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F&S Picks the 25 Best AR-Style Rifles

F&S Picks the 25 Best AR-Style Rifles

An Intro to the AR-Style Rifle

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I DON'T GIVE A HOOT IN HELL ABOUT READING ABOUT ASSAULT RIFLES USED FOR HUNTING. GEEZ LOUISE!! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS MAGAZINE??!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONTHLY FIELD TEST OF 4X4 VEHICLES...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WRITERS LIKE GENE HILL THAT COULD WRITE AN ARTICLE AND MAKE A LUMP APPEAR IN YOUR THROAT...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ARTICLES ABOUT THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF DEER CAMP. GET OFF THIS ASSAULT RIFLE GARBAGE AND WRITE ABOUT GUNS EVERY SPORTSMAN OUGHT TO HAVE IN HIS CLOSET!!!!!!

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from blue ridge wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't care what the rifle looks like, it's still a SEMI AUTOMATIC. The anti's will love seeing the previous post.
My 10/22 is a SEMI AUTO, want to ban it??

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from KenD wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Sorry CFG,
I like hearing about the use of these weapons for hunting. Besides that, since when did a semi-auto rifle become an assault rifle? Just because these rifles look like assault rifles don't make them assault rifles. Thats like calling my 10/22 an assault weapon just because its semi auto and can hold a thirty round clip.
I will give you this. I think it is over kill to have more than five rounds in a magazine for big game hunting. The only time I can see more than that is when plinking, coyote hunting, and shooting ground hogs.
I also see why F&S would support this type of weapon for hunting. It has to do with our right to bear arms being threatened in our government. We as hunters and the rest of society that support the second amendment must stick together with this because if they take away our semi auto rifles now, what is next? They have already talked about taking away bullets that are considered cop killing bullets. I assume those are bullets that would penetrate a bullet proof vest. That in itself would probably eliminate anything 30-06 and bigger. We can't afford to give our government an inch by taking these guns away. If it means promoting these guns for hunting to save our second amendment right, then so be it. Lets use them. And show the public that wants to ban these weapons that we can use these weapons safely and respectfully and lawfully.

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from DiverDog wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG, If you dont like it don't read it. Come on Betty Bitc*er you probably complain about whats on tv too. I think it was an informative article and just brings us guys that like the rifles up to speed on whats out there. I do wish they wrote more about trucks, atvs, and such but there is nothing wrong with this AR article. Keep up the good work F&S.

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from big-triple-d wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Hey, CFG just because they are not your cup of tea, doesn't mean that they are not some else bread and butter. I love mine for popping coyotes and tin cans. I don't really think that in the current political climate we should be throwing any stones at each other. United we stand divided we fall.

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I love my Stag AR semi-auto, my bolt actions, levers, pump action, break-down singles and doubles, revolvers pistols, black powders. Just because you don't care for a particular rifle style CFG, doesn't mean there aren't others who do. And, we want to read about them.

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from oxnardbob wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG may very well be an "Anti". Doesn't seem too tolerant of other people's tastes. Want's to tell others how they should live, Etc.

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from dave howard wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Remember when a bolt-action .22 and .30-06 where all the more flavors you needed in your rifle collection? And remember when all of the hunters who grew up putting food on the table became part of the greatest generation and used the venerable .30-06 and all their shooting and hunting experiences to win two world wars? The exploits of H. W. McBride and others like him will be lessons to learn from for years. Regardless of opinion of the rifle, right now the AR-15 in 5.56 is the weapon of choice for our military in war, and unfortunately, too many of them have never used the thing until they arrive at basic training and then only once every year at a qualification range. Recently, the Marine Corps, (I don't know if CFG has heard of this "little rifle club", but many recognize them as among the best in their trade), hired big game hunters to teach Marines how to stalk their prey in the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan. Is the AR-15 relevant to a magazine such as F&S? I'd say not relevant enough! Riflecraft, whether it is for plinking, big game, small game, or whatever, is the way of the modern warrior, so let's ignore Mr. Cooper's "hoplophobiacs" and enjoy the tool, (by learning and exploring its potential), that technology has given us. By the way CFG, "assault" is a behavior, not an inanimate object, and the writers at F&S still do a pretty good job at stirring the emotions of this outdoorsman, especially the backpage work done by Mr. Heavey.

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from hellgie1 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I like F&S and I like my old Colt AR for plinking, but this article to me has the same relevance as a review of the top 25 custom samurai swords. They look real neat, people (some people, anyhow) collect them, and I suppose you could use one for dispatching a tuna or quartering an elk, but really, is that why you read F&S. I think it's easy to look at the list and see which of these rifles has the sportsman in mind and i think a much shorter list would have been more appropriate. Plenty of magazines specialize in these types of reviews, but you don't see Guns and Ammo running a spread on the Rapala vs Yozuri debate. No need for F&S to steal their market share.

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from fargo2222 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't mind this type of rifle, its not an assault weapon, but it sends the wrong message to non-sportsmen. You might say it gives them more ammo against us.
Also I get tired of all the arguements in favor of true assault weapons, that "its just a semi-automatic". We have to keep in mind that it is very easy to convert those semi's to fully automatic weapons. It's become a real problem. Just ask Law Enforcement officals.
The big question tho is, why do they have more guns per capita in Canada but no where near the murder rate that we have in the good ol' U.S.A.?

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from IndyShooter wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Fargo:

You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, if you think it is easy to convert an AR-15 to fire fully automatic. The precise process of timing even the simplest legal conversion is a difficult procedure. That is assuming you have access to a machine shop, and the technical drawings of a RLL or RDIAS. If you think some schmuck with a file is going to make an M-16 in his basement, you are sorely mistaken.

Canada has less crime because they don't house many of the poverty stricken communities that are stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of crime and fatherless children.

You also speak out of both sides of your mouth. I am a sportsman, and I hunt with bolt action rifles. However, I recognize that gun banners will not be content with banning scary looking guns.

When ARs, FALs, and M1As are banned, the scoped and high powered 'sniper rifles' will be on the chopping block next.

We must all stand together and put a stop to the nonsense that anti-gunners are throwing at us. Too often gun banners are our own worst enemies. We need to understand that 2nd amendment rights don't have a thing to do with hunting, but are our most crucial defense against tyranny.

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from DeerTracker wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

hey cfg i got a couple ar15 type eapons over here at my place....how about you come and try to take them away for me??

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from -Bob wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

It's all kind of a moot point here in Pennsylvania. We aren't permitted to hunt with semiauto rifles (or handguns) of any type, in any season.

However -- that's no reason for me not to want to own one (or read about them). Enough with the bickering already. Don't make me stop this car...

For those of you fortunate enough to reside in a state without such a restriction, I would imagine that an AR-configured rifle chambered in .308 would make a damned fine sporting arm. No?

As for us here in the Keystone state -- well, we've spent many a night around the fire wondering what it would be like to have an M1 up in the tree with us on Opening Day...

