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September 19, 2011

Would You Take This Shot?

By Dave Hurteau

I think I smell an emerging trend in our fast-changing world of bowhunting for whitetails. But I’m not going to mention what it is just yet. Instead, I want to ask you a very simple question: Assuming you are hunting with a bow, are there any circumstances in which you would shoot at a quartering-to deer, like this one?

Now be honest. This is for posterity. 

Illustration courtesy of KalKomey Enterprises, Inc. Learn more. Take a hunter-safety course at www.Hunter-Ed.com.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No and Hell no.

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from CorieSquared wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely never.

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from CorieSquared wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely never.

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from nitrojoe wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I did take this shot when I was younger(16). Hit the buck in the chest, just inside the left shoulder. The arrow passed all the way through the buck and exited through the right buttock. He only made it 30 yards, I would only do it again if the situation was the same. 5 yards away, on the ground with the deer and the deer was about to bolt.

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from neuman23 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have only taken this shot once. It was at 10 yards, the deer maybe made it 30 yards. The blood trail was about 3 feet wide. I will not take this shot again though.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If I were a bowhunter and could reliably group 4" at 30 yards I'd take that shot every time at 30 yards or fewer. As a rifle hunter this would be a drop dead easy shot.

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from SifordOutdoorz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Never have and dont think I would. However just this past Saturday my brothers friend took this shot and it was a similar situation to Joes. The doe was about 5 yards away he was on the ground and he let an arrow fly it went straight through everything she did not even go ten yards before expiring.

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from IND_NRA wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have in the past when I was younger and I was like a hair trigger. Now all the planets would need to aliagn for me to take that same shot today.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle yes, Bow no way in hell!

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from johntalbott wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I killed a doe positioned this way when I was in high school. I was on the ground 18 yards in front of her; she went about 3-4 steps and the brush behind her was painted red. I would not feel comfortable taking this shot now...in high school, I would shoot for 8-10 hrs a week with my buddies and could consistently hit my friends arrows out to 40 yards.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle shot wouldn't be in the chest either, I would put it in the center of that nice white patch of fur on the neck!

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from Jason Hart wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If it was with a rifle sure. But a bow is a different story and I would never take this shot. I could only imagine how disgusted I would be with myself if I took it and lost that deer.

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from ckRich wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Too many variables come into play on a chest shot. So my reflex answer is no.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've taken it with a rifle. I've passed on it at ranges down to 5' with a bow. I still second guess that one.

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from Kris24 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

NO!!!

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from aferraro wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It seems like most of us wouldn't touch it. What if it was the last day of hunting season and he was 20 yards away? I'd be very tempted.

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from aferraro wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It seems like most of us wouldn't touch it. What if it was the last day of hunting season and he was 20 yards away? I'd be very tempted.

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from Big Country wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle for sure is a yes. Bow I highly dought it. Maybe it the deer was only five yards but even then I'd try for a broad side.

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from tirdypointbuck wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would wait, he would probably eventually turn broadside.

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from Arlo269 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Maybe not in the chest but the neck shot...Hell Yeah if he's within 30!!

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from WesMcCormick wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I am able to make a killing shot yes! would I take it NO! like ckrich said to many variables, a little patience and he'd probably turn.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

not even for the buck of a lifetime!

yrs-
Evan!

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from makersman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

is the deer looking at you or something else? No to an alert deer and YES to one with its mind on something else.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have, and I would again if the situation was "just right".

A buddy and I did a "2 man drive" a few years ago. He walked a long, narrow corridor, I sat on a bucket and posted. I was mainly hunting for meat, and when 2 does ran out 15 yds in front of me I drew my bow. Then I caught sight of antlers and pivoted a bit and was looking through my sight at a dandy 10 pointer staring at me exactly like the picture, at 23 yards. I released the arrow and he fell about 40 yards away.

Would I try to draw and make this shot at 40 yards? Heck no

But honestly, if I was at full draw and a buck gives me this shot at 25 yards or less, I'd take it.

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from huntnow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would contemplate a neck shot depending on range but I wouldn't even think about the chest.

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from bowman77 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely. Hunting from the ground, 15 yards or less. I will take this shot. I have in the past, and it's deadly. I am confident I can make that shot with as little error and as much accuracy as I could from a broadside 20-30 yard shot from the ground or tree stand. The window is there, and it is very doable. I will not do it from an elevated position however, as you will then have to break through the scapula and then you are asking for trouble.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

My guess is that the trend that you have stumbled onto is an increased willingness to take "marginal" shots on deer with modern archery equipment.

I feel that my obligation as a hunter is to make the quickest, most humane kill possible. Certain shot presentations make that difficult to do. However, I am not wholly convinced that this is one of them.

When Chris Brackett was hosting the archery show "Arrow Affliction" he practiced this shot extensively. He made a point of explaining that although this shot had been long held to be unethical with archery equipment, he felt it could be an ethical shot if the placement was exact. Later, he went on to harvest a variety of game animals in this presentation.

IF (and that's a big if) you are confident in you ability to place an arrow in a spot smaller than your fist then this has the potential to be a viable shot. Certainly if the game animal had already been wounded I would take this shot. In other circumstances it may be debatable. Given a shot under 10 yards, I might just take it.

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from Ted Collins wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I live in Ohio and hunt with a crossbow. Took this shot once on a doe, she went 30 yards and when I field dressed her my arrow had went through her heart but she never blead a drop, luckey for me she stayed in a mowed path.

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from beavertronic wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

As hunters, it is our responsibility that all kills are made ethically and legally. Each individual will have different opinions as to what is ethical in their book. I, for one, would not take this shot.

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from phconk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

if you are shooting heavy arrows and a cut on contact broadhead at least 125 grains, with a bow that would shoot them at least 300 fps, then yes. anything else, no

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from VAHunter540 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have taken this shot and I have passed on this shot. I know I am lucky to have not have crippled the deer. Its risky but like many of the others have said, in ideal circumstances it can work very well.

For clarification... never over 15yds in any situation. usually a better shot will present itself before the deer closes inside of 15yds.

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from Blue Ox wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

With a firearm- yes. Aim for the white spot on the neck.
With a bow- the deer would have to be awful close (within 10 yards) & even then i'd think it over.

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from pfettig77 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

"Now be honest. This is for posterity." That's from The Princess Bride. Awesome. I shot a deer from the ground less than 10 yards away that was posed just like this. I shot between the front shoulders and it hit the vitals on the deer's right side and she didn't go far. I think you have to consider each situation individually as there are always so many variable to take into account.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i had bad results from taking this shot with a gun when I was younger, i ended up tracking the deer down with knowledge of the area and had to make another shot the bullet hit the brisket and turned towards the leg and deer can move pretty quick with a broken leg. With a bow i would have to be on the ground and awfully close.

