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June 16, 2010

Cermele: Getting Clotheslined with Braid

By Joe Cermele

Ever tried to free snagged braid by hand without wearing a glove? If you have, there is a strong possibility that was the first and last time. Braid has major benefits on the water, which we all know, but the stuff can be downright nasty if you're not careful. If you've never gotten a braid cut, multiply a paper cut by five or so. Now, if you can imagine that, think of what it must feel like to get clotheslined in the face with braid while flying down a trail on your mountain bike. It happened to Sandy Jacobson (below) last week in Canada, and it ain't pretty.

I found this story on the websites of CNews Canada and CBC News, and it goes something like this: A couple of idiot kids fishing a local park in Edmonton thought it would be a fine idea to stake their rods on the far side of the bike trail while waiting for a bite. Yeah, that's right, the lines were running across the trail. Along comes Jacobson at about 12mph and the photo shows you what happens.

From the story on CBC News:

The line hit Jacobson on the bridge of her nose, got caught in her teeth, then sliced into the side of her neck as she turned her head.

"EMT [Emergency Medical Technician] said had it caught me right in the neck, like come down six inches [15 centimetres] lower, it could have been a different story, right?" she said.

Jacobson was flipped backward and thrown to the ground, while her shoes were still clipped into the pedals of her mountain bike.

So what's the kicker? The kid who owned the rod blamed Jacobson for the incident, claiming she didn't belong on the trail (designated for bikes, by the way) and that she shouldn't have been going so fast. But in the end, the 21-year-old angler is being slapped with criminal negligence causing bodily harm. As it should be, I say.  - JC

 

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from thebigone wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

was the braid frayed or something? how can you get that many cuts with just one line?

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Angler error, totally. That sort of behavior from a 21 yr. old is unacceptable. He should be liable for cosmetic surgery, pain and suffering.

Occasionally we see that yellow caution tape strung across Foothill Drive, tied on both sides. Other times, it's duct tape. You could pass it off as school boy pranks but at 21, I don't think so. Prosecute.

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from Joe_Cermele wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Bigone...it got her in the nose and slid down her face into her mouth. When she turned back to look, it cut into her cheek.

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from Cgull wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Ouch, now that's just scary! I can only imigine her fright as this started digging in. Thoughtless kids cause unnecessary pain once again. Could of been intentional, a sick way of getting a laugh or getting back at bikers that interfered with thier fishing. I hope the fine and punishment is tough and that they investigate to see if this was intentional.

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Looks like some punk should meet the braid of Cat O' Nines!

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I would have liked to have seen the kids get more. If you're going to try and blame the biker, you obviously aren't getting the point (ie. plan your actions for everyones' safety) and need it made a little more clear.

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from gman3186 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

pretty dumb on the anglers part with this one. when i first saw the caption and then seen the picture first thing that came to mind was i thought some had tied the line across a path and lucky for her that was not the case. if it were tied across the path the damage would be much worst.

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from straightshooter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

A 21 year old is no kid. He is an adult and should have known better. It's good to hear that he is being held accountable.

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from seadog wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Ouch--probably leave a scar too. I bet she never saw it coming--like hitting a booby trap.

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Thet's nuthin'.

A friend's son went under a barbed wire fence at 30 mph on an old snowmobile.

Hit him right below the eyes.

Redefined "Scarface."

His Dad just told him that, when he was young, the measure of a "good time" was whether everybody ended up in the Emergency Room at the end of the day.

But he wuz a Rodeo Cowboy.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

ouch! just stupid if it wasn't an accident he should of warned her as she was coming down the trial?

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from Cherokee Maiden wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

A 21 year old that behaves as a 12 yr old is a kid.

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

But I must add...

I enjoy taking contrary positions here, as an academic exercise.

I have 3 University Degrees and have had my days at work.

This reminds me of me of those Burt Reynolds action movies, co-starring Jackie Gleason.

It also brings to mind being in jail on false charges and observing the behavior of the inmates therein.

I remember one particular movie scene involving a beautiful young lady who was gifted for nutrition, showing her gifts to Jackie Gleson's character, a Highway Patrolman.

He said, "I remember when a couple o fboobs meant a couple of Dumb Guys."

You can give 'em Time and you can Fine 'Em, and they'll still never understand why.