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Do we have to go through the whole Jim Zumbo ordeal again? If you don't like the looks of a firearm, there's a simple solution. Don't buy one. Let's please remember that the '03 Springfield, the Mauser, and the Enfield were all battle rifles. If we ban "assualt" weapons and mean by that military weapons, that doesn't leave a lot. Remington's version of John Browning's autoloading A-5 served in the trenches of World War II, and punp action shotguns were used in Vietnam, so those would have to go too. If you don't think a 12 gauge or a .30-06 is an assault weapon, try getting on the wrong side of one. I'd take a 5.56 round any day as opposed to one of the previous two. And as for what the antis think of us, get this loud and clear, "WHO FREAKIN'CARES!" They hate us, they hate what we do, they hate what we stand for, and if that ever changes, we're doing something wrong. I'm not apoligizing for my rights, and I don't have to make an AR look like a lever-action any more than a Jew should have to look like a Christian or vice-versa. What other constitutional right requires a background check?

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I enjoy my AR, and have had lots of fun on the work bench customizing it. My buddy's also own several different variants, as well as a few different AK makes and models. I do think this is more of a Guns and Ammo article, than Field and Stream, though there are several AR variants that work well as hunting weapons, especially the varmint models, which have relevance for this site....If a person doesn't like an article, it is easier for that individual to just not read it, than to remove it, and deprive those who may enjoy it.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

If you don't like AR's that is your opinion. They are perfectly legitimate sporting arms for many reasons. But, the article says,"But the hunter who automatically dismisses AR-style rifles as legitimate sporting guns would be doing himself a major disservice. Why? Because the AR is one of the most capable, adaptable, and appealing firearm platforms on the market today." So you are losing out not us. Don't bash the gun that lots of us like, and if you don't like an article then don't read it. You have a choice to read it or not. If you want more of something right the editors to come complaining here and annoying us.

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from Ne boy wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I dont have any AR-15 style rifles,but i do have a stanless steel Rugar Mini 14 in .223 that does wonders on coyotes. And it does have a 20 round clip. But that doesnt make it an assult rifle. I like these kind of articles on field & stream we need to see all diferent types of hunting.

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from cliff68 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Hey CFG, if you knocked every action type that was an assault rifle you wouldn't have anything left to hunt with. They almost all started out as weapons of war. I too used to not think much of the AR15, but bought one a couple of years ago and now own two. Just run a couple of magazines through one and see if you can wipe the silly grin off your face. That's what they are all about for us civilians, they are just plain fun.

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from kiltedhunter wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Personally I don't see what the all the fuss is about. Sounds like the people that have problems with a "black" rifle or "assault" rifle should take a look at American history and see how many deer, elk and antelope were killed in this country after WWI and WWII with M1s, '03 Springfields, M1 Carbines, and Winchester 98s. All of these weapons were used fauthfully by our armed forces but I have never heard anyone griping about them. Too many people want to be "anti" black gun just because of cosmetics. Why? because it doesnt have a fine walnut stock and look like an heirloom. Give me a break!! These things work great and you can abuse the HE*L out of them and they still run. Good enough to defend the country, outta be good enough for me to blast coyoytes and groundhogs.

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Wow - got a lot of dialogue started...Deertracker's post 8 entries above is typical of the defensive attitude some gun owners display that gives us all a bad name...looking to pick a fight. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion-me included...Zumbo was right !

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG- you may not give a hoot in hell about black rifle for hunting but look at the sales statstics. Even before people lost their minds and started hoarding stuff after the election AR's were screaming out the doors of every production facility where they were made. It the fastest selling and hottest rifle out there. So there are a whole hell of alot of people out there who do want to read about them. And yes Zumbo was right when he appologized for dogging the use of AR's for hunting. And its not much of a dialogue when you start it off by saying since you aren't interested in them that F&S shouldn't write about them. That defensive attitude is why we still have gun rights today.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG7613, everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, just as everyone, even an experienced gun writer who should know better, is entitled to be wrong. I apologize for the typographical errors earlier, but I was too busy foaming at the mouth. It must have been a case of the dreaded leaping fantods. What is your definition of an assault rifle? This term was first applied to civilian firearms by those seeking an incremental ban of all firearms ownership, so even using the term is going to provoke a strong response from gun owners who have had just about enough, thank you very much, of regulation. Any truly modern assault rifle as the term is properly used is capable of selective, i.e., full-auto file, and nobody is advocating hunting with those. What's your definition of an appropriate hunting firearm, and are you prepared to defend your position if someone who hunts only with a muzzleloader, or a flintlock, or a bow, or a spear, feels that your choice is not "sporting" enough?

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Full-auto fire, dang it, fumble fingers.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't own an AR, but I thought it was a good article, and very informative. What a job to be able to test those rifles out and write about it! I would have bought one of the .308 model AR's if I could've afforded it, but when I was "assault weapon" shopping, the AK had the best price for 7.62 firepower.
Remember, every group has it's idiots. Hunters as a group are not immune to this. It's the idiots who give hunters a bad rap, not what tool you hunt with.

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from Mike Mancuso wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

The vendors selling black rifles at local gun shows are doing a good business. A good example was the last show at the Cow Palace near San Francisco. California's liberal politicians are trying to close up shows at public venues like the Cow Palace and county fairgrounds. The last show was jammin' in spite of ticket prices being raised.

My favorite shooter growing up in rural Kern County in the 50's was my uncle's .22 bolt action. Today, the top rifle in my safe is a Weatherby Vanguard with the nice wood in .243 Winchester. It has served me well.

If I lived anywhere near the Mojave Desert today, I would have one of those black rifles, too. No matter what my neighbor's thought.

Keep up the good work. There were several black rifles on your list that I liked. Hmmmmm.

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from Pops wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG7613 Shame on you or maybe you're just dumb. I can take my Bushmaster Prediator, no wind and knock a hair off a knat's ass at 300 yards. I shoot cayote's & fox in the ear so as not to mess up the pelt.

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from beanap wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

oh shut up cfg its people like you whom i want to pop with my black rifle

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from hhohn wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I agree with cfg. However, my pre-teen boys like to see rifles that look like assault weapons.

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from COhunting wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Jbird,

I agree with you that every group has its share of idiots that give it a bad name. I was not a fan of owning military/assault style weapons, especially for hunting. I'm still not convinced about their hunting uses, but am now seeing that like any other firearm in qualified and ethical hands, they have a big niche. I shoot often on public lands, and have unfortunately witnessed a lot of unsafe, unethical and just plain stupid actions of people with regular pistols rifles or shotguns. I will still debate with anyone the practice of shooting big game with black rifles- but acknowledge that it is a personal preference of mine rather than being about right and wrong. For me, a bolt action rifle is more than enough advantage while hunting. On another hand, popping cans with one of those things might be kind of a blast!

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from Lesta.223 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

A little disapointed not to see the Colt Accurized Rifle on the list. Probably top 5 for most accurate AR's out there.

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from dannyjs25 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

There's nothing wrong with using an AR for hunting, so long as you use the right caliber. ARs are generally easier to clean and adapt for personal uses. Also, you can feel good about beating them up, cos they're pretty tough.