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from curt88 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have taken this shot before, if you hit a spot called the thoracic inlet you send your arrow through a mess consisting of among other things, the jugular veins, the carotid arteries, and trachea, with the arrow continuing on to the heart and other vital structures. When i took this shot i saw the deer fall dead 30 to 40 yds away dead within moments of shooting. If you know for a fact that you can hit this spot, its an indentation about the size of a fist, its a very humane kill shot. That being said it is a small opening and you need to know without a doubt you can hit it. So in response to the question if i am on the ground and can be certain of hitting the vital spot i have no problem making the shot, however making this shot requires a substantial level of arrow placement skill and i dont like the thought of making the shot from elevation

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from weswes088 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Nope. Wait and hope he turns broadside

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from KProbst wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If we lived In a perfect world and all was lined up perfect on the last day of the season maybe I would take it but most likely not

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Another thing that both puzzles and concerns me. A deer's critical area is not particularly larger from a broadside aspect than it is from this front. Any broadhead hit in the heart or lung area from the front quartering aspect is just as effective as a broadhead hit in the heart lung area from a side aspect.

Which makes me wonder what sort of shots people think they're taking from the side? If you miss aft from a side aspect you just wound up with a gut shot wounded deer. And there's *less* of that paunch aspect from the front-quartering perspective, so you're less likely to gut shoot a deer from the front quarter.

IMO if your accuracy and consistency is too sketchy to make that front quartering shot with a bow, you probably shouldn't be hunting with a bow at all.

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from Hurckles wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

too many things have to go just right, plus, no exit would, so a weak blood trail at best...with the old mossberg slugger, i wouldn't think twice, but with a bow, no way!

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from Nic Meador wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

short range, the deer is absolutely calm and a good quality fixed blade? then yes.

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from 2turkeysIn1 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

YES right in the white of its throat. Watch the blood squirt out like no tomorrow.

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from cunninghamww wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

it all depends...on the ground, close range...maybe. Any other situation, probably not.

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from RANGERMANZ20 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have made this shot twice only on the ground and under 30 yrds, both times deer went down within sight. With a gun it's a done deal but a bow it's 50% at best.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No. The last day and hour of the season, about to bolt, biggest buck you've ever seen, sure record - none of these are an excuse to change that answer. Just no.

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from RES1956 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Ditto Walt Smith's post, both of them.
Re. Mike Deihl's post: the liklehood of ventilating both lungs from this angle is small. the ultimate goal should be a double lung hit and a good blood trail for recovery (read that exit wound) and an exit wound's chance for occuring with this angle is far less than a braodside shot.

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from huntnow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I agree with RES1956, you're not very likely to get a good blood trail with this shot in the chest. The neck might be a different story though.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Never with the bow, any time with a firearm.

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from cody5 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No. I would wait for a better opportunity. If not that day, then on a later date. If you don't spook the buck he'll still be around.

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from huntinhuntinhuntin wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

My issue with this shot is that the arrow will get stuck in the shoulder. Also if you did manage to get through the shoulder you could tear the hell out of the grass bag.

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from rwminard wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

More than likely not - if on the ground and within 10 yards you might have an argument for it - but you are better off waiting for them to turn - you know they will.

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from paulsen33 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I wouldn't take the shot and be ready for when the deer turns broadside. The shoulder is protecting way to much of the vitals.

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from Will Brantley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Inside of 30 yards with my bow and a fixed-blade broadhead, yes.

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from mwmrtn wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Thats a SUCKER SHOT ! Absolutely NO. He's got you pegged and even if you happen to be at full draw you will be forcing a shot that isn't there to begin with. Patience kills more deer than anything out there.

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from RES1956 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

To the posters who have responded that they would take a neck shot on this deer with a bow: 'Bad Idea'.

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Saw this shot taken twice while watching the Outdoor Channel this week. The first shot was at an antelope drinking from a water hole. The arrow went high and spined the animal. The antelope fell face first in the water and drowned, struggling to get up while the hunter (I will use that term loosely) was pumping his fist. Not only did this nutjob make a poor shot he failed to follow up with a kill shot while the antelope struggled in the water.

The second quarter towards shot was from an elevated stand on a whitetail. The deer was recovered the next day by a jubilant hunter. I would have been a little more subdued knowing the animal had to suffer all night prior to dying. I'm guessing it was all about the horn for this guy and little about a good clean kill.

In both cases the Outdoor Channel should be embarrassed to air such crap. I would consider neither hunt successful let alone worthy of airing. Remember, these jokers getting on TV are the face of the hunting world and should be held at a much higher standard.

I have noticed an increase in this type of shot within the TV hunting community. I am guessing the fast emerging trend Dave is going to mention is the success of the front quarter shot made more lethal with today's faster bows. Just a guess. I look forward to the conversation.

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from RylieGipson wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would with a shotgun or muzzleloader. wid a bow I dont think so.

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

The only way I take this shot is if killing this deer means I eat and not killing this deer means I starve. Since I have family and friends I could count on in desperate measures, that deer walks.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Diehl -

"A deer's critical area is not particularly larger from a broadside aspect than it is from this front."

Are you kidding me?

Have you never looked at deer anatomy?

They have bones, believe it or not.

A broadhead has to go in and slice up the heart/lungs to kill cleanly. Good luck getting to them from that angle.

Broadside is a huge, easy target with very little bone in the way. The angle in question here gives you a little tunnel to shoot through. Basically, a clean kill with an arrow here is based on luck.

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from JB101 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If the deer I was looking at had a lovely detailed drawing showing me exactly where his lungs are like this one does... heck yes! ;)

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No, I only shoot at broadside animals with my bow.

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from FishnFast wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely "no" for two reasons, I'm bow hunting elevated, which makes this a very poor shot, the animal will suffer, possibly even die much later, which is wrong and unethical, period ! Your question was addressing bow hunters, why so many stated yes with gun I dont know. Second, if I were ground hunting, this shot would kill the deer, however, it will needlessly suffer because your not likely to take out both lungs, or heart for quick kill, and you might even destroy meat meat through contamination. The animals deserves to pass on this shot.

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from FishnFast wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

bowmann 77 stated you could make this shot from ground or treestand, then you say you wouldnt take from elevated position ?????? Any hunter can shoot from any position, but it's not ethical because you have much less chance to guarantee a quick kill which the animal deserves.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

At hunters safty course 35yrs ago it was not a shot to take with a bow and I hope things have not changed

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from DTR32 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i would do it within 20 yards

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from ctbhb1 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Took this shot with a rifle twice. Very deadly. A bow????? Depends on distance, angle, and size of deer.

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from Hunter55 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would take the shot. As fast as bows are now, with the correct broadhead, and proper shot placement that deer might as well put your tag on for you!

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from clharmon wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would take that shot with a camera and a rifle! But not with a bow. I taught hunter safety for ten years and I never would take that shot with a bow. To many things can go wrong. Its not worth the animal suffering, no matter the bow or the broad head.

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from iowaoutdoorsman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Yes I would not hesitate as long as there is no elevation. If hunting from say a tree stand your effective target diminishes. Never from an elevated position, everytime from the ground. Anyways, that specific picture the deer is staring you down, 90%+ of the time when you release that deer is going to pivot to his left and your going to double lung him. Remember that you have to shoot within your means. I could make that shot under 40yds everytime.

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from dlbowhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i would definitly take the shot from a ground blind less than 30 yards,but no way from a tree stand.

