them. The 770 is hideous and way too much plastic, and not even that cheap compared to other rifles in this category. The Edge/Axis (fake Savage) is hideous and so is the trigger on it. I've never touched a newer Mossberg bolt gun, but my guess is it would actually be my pick among those three. Easily.

Toss in a Savage 10/110 or 11/111 (real Savages) and we're talking. Good rifles at great price points.

If you really need to save money, the Marlin XL7 or XS7 is where it's at for 300 bucks or so.

It's the only acceptable cheapo rifle out there.

Beats all of the above except for the real Savages. I think it looks a little better, though. Great trigger, non-pretty but well done and accurate button rifled barrel, light, great recoil pad. Accurate. It's worth repeating that this gun is accurate. Good action, fairly smooth.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Savage Axis isn't too bad. I have heard of great accuracy, but horrible trigger pull. Action isn't the smoothest, but its not horrible.

On the other hand, the Remington 770 has a HORRIBLE action. It sticks, and it feels as smooth as chunky peanut butter. Decent accuracy though, so I have been told. It was originally the 710, but they had plenty of issues. By far the worth was the bolt catch breaking. Customers would be off on a hunt, fire their rifle, and then work the action to chamber another round. Low and behold the bolt would come clear out of the action. That is not what I would want happen if I was in the woods needing a follow up shot. Big Green could have came up with a lot better for the money they charge for that piece of garbage.

The Mossberg 100 ATR is not too bad either. I would say its action is about the same feeling or a bit better as the Axis, but I have heard people squeeze a bit more accuracy out of the Savage.

As far as calibers, you won't go wrong with a .270 Winchester. The .243 Winchester isn't too bad either, but if you are planning on going for a little more power, I would stick to the .270 or the good old .30/06 Springfield.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Shane, technically, the Axis IS a Savage. It is not made by Stevens. Atleast the Edge is. Since they changed the name they may have handed it off to Stevens, but this is something I am not aware of.

I do agree with you on the Marlin XL7 or X7. For the money, they are the best feeling and best performing rifles you can come by.

I would also throw in the Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic. I own one, and I am very happy with it. Sub-MOA performance out of a 400 dollar gun is nothing to laugh at.

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from ADKHunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

thanks i will check marlin and other models too

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from shane wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I know. I just refuse to admit that it is. They were kicking so much butt (in competitions and in the rifle market), and then they released that thing.

Good call on the Vanguard. I always forget they're so cheap. I can't say for sure if a plain black plastic Vanguard is truly worth $100 more than the Marlin. If it's more accurate, it won't be noticeable. The triggers on them are hit or miss, the Marlin trigger is a sure thing. The finish is nicer, I'll give it that.

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from whitetailfreek wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Shane, agreed. It should have been made and distributed by Stevens instead of Savage. Its a cheap economical rifle, and that is what Stevens does. Savage should have kept to their bread and butter.

You are also correct about the Marlin. Had they been on the market when I bought my used Vanguard, I could have spent the same money and bought brand new.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I think the most charitable thing one can say is that we are being asked to pick the best of a poor lot.
Sad to say, some of us are not in a position of make our choices from the very best, but I would skip those three in favor of the Marlin XL7.

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from txtrapper wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I own an edge in .270... It's accurate and I guess I got lucky and had one with a good trigger pull. The only issue I have is that the clip gets stuck every now and then. I would surely buy a better quality rifle but mine was a gift.

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from finnyk wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I kind of think of rifles being like life; they are what you make of them. I wonder how the trick shot artists of the old days really did it, what with the lack of all the technological benefits we have today. Probably took what they had, were glad to have it, and made the best of it. Practiced, and made changes to their guns as needed and compensated for what they couldn't change. I would imagine that many a remarkable shot has been made with an ugly gun that had a tough trigger, simply because the shooter understood what he had and how to handle it. Are we getting spoiled?

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from Sarge01 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Some prime examples of companies trying to see how cheap they can make a rifle. I just didn't know they were trying to see how ugly they could make them too. If you can save a little bit more stay away from them and look at some other options like the Savage with accutrigger, Vanguard, Tikka and some others. You won't be dissapointed.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Savage used to have a reputation for catering to the economy grade market. They have since moved up in class and left that to others.

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from Keith Costley wrote 3 years 2 weeks ago

I would like to suggest that you google each make and model of rifle and read as many reviews and blogs on the internet as you can. I did exactly that over a year ago when I was looking for a new deer rifle to purchase. After several hours of internet research, I ended up purchasing a Marlin XL7 25-06 rifle. Not all of the reviews were possitive; however, the majority were from gun writers and hunters just like you. I have not regretted my purchase. I harvested several whitetail deer with it last year. If I had to do it over again, I would purchase the same gun.