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from Onlymeself wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'll admit I was "afraid" of the "evil black guns" too. We shoot every weekend. It's a great family sport (when done safely), it keeps me connected to my boys, and prepares them for the hunt this fall. We are always adding weapons to our collection. But like I said I was against the "evil black guns".
Then my son brings his new Stag AR out to shooters alley one day. He talked me into shooting it. It was love at first shot! The main thing I like about it... It doesn't beat me up. I have 2 herniated disc in my neck, I can't handle big rifles because they hurt me, I am on the couch for a few days after shooting the hunting rifles we have (7mm's and a 264). They are fine rifles but I can't shoot them.
I had to have one, and for mother's day I was given a DPMS Panther. I love it! It's well made and has minimal recoil. I can shoot all day and feel great afterward. It's accurate, reliable, lightweight and doesn't beat me up. What more can I ask for?
Now let's talk about what an "assualt" weapon is...
An assualt weapon is a weapon which is use to assualt someone or something. Well, 22's kill more people annually than any other caliber. (Look up the stats) So if we are going to ban "assualt" weapons the 22 has to be the first to go. The next to go would have to be the handguns (revolver or semi auto, any caliber). Watch the reality shows, they are used in hold up a lot more than any rifle, whether is bolt action or semi auto. Knives of any sort. How many people are stabbed and killed each year. Yes, you can use them for cutting up your steak, but you might also use them to cut up your neighbor. So, no more knives ban them too. We'll just have to pick our steaks up and eat them cave man style. Baseball bats, there's an assualt weapon for ya. I've seen numberous video's of stores being held up with them. Ban all baseball bats.
Let's face it people, if we want to hurt one another we're going too. I broke a guys arm before with a large wrench. (He was trying to break into my house, thru a window by the door and that's what I had handy)
And the spree killers that have used AR style guns, face it people the gun didn't make them do it. Had the AR never been made they would have used another weapon. (as of yet, my panther has not spoken to me if it does I'll call Ripleys)
As the saying goes... "Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
There's my opinion, take it and five bucks and buy yourself one of those fancy coffees.
(climbs down off soap box)

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

hey guess what? no ther rifle has as many options is as easily customizable and accurate. i have a m4 version and 3 different upper receivers to match the situation whether its coyotes @ 600 yards or deer at 30 yards. plus i just saw how i can turn it into a crossbow. the only difference between my dads rem 7400 and my m4 is that i have a cool quotient of abotu 3000.

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

p.s. im active duty U.S.M.C and that "evil Black Gun" has saved not only mine, but many, many other hind ends.

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from Cheap Shot wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'm an avid hunter and rifleman and LOVE the AR-15 for competition and varmints! And whether you like it or not, so long as we're still allowed to have guns, it's here to stay! I think it's awesome the variety of configurations and calibers that are and are increasingly becoming available for this platform - greater than any other rifle in history!

And don't even get me started talking about civilian gun training, the DCM, etc!

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from lineflyer9 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Remember where these labels came from:
Saturday Night Special (Robbers rob on any night not just Saturday night)
Assault Rifle (the killer behind the gun is committing the assault not the gun)
Cop Killer Bullets (bullets are not cop killers but the killer behind the gun is)
Common Sense Gun Control (this phrase comes from anti-gun people with NO COMMON SENSE)
States that allow concealed carry have a lower crime rate. I am a Gun Nut & proud of it. (I love guns but I have no desire to kill people. I love to shoot and hunt. I have a concealed carry permit and have had them in 3 different states where I have lived. I ALWAYS CARRY. I will only shoot people in self-defense or to protect lives of others.)
These labels came from the anti-gun people coining a phrase that people will remember. Like the phrase Road Rage. Bull, Road Rage people should be charged with attempted murder and not excused because of the term Road Rage.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I have my concealed carry permit as well. I worked in the criminal justice system for 9 years, and it kind of goes with the territory. I feel the heavy responsibility of carrying a deadly instrument, and I pray to God that I will never have to use it. Before I ever began carrying a firearm, I made the sobering decision that I could live with taking a life more easily than I could live with a loved one, a friend, or a stranger losing his or her life because I was unarmed and incapable of doing anything to stop it.

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from JAReynolds19802003 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

What was it Whelan said? "Only Accurate rifles are interesting" That being the case CFG, I would say on average an AR is much more interesting than anything you have. Have you ever shot an AR? If you have not how can you say anything about it? My wife did that once. She said she did not like deer meat, but she had never tried it. Guess what she eats two to three times a month now? Deer meat. Why? She used an open mind and tried it. So why not have an open mind and try an AR. Bet you can not find a single solid reason for not using one to hunt with. Maybe you can use the "It is not as traditional as a bolt gun or whatever else you use." But that is not a solid reason. Keep an open mind and don't let the platform divide gun owners.

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from jeffo52284 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I dont own a rifle like these but i know that in the area i live in there are fewer hunters every year because kids would rather sit in a house and get fat playing video games than go out and enjoy the great outdoors that are so close. if using a gun that looks like the one in a video game will get young kids excited about hunting im all for it. in my opinion any gun can call kill someone no matter how it looks or how it is modified it comes down to teaching responsibility and safety with any firearm.

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from Onlymeself wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

well said jeff!
That's why I take my kids shooting. They're outside being active, they're learning proper gun safety, and if they are out shooting with me then I don't have to worry about who's trying to get them screwed up on drugs.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

A few words;

First the top comment created a lot of drama here, well that's normal. The first AR created a drama in the military when it came out 60 years ago. Its ok it lived and is a great rifle.

Secondly I hated the rifles that we had in basic, I think they issed worn out POS but the new M-4s are the $$IT! I love them you can get in and out of you HMVEE a lot easier, they are lighter and more pointable than any rifle that I have ever seen.

Thirdly I have shot everything from an AK, AR, SKS, 10-22, and several civilian ARs they are great guns! I currently have an AR-10 and love it for anything I would shoot with my bolt gun. It will lay em down and group like a bolt!

Fourthly and this should have been first is that this is the best written review that I have read about the AR it is very informative.

Guys that critisize this gun don't KNOW this gun. It's potential is unlimited, just because a few @$$Holes use it to shoot up a school or whatever does NOT make it a bad rifle. It SAVED a lot of people during Katrina, it continues to save lives in Iraq and Afganistan, and it IS THE PEOPLE'S rifle!

Gentlemen I've just made it back from round two in Iraq and this current configuration rocks!

CB

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from CPT BRAD wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

My only critisism is that they didn't put in the Kel Tec PLR 16 I would like to see something on it.

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from bscoones wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think that seeing this gun that is similar to one we would see carried by a soilder brings a negative connotation with it for the majority of people gun owners or not, sportsmen or not. If these guns are what you really hunt with then fine, but I don't think anyone should be surprised when people are turned off or even feel nervous or threated around it. Personally I don't find a need for a gun like this. I will stick to the 12 gauge and bolt riffle, that is my comfort zone. No need to be critical of each opinion either way.