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from ebrn1ar wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I shoot Grim Reapers....why not take that shot!

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from ndpurint wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would have to agree with many of the posts above, certain situations, such as the last day of season, a VERY close range shot, or if you are absolutely certain that you are good enough to make a good kill shot. Personally, I am confident in my abilities but I don't think I would take the shot. As a few of the posts above stated, if you wait long enough and play your cards right..good chance he'll turn and give you an even more certain shot opportunity.

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from ny bearhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

YES, YES AND YES AGAIN, I HAVE TAKEN THIS SHOT AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES AND RECOVERED EACH KILL, ITS NOT A SHOT FOR THE NOVICE HUNTER.

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from Robert Woody Woods wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

On the last day of the season yes.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Why does last day of the season make it OK to cripple a deer and make it suffer? If you haven't had a clean shot by the last day, you lose. It's called hunting for a reason.

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from 3BladeScud wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I know they say that you can't kill with an arrow nocked. But there's no way I would take that shot! The chances of crippling the deer are high and the track job will be terrible. Unethical shot.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

under ideal or almost ideal conditions, i would, but only if i had a nice solid, weighty, head on my arrow. but only for the non-monster whitetail that live where i am.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

under ideal or almost ideal conditions, i would, but only if i had a nice solid, weighty, head on my arrow. but only for the non-monster whitetail that live where i am.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

sorry 'bout the double message, had a snafu with the upload

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've never takened that shot with a bow and will not. The opportunity presented itself the first day I went huntin' here in Kentucky. A lone doe came up to a bedding area and wasn't sure exactly what I was and walked straight towards me.
I decided to pull back and when I did, she turned completely around and took a couple of steps in the opposite direction ... then she took a half of a step and looked over her left shoulder. DOA, 15-feet from the shot.

The reason for not taking that shot with a bow, is, I took the brisket shot in 1978 with a 30:06, at the Kentucky State Typical record, from 12-feet and regret it to this day.

Just as 3BladeScud mentioned, the tracking job was hard to say the least, but I was persistent. The deer jumped a fence after being shot and I had no idea whose property it belonged to. While waiting on my side of the fence for almost an hour, I heard a truck come down a dead-end road, it stopped, 2-men started talking in a hushed tone, a tailgate came down and my 1978 State Record was claimed by a man and his son cruising the back roads.

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from kratch wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've taken that shot once with a bow and found the deer a hundred yards away. Will never do it again. The chances of hitting vitals at that angle are way too small. Just got caught up in the moment.

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from mwmrtn wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

What part of this shot makes it not for the Novice Hunter?? or anyone else for that matter!
What if this animal were say a Cape Buffalo,Brown bear,African lion,or hippo something that would hand you your ass to you on a silver plater? because here taking unethical/marginal shots may get you or someone hurt or killed.

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from BobGWI wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I might be tempted inside of 10 yards. But overall this shot is beyond my skill level.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

dont ever hunt from the ground with a bow so no...broadside yes, and qaurtering away at not to sharp and angle yes. other then that i hold my fire.

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from PAShooter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I once took this shot about forty years ago, at doe twenty yards from me near the end of the season. I took careful aim and when I released the doe ducked its head and the broadhead pierced the skull between the eyes. Dropped head right there. Very lucky in a bad situation. This was a no shot situation and later knowledge prevented me from attempting it again.

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from chrismerrill wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Nope dont think so!!! Well If given the perfect setup I may at less then 10.....um NO!!!!!!!!!

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from blevig54 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

depends on how close to the end of the season and if I did or did not have meat in the freezer.

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely not.

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from dudleyhow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I don't believe any of us would want to be shot, then run off to slowly die. Noway would I try a shot like that.It's a very low percentage shot.To many things could go wrong.

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from damo450 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Yes, I have a few times. Once on a cow elk. If the shot is close I don't see an issue with this. Obviously most people do but I have never lost an animal.

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from greenfishinman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Without a doubt, NO! I hunt to feed my family first and foremost, and I require clean quick kills with as little damage to meat as possible.
To me the purpose of hunting is to experience the outdoors, the adrenaline of hunting and getting to see what too many people don't ever get to (like two 5x5 elk sparring while a huge 6x6 is bugling and rounding up his harem), harvesting the animal with a quick clean ethical kill without damaging meat, processing the game, and using that animal to provide sustenance for my family and I.
This shot to me is not an ethical shot (I do not feel it is within my capabilities to cleanly and quickly kill this animal). If I were to practice as often as I know I should, I may be able to make this shot be a quick clean kill, but I would still wait for a better broadside shot.

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from mathews_wvhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Too many things can go wrong in bowhunting. I would say, hopefully, one would be at full draw and wait until he turns broadside. There are a lot of great broadheads and super punching bows out there but one has always to figure in the human error. More times than not this buck would be severely wounded and get away only to die a slow and unnecesary death. The coyotes eat well enough anyway. Just wait guys, just wait.

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely not. We learn in bowhunter education that this is a terribly poor shot, just because we've passed the test doesn't suddenly make it okay again.

I'd also give a huge AMEN to Buckhunter's comment above.

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from Ryan Hall wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely Yes!!!!! I cant stand hearing this crap about ethics! come on were hunters not Hippies. Jeez I get sick and tired of the "experts" telling me whats ethical. I wanna kill a deer and I have got a good opportunity here to smack those lungs so @#$% yes i would take the shot. There Deer not pets and I for one want to eat. Just my two Cents

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

in part i do agree with msu hunter...kinda tired of everything yelling ethical this ethical that. everyone has their own idea of whats ethical and what isnt, and just because your idea of ethics doesnt fit with someone elses, does not mean they are wrong or bad hunters.

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from Jason Hall wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It would depend on the time I had put in taking practice shoots with my bow that season. If you as a hunter are confident from the start then you will make a good shoot. If there is any doubt in your mind don't take the shoot wait for another day.

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I passed up this exact shot last night at 15 yards

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I don't think the issue is solely an ethical one. It's a bad shot because the deer is facing you, possibly alert and maybe in a position to jump the string or move enough to turn the kill shot into a miss or wounding shot. That's what makes it a bad shot. The fact that it's "unethical" is because taking a knowingly bad shot is generally frowned upon. Also, it's a little contradictory if you've correctly answered this question on a bowhunter ed test yet practice the opposite once afield.

And the attitude that being "ethical" makes you a hippie rather than a hunter is bogus. Part of being "ethical" is showing respect and concern for a sport we all enjoy to partake in that is constantly being threatened by those that think we are ALL unethical simply because we take life.

I think the difference between being a successful hunter and a skilled one on this matter is the patience, practice, and ability to wait for an animal to give you a great shot or to get into position to take such a shot rather than depending on your $$$ modern-day bow and a prayer to get the job done.

If you want to take that shot, go right ahead, and congrats if you succeed, but just because it worked out still doesn't make it a good shot.

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from shane wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Amen to all points there.

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from fishy man wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I would never take that shot! That is probably one of the worst shots ever, If you just wait a few moments the deer should move broadside which would be a much better shot!