Have Mercy.

Also, you can bet that was a fishin' hole long before White Folks came ashore.

And it was part of local legend before Bicycles were invented.

Certainly, it should be investigated.

My Money is on the fact that these guys are totally innocent of being intelligent, and that the whole thing was an accident.

Shame on the readers of feel 'N' Scream who take sides with anybody except the Hunter and Fisherman.

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

And, unless they are found to be guilty of malice aforethought, they are not nearly as dumb as certain others who are a party to this.

It's going to fall into the laps of anyone and everyone who encouraged or authorised the construction of a race course within reasonable distance of a traditional and well-known fishing hole.

Not her fault, but she was operating a vehicle recklessly.

Otherwise, she would have seen the lines, the poles, and the people.

I used to ride motocross; I know how it is.

Going as fast as you can, you throw caution to the winds, and are in control maybe 10% of the time.

To allow this in a place where people's families have been fishing since time began is to put people on a collision course.

This was bound to happen.

Any competent attorney should be able to make a payday out of this for himself and the guys who were inappropriately arrested.

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from kyka1865 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I have a feeling that there may be more to this story than we are aware of. If it was purely accididental and the fisherman made every effort to help the biker and was gracious in his apology the story might have ended differently.I could be completely wrong but I assume this was not the case. The biker was understandably enraged and scared and we know nothing of this young mans history, for all we know he could have a criminal record.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

The story states this trail was designated for bike use, therefore she had every right to be traveling on that trail, and 12 MPH is not fast for a downhill mountain biker. I can't even see stray fishing line half the time when I'm walking streamside, how can you expect her to while riding and watching rocks and roots? How dumb do you have to be to string your rods across a bike path? Almost makes you wonder if they weren't up to no good to begin with. To defend these guys because this was MAYBE an old fishing hole or that they are fishermen brethern is silly. All sportsmen are accountable for planning and executing their hobby safely, these guys did not.

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from Paul Carroll wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Whether a bike path should be there or not is immaterial. The path was marked for bike use, therefore somebody will ride their bike on it. If the line had hit her across the throat, the story could have be a tragedy.

Rules and regulations are frequently written in blood, meaning someone had to bleed first. It is a shame that careless indifference must be accepted and have a sign posted: "No idiots are allowed to fish over the bike path".

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I would have added reckless endangerment and restitution!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Sadly, we will now have regulations limiting the amount of braided line one can have in possession and must remain in use between one's rod tip and the elbow of your casting hand, or other such nonsense. The lawyers will be lining up for payday.

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from Stuart_Pidman wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

If the guy was fishing then it was not his fault. If he was up to no good then throw the book at him. But as a person who likes to moutain bike, I must say that every time I go out speeding down a bumping twisting trail, that I can't see around the next turn I know that there is a real good chance I am going to get hurt DUH! You just don't expect it to be fishing line. I'm for the fisherman!

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from Cherokee Maiden wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Police charged Chris Rafuse, 21, with criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

"From what we can tell ... it looks as though this was set up as a way of fishing a long way away from the water and the line just happened to cross the bike path. And then the woman rode right into it," said police spokesperson Clair Seyler to CTV Edmonton.

Jacobson's wounds are still healing, she said.

http://www.educationforthedrivingmasses.com/2010/06/chris-rafuse-21-char...

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from 2Poppa wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

*Carelessness is the word I would use for the 21-year old angler. He probably is the same guy that throws his cigarette out the window at major intersections waiting for the light to change, or the dude that stands in the express lane of 15-items or less with 2-weeks of rations in his shopping cart.

**For the bicyclist, she is probably a free spirit, casting all caution to the wind; will not wear a full-face helmet, as to not mess her hair, and is a board member of PETA and will display her scar with pride, so she can give "the full report" to her close knit community of pedal pushers ...

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from 2Poppa wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

* Tongue in Cheek - The idea behind tongue and cheek humor is that the joker wants people to take the joke seriously for a moment, until someone realizes the ludicrousness and points it out. In a mixed group, people who are in on the joke may help to perpetuate it, and while tongue in cheek jokes are not told with the intent to deceive, they are sometimes misinterpreted, resulting in confusion until the matter is straightened out.
This type of humor is distinguished by its subtlety, rather than its flashiness. Some of the best tongue in cheek humor only strikes people minutes or hours after the joke, and some people become known for their ironic senses of humor. Many people who engage in this type of humor also make fun of themselves in the process, with mildly self-deprecating humor which is sometimes designed to diffuse irritation among people who have trouble understanding subtle humor.