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from maverick340 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

My hat's off to CPT BRAD! If you criticize the guns, you've never shot them. Too many people are afriad of a "negative connotation" to try shooting a new gun.

I run the gun dept for a local sporting goods dept. and I've heard a lot of stories over the gun counter. My favorite is the one I heard when an eldery gentleman approached the counter, propped his cane up, and asked to see the old M1 we had in the case. He related to me about how his unit, after helping liberate a Pacific island, had used M1's to hunt wild cattle in the mountains. He said it was one of the best brush guns he'd ever used. The M1 was one of the original assault rifles, so these guys weren't to be hunting with them? Having shot several AR's, I can see how they would be terrific to hunt with. If PA would ever lift their "ban" on semi's for hunting, I would have my SKS out there in the woods with me. It's accurate, and carries plenty knock-down to take care of a deer. A good deer rifle is a good deer rifle. Period.

I'm honestly tired, too, about hearing what should be in every hunter's closet. I have years of back issues of F&S, OL, Guns & Ammo, etc. Every "must-have" list of deer rifles contains the same guns. They're all real quick to list the Model 70, the 700, the 94, the 336, but that's about it. I'm not ripping on those guns or the writers, it's just that I like articles like this that dare to look outside "the hunter's closet."

If we're going to survive the anti-onslaught, we need to be a lot more open-minded. They won't pick and choose which guns they try to take, so we need to respect them all.

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I wish I had a chance to shoot an AR or AK. They are both nice guns.

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from nkirby05 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

These guns look great and I am sure they shoot like a dream. I guess on one hand you could think of using them along the lines of: If they are the quickest and most efficient way to harvest an animal, then why not? I for one just could not imagine sitting on the back of my pickup, sipping a cup of coffee with any one of the ARs pictured.

Call me a purist, but I could never see myself stalking through the woods on the trail of a deer with an AR, but to each his own. I guess if that is what it takes for some to be drawn into the sport, interested in firearms, successful hunters, or all of the above, then why not.

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 46 weeks ago

You should consider, fargo, that the US population is nearly 10 times that of Canada. You don't have much of an argument if you ask me.

I am a law enforcement officer, and I don't care what kind of gun they have - they are all guns. It doesn't matter how easy/hard they are to convert to fully automatic - if it can be done, someone will figure it out no matter.

I personally like the AR style rifles for both a hunting and LE tool. They are very compact and maneuverable which allows them to be used quite well in both environments.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 46 weeks ago

i have had ar 15's for years and i love them.
while they are not my cup of tea as a deer gun . they are a great wood chuck and coyote gun . and i think any one who wants to use one as a deer gun is more than welcome to . in new york we cant use more than a five round mag for deer . so other than looks how is it any different than an old Remington 742 woods master. to those that want to say they dont belong in the deer woods fine, thats your opinion and you have a right to it. but do us all a favor and keep it to your self . because telling some one what gun to hunt with is a lot like telling them what color they better paint their house. and just as much your business NONE !!!!

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from sarge712 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

fargo2222 stated,
"Also I get tired of all the arguements in favor of true assault weapons, that 'its just a semi-automatic'. We have to keep in mind that it is very easy to convert those semi's to fully automatic weapons. It's become a real problem. Just ask Law Enforcement officals."

Don't wave the law enforcement card when trying to justify restricting semi-automatic weapons. I own AK clones, M1-A's, AR's, Mini-14's, SKS's, M1 Garands, etc. BTW I'm an 18 year law enforcement veteran with all but two of those years on patrol and SWAT, a federal officer with the Bureau of Indian Affairs at that, and am not threatened a bit by the EBR ("evil black rifle"). Everyone ought to own one. In fact I wish all non-felon citizens were able to carry concealed or open carry anywhere, anytime minus correctional facilities and courts of course.

Contrary to government claims, 90% of LEO's are pro-gun. The other 10% who aren't are suck-ups who usually end up as chief of police some unfortunate place. The cops you see standing grimly behind some politician as he proposes ant-gun legislation were usually ordered to do so by their sell-out chiefs.

I am also a trained SWAT sniper and could do more damage with my bolt action Remington 700P ("just" a hunting rifle right?) than with my AR. Don't think the anti's don't know this and want hunting rifles banned as much as any semi-auto rifle.

Zumbo was wrong and only made nice when outcry forced him to do so. He and his chowderhead ilk will have only themselves to thank if ALL guns, hunting and otherwise, are gathered up ala Australia.

United we stand...

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from sarge712 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

...besides WHEN the zombies come, you'll wish you haaaaaad one ! ! !

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from alfadawg wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Never forget how badly Zumbo hurt & seperated our gun community. Forever be aware of the, "Zumbo mentality". Let us be tolarant of of choices & above all not opeanly critical of personal choices. We all might note, how after his fall from grace, Zumbo & a few of his writer buddies are attempting to sneak him back into their midst. Zumbo was opeanly critical of these rifle formats. His was not an opean. We must be united

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from alfadawg wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

sorry....that should read..."his was not an opinion, it was a criticism."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Looks like CFG7613 has been voted off the Island!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Let’s get it straight here; The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, “SELECTIVE”-fire that’s right “SELECTIVE”-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." Selective
The fact of the matter is, there is now difference in function between the Model 750™ Woodsmaster™ and the AR15!

So get it straight!

I spent 15 years shoulder to shoulder with the Nations best shooting High Power Competition and did so with a M1 Garand, M14 and M1A while they shot bolt guns topped with extraterrestrial telescopes and boy did I give them hell on the 1000 yard line with open sights I did!

Bottom line

If you’re going to come to me with the intent of trashing A15’s etc you better get your facts straight!

It’s all a matter of taste like in the vehicles you drive!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
-Col. Jeff Cooper, from The Art of the Rifle

“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defence. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; . . . the weak will become prey.”
-Thomas Paine (1737-1809), in "Thoughts on Defensive War", in The Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
-George Orwell

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Correction!

The fact of the matter is there is no difference in function between the Model 750™ Woodsmaster™ and the AR15!

Ok so I Moosed up sue me you Freedom Freeloader!

What a wonderful day it is :)

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

The DPMS website has a ton of rifles. I think I'm going to look into the Panther Bull 24 or the Panther Bull 24 Special. They are all pretty sweet!!!

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from MADGator wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I don't give a rat's behind for reading about these new-fangled boomsticks used for hunting. What in the name of Zeuss has happened to this magazine?!? What happened to articles about how to find a good, dry cave to live in; the hardships of stalking a wooly mammoth; or tips on HOW TO AVOID POSTING IN ALL CAPS AND END UP LOOKING LIKE AN INTERNET TROLL WITH YOUR KNEE-JERK, REACTIONARY RANTING!!!1!!!1!! You need to ditch this firearm rubbish and talk about the weapons every hunter should own, like flint hand-axes and pointy sticks!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

MADGator

Good morning sunshine, haven’t you got out on the wrong side of the bed today!