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Hey All,
Great conversation. Sorry I couldn't join in; I just got back from a backcountry elk hunt.
After reading through the comments, I was prepared to address a few points, but MissMuley beat me to it, particularly this: It is critically important that hunters be concerned with ethics, just as it is crucial that our community have leaders who help set the standards. I worry that there is not enough of either (concern or real leadership) these days. But that's a conversation for another time.

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from hutter wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This is a very lethal shot. I have seen P.H.'s suggest this shot on Cape Buffalo. I know they have more experience than I do.A good sharp broadhead will do it every time

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

If you practice enough that's not even remotely an "unethical" shot. And I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that most of the people talking about what a lousy shot that is also should not bow hunt, because even with a broadside target they'd have a 50% chance of gut shooting their deer.

The ethics is in practice, practice, practice, to a high degree of consistency so that you can know which shots you make.

I don't bow hunt. 30 years ago when I practiced at archery a plenty I could make that shot every time out to 30 yards. No shoulder hits. None of the b.s. about how unethical it would be. Right through the heart and right lung.

As for tracking 100 yards being too much searching.... a deer can run 100 yards shot through a heart and both lungs. If you can't track 100 yards without a blood trail as obvious as a centerline on a highway, then your tracking skills stink.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

By the by, I don't bow hunt because I don't own the gear any more and don't have the time to practice with a bow and also with my firearms. I'd rather be very proficient with a rifle than mediocre with a rifle and a bow.

As for ethics. If you're shooting that deer with a bow AT ALL, you're taking a less ethical shot than any rifle hunter. If it's all about "minimizing the suffering of the animal" and your preaching ethics, you should not hunt with a bow.

There's no such thing as a perfect hit that will always drop your deer dead instantly (unless you hit it in the brain). The ethical shot is one where you have the skills to hit the critical heart lung area from whatever aspect the animal presents to you with whatever weapon you decide to use.

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from time2be wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This shot is just too risky for me to take. I have a crossbow and could hit a very small area within 30 yards however it just is not worth wonding a deer. I would only take this shot with a rifle or camera.

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from shane wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

The picture is actually inaccurate. At that angle, the shoulder bones are blocking your optimum penetration path.

Those of you that think this is a good shot just don't know deer anatomy. If the deer was straight on, you have a very small tunnel to get the arrow through.

Anyone that bowhunts knows that you have an 8" or bigger broadside area to shoot, and you need every inch of that room for error in field shooting. A 3" tunnel is not something you're guaranteed to hit every time. Hunting isn't some target range where you make precise shots with a bow every time.

Get real here.

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from ethan_3 wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

nope, past on a buck faced like this last year at 2o yards in my opening i was drew back he just never turned quite right

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from Stilly wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

If you are on the ground and at close range(15 yards or less), I have come to a conclusion based on everyone's comments. You should absolutely take the shot, because it is a deadly bow shot. Every post I read from hunters who have actually taken this shot recovered their deer very quickly, most of the time seeing them go down. I have never had an opportunity to take this shot but it sounds like a very good and ethical shot, based on that most deer went down in 30-40 yards in other posts. I will say that taking this shot from an elevated position or at longer distances sounds like a terrible and unethical shot. Accuracy is the key with this shot apparently, but if a bow hunter cannot hit a target the size of a fist under 20 yards, then he should start practicing a lot more.

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from BOShunter wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

with my 270. that deer is meet in the freezer

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from NASCARon wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I've taken that shot 3 times and each time the deer ran about 30 yards or less. When I shoot a deer quartering away or a when the deer is giving me a "perfect" side shot, and my arrow goes through both lungs it runs alot further. I'm not sure who wrote the book on what it takes to kill a deer or what is and is not ethical but when I shoot a deer in the heart it dies quickly. I hope I've given you all something new to think about. By the way, I will take this shot again.

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from woodpecker wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This deer is on full alert so I'm shooting if I have my bow drawn. He's giving me quite a good target to shoot at and there's nothing in the way.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

No, I think I would wait to see what the deer does. He could possibly turn or move himself into a better position for a clean broadside shot. If he bolts, he bolts. That's why it's called hunting.

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from Ryan Hall wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I sometimes find ethics more a question of what animal were talking about. When faced with a 100 yard running shot at a Coyote most people would gun him down "or at least try" but when faced with a whitetail they wouldn't "not saying i would, I have let many a deer walk because of a poor shot opportunity" but where is the line at? Does one animal deserve a better death than another? and I don't see a close range shot to the chest of a whitetail being unethical bows of today are highly capable of busting bone and if you have practiced "like you should" you can make this shot.

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from mfloming wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

y not wait. after all, being patient is what most of us are taught the first day we ever went in the woods with dad or grandpa or whoever...

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from jmshackelfo@aol.com wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

There is no dought that with a rifle that would be a dead deer. With my bow at 20 yrds even if I did hit the breast bone I have no dought that my bow would go through and again it would be a dead deer. So I am going to say yes at 20 yrds or less.

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Gunning down coyotes on the run at 100yards isn't any better than taking the above shot at a white-tail, a poor shot is a poor shot. (On another subject, I wonder why there are so many educated coyotes out there?) It shouldn't matter whether you're hunting whitetails, coyotes, or whatever else. Unethical behavior on one's part isn't justified by the fact that there are those out there that do the same or worse.

Yes, ethics are foggy and a line that ultimately you have to draw yourself. But if you want to base your "Do I shoot or do I pass on fill-in-the-species" ethics on what is and isn't a bad shot, this shouldn't be too hard. On that whitetail, and the described shot on a running coyote, there is a lot of room for error, e.g. it's probably a bad shot. This has pretty much all been said before, but depending on a fast bow and good broadhead to get the job done doesn't make for better hunters, it leaves wiggle-room for error and bad judgement.

Animals die grisly deaths in the woods all the time, for me passing a shot and waiting for a good one isn't only about doing my best to ensure a humane kill (which is crucial), it's also about setting an example and improving my abilities. For those that are on the fence about this situation, I hope that the thought of passing on this shot isn't seen as a missed bag but rather an opportunity to develop better hunting and woodsmanship skills. I hope that some of you who have taken this shot in the past will perhaps challenge yourselves to do differently.

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from Baileymade wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Nope. Too much risk and the deer deserves better.

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from lesley jones wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

no just not right

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

I'm not a bow hunter and never have been but no one has admitted losing a deer they shot here but many have had success from this shot angle, in fact there were a good many posts of hunters taking this shot with good results. With my rifle this is a drop dead shot. From all of the successful kills I don't know from this if this is a good shot with a bow or not. I can see that there is NO room for error. I am not condoning this shot just asking.

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from dasmith wrote 1 year 14 weeks ago

No, not with a pointed stick but,I have made this shot with a Ruger .44 Magnum rifle. One shot and it went down, dead when I got to it. I would do it again.