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from Stacy Rayner wrote 2 years 5 weeks ago

Yes I know this is an old post, but I'll renew it a little. All this bashing on the cheaper rifles is crazy, some of us just get what we can get. The Rem. 770 is definitely no old 788 "the cheap tack driver" and I haven't had the pleasure of toying with the Marlin. The Savage Axis on the other hand, I could not be more pleased with a sub $300 new rifle. The initial trigger put was stiff at best, just under 8 pounds. Massaged it a little and now it's 3.75 lbs, perfect. I also load my own ammo so I have a slight advantage but my Axis .308 consistently shoots sub MOA. The second weekend I owned it I shot in a hunter benchrest match and actually shot top score with hands down the cheapest rifle on range. So I say it's not a bad rifle at all. The Savage gets my vote.

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from J4huntfish wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

yougot 3 of the ugliest and worst performing guns right their, go with a savage with an accu trigger or a tikka

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

also look at a weatherby vangaurd, they arent horribly expensive, and i like weatherby rifles.

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

A used higher rated gun with good rifling left would be a better buy than the "let's see how cheap we can make a rifle" model. Cheers to making do with what you already have, and hunting harder.

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from 99explorer wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

smallgame-
Your language could use a little upgrade as well.

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from 358normamag wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

While all of the rifles mentioned in the question will more than likely get the job done it doesn't mean they are the best thing out there for the money.

The 770 has a rough action as mentioned and a pressed in barrel. That makes it a non-starter for me.

The mossbergs I have seen and held left me with a poor impression as far as quality is concerned.

I have never seen the axis or edge so I can't comment on either of those.

But the Marlin and Vanguard(Howa 1500)are very good quality for price point as mentioned. I don't know if Savage still has the Stevens 200 in their line up anymore but there isn't anything wrong with those either.

Remember you can only spend the money once so do your homework.

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from basecamp outdoors wrote 1 year 39 weeks ago

I think everyone here forgets that, not everyone can afford go out and drop $500-900 on a gun and then drop a few hundred more on a scope, I’m a browning BAR guy myself, but if I were young and just starting out (especially in this economy) I’d be doing back flips to have a couple options on rifle combo’s in the $300 dollar range. I don’t think a lot of people care about how smooth a trigger pull is when they are more worried about being able to pay the power bill or car payment!!! I’m not a Remington fan by any means and you couldn’t pay me to own a 700, but I’m glad that they and Savage give people options…

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

UGLY!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

My Momma said that if I could not say anything nice to not say anything at all. I usually ignore that advice, but not today...

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from smallgamehunter25 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

I'm not rifle expert at all but it seems to me everyone just shits on the Rem. 770. I have one myself and I think its just fine. Sure, its a bit plascity and the actions not the best, but its not a bad gun for the price. And even if the action was bad, you should only need one shot right? Just my view and saying that if you haven't shot one and you talk badly about it just gripe about something else for christs sake.

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from smallgamehunter25 wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Yeah... I'll watch that for the future.

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

sgh25

I think you should use the 770 until you feel the need for a better rifle. If it will shoot well enough to suit you, fine and dandy.

Just remember, not everyone shares your level of satisfaction with the economy models just like most folks don't buy but one Kia or Hyundai....

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from strgrazr@ec.rr.com wrote 2 years 50 weeks ago

I own both Rem.715 in 30-06 and an ATR in 270. Both gun's rifling needed honing.
The 715 is the same as the 770, poor bolt and out of the box accuate but copper fouled quickly and started shooting flyers. Took an afternoon and cleaned/honed the bore with "Remington Bore Cleaner" which has a mild abrasive, 1.25"groups @100 & 6"@400yd not bad for a $199 gun.
The ATR is lighter and more accurate out of the box, much better quality & trigger can be made adjustable. After honing it became a tack driver. Less than 1"@100 & 4"@ 400yd. A great $249 gun, for swamp hunting.

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from Jonathan Lucas wrote 1 year 43 weeks ago

Savage Axis SS
Caliber 30-06
Easy trigger job @ 3.5lbs.
Scope BSA 2x7 mil dot
Range 200 yards
Best 3 shot group size @ 200 yards = .5"

Shoots better than many rifles that cost over $1000.
Call it what you want, but it SHOOTS!!!!

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from idduckhntr wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

cheap junk.

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