I wonder what they said about the first casting real, SOB’s need to fish with a stick and a string just like Grandpa here! First of all, what’s the problem hunting with an AR, I hunt with not just with an AR15, but M1A and M1 Garand. Now you going to tell me the Garand isn’t a good hunting rifle too!

I don’t really care for Beer and finding my Turkey in the bottom of a bottle, but you don’t hear me rant and raving about everyone having a nip or two providing all the guns have been cleaned and put-up for the night including the wood cut and other chores in camp has been done. Besides, I do enjoy doing the camp chores and being the designated driver!

I sagest to you Sir to set back and think about the real similarities these firearms do have not by looks alone. One mechanical change does change the firearms function and use! If you make one item to be prohibited, isn’t that a stepping stone for the next one, the one you have think about it!

There are MOONBATS out there that truly believe the Human Race should be exterminated to save the planet!

I believe in those people to be prochoice should start with themselves first! Whats good for one, should be good for them too!

go figure!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Firearms are like Women and if every Woman was the same, wouldn’t that be a very distasteful life!

It cost Adam a rib for Eve, I just wonder what would life would have been if it costed him an arm and a leg?

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

WOWie! The first poster sure got things stirred up! Sounded like Ms Peelousey & Rush Limbaugh having at it!

It too me a while to get through all this, enjoyed everyone but the "idjits" (thankfully few) who echoed cfg's rant! Have not had this much fun since my Grannie fell down the stairs! ( Not really but my Gramp used to say that!)

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from mbkin99 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

CB, Thanks for your service brother.

Ar's are awesome rifles and thanks F&S for a great article.

Tired of anti 2nd amendment folks trying to ram there doctrine down my throat. Hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. Obama was very tactical in using hunting as a forum to make people believe he was for the 2nd amendment. Pro 2nd amendment folks don't try and make anybody buy or own a firearm. That's a choice you are free to make.

Ar's are great rifles weather you hunt, plink, or defend with them, so was the m1 Garand, the k98 Mauser, and countless others. The Ar will be here for a long time.

Thanks again CB

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from climate_zero wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

My personal choice would be the FN SCAR. Great gun. I wonder if people in the 1920's debated the importance of the man killing military 30-06 caliber. The fact is the military spends lots of money learning what works and that's what they buy. I think that we should all be greatful that we get to fallow in their foot steps, weather you know it or not by watching them you can save youself alot of money. Not just on guns but camping gear and other "military tech". I seriously doubt any one would say that GPS has no place in Field and Stream but it was born for the military. Oh yeah, if it shoots well and is cheap to shoot it's for hunting. I've never seen an animal refuse death in the face of being shot with an inferior rifle.

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from jlmckinney wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

The biggest question is: 1. What is a sniper rifle? Answer: A weapon used by military and law enforcement used for precise and accurate shooting at different distances, that's all.

2. Assault Weapon: Same as above.

The media has taken over to show the American People that these weapons are bad. These rifles are are simply a rifle. If you have a tricked out .308 with a High power scope, it's a Varmint/Competition/Hunting Rifle, that is it. But the media and news group's and our great government that we have now want to misuse the terminology against the little man.

I am a Marine, Disabled, and I do not like being pushed around and told lies. Semper Fidelis

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from Jack Cormack wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

Having "used" one since 1971, untill my last trip to the desert, and owned one Colt, and now have a DPMS with a 24" barrel. I think I can say that the latest one is NOT an assult rifle, nor was my M-4 a primo hunting rifle. They are a well designed and functional weapon, and having put at least a few thousand rounds down range each year, for 38 years, can say that there were times that I wished that I had, had that 24" barrel to reach out and touch that target, that my M-4 was not barreled for. Also having been trained and trained other troops with the M-14, and seen these same troops fire the M-16/ AR weapons, have proof that the lighter recoil, made them better marksman. After handling that weapon for 38 years it comes to shoulder automaticly, and even with the bi-focals the iron sights are on target as second nature. With the addition of a .450 Thumper, or .50 Beowulf upper you have an excellant brush gun, and the new 6.8 SPC gets a lot more lead down range for Whitetail sized game, than the 5.56/.223. For the coyotes that like to make a try for my wifes pygmy goats here at the house/farm, the .556, gets the job done right NOW, as my eleven year old grand daughter did last week. This brings up RECOIL, the little girl can handle the 6.8 as well, due to that buffer assembly,(my 03-A3, and M1 are both on the heavy side,in both weight and recoil, for a 64 pound, 11 year old). I give the AR series a Thumbs up for hunting, as well as a mult-purpose rifle for starting young, or new shooters with.

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from taliaferro24 wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

who uses a assult rifle for hunting??

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from Confederate-La wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

Mr. Humphries I would like to thank you for your articles on the AR rifles, they were excellent, just wish you would have emphasized a little more on the Olympic Arms, excellent rifles at a moderate price. I enjoy the M4’s AK, and the SKS, the 1903, Marlins 45/70, Shotguns hand guns ect if you get my point. I was a little disappointed with some of the blogs, a lot of good points were made, (KenD some great points but you need to reduce your calibers of concern quite a bit, if you get my hint) but the bickering sounded like a bunch of old hens. CFG, and MADGator, guys each to his own, Clay C, brother don’t drag yourself to others levels

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from Nic Meador wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

WHERES THE DANG ROCK RIVERS!!! All of my dads ar's are rock rivers. With handloads they all shoot 1 inch groups at 300 yards. of course they all have crisp clean 3 pound triggers.

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Good Stuff. Remington R-15 VTR Predator Carbine CS is the BEST hands down!

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from Elkaholic wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

1,651,558 Semi-auto gun owners killed no-one yesterday. I love em, keep it coming. I use mine almost 3 times a week to relieve stress. Oh and I do work for the local Sheriff's office. They are not a problem, more people are affraid of them for not understanding them. I say let them shoot it I GUARENTEE they will love it. You can also fire a semi-auto weapon fully automatic without changing any of the hardware.

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from Elkaholic wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Now available in the .50 cal, and it uses the same m-4 frame, all you have to do is change out the upper reciever.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

I got to say those Range Monkeys using the term ASSAULT RIFLE and saying you can convert AR’s to full auto , shows me there true lack of knowledge and pure ignorance!

The AR’s have the same advantage as my Thompson Center Encore with the ability as the Encore changing barrels as with the AR’s you can simply change the uppers out within seconds for a vast variety of cartridges from varmint busters to big game thumpers!

An assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with "selective fire" (capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes). GET THAT RANGE MONKEY! Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies, having largely superseded or supplemented larger and more powerful battle rifles such as the M14, FN FAL and the Heckler & Koch G3. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK-47, M4 carbine, and the Steyr AUG.

Hey Range Monkey key word “SELECTIVE FIRE!”

GET IT!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Brother taliaferro24

Assault rifles are illegal to use in all 50 states!

Another factoid Range Monkeys cannot fathom!

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Confederate-La

You’re absolutely right Bro!