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from Marion Robinson IV wrote 19 weeks 6 days ago

With my bow, 25 and under. It's already in the truck. Above 25, wait.. With a crossbow out to 60.. All day

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Saw this shot taken twice while watching the Outdoor Channel this week. The first shot was at an antelope drinking from a water hole. The arrow went high and spined the animal. The antelope fell face first in the water and drowned, struggling to get up while the hunter (I will use that term loosely) was pumping his fist. Not only did this nutjob make a poor shot he failed to follow up with a kill shot while the antelope struggled in the water.

The second quarter towards shot was from an elevated stand on a whitetail. The deer was recovered the next day by a jubilant hunter. I would have been a little more subdued knowing the animal had to suffer all night prior to dying. I'm guessing it was all about the horn for this guy and little about a good clean kill.

In both cases the Outdoor Channel should be embarrassed to air such crap. I would consider neither hunt successful let alone worthy of airing. Remember, these jokers getting on TV are the face of the hunting world and should be held at a much higher standard.

I have noticed an increase in this type of shot within the TV hunting community. I am guessing the fast emerging trend Dave is going to mention is the success of the front quarter shot made more lethal with today's faster bows. Just a guess. I look forward to the conversation.

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from aferraro wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It seems like most of us wouldn't touch it. What if it was the last day of hunting season and he was 20 yards away? I'd be very tempted.

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from 3BladeScud wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I know they say that you can't kill with an arrow nocked. But there's no way I would take that shot! The chances of crippling the deer are high and the track job will be terrible. Unethical shot.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Another thing that both puzzles and concerns me. A deer's critical area is not particularly larger from a broadside aspect than it is from this front. Any broadhead hit in the heart or lung area from the front quartering aspect is just as effective as a broadhead hit in the heart lung area from a side aspect.

Which makes me wonder what sort of shots people think they're taking from the side? If you miss aft from a side aspect you just wound up with a gut shot wounded deer. And there's *less* of that paunch aspect from the front-quartering perspective, so you're less likely to gut shoot a deer from the front quarter.

IMO if your accuracy and consistency is too sketchy to make that front quartering shot with a bow, you probably shouldn't be hunting with a bow at all.

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from mwmrtn wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Thats a SUCKER SHOT ! Absolutely NO. He's got you pegged and even if you happen to be at full draw you will be forcing a shot that isn't there to begin with. Patience kills more deer than anything out there.

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from nitrojoe wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I did take this shot when I was younger(16). Hit the buck in the chest, just inside the left shoulder. The arrow passed all the way through the buck and exited through the right buttock. He only made it 30 yards, I would only do it again if the situation was the same. 5 yards away, on the ground with the deer and the deer was about to bolt.

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from bowman77 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely. Hunting from the ground, 15 yards or less. I will take this shot. I have in the past, and it's deadly. I am confident I can make that shot with as little error and as much accuracy as I could from a broadside 20-30 yard shot from the ground or tree stand. The window is there, and it is very doable. I will not do it from an elevated position however, as you will then have to break through the scapula and then you are asking for trouble.

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from beavertronic wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

As hunters, it is our responsibility that all kills are made ethically and legally. Each individual will have different opinions as to what is ethical in their book. I, for one, would not take this shot.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No. The last day and hour of the season, about to bolt, biggest buck you've ever seen, sure record - none of these are an excuse to change that answer. Just no.

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from RES1956 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Ditto Walt Smith's post, both of them.
Re. Mike Deihl's post: the liklehood of ventilating both lungs from this angle is small. the ultimate goal should be a double lung hit and a good blood trail for recovery (read that exit wound) and an exit wound's chance for occuring with this angle is far less than a braodside shot.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Why does last day of the season make it OK to cripple a deer and make it suffer? If you haven't had a clean shot by the last day, you lose. It's called hunting for a reason.

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from PAShooter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I once took this shot about forty years ago, at doe twenty yards from me near the end of the season. I took careful aim and when I released the doe ducked its head and the broadhead pierced the skull between the eyes. Dropped head right there. Very lucky in a bad situation. This was a no shot situation and later knowledge prevented me from attempting it again.

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from chrismerrill wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Nope dont think so!!! Well If given the perfect setup I may at less then 10.....um NO!!!!!!!!!

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from buckhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No and Hell no.

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from CorieSquared wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely never.

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from CorieSquared wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely never.

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from neuman23 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have only taken this shot once. It was at 10 yards, the deer maybe made it 30 yards. The blood trail was about 3 feet wide. I will not take this shot again though.

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from SifordOutdoorz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Never have and dont think I would. However just this past Saturday my brothers friend took this shot and it was a similar situation to Joes. The doe was about 5 yards away he was on the ground and he let an arrow fly it went straight through everything she did not even go ten yards before expiring.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle yes, Bow no way in hell!

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from phconk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

if you are shooting heavy arrows and a cut on contact broadhead at least 125 grains, with a bow that would shoot them at least 300 fps, then yes. anything else, no

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from cody5 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No. I would wait for a better opportunity. If not that day, then on a later date. If you don't spook the buck he'll still be around.

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from RES1956 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

To the posters who have responded that they would take a neck shot on this deer with a bow: 'Bad Idea'.

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from SD Bob wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

The only way I take this shot is if killing this deer means I eat and not killing this deer means I starve. Since I have family and friends I could count on in desperate measures, that deer walks.

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from shane wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Diehl -

"A deer's critical area is not particularly larger from a broadside aspect than it is from this front."

Are you kidding me?

Have you never looked at deer anatomy?

They have bones, believe it or not.

A broadhead has to go in and slice up the heart/lungs to kill cleanly. Good luck getting to them from that angle.

Broadside is a huge, easy target with very little bone in the way. The angle in question here gives you a little tunnel to shoot through. Basically, a clean kill with an arrow here is based on luck.

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from steve182 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

No, I only shoot at broadside animals with my bow.

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from FishnFast wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely "no" for two reasons, I'm bow hunting elevated, which makes this a very poor shot, the animal will suffer, possibly even die much later, which is wrong and unethical, period ! Your question was addressing bow hunters, why so many stated yes with gun I dont know. Second, if I were ground hunting, this shot would kill the deer, however, it will needlessly suffer because your not likely to take out both lungs, or heart for quick kill, and you might even destroy meat meat through contamination. The animals deserves to pass on this shot.

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from dtownley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

At hunters safty course 35yrs ago it was not a shot to take with a bow and I hope things have not changed

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from clharmon wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would take that shot with a camera and a rifle! But not with a bow. I taught hunter safety for ten years and I never would take that shot with a bow. To many things can go wrong. Its not worth the animal suffering, no matter the bow or the broad head.

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from 2Poppa wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've never takened that shot with a bow and will not. The opportunity presented itself the first day I went huntin' here in Kentucky. A lone doe came up to a bedding area and wasn't sure exactly what I was and walked straight towards me.
I decided to pull back and when I did, she turned completely around and took a couple of steps in the opposite direction ... then she took a half of a step and looked over her left shoulder. DOA, 15-feet from the shot.

The reason for not taking that shot with a bow, is, I took the brisket shot in 1978 with a 30:06, at the Kentucky State Typical record, from 12-feet and regret it to this day.