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

the fact that he tried to blame the biker, shows that he didn't learn anything from it and has no sense of responsibility or just no sense at all. his parents obviously didn't beat him enough as a young adult when he was showing obvious signs of being a dumba**!

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from Adolph Oliver K... wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

I just want to know if he caught anything other than a hard head.....

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Obviously not wearing a helmet (no break in the cut where a chin strap should be). So it looks like there were 2 idiots in this accident.

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Prosecuting is retarded if it is not proven intentional!

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

hunter69
Good point about the helmet, but your second post was ridiculous. Negligence is a crime as well. If you're driving and you hit someone, you're prosecuted whether you meant to do it or not. Same here.

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from Porcupine wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

The CBC article quoted above mentioned that this happened in Edmonton's Rundle Park;

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Rundle+Park,+...

This is an urban park with a golf course, baseball diamonds, bike trails and other such facilities. There's better places to fish in the Edmonton area that aren't nearly as busy.

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from CynicalOne wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Here's a question for the fisherman out there....

How often do you fish 10ft(or more) from the water?

Seems these guys did. We'll say the bike trail is 3ft wide, from trail to water 3-4ft(or more) and the area occupied by the 'fishermen' another 3ft at least. Who in their right mind would fish this far from the water? And knowing the bike trail was there, why not setup on the water side of the trail?

My guess(pure speculation, of course) is that their setup was an intentional way to in some way foul up the bikers. I'm sure the outcome was unintentional, but they definitely had the bikers in mind when they started fishing.

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Ouch, can't bikers and anglers coexist? Danger Fisherman are trying to get in the shade. Blame this on Lance Armstrong, now everybody is trying to race around with shoes locked into pedals. Roadbike speed racers, who are you kidding? Get a cruiser and you can easily avoid this and other obstacles, or at least minimize damage.

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

dukkillr
Negligence is a problem but show me a law on the books that says you are only allowed to fish from the shore side of a trail. Leave it to Canada to put somthing like that on the books if there is one lol.

ps just playing devils advocate sounds like the kid did it on purpose after reading the police statement.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

They may not be able to make stupid a crime, but I'm glad they do tend to prosecute when it harms someone.

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from fishin4life80 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

I find it hard to believe that the line was in the water, opposed to being tied to a tree or something. How could a line in the water not have enough give in it to just keep moving with her? It must of been tied off to something in order for it to not budge and cut her face up and rip her off her bike.

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from kayak wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

As a life-long fisherman, hunter, kayaker (obviously) and very serious mountain biker who raced amateur level for 7 years, I have to comment:
It was pointed out that 12mph is NOT fast for a bike and the story said nothing about downhill, which would have been much faster.
Regular riders do not wear full face helmets (too hot!), that's only for downhill racers who do 30+mph and BMX who do short races (no overheating danger) and both tend to crash a lot.
Clipped-in pedals give you FAR MORE control than platform pedals, ever had your foot slip off a pedal at speed? You're lucky if you keep from crashing! Plus the pedals had nothing to do with her facial injuries or the negligence of these two who stretched fishing lines OVER a designated path.
Essentially, these guys are thoughtless morons whose complete lack of contrition and in fact denial of their idiocy I hope will be enough to get a conviction and damages.

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from kayak wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Upon a second look, I think hunter69 is absolutely right, no break in the cuts = no helmet straps, so she was being moronic as well. During my racing and serious riding phase, I'd have been dead or a vegetable at least two times if not for helmets!
All that doesn't do anything to make the fishermen's idiocy and lack of remorse any less galling!