How in the hell can you have a battle of wits with an unarmed mind! They lost already and don’t know it. They remind me of Guinea Roosters swooping up on train tracks taking on locomotives!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Now if they can make them lighter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

By the way, the Remington R-15 uper can be changed out with the AR uper

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Like it or not folks, the AR platform is the wave of the future after over 50 years of evolution. The bolt rifles of the late 1800's (I still consider my #1 rifle to be a M98 Mauser desiged in the 1870's) are no longer the only show in town. Semi-automatic firearms have also been on the hunting scene for over 50 years now and continue to gain a stonger following every year as the manufacturers continue to improve accuracy, reliability and flexibility. I have shot most of the commercial hunting rifles available for the last 50 years and will have to say that my Bushmaster Varminter with a 24" heavy barrel is rapidly becoming my sporting rifle of choice. With no improvements other than reloaded cartriges, I get less than 1/2 inch groups. I can shoot targets all day cheap and there is really no comparison with a bolt rifle for hunting coyotes. As a matter of fact, it is one of the few factory rifles I have been able to use for reliably shooting house flies at 100 yards. With a 5 round magazine, I don't feel that I have any greater advantage against game than my dad did with his Remington 740 over 50 years ago. It is a great sporting rifle and it is here to stay. I still hunt with my relics as well but I can see why they don't use them for serious business any more.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

When the troops were coming home from WWI, there were those in Congress who were outright terrified of the soldiers and the 03-A3 bolt gun. Yes the 03-A3, 30-06 bolt action rifle! The same Paranoia is happening right now with our troops this very moment!

Think about it!

The 03-A3?
A rifle with the ability to hit it
if you can see it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

The more time goes by, the more AR's and alike are on the market and in homes. I know a Female Doctor who never owned a gun before bought a loaded AR15 and 1000 rounds of ammo just to have it!

AR’s are here to stay, I SAY!

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

DakotaMan It looks like the way of the bolt gun is fading away! Your right about the AR platform, so much you can do with it witout taking it to a Gun Smith including barrel change!

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Clay no doubt in haste you either meant WWII or 03 Springfield in your previous post as the 03A3 production was initiated by Remington and Smith-Corona in 1942. Either way your point is well taken.

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from czaroftexas wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Love it!! Wish i could afford it!! Feel free to send it to me!!

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from Vassilyjung wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

CFG, you're a fop. Vote with your feet.

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from Blackwidow wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

While I must admit I love all the high tech weapons I had a thought today about my next blog tomorrow. Todays' weapons versus the ones gone by.
What Im thinking is high tech of today vs the 30-30 of yesterday. You know its not all about the gun its also about the hunter. See my post tomorrow on this subject at the below address.

The Black Widow http://www.blackwidowhuntingmadefun.blogspot.com

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well - lots of comments above; some decent - some confrontational, some just damn dumb (you know who you are!). The readers of F&S are not the same class of gentlemen from 20-30 years ago...but then neither is the world. I think a lot of you will get your wish...the subscription will not be renewed and the posting of thoughts and opinions will stop right now. I think I'm glad to be "voted off the island" if the natives are typical of some of the above comments. If anybody can decipher what Vassilyjung is trying to say up above...be sure and let him know too-for his benefit.

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well - lots of comments above; some decent - some confrontational, some just damn dumb (you know who you are!). The readers of F&S are not the same class of gentlemen from 20-30 years ago...but then neither is the world. I think a lot of you will get your wish...the subscription will not be renewed and the posting of thoughts and opinions will stop right now. I think I'm glad to be "voted off the island" if the natives are typical of some of the above comments. If anybody can decipher what Vassilyjung is trying to say up above...be sure and let him know too-for his benefit.

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from KNak wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Lots of comments here some good, some bad but if you get to the bottom of this, the anti gunners need no excuses to base any comment on and the AR 15 has become a popular varmint / predator rifle in the heavy barrel versions. I owned a Colt AR15A1 back in the seventies and it served well as a rock chuck device around our hay and grain fields. I hunted with a friend who owned an early Ruger M-77 Varminter in .22-250 and found that the .223 could do about anything .22-250 does, the results just were not as impressive. My current AR15 is a Olympic Arms PCR (Politically Correct Rifle) with 26" heavy barrel and impressive accuracy, clover leafs at 100 yards using surplus 55 grain FMJs. This rifle is also proving to be a useful if not fun tool for predator control.

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'll be using the Rock River varmint 24" in my avatar this fall. I will hunt with it:
1)because I like it
2)because it's at least a tie for the most accurate thing I've ever owned.
3)because it pisses off people who just assume its evil and black
4)just because....

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from mikegilbert wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

If you don't like ARs, then don't read the article! More ARs have been sold in the past year than at any time in history and more people are using them for hunting today than at any time in history. On another subject, I don't get the M4 barrel, I mean, how many people have a grenade launcher to attach to it?

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from nvrs wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Pretty slick grouping of 25, But there are plenty of ones overlooked that can be put together from a kit like a model(Maybe there should be a top 25 of those?)... Makes you feel good to build something out of a box and have it perform like the best of the best. As far as the old fudds out there posting comments about how they cant stand these types of gun, they need to step back and assess that they are eventually going to lose their rights if they don't understand that the younger generation is into these and they need to help get them get into the sport by whatever means, even if it is an EBR. Eventually they will turn out at the local range with some old bolt gun that they bought or inherited and will have a blast with it, keeping the thoughts and dreams of the old fudd alive...

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from glockman wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

To CFG7613: Every sportsman ought to have an AR in their closet and more are buying them for the first time every day. These types of rifles have become very mainstream. Catch up with the times.

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from blhar15 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

CFG, the anti-gunners love it when we gun owners argue among ourselves, especially when it comes to so called assault weapons. Actually an assault rifle is a fully automatic rifle by definition, not a semi-auto. A gun is a gun, semi-auto remington or AR-15, does the same thing. There are a lot of gun owners like CFG, that just do not give a hoot (as you states it) about AR-15 style black rifles. The problem with that though, is anti-gunners want all our semi-autos, than bolt actions, than single actions, and down the line. We gun owners need to stick together.
CFG, maybe you should go out plinking sometime with an AR and see how much fun it can be.

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from Fr. Frog wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Wake up! There is way to much name calling going on within the shooting sports.

There are no better or worse shooting activities nor good or bad guns. Yet each sport seems to attract those who condemn the other sports or firearms types, i.e. the trap and skeet shooters with their high priced shotguns think pistol sports are "bad." Rifle target shooters think Class 3 fans are nuts; "black guns" vs traditional rifles, etc, on and on and on. This good gun-bad gun attitude among shooters plays right into the antigun crowd's hands who will work on their nefarious plans banning one "bad" gun after another until all "bad" guns have been banned.  