Just as 3BladeScud mentioned, the tracking job was hard to say the least, but I was persistent. The deer jumped a fence after being shot and I had no idea whose property it belonged to. While waiting on my side of the fence for almost an hour, I heard a truck come down a dead-end road, it stopped, 2-men started talking in a hushed tone, a tailgate came down and my 1978 State Record was claimed by a man and his son cruising the back roads.

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from BobGWI wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I might be tempted inside of 10 yards. But overall this shot is beyond my skill level.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

dont ever hunt from the ground with a bow so no...broadside yes, and qaurtering away at not to sharp and angle yes. other then that i hold my fire.

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely not. We learn in bowhunter education that this is a terribly poor shot, just because we've passed the test doesn't suddenly make it okay again.

I'd also give a huge AMEN to Buckhunter's comment above.

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from Stilly wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

If you are on the ground and at close range(15 yards or less), I have come to a conclusion based on everyone's comments. You should absolutely take the shot, because it is a deadly bow shot. Every post I read from hunters who have actually taken this shot recovered their deer very quickly, most of the time seeing them go down. I have never had an opportunity to take this shot but it sounds like a very good and ethical shot, based on that most deer went down in 30-40 yards in other posts. I will say that taking this shot from an elevated position or at longer distances sounds like a terrible and unethical shot. Accuracy is the key with this shot apparently, but if a bow hunter cannot hit a target the size of a fist under 20 yards, then he should start practicing a lot more.

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from NASCARon wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I've taken that shot 3 times and each time the deer ran about 30 yards or less. When I shoot a deer quartering away or a when the deer is giving me a "perfect" side shot, and my arrow goes through both lungs it runs alot further. I'm not sure who wrote the book on what it takes to kill a deer or what is and is not ethical but when I shoot a deer in the heart it dies quickly. I hope I've given you all something new to think about. By the way, I will take this shot again.

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from woodpecker wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This deer is on full alert so I'm shooting if I have my bow drawn. He's giving me quite a good target to shoot at and there's nothing in the way.

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from JohnR wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

No, I think I would wait to see what the deer does. He could possibly turn or move himself into a better position for a clean broadside shot. If he bolts, he bolts. That's why it's called hunting.

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from Ryan Hall wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I sometimes find ethics more a question of what animal were talking about. When faced with a 100 yard running shot at a Coyote most people would gun him down "or at least try" but when faced with a whitetail they wouldn't "not saying i would, I have let many a deer walk because of a poor shot opportunity" but where is the line at? Does one animal deserve a better death than another? and I don't see a close range shot to the chest of a whitetail being unethical bows of today are highly capable of busting bone and if you have practiced "like you should" you can make this shot.

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from jmshackelfo@aol.com wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

There is no dought that with a rifle that would be a dead deer. With my bow at 20 yrds even if I did hit the breast bone I have no dought that my bow would go through and again it would be a dead deer. So I am going to say yes at 20 yrds or less.

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from IND_NRA wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have in the past when I was younger and I was like a hair trigger. Now all the planets would need to aliagn for me to take that same shot today.

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from johntalbott wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I killed a doe positioned this way when I was in high school. I was on the ground 18 yards in front of her; she went about 3-4 steps and the brush behind her was painted red. I would not feel comfortable taking this shot now...in high school, I would shoot for 8-10 hrs a week with my buddies and could consistently hit my friends arrows out to 40 yards.

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from Walt Smith wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle shot wouldn't be in the chest either, I would put it in the center of that nice white patch of fur on the neck!

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from Jason Hart wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If it was with a rifle sure. But a bow is a different story and I would never take this shot. I could only imagine how disgusted I would be with myself if I took it and lost that deer.

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from ckRich wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Too many variables come into play on a chest shot. So my reflex answer is no.

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from jcarlin wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've taken it with a rifle. I've passed on it at ranges down to 5' with a bow. I still second guess that one.

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from Kris24 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

NO!!!

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from aferraro wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It seems like most of us wouldn't touch it. What if it was the last day of hunting season and he was 20 yards away? I'd be very tempted.

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from Big Country wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Rifle for sure is a yes. Bow I highly dought it. Maybe it the deer was only five yards but even then I'd try for a broad side.

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from tirdypointbuck wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would wait, he would probably eventually turn broadside.

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from Arlo269 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Maybe not in the chest but the neck shot...Hell Yeah if he's within 30!!

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from WesMcCormick wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I am able to make a killing shot yes! would I take it NO! like ckrich said to many variables, a little patience and he'd probably turn.

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from ejunk wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

not even for the buck of a lifetime!

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Evan!

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from makersman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

is the deer looking at you or something else? No to an alert deer and YES to one with its mind on something else.

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from jbird wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have, and I would again if the situation was "just right".

A buddy and I did a "2 man drive" a few years ago. He walked a long, narrow corridor, I sat on a bucket and posted. I was mainly hunting for meat, and when 2 does ran out 15 yds in front of me I drew my bow. Then I caught sight of antlers and pivoted a bit and was looking through my sight at a dandy 10 pointer staring at me exactly like the picture, at 23 yards. I released the arrow and he fell about 40 yards away.

Would I try to draw and make this shot at 40 yards? Heck no

But honestly, if I was at full draw and a buck gives me this shot at 25 yards or less, I'd take it.

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from huntnow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would contemplate a neck shot depending on range but I wouldn't even think about the chest.

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from Sanjuancb wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

My guess is that the trend that you have stumbled onto is an increased willingness to take "marginal" shots on deer with modern archery equipment.

I feel that my obligation as a hunter is to make the quickest, most humane kill possible. Certain shot presentations make that difficult to do. However, I am not wholly convinced that this is one of them.

When Chris Brackett was hosting the archery show "Arrow Affliction" he practiced this shot extensively. He made a point of explaining that although this shot had been long held to be unethical with archery equipment, he felt it could be an ethical shot if the placement was exact. Later, he went on to harvest a variety of game animals in this presentation.

IF (and that's a big if) you are confident in you ability to place an arrow in a spot smaller than your fist then this has the potential to be a viable shot. Certainly if the game animal had already been wounded I would take this shot. In other circumstances it may be debatable. Given a shot under 10 yards, I might just take it.

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from Ted Collins wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I live in Ohio and hunt with a crossbow. Took this shot once on a doe, she went 30 yards and when I field dressed her my arrow had went through her heart but she never blead a drop, luckey for me she stayed in a mowed path.

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from VAHunter540 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have taken this shot and I have passed on this shot. I know I am lucky to have not have crippled the deer. Its risky but like many of the others have said, in ideal circumstances it can work very well.

For clarification... never over 15yds in any situation. usually a better shot will present itself before the deer closes inside of 15yds.

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from Blue Ox wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

With a firearm- yes. Aim for the white spot on the neck.
With a bow- the deer would have to be awful close (within 10 yards) & even then i'd think it over.

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from pfettig77 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

"Now be honest. This is for posterity." That's from The Princess Bride. Awesome. I shot a deer from the ground less than 10 yards away that was posed just like this. I shot between the front shoulders and it hit the vitals on the deer's right side and she didn't go far. I think you have to consider each situation individually as there are always so many variable to take into account.

