


November 18, 2011
Crayfish/Crawfish Debate: Help a College Kid Get an A+
by Joe Cermele

Yesterday, an email from one Mr. Bill Erickson found its way to my inbox. Bill is a student at the Yavapai College of Arizona, and he was writing looking for help with an assignment. His Aquaculture professor asked the class to turn in a two-page paper by midnight this Sunday defending their opinions about whether there is actually a difference between crayfish, crawfish, and crawdads.
According to Bill, he and others in the class have been "tearing our hair out trying to figure this one out." Now, I told Bill that although I am no Mr. Wizard or Jaque Cousteau, I am pretty sure crayfish is the correct term for all members of the family, and crawfish, crawdad, and mud bug are nothing but regional names given to crays. I've never been to Louisiana and had a "crayfish boil," and I've never seen a tackle shop in the Northeast selling live "crawfish."
I'm calling the professor's bluff! It's a trick question, and there is no biological or physiological difference between a crayfish and a crawfish. I've searched the Net a bit for info, and like Bill and his fellow students, I can't find anything definitive about a difference between the two. But I do not claim to know everything, so I promised Bill I'd open up the floor here at F&S.com and let you guys weigh in. Let's help Mr. Erickson nab an A+ on this one.
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My understanding is that they are different names for the same animal, but I think the difference is in use, rather than location. If you are eating them, they are crawfish, if you are using them as bait, its crayfish.
Nothing helpful to add, but this reminded me of a Jerry Clowers joke about going to Boston and them feeding him the biggest, reddest crawfish he ever saw.
Send the student this link
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201109101577?page=2
Its an article that talks about a new crayfish species discovered recently in the Greenbriar River system of WV...Within the article the scientist is quoted using crawdad and crayfish in the same sentense. I think he could use this quote to his advantage in his paper. Good luck on your paper if you are reading this too!!!
Hopefully this will be a good start for the young scholar.
The distinction between crayfish, crawfish, crawdads or any other nomenclature used to describe the delicious little crustacean comes not from physiological differences, but in the purpose towards which it is being used and the geographical setting of said endeavor. For example, if a certain redneck from Texas who happens to live and play in Wyoming wishes to trap “crawfish” out of the water hazards at the local golf course (ignoring the fact that it used to be an oil refinery) so that he can relive some of the college glory days by throwing a giant, southern style crawfish boil, but the course manager looks at the previously mentioned redneck confused and says “I don’t think we have any crawfish in those hazards, but boy howdy do we have lots of crayfish” the mudbugs in question instantly become crayfish and this Texan becomes a “Crayfish Removal Technician”. This explanation covers the geographical portion of the hypothesis, yet not the general use question. To understand this secondary principle of the initial supposition one only need to spend a weekend with a well seasoned smallmouth fisherman. On many an early Saturday morning in bass boats across America the words “take that pork chunk off your jig and throw on this crawdad” can be heard from grizzled men who have caught thousands of bass on “crawdads” made out of synthetic material by one of the many fine tackle manufacturing institutions in the world today, but have never actually referred to the live creature as anything other than a mudbug, crawfish, crayfish, ole googly eyes or dinner.
This is, of course, is a very limited explanation of a very complex and revolving theory with limitless variables to be tested. Perhaps it would be advantageous for a certain student to suggest that further testing of the hypothesis is necessary to fully comprehend the conundrum at hand. Preferably in a controlled environment which involves copious amounts of beer, boiled crawfish and fishing rods. Admission to the testing environment is open to the general public with no cover for girls scantily clad in bikinis and professors free with a report card containing an A for the appropriate class.
Tomato-Tomoto
Tomato-Potato
Well its not a fish and this whole thing just sticks in my Craw.
Different names, all correct, all members of Astacidae or Cambaridae families in the US. Never seen anything that says the subspecies of each family denote using crayfish, crawfish, or crawdad. Mountain lion, catamount, or cougar - as long as your talking about the same subspecies - they're all correct.
That's a crayfish. People that call it anything else probably refer to their carbonated drinks as "pop," and say other strange things like "I reckon" and "Y'all."
Down here in the deep south we call them all three of these name or the same mud bug. crawfish is the title we usually give them but the others fit also.
It's like the difference between a sweet potato and a yam. Geographical names & in the lower Mississippi region you had American Indian, Spanish, French, even some Irish all influencing words and pronunciation where ever they settled.
I however just call them all mud-bugs right before I boil them and eat 'em.
I use all three names. I don't know if its because my dad is from up north and my mom the south, but I'll change the names I use depending on my mood.