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from madicus wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Guys, guys, guts........ This not against anglers and bikers, remember? The kid was to stupid to think and the biker had to pay the price. Voluntary or not, the biker was injured and the kid will have to take responsibility for it. A dedicated bike trail does not include braided line booby traps. And whether the biker was wearing a helmet or not, or whether she was required to do so: Leave that to the vultures (lawyers) to find out. The kid has to be prosecuted. Period.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from kyka1865 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I have a feeling that there may be more to this story than we are aware of. If it was purely accididental and the fisherman made every effort to help the biker and was gracious in his apology the story might have ended differently.I could be completely wrong but I assume this was not the case. The biker was understandably enraged and scared and we know nothing of this young mans history, for all we know he could have a criminal record.

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from Cherokee Maiden wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Police charged Chris Rafuse, 21, with criminal negligence causing bodily harm.

"From what we can tell ... it looks as though this was set up as a way of fishing a long way away from the water and the line just happened to cross the bike path. And then the woman rode right into it," said police spokesperson Clair Seyler to CTV Edmonton.

Jacobson's wounds are still healing, she said.

http://www.educationforthedrivingmasses.com/2010/06/chris-rafuse-21-char...

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from CynicalOne wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Here's a question for the fisherman out there....

How often do you fish 10ft(or more) from the water?

Seems these guys did. We'll say the bike trail is 3ft wide, from trail to water 3-4ft(or more) and the area occupied by the 'fishermen' another 3ft at least. Who in their right mind would fish this far from the water? And knowing the bike trail was there, why not setup on the water side of the trail?

My guess(pure speculation, of course) is that their setup was an intentional way to in some way foul up the bikers. I'm sure the outcome was unintentional, but they definitely had the bikers in mind when they started fishing.

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from countitandone wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Angler error, totally. That sort of behavior from a 21 yr. old is unacceptable. He should be liable for cosmetic surgery, pain and suffering.

Occasionally we see that yellow caution tape strung across Foothill Drive, tied on both sides. Other times, it's duct tape. You could pass it off as school boy pranks but at 21, I don't think so. Prosecute.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

ouch! just stupid if it wasn't an accident he should of warned her as she was coming down the trial?

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from jamesti wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

the fact that he tried to blame the biker, shows that he didn't learn anything from it and has no sense of responsibility or just no sense at all. his parents obviously didn't beat him enough as a young adult when he was showing obvious signs of being a dumba**!

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from madicus wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Guys, guys, guts........ This not against anglers and bikers, remember? The kid was to stupid to think and the biker had to pay the price. Voluntary or not, the biker was injured and the kid will have to take responsibility for it. A dedicated bike trail does not include braided line booby traps. And whether the biker was wearing a helmet or not, or whether she was required to do so: Leave that to the vultures (lawyers) to find out. The kid has to be prosecuted. Period.

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from Joe_Cermele wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Bigone...it got her in the nose and slid down her face into her mouth. When she turned back to look, it cut into her cheek.

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from Cgull wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Ouch, now that's just scary! I can only imigine her fright as this started digging in. Thoughtless kids cause unnecessary pain once again. Could of been intentional, a sick way of getting a laugh or getting back at bikers that interfered with thier fishing. I hope the fine and punishment is tough and that they investigate to see if this was intentional.

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from straightshooter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

A 21 year old is no kid. He is an adult and should have known better. It's good to hear that he is being held accountable.

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from seadog wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Ouch--probably leave a scar too. I bet she never saw it coming--like hitting a booby trap.

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Thet's nuthin'.

A friend's son went under a barbed wire fence at 30 mph on an old snowmobile.

Hit him right below the eyes.

Redefined "Scarface."

His Dad just told him that, when he was young, the measure of a "good time" was whether everybody ended up in the Emergency Room at the end of the day.

But he wuz a Rodeo Cowboy.

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

The story states this trail was designated for bike use, therefore she had every right to be traveling on that trail, and 12 MPH is not fast for a downhill mountain biker. I can't even see stray fishing line half the time when I'm walking streamside, how can you expect her to while riding and watching rocks and roots? How dumb do you have to be to string your rods across a bike path? Almost makes you wonder if they weren't up to no good to begin with. To defend these guys because this was MAYBE an old fishing hole or that they are fishermen brethern is silly. All sportsmen are accountable for planning and executing their hobby safely, these guys did not.

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from Paul Carroll wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Whether a bike path should be there or not is immaterial. The path was marked for bike use, therefore somebody will ride their bike on it. If the line had hit her across the throat, the story could have be a tragedy.