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from padrezac wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

I entertained the same negative thoughts about the AR platform for awhile, all thanks to the press. I've tried a few and find them accurate and worthy as a hunting rifle. I agree that a Hi Cap mag is pushing it a little for big game seasons, but fine for varmints and predators.
I have most every type of firearm and have one that will shoot 1" groups at 200 yds verified. Its a .243 Win in an R25.
BTW, the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting arms.
Regarding the preponderance of AR'sin the hunting/shooting mags recently, I agree that it gets to be a bit much. But its what's exciting to the larger number of folks, I guess. I too prefer the good old fashined hunting stories. The magazines will print what is demanded by dollars. Enough requests will bring what's desired. Write the publisher instead of ranting.
I used to tell my sister when she started whining, "Change it, talk to someone who can or shut up." I'll say it more politely to those here who disagree, of course. Thanks for your opinions, though!

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from USMarine1058 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Dear CFG, can you say "Diversity"? I love ALL guns and am happy to read and study whatever is written about them. And, shame on you for your close mindedness and bigotry against black rifles. I love their history, engineering, and most importantly, the liberty which gives me the blessing of owning and hunting with them. Guess what,...AR rifles are the most popular rifles in America, and market driven forces dictate what F&S places in their publication, so the articles on my beloved rifles will do doubt keep on coming.

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from LEATHERNECK762 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

since we are on the topic of the way a gun looks < lets not forget that marine coprs snipers use a version of the remmington .308.. a very commen hunting rifel, and really is it the look of a gun that scares you??? you should be more concerned with how it preforms and who is owning them?? i can make a squirt gun look dangerous!! and blhar15 is right we need to band toghether on all guns and laws trying to restict our rights as responsable owners!!!

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from glcanon wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Anti-gunners don't give a hoot in he!L whether our rifles hv wooden stocks and resemble WW2 rifles or are black and resemble Vietnam era rifles. CFG, what rifle ought I to have? A $3000 vintage Sako? Wanna give me yours? Nancy Pelosi said if it was up to her she would take away every firearm from every Joe and Jeannie America, including pistols. So if we do not hang together we will all surely hang separately. We saw what a democrat controlled Congress did under Clinton where even our magazines were regulated. These are the same socialists who want to control every aspect of our lives and want citizens totally dependent upon govtmnt funding for all health, well-being and livelihood. If anything they've gotten much more radical. Just vote NO to that socialist party and preserve our Constitutional and 2nd amendment rights.

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from bigbuck27 wrote 4 years 19 weeks ago

Who care what the rifle looks like as long as it shots good and can kill anything i want to shot at im glad with it. me i like the looks of these guns personaly i like the r-25 remington .308 its a great gun so arnt all these AR rifels. alot of these rifels are better than most of are old fasion rifels that i geuss "every man should have in his closet". any gun that can kill a deer is good in my book.

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from snowshooze wrote 4 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Guys!
I am just amazed at all the hardware now available of which I was unaware!
I recently became interested in the AR style rifles, and had never considered the black rifle a hunter. But now I have realized the utility of them and got over all that. Rugged reliability and accuracy are two features in common with assault rifles and hunters. And with the larger chamberings now available, they become viable hunters. Thanks for showing several different manufacturers, I will soon be making a purchase in probably the .338 Federal.
Great article!
Thanks,
Mark

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from ricochet wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

If you think about it, probably a hundred&fifty or so years ago, some people were complaining about bolt actions and lever guns ( well, maybe not ) but my point is that the AR's are here to stay and they do have sporting uses AND self defense uses. Thats the way it's supposed to be. What difference does it make what it's used for? Thats another thing about our Constitution, freedom of choice. I myself am getting a little fed up with people telling me what kind of guns I should have, what kind of insurance I should have,what kind of car I should drive, what my salary should be, etc.,etc. We need to quit this PC stuff about worrying how the antis will look at a particular firearm and that it may "upset" them. Hell, I WANT to upset them! Let them know once and for all(again) that all guns are protected by the 2nd amendment, even full auto with a permit!
The thing is, I don't want to have to get a permit for the rest of the guns, and thats what will happen if we coddle those people. You know what comes next..
As someone mentioned earlier, we need to stick together and don't do the antis a favor by arguing among ourselves.
Great..Now I got myself all worked up and I think I'm going to have to go look at some AR's tommorrow. I don't know if I should thank you or curse you because they are awful expensive!

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from wlewisiii wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

Ho hum. A NRA drone is trying to push black guns and there's pleanty of FUD when someone doesn't like the. Big surprise, eh, that's how the NRA keeps the bucks rolling in from suckers like you that they try keep scared of "evil gun grabbers".

As for trying one, I used one for 16 years. Garbage design then, garbage design now. You want a decent rifle, buy anything non AR. A 100 year old Mauser is a better buy. A M1A, SKS or FAL if you want a "black gun" or even an AK. But I'd rather take a bolt action into combat than carry one of those POS AR's ever again.

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from Tohopka wrote 4 years 16 weeks ago

oh my gosh #10!!!

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from Steve Marlin wrote 4 years 16 weeks ago

First let me say "thank you" to CPT Brad for his most excellent service and input to this discussion.

Secondly, to echo CPT Brad, the AR 15 today really an advanced platform for high performance shooting. For folks open to the idea, the AR 15 design features are really very handy hunting features.

I look forward to other gun manufactures matching the positive features of the AR15 so we have even better weapons to pick from in the future.

Just so you know my bias, I'm a former infantryman and current deer/varmint hunter. I only use the AR15 for varmint hunting.

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from bighunter wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

dude ive never seen a -131 sorry but, holy crap!!!
I THINK THAT SEMI AUTOS ARE USFULL AND ITS JUST THE PROGRESSION OF MODERN RIFLES

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from barneybuilding wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

If you think an AR15 is not a sporting rifle then you have never hunted with one over a dog town.
nothing can sharpen your shooting skills for a big game hunt quite like it.

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from tandm4150 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I am a gun dealer and sell a lot of black rifles. I just cannot bring myself to use one to hunt. I actually use and H&R single shot and usually only hunt varmint because I am of the belief that you get one shot. I hear these guys blast away with AR's or even bolt actions and I think I am back in Vietnam. If I miss with a single shot he lives for another day - but I usually do not miss!!

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from MAA3011 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

A PERSON AUTOMATICALLY HAS A OPINION OF WHAT A HUNTING RIFLE LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE. e.g. Remington 700.NOW AN AR MAKES IT TO THE HUNTING RIFLE STAGE. ARMALITE, BUSHMASTER ARE PRODUCING RIFLES WHILE THEY LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG IN A MILITARY ARMORY, THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY CAN AND WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A MORE FREQENT STABLE IN THE HUNT ARMS ARENA. WHILE I CAN NEVER EXPECT TO SEE THEM AS REGULAR PREFORMER DURING HUNTING SEASON IT IS NICE TO A CONVERSION FROM ACR'S AS JUST BEING A WEAPON FOR ARMED CONFRONTATION. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, SUCH AS THE MOST APPROPRIATE OPTICS. BUT, MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THE LIMITATION IN CALIBER THAT AR SEEM TO OFFER, 5.56 BEING THE PRIMARY CALIBER OFFERING AND WHILE THAT MAY BE USEFULL FOR MY LOCAL WHITETAIL HUNT. I SURE WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO SET OFF OUT ELK CAMP WITH SAME CALIBER. I AM ALSO CONCERNED AS TO DATA THAT SEEMS TO BE LACKING IN LETS SAY A 300 YARD SHOT AT A BROADSIDE 6X6 ELK. HOW DOES THE ROUND PREFORM, WHAT IS THE TRAJECTORY AS FAR AS THE ROUNDS ABILITY TO STAY ON IT'S INTENDED COURSE. I LOOK FORWARD IN THE COMING YEARS TO SEE HOW THIS DEBATE PROGRESSES. THANK YOU, MAA.