Don't forget in pet stores they sell colored crawfish under the name "lobster."
Well, to me a crawdad is something I use for fish bait. A crawfish is a critter that I like to eat. A crayfish is just a yankee name for a crawdad.
Crayfish is universal. Australia uses crayfish. crawfish is in websters and also refers to backward retreat. Any other references are slang from different ares of the country as already mentiioned. all in the spiny lobster family.
Having lived and worked in Louisiana, my only question is: did they suck the head?
There all dad's bait or dinner.
You use a crawfish when you're fishing. You talk about crayfish in a paper or in a book. You boil up and eat 10 pounds of crawdads.
Does anyone remember when Jethro was going to show the hippies in the park how to "smoke crawdads". That was a classic and always comes to mind when I hear "crawdad"
Oh Thank you guys so much for all this great information - and Joe is certainly Heaven-sent for creating this blog.
I've posted all your responses to the class Discussion Board, so now most everyone will probably get an A+.
The post that touches me the most has been the one from Murdock32 "Well its not a fish and this whole thing just sticks in my Craw." well - it really does stick in my craw as this is an Aquaculture class to ready us for a career in the industry, and this assignment has made me feel like I'm chasing phantoms and a total waste of time - the rest of the class feels pretty much the same.
So thank you guys so very much for reaching out and getting us off the hook.
ps I've sent the Professor Joe's email address and ask that she please send her answer to the Crawfish vs. Crawfish debate to him. I'll be interested to see if she responds, and I'd post her email address here, but it would probably lead me into some very deep doo-doo.
As a biologist, this sounds to me like a great way to introduce the students to the importance of scientific names vs common names....
"Grannie smokes crawdads all the time."
There are golf courses in Wyoming? We in the east think Wyoming is nothing but beautiful mountains, cougars, grazing cattle and long cold winters. Seriously; I need to get out more.
There is a GREAT restaurant near Jacksonvile FLA. (I think in Orange City or something similar), called CLARKS FISH CAMP. It has great taxidermy on the walls in the restaurant and serves the SWAMP SPECIAL with alligator, crawdads, bass, shrimp and rice. Hmmm good.
With apologies to the biologist out there (I was a CMPSC major): There has to be more than just dialect in crawdads, crayfish, That animal has been here too long and too hard to migrate between places too far apart, and I never heard of it being stocked. Genetically; Is it logical to assume that there has to be sub-species upon sub-species? Is that what the professor was after. Getting to students to ask why is there or is there not much differentiation between locations? Is the answer in the question grasshiopper?
" sounds to me like a great way to introduce the students to the importance of scientific names vs common names...."
Neither Crayfish nor Crawfish are scientific names, and an in-depth study into one vs. the other offers little value to serious students of aquaculture - especially when shouldered with obligations coming from many fronts.
I think you definately need to consult Jeff Foxworthy on this one. He'd have your answer!
I think you definately need to consult Jeff Foxworthy on this one. He'd have your answer!
Knew a mechanic's wife who at a crawfish boil in Louisiana was pickin' at TWO crawfish. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "In Oklahoma, this is bait." Meanwhile, on either side of her were Cajuns just chowing down on a HUGE PILE of crawfish. Guess it depends on where you're from, I suppose.
Don't be upset about it being a 'trick question'. There's a point in any training for almost any career that someone wants to find out if you're paying attention.
Someone in your class is going to have a doozy of a report about the differences.
When you are actually doing things for a living out there soon, it will be good to know that you, however, will never be caught in that trap.
It's not wasted time. Your Professor has a reason for this.
I am from Ohio and have seen crawdads in streams as big as lobsters and have often wondered if they are the same as what people in the deep south eat. I can not answer this question but I can tell you that crawdads can be a good barometer for the healthiness of the river/stream system. Since the crawdad is sensitive to low levels of "pollution" they are normally one of the first species to die or move under these circumstances.
All I know is they make good Catfish and Bass bait! Good writing and good fishing!!
Thank god they try to figure in Australia in the mix. Because they call them Yabies down under.
Agreeing with everyone else, the names seem to be local dialect for the same animal(s). Unless the professor is looking for specific differences between species of which there are over 300 in N America alone.
P.S. - Suzer: a sweet potato (native to the Americas) and a yam (native to Asia/Africa) are two completely different plants.
crawdad247,
I assume you are poking fun at people in the South. Your description was way off, because we don't use the term "pop" down here. I've never heard anyone throw that term around except for Yankees. Maybe they are Yankees from the other side of Big Muddy.