Rules and regulations are frequently written in blood, meaning someone had to bleed first. It is a shame that careless indifference must be accepted and have a sign posted: "No idiots are allowed to fish over the bike path".

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from dukkillr wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

hunter69
Good point about the helmet, but your second post was ridiculous. Negligence is a crime as well. If you're driving and you hit someone, you're prosecuted whether you meant to do it or not. Same here.

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from Porcupine wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

The CBC article quoted above mentioned that this happened in Edmonton's Rundle Park;

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Rundle+Park,+...

This is an urban park with a golf course, baseball diamonds, bike trails and other such facilities. There's better places to fish in the Edmonton area that aren't nearly as busy.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

They may not be able to make stupid a crime, but I'm glad they do tend to prosecute when it harms someone.

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from Cherokee Maiden wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

A 21 year old that behaves as a 12 yr old is a kid.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I would have added reckless endangerment and restitution!

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from WA Mtnhunter wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Sadly, we will now have regulations limiting the amount of braided line one can have in possession and must remain in use between one's rod tip and the elbow of your casting hand, or other such nonsense. The lawyers will be lining up for payday.

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from thebigone wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

was the braid frayed or something? how can you get that many cuts with just one line?

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from WVOtter wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

I would have liked to have seen the kids get more. If you're going to try and blame the biker, you obviously aren't getting the point (ie. plan your actions for everyones' safety) and need it made a little more clear.

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from gman3186 wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

pretty dumb on the anglers part with this one. when i first saw the caption and then seen the picture first thing that came to mind was i thought some had tied the line across a path and lucky for her that was not the case. if it were tied across the path the damage would be much worst.

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from 2Poppa wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

*Carelessness is the word I would use for the 21-year old angler. He probably is the same guy that throws his cigarette out the window at major intersections waiting for the light to change, or the dude that stands in the express lane of 15-items or less with 2-weeks of rations in his shopping cart.

**For the bicyclist, she is probably a free spirit, casting all caution to the wind; will not wear a full-face helmet, as to not mess her hair, and is a board member of PETA and will display her scar with pride, so she can give "the full report" to her close knit community of pedal pushers ...

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from 2Poppa wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

* Tongue in Cheek - The idea behind tongue and cheek humor is that the joker wants people to take the joke seriously for a moment, until someone realizes the ludicrousness and points it out. In a mixed group, people who are in on the joke may help to perpetuate it, and while tongue in cheek jokes are not told with the intent to deceive, they are sometimes misinterpreted, resulting in confusion until the matter is straightened out.
This type of humor is distinguished by its subtlety, rather than its flashiness. Some of the best tongue in cheek humor only strikes people minutes or hours after the joke, and some people become known for their ironic senses of humor. Many people who engage in this type of humor also make fun of themselves in the process, with mildly self-deprecating humor which is sometimes designed to diffuse irritation among people who have trouble understanding subtle humor.

** Same as above

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from kayak wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

As a life-long fisherman, hunter, kayaker (obviously) and very serious mountain biker who raced amateur level for 7 years, I have to comment:
It was pointed out that 12mph is NOT fast for a bike and the story said nothing about downhill, which would have been much faster.
Regular riders do not wear full face helmets (too hot!), that's only for downhill racers who do 30+mph and BMX who do short races (no overheating danger) and both tend to crash a lot.
Clipped-in pedals give you FAR MORE control than platform pedals, ever had your foot slip off a pedal at speed? You're lucky if you keep from crashing! Plus the pedals had nothing to do with her facial injuries or the negligence of these two who stretched fishing lines OVER a designated path.
Essentially, these guys are thoughtless morons whose complete lack of contrition and in fact denial of their idiocy I hope will be enough to get a conviction and damages.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from Nycflyangler wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

I think this is bullshit.

There's no real reporting here. The stenographers, also known as the press, just took down whatever she said.

Here's what likely happened. She was riding too fast for the conditions. Came upon a group of people standing in the middle of the path. She swerved to go around them and picked the wrong side of the group and ran into the line.

After picking herself up she confronted the group. Because she had just trashed their fishing equipment, likely expensive and belonging to their parents, instead of kissing her ass like good little boys, like they were supposed to, they copped an attitude.