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from fliphuntr14 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i had bad results from taking this shot with a gun when I was younger, i ended up tracking the deer down with knowledge of the area and had to make another shot the bullet hit the brisket and turned towards the leg and deer can move pretty quick with a broken leg. With a bow i would have to be on the ground and awfully close.

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from curt88 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have taken this shot before, if you hit a spot called the thoracic inlet you send your arrow through a mess consisting of among other things, the jugular veins, the carotid arteries, and trachea, with the arrow continuing on to the heart and other vital structures. When i took this shot i saw the deer fall dead 30 to 40 yds away dead within moments of shooting. If you know for a fact that you can hit this spot, its an indentation about the size of a fist, its a very humane kill shot. That being said it is a small opening and you need to know without a doubt you can hit it. So in response to the question if i am on the ground and can be certain of hitting the vital spot i have no problem making the shot, however making this shot requires a substantial level of arrow placement skill and i dont like the thought of making the shot from elevation

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from weswes088 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Nope. Wait and hope he turns broadside

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from KProbst wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If we lived In a perfect world and all was lined up perfect on the last day of the season maybe I would take it but most likely not

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from Hurckles wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

too many things have to go just right, plus, no exit would, so a weak blood trail at best...with the old mossberg slugger, i wouldn't think twice, but with a bow, no way!

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from Nic Meador wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

short range, the deer is absolutely calm and a good quality fixed blade? then yes.

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from cunninghamww wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

it all depends...on the ground, close range...maybe. Any other situation, probably not.

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from RANGERMANZ20 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I have made this shot twice only on the ground and under 30 yrds, both times deer went down within sight. With a gun it's a done deal but a bow it's 50% at best.

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from huntnow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I agree with RES1956, you're not very likely to get a good blood trail with this shot in the chest. The neck might be a different story though.

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from 007 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Never with the bow, any time with a firearm.

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from huntinhuntinhuntin wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

My issue with this shot is that the arrow will get stuck in the shoulder. Also if you did manage to get through the shoulder you could tear the hell out of the grass bag.

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from rwminard wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

More than likely not - if on the ground and within 10 yards you might have an argument for it - but you are better off waiting for them to turn - you know they will.

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from paulsen33 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I wouldn't take the shot and be ready for when the deer turns broadside. The shoulder is protecting way to much of the vitals.

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from Will Brantley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Inside of 30 yards with my bow and a fixed-blade broadhead, yes.

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from RylieGipson wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would with a shotgun or muzzleloader. wid a bow I dont think so.

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from JB101 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If the deer I was looking at had a lovely detailed drawing showing me exactly where his lungs are like this one does... heck yes! ;)

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from FishnFast wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

bowmann 77 stated you could make this shot from ground or treestand, then you say you wouldnt take from elevated position ?????? Any hunter can shoot from any position, but it's not ethical because you have much less chance to guarantee a quick kill which the animal deserves.

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from DTR32 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i would do it within 20 yards

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from ctbhb1 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Took this shot with a rifle twice. Very deadly. A bow????? Depends on distance, angle, and size of deer.

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from iowaoutdoorsman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Yes I would not hesitate as long as there is no elevation. If hunting from say a tree stand your effective target diminishes. Never from an elevated position, everytime from the ground. Anyways, that specific picture the deer is staring you down, 90%+ of the time when you release that deer is going to pivot to his left and your going to double lung him. Remember that you have to shoot within your means. I could make that shot under 40yds everytime.

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from dlbowhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

i would definitly take the shot from a ground blind less than 30 yards,but no way from a tree stand.

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from ndpurint wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would have to agree with many of the posts above, certain situations, such as the last day of season, a VERY close range shot, or if you are absolutely certain that you are good enough to make a good kill shot. Personally, I am confident in my abilities but I don't think I would take the shot. As a few of the posts above stated, if you wait long enough and play your cards right..good chance he'll turn and give you an even more certain shot opportunity.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

under ideal or almost ideal conditions, i would, but only if i had a nice solid, weighty, head on my arrow. but only for the non-monster whitetail that live where i am.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

under ideal or almost ideal conditions, i would, but only if i had a nice solid, weighty, head on my arrow. but only for the non-monster whitetail that live where i am.

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from smartz wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

sorry 'bout the double message, had a snafu with the upload

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from kratch wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I've taken that shot once with a bow and found the deer a hundred yards away. Will never do it again. The chances of hitting vitals at that angle are way too small. Just got caught up in the moment.

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from mwmrtn wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

What part of this shot makes it not for the Novice Hunter?? or anyone else for that matter!
What if this animal were say a Cape Buffalo,Brown bear,African lion,or hippo something that would hand you your ass to you on a silver plater? because here taking unethical/marginal shots may get you or someone hurt or killed.

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from blevig54 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

depends on how close to the end of the season and if I did or did not have meat in the freezer.

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from chuckles wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely not.

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from dudleyhow wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I don't believe any of us would want to be shot, then run off to slowly die. Noway would I try a shot like that.It's a very low percentage shot.To many things could go wrong.

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from damo450 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Yes, I have a few times. Once on a cow elk. If the shot is close I don't see an issue with this. Obviously most people do but I have never lost an animal.

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from greenfishinman wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Without a doubt, NO! I hunt to feed my family first and foremost, and I require clean quick kills with as little damage to meat as possible.
To me the purpose of hunting is to experience the outdoors, the adrenaline of hunting and getting to see what too many people don't ever get to (like two 5x5 elk sparring while a huge 6x6 is bugling and rounding up his harem), harvesting the animal with a quick clean ethical kill without damaging meat, processing the game, and using that animal to provide sustenance for my family and I.
This shot to me is not an ethical shot (I do not feel it is within my capabilities to cleanly and quickly kill this animal). If I were to practice as often as I know I should, I may be able to make this shot be a quick clean kill, but I would still wait for a better broadside shot.

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from mathews_wvhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Too many things can go wrong in bowhunting. I would say, hopefully, one would be at full draw and wait until he turns broadside. There are a lot of great broadheads and super punching bows out there but one has always to figure in the human error. More times than not this buck would be severely wounded and get away only to die a slow and unnecesary death. The coyotes eat well enough anyway. Just wait guys, just wait.

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from scratchgolf72 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

in part i do agree with msu hunter...kinda tired of everything yelling ethical this ethical that. everyone has their own idea of whats ethical and what isnt, and just because your idea of ethics doesnt fit with someone elses, does not mean they are wrong or bad hunters.

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from Jason Hall wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

It would depend on the time I had put in taking practice shoots with my bow that season. If you as a hunter are confident from the start then you will make a good shoot. If there is any doubt in your mind don't take the shoot wait for another day.

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from Nebraskahunter18 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I passed up this exact shot last night at 15 yards

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I don't think the issue is solely an ethical one. It's a bad shot because the deer is facing you, possibly alert and maybe in a position to jump the string or move enough to turn the kill shot into a miss or wounding shot. That's what makes it a bad shot. The fact that it's "unethical" is because taking a knowingly bad shot is generally frowned upon. Also, it's a little contradictory if you've correctly answered this question on a bowhunter ed test yet practice the opposite once afield.