Who knew - I thought all you folks were the same... :D
You are all wrong, wrong, wrong. Depends only on which school you went to. And what's more, the Australians call them Yabbies.
I wouldn't think there was a difference, but I wouldn't thank that there would be a difference between squa fish in the Colorado river and in Wyoming, but according to the DOW there is, the Colorado fish are endangered and the Wyoming fish are a nucense. They say the DNA is different.. I bet you would have to get DNA from each to tell is the point.. or ask a DOW guy..lol
anyone else notice that crawdad247 is calling that a crayfish also buddy, I reckon, and Yall is a southern thing POP is a ........ wait who cares who says pop
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Nothing helpful to add, but this reminded me of a Jerry Clowers joke about going to Boston and them feeding him the biggest, reddest crawfish he ever saw.
Hopefully this will be a good start for the young scholar.
The distinction between crayfish, crawfish, crawdads or any other nomenclature used to describe the delicious little crustacean comes not from physiological differences, but in the purpose towards which it is being used and the geographical setting of said endeavor. For example, if a certain redneck from Texas who happens to live and play in Wyoming wishes to trap “crawfish” out of the water hazards at the local golf course (ignoring the fact that it used to be an oil refinery) so that he can relive some of the college glory days by throwing a giant, southern style crawfish boil, but the course manager looks at the previously mentioned redneck confused and says “I don’t think we have any crawfish in those hazards, but boy howdy do we have lots of crayfish” the mudbugs in question instantly become crayfish and this Texan becomes a “Crayfish Removal Technician”. This explanation covers the geographical portion of the hypothesis, yet not the general use question. To understand this secondary principle of the initial supposition one only need to spend a weekend with a well seasoned smallmouth fisherman. On many an early Saturday morning in bass boats across America the words “take that pork chunk off your jig and throw on this crawdad” can be heard from grizzled men who have caught thousands of bass on “crawdads” made out of synthetic material by one of the many fine tackle manufacturing institutions in the world today, but have never actually referred to the live creature as anything other than a mudbug, crawfish, crayfish, ole googly eyes or dinner.
This is, of course, is a very limited explanation of a very complex and revolving theory with limitless variables to be tested. Perhaps it would be advantageous for a certain student to suggest that further testing of the hypothesis is necessary to fully comprehend the conundrum at hand. Preferably in a controlled environment which involves copious amounts of beer, boiled crawfish and fishing rods. Admission to the testing environment is open to the general public with no cover for girls scantily clad in bikinis and professors free with a report card containing an A for the appropriate class.
Well its not a fish and this whole thing just sticks in my Craw.
Tomato-Tomoto
Different names, all correct, all members of Astacidae or Cambaridae families in the US. Never seen anything that says the subspecies of each family denote using crayfish, crawfish, or crawdad. Mountain lion, catamount, or cougar - as long as your talking about the same subspecies - they're all correct.
Does anyone remember when Jethro was going to show the hippies in the park how to "smoke crawdads". That was a classic and always comes to mind when I hear "crawdad"
Oh Thank you guys so much for all this great information - and Joe is certainly Heaven-sent for creating this blog.
I've posted all your responses to the class Discussion Board, so now most everyone will probably get an A+.
The post that touches me the most has been the one from Murdock32 "Well its not a fish and this whole thing just sticks in my Craw." well - it really does stick in my craw as this is an Aquaculture class to ready us for a career in the industry, and this assignment has made me feel like I'm chasing phantoms and a total waste of time - the rest of the class feels pretty much the same.
So thank you guys so very much for reaching out and getting us off the hook.
ps I've sent the Professor Joe's email address and ask that she please send her answer to the Crawfish vs. Crawfish debate to him. I'll be interested to see if she responds, and I'd post her email address here, but it would probably lead me into some very deep doo-doo.
Don't be upset about it being a 'trick question'. There's a point in any training for almost any career that someone wants to find out if you're paying attention.
Someone in your class is going to have a doozy of a report about the differences.
When you are actually doing things for a living out there soon, it will be good to know that you, however, will never be caught in that trap.
It's not wasted time. Your Professor has a reason for this.
My understanding is that they are different names for the same animal, but I think the difference is in use, rather than location. If you are eating them, they are crawfish, if you are using them as bait, its crayfish.
Send the student this link
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/201109101577?page=2
Its an article that talks about a new crayfish species discovered recently in the Greenbriar River system of WV...Within the article the scientist is quoted using crawdad and crayfish in the same sentense. I think he could use this quote to his advantage in his paper. Good luck on your paper if you are reading this too!!!