Since she's a minor local celebrity and a woman, the cops decided to cover their asses and side with her.

I don't see how the crown has much of a case. She has only herself as a witness, while the defendant is likely to have several to back up his story. Was she injured? Yes. Did she probably play a part in causing her injuries. Again yes.

I've had experience with cyclists here in NYC. They don't obey traffic signals. Don't watch where they're going. Ride far too fast, particularly when going around turns. Weave in and out of traffic and view pedestrians as a moving slalom couse.

As for women, well, the man is always wrong. Isn't that official NOWWWWW (National Organization of Whatever Women Want When they Want It) policy?

Celmele is a schmuck for treating this like it has any resemblance to the truth.

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Obviously not wearing a helmet (no break in the cut where a chin strap should be). So it looks like there were 2 idiots in this accident.

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

dukkillr
Negligence is a problem but show me a law on the books that says you are only allowed to fish from the shore side of a trail. Leave it to Canada to put somthing like that on the books if there is one lol.

ps just playing devils advocate sounds like the kid did it on purpose after reading the police statement.

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from fishin4life80 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

I find it hard to believe that the line was in the water, opposed to being tied to a tree or something. How could a line in the water not have enough give in it to just keep moving with her? It must of been tied off to something in order for it to not budge and cut her face up and rip her off her bike.

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from kayak wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Upon a second look, I think hunter69 is absolutely right, no break in the cuts = no helmet straps, so she was being moronic as well. During my racing and serious riding phase, I'd have been dead or a vegetable at least two times if not for helmets!
All that doesn't do anything to make the fishermen's idiocy and lack of remorse any less galling!

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from Dcast wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

Looks like some punk should meet the braid of Cat O' Nines!

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from Stuart_Pidman wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

If the guy was fishing then it was not his fault. If he was up to no good then throw the book at him. But as a person who likes to moutain bike, I must say that every time I go out speeding down a bumping twisting trail, that I can't see around the next turn I know that there is a real good chance I am going to get hurt DUH! You just don't expect it to be fishing line. I'm for the fisherman!

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from Adolph Oliver K... wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

I just want to know if he caught anything other than a hard head.....

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

But I must add...

I enjoy taking contrary positions here, as an academic exercise.

I have 3 University Degrees and have had my days at work.

This reminds me of me of those Burt Reynolds action movies, co-starring Jackie Gleason.

It also brings to mind being in jail on false charges and observing the behavior of the inmates therein.

I remember one particular movie scene involving a beautiful young lady who was gifted for nutrition, showing her gifts to Jackie Gleson's character, a Highway Patrolman.

He said, "I remember when a couple o fboobs meant a couple of Dumb Guys."

You can give 'em Time and you can Fine 'Em, and they'll still never understand why.

Have Mercy.

Also, you can bet that was a fishin' hole long before White Folks came ashore.

And it was part of local legend before Bicycles were invented.

Certainly, it should be investigated.

My Money is on the fact that these guys are totally innocent of being intelligent, and that the whole thing was an accident.

Shame on the readers of feel 'N' Scream who take sides with anybody except the Hunter and Fisherman.

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from hunter69 wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Prosecuting is retarded if it is not proven intentional!

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from Drew McClure wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

Ouch, can't bikers and anglers coexist? Danger Fisherman are trying to get in the shade. Blame this on Lance Armstrong, now everybody is trying to race around with shoes locked into pedals. Roadbike speed racers, who are you kidding? Get a cruiser and you can easily avoid this and other obstacles, or at least minimize damage.

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from blackdawgz wrote 3 years 44 weeks ago

And, unless they are found to be guilty of malice aforethought, they are not nearly as dumb as certain others who are a party to this.

It's going to fall into the laps of anyone and everyone who encouraged or authorised the construction of a race course within reasonable distance of a traditional and well-known fishing hole.

Not her fault, but she was operating a vehicle recklessly.

Otherwise, she would have seen the lines, the poles, and the people.

I used to ride motocross; I know how it is.

Going as fast as you can, you throw caution to the winds, and are in control maybe 10% of the time.

To allow this in a place where people's families have been fishing since time began is to put people on a collision course.

This was bound to happen.

Any competent attorney should be able to make a payday out of this for himself and the guys who were inappropriately arrested.

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