And the attitude that being "ethical" makes you a hippie rather than a hunter is bogus. Part of being "ethical" is showing respect and concern for a sport we all enjoy to partake in that is constantly being threatened by those that think we are ALL unethical simply because we take life.

I think the difference between being a successful hunter and a skilled one on this matter is the patience, practice, and ability to wait for an animal to give you a great shot or to get into position to take such a shot rather than depending on your $$$ modern-day bow and a prayer to get the job done.

If you want to take that shot, go right ahead, and congrats if you succeed, but just because it worked out still doesn't make it a good shot.

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from shane wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Amen to all points there.

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from fishy man wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

I would never take that shot! That is probably one of the worst shots ever, If you just wait a few moments the deer should move broadside which would be a much better shot!

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from Dave Hurteau wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Hey All,
Great conversation. Sorry I couldn't join in; I just got back from a backcountry elk hunt.
After reading through the comments, I was prepared to address a few points, but MissMuley beat me to it, particularly this: It is critically important that hunters be concerned with ethics, just as it is crucial that our community have leaders who help set the standards. I worry that there is not enough of either (concern or real leadership) these days. But that's a conversation for another time.

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from hutter wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This is a very lethal shot. I have seen P.H.'s suggest this shot on Cape Buffalo. I know they have more experience than I do.A good sharp broadhead will do it every time

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

If you practice enough that's not even remotely an "unethical" shot. And I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that most of the people talking about what a lousy shot that is also should not bow hunt, because even with a broadside target they'd have a 50% chance of gut shooting their deer.

The ethics is in practice, practice, practice, to a high degree of consistency so that you can know which shots you make.

I don't bow hunt. 30 years ago when I practiced at archery a plenty I could make that shot every time out to 30 yards. No shoulder hits. None of the b.s. about how unethical it would be. Right through the heart and right lung.

As for tracking 100 yards being too much searching.... a deer can run 100 yards shot through a heart and both lungs. If you can't track 100 yards without a blood trail as obvious as a centerline on a highway, then your tracking skills stink.

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from time2be wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

This shot is just too risky for me to take. I have a crossbow and could hit a very small area within 30 yards however it just is not worth wonding a deer. I would only take this shot with a rifle or camera.

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from shane wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

The picture is actually inaccurate. At that angle, the shoulder bones are blocking your optimum penetration path.

Those of you that think this is a good shot just don't know deer anatomy. If the deer was straight on, you have a very small tunnel to get the arrow through.

Anyone that bowhunts knows that you have an 8" or bigger broadside area to shoot, and you need every inch of that room for error in field shooting. A 3" tunnel is not something you're guaranteed to hit every time. Hunting isn't some target range where you make precise shots with a bow every time.

Get real here.

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from ethan_3 wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

nope, past on a buck faced like this last year at 2o yards in my opening i was drew back he just never turned quite right

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from BOShunter wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

with my 270. that deer is meet in the freezer

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from mfloming wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

y not wait. after all, being patient is what most of us are taught the first day we ever went in the woods with dad or grandpa or whoever...

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from MissMuley wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Gunning down coyotes on the run at 100yards isn't any better than taking the above shot at a white-tail, a poor shot is a poor shot. (On another subject, I wonder why there are so many educated coyotes out there?) It shouldn't matter whether you're hunting whitetails, coyotes, or whatever else. Unethical behavior on one's part isn't justified by the fact that there are those out there that do the same or worse.

Yes, ethics are foggy and a line that ultimately you have to draw yourself. But if you want to base your "Do I shoot or do I pass on fill-in-the-species" ethics on what is and isn't a bad shot, this shouldn't be too hard. On that whitetail, and the described shot on a running coyote, there is a lot of room for error, e.g. it's probably a bad shot. This has pretty much all been said before, but depending on a fast bow and good broadhead to get the job done doesn't make for better hunters, it leaves wiggle-room for error and bad judgement.

Animals die grisly deaths in the woods all the time, for me passing a shot and waiting for a good one isn't only about doing my best to ensure a humane kill (which is crucial), it's also about setting an example and improving my abilities. For those that are on the fence about this situation, I hope that the thought of passing on this shot isn't seen as a missed bag but rather an opportunity to develop better hunting and woodsmanship skills. I hope that some of you who have taken this shot in the past will perhaps challenge yourselves to do differently.

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from Baileymade wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

Nope. Too much risk and the deer deserves better.

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from lesley jones wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

no just not right

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from Sarge01 wrote 2 years 26 weeks ago

I'm not a bow hunter and never have been but no one has admitted losing a deer they shot here but many have had success from this shot angle, in fact there were a good many posts of hunters taking this shot with good results. With my rifle this is a drop dead shot. From all of the successful kills I don't know from this if this is a good shot with a bow or not. I can see that there is NO room for error. I am not condoning this shot just asking.

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from dasmith wrote 1 year 14 weeks ago

No, not with a pointed stick but,I have made this shot with a Ruger .44 Magnum rifle. One shot and it went down, dead when I got to it. I would do it again.

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from Marion Robinson IV wrote 19 weeks 6 days ago

With my bow, 25 and under. It's already in the truck. Above 25, wait.. With a crossbow out to 60.. All day

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

If I were a bowhunter and could reliably group 4" at 30 yards I'd take that shot every time at 30 yards or fewer. As a rifle hunter this would be a drop dead easy shot.

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from ebrn1ar wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I shoot Grim Reapers....why not take that shot!

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from Robert Woody Woods wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

On the last day of the season yes.

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from Mike Diehl wrote 2 years 29 weeks ago

By the by, I don't bow hunt because I don't own the gear any more and don't have the time to practice with a bow and also with my firearms. I'd rather be very proficient with a rifle than mediocre with a rifle and a bow.

As for ethics. If you're shooting that deer with a bow AT ALL, you're taking a less ethical shot than any rifle hunter. If it's all about "minimizing the suffering of the animal" and your preaching ethics, you should not hunt with a bow.

There's no such thing as a perfect hit that will always drop your deer dead instantly (unless you hit it in the brain). The ethical shot is one where you have the skills to hit the critical heart lung area from whatever aspect the animal presents to you with whatever weapon you decide to use.

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from 2turkeysIn1 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

YES right in the white of its throat. Watch the blood squirt out like no tomorrow.

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from Hunter55 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I would take the shot. As fast as bows are now, with the correct broadhead, and proper shot placement that deer might as well put your tag on for you!

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from Ryan Hall wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

Absolutely Yes!!!!! I cant stand hearing this crap about ethics! come on were hunters not Hippies. Jeez I get sick and tired of the "experts" telling me whats ethical. I wanna kill a deer and I have got a good opportunity here to smack those lungs so @#$% yes i would take the shot. There Deer not pets and I for one want to eat. Just my two Cents

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from ny bearhunter wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

YES, YES AND YES AGAIN, I HAVE TAKEN THIS SHOT AT LEAST A HALF DOZEN TIMES AND RECOVERED EACH KILL, ITS NOT A SHOT FOR THE NOVICE HUNTER.

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