That's a crayfish. People that call it anything else probably refer to their carbonated drinks as "pop," and say other strange things like "I reckon" and "Y'all."
Down here in the deep south we call them all three of these name or the same mud bug. crawfish is the title we usually give them but the others fit also.
It's like the difference between a sweet potato and a yam. Geographical names & in the lower Mississippi region you had American Indian, Spanish, French, even some Irish all influencing words and pronunciation where ever they settled.
I however just call them all mud-bugs right before I boil them and eat 'em.
I use all three names. I don't know if its because my dad is from up north and my mom the south, but I'll change the names I use depending on my mood.
Don't forget in pet stores they sell colored crawfish under the name "lobster."
Crayfish is universal. Australia uses crayfish. crawfish is in websters and also refers to backward retreat. Any other references are slang from different ares of the country as already mentiioned. all in the spiny lobster family.
Having lived and worked in Louisiana, my only question is: did they suck the head?
There all dad's bait or dinner.
As a biologist, this sounds to me like a great way to introduce the students to the importance of scientific names vs common names....
"Grannie smokes crawdads all the time."
I think you definately need to consult Jeff Foxworthy on this one. He'd have your answer!
Knew a mechanic's wife who at a crawfish boil in Louisiana was pickin' at TWO crawfish. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "In Oklahoma, this is bait." Meanwhile, on either side of her were Cajuns just chowing down on a HUGE PILE of crawfish. Guess it depends on where you're from, I suppose.
I am from Ohio and have seen crawdads in streams as big as lobsters and have often wondered if they are the same as what people in the deep south eat. I can not answer this question but I can tell you that crawdads can be a good barometer for the healthiness of the river/stream system. Since the crawdad is sensitive to low levels of "pollution" they are normally one of the first species to die or move under these circumstances.
Agreeing with everyone else, the names seem to be local dialect for the same animal(s). Unless the professor is looking for specific differences between species of which there are over 300 in N America alone.
P.S. - Suzer: a sweet potato (native to the Americas) and a yam (native to Asia/Africa) are two completely different plants.
Tomato-Potato
Well, to me a crawdad is something I use for fish bait. A crawfish is a critter that I like to eat. A crayfish is just a yankee name for a crawdad.
You use a crawfish when you're fishing. You talk about crayfish in a paper or in a book. You boil up and eat 10 pounds of crawdads.
There are golf courses in Wyoming? We in the east think Wyoming is nothing but beautiful mountains, cougars, grazing cattle and long cold winters. Seriously; I need to get out more.
There is a GREAT restaurant near Jacksonvile FLA. (I think in Orange City or something similar), called CLARKS FISH CAMP. It has great taxidermy on the walls in the restaurant and serves the SWAMP SPECIAL with alligator, crawdads, bass, shrimp and rice. Hmmm good.
With apologies to the biologist out there (I was a CMPSC major): There has to be more than just dialect in crawdads, crayfish, That animal has been here too long and too hard to migrate between places too far apart, and I never heard of it being stocked. Genetically; Is it logical to assume that there has to be sub-species upon sub-species? Is that what the professor was after. Getting to students to ask why is there or is there not much differentiation between locations? Is the answer in the question grasshiopper?
" sounds to me like a great way to introduce the students to the importance of scientific names vs common names...."
Neither Crayfish nor Crawfish are scientific names, and an in-depth study into one vs. the other offers little value to serious students of aquaculture - especially when shouldered with obligations coming from many fronts.
I think you definately need to consult Jeff Foxworthy on this one. He'd have your answer!
All I know is they make good Catfish and Bass bait! Good writing and good fishing!!
Thank god they try to figure in Australia in the mix. Because they call them Yabies down under.
crawdad247,
I assume you are poking fun at people in the South. Your description was way off, because we don't use the term "pop" down here. I've never heard anyone throw that term around except for Yankees. Maybe they are Yankees from the other side of Big Muddy.
Who knew - I thought all you folks were the same... :D
You are all wrong, wrong, wrong. Depends only on which school you went to. And what's more, the Australians call them Yabbies.
I wouldn't think there was a difference, but I wouldn't thank that there would be a difference between squa fish in the Colorado river and in Wyoming, but according to the DOW there is, the Colorado fish are endangered and the Wyoming fish are a nucense. They say the DNA is different.. I bet you would have to get DNA from each to tell is the point.. or ask a DOW guy..lol
anyone else notice that crawdad247 is calling that a crayfish also buddy, I reckon, and Yall is a southern thing POP is a ........ wait who cares who says pop
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