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from DR angler wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think this rifle is awsome!! And it is from the way it looks And fires. I'd love to have one of my own but I can't afford it. I have shot many of these AR-15's and there's no wonder there so popular.
-DR

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from Aimless wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What will Field and Stream's "Hero" Chuck Schumer think when he sees this article about the rifles he has tried send all of you to prison for owning?

http://schumer.senate.gov/new_website/record.cfm?id=305295

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from cmjohnson wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Those of you who are against black semi-auto rifles probably just LOVE your old fashioned bolt rifle.

But look at history: The rifle you favor most is a developed version of rifles that were developed for MILITARY usage and adopted by all the military forces around the world. Your good old fashioned "sporting" bolt-action hunting rifle with a Mauser type action is derived from the ASSAULT WEAPONS OF THEIR DAY.

Get with the program. Times are changing, rifles are changing, and the future of the hunter's rifle is not blued steel and walnut with a Mauser bolt type action. It's semi-automatic, black, plastic, steel and aluminum, has an integrated rail system, and it WORKS.

Quit being a FUDD and start being a GUN RIGHTS SUPPORTER. ALL guns. All guns are good. Some are better than others but if you're in favor of some guns but against others, you're part of the problem. You might as well go ahead and send some contributions to the Brady Campaign, because, like you, they want to ban ALL guns...one type at a time. Even YOUR preferred type is on their list, and don't be dumb enough to think otherwise.

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from plevena1 wrote 4 years 6 weeks ago

ARs would be fine for plinking & gophers[ probably a lot of fun] I just hope there isn't too much wasted venison from the 30 rounds.

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from honkwilliams wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

My dad taught me, and I still believe today, that there are two kinds of gun owners: sportsmen and gun nuts. I don't think that it should be illegal to use an AR or other automatic rifle to hunt deer. But I don't think it is as sporting, sorry. Make up your mind. You wanna be Daniel Boone or Rambo?

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from polarisgold wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

I love these guns! However, unless I missed it I did not see the Ruger. I can't believe they did not make the list.

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from jasonmarinvet wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

The difference between a hunting rifle and any other rifle that used as an "assault rifle" (if you even want to call it that) is the manner in which it is used. I can go and take a .22 and rob a store with it, or a M40A1 Sniper rifle and go moose hunting. Like the saying goes, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people", the same can be said for those who use the guns stupidly "Hunters don't have Assault Rifles, criminals have assault rifles."

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 47 weeks ago

In the past I neveer wanted an AR, but that was because I did not care for the caliber. It''s illegal in most states for Deer. Now that they have come out with more "Hairy Chested" calibers I may opt for a338 Lapua.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 47 weeks ago

Or Maybe the .50 Beowulf for Grizz country.

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from Armory Airbrush wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

As for what happened to the magazine question from the first comment. The magazine is no longer written on stone tablets. It can now be viewed with binary translators. Welcome to the future.

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from easternwolf wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

id like to see an ar in .30-06, but thats just me.

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from AdreasJohannsen wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

I don't know where CFG7613 is from what country or what constittution IF ANY they live under, but this idea that what a firearm LOOKS LIKE makes ANY difference to its use functionality or suitableness for ownership is much more about fundmental PROPERTY RIGHTS than about the natural law right to self protection and preservation.

Your right to own anAR platform firearm is exactly the same right you have to buy or paint your ncar or truck or house whatever color you want. It is the same PROPERTY RIGHT.

Give up ONE aspect of that right and the ones you surrender it to will soon tell you that you can have any color vehicle you want as long as it is high visibility green and glows in the dark.

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from jsh3fan wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

ya know CFG you sound like all the idiaot liberals all over this country, if you dont like something thats fine. Ban one type of gun ban all. No one ask you to by a ar-15 or variant. So get back in the closet with your old buddy hillary and osucka, and probably obite me

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from jsh3fan wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

ya know CFG you sound like all the idiaot liberals all over this country, if you dont like something thats fine. Ban one type of gun ban all. No one ask you to by a ar-15 or variant. So get back in the closet with your old buddy hillary and osucka, and probably obite me

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from sharpshooter82 wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

actually, assault rifles are great guns to use for hunting...believe me...its a revolution to america's pasttime!!!

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from anoldsniper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I agree that AR's weren't made for hunting game for the dinner table. They have a place but NOT for "normal" hunting

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from Yonder wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

A flintlock was an assault rifle (musket) when used against British oppressors 200+ years ago. Get over it, and don't add to dissention (that's disagreement for the unwashed) for the anti's by quibbling over a firearm that looks different. A gun is a gun. What would you say about a 30 round banana magazine on my Remington 700?

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from bobby072 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I would not hunt with one of these, but I would love to have one to add to my collection.

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from Flhrci wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

The AR is a great all around rifle. Those that cant stand the general public owning military style rifles are part of the problem. While they are great rifles for certain hunting situations, That is not the intent....Those of you that wet the bed at those of us that have them.......mission accomplished

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

As i read through some of these posts, I am a little confused with some of the opinions that I have read. I feel the same as many of you in regards to being able to have, own, and shoot any type of firearm I should ever desire. That would include fully auto guns. "AR" type rifles determines Armilite configuration, not Assault-rifle. I am 100% American and a reasonable law abiding person. I have just started getting into the "AR" type and I have much interest. Other than the way they look, I do not see any difference from my Rem. 740, M1 Carbine, Garand, or any other semi-type firearm. From what I've found, one can get a multitude of configurations. Many or all of good sound hunting rounds. 223,243,308, and even a fairly new round in a 6.8? All are and have been excellent rounds for hunting. I personally feel that the term Assault Rifle is nothing more than what has been made a negative reference of anti gun opinion. If you can make it sound bad, it must be bad antage attitude. Why should any law abiding American not have the right to own what ever type of gun they might desire? YES and that includes FULL AUTO! Maybe some legislation should be put into effect to have violent offenders get real justice instead of being put in jail and sit and live better than some working people trying to survive. This subject has a plethora of reasons for change of attitudes. The first should be that WE all join together as one for our 2nd amendment right. Lets try to remember, there are a ton of other countries that have gun control issues, maybe some should think of other places to live, hey, Kalifornia might be a good start for some. There gun control laws are some of the most restricted in our States, N.Y. is another one that is coming close as well. So that's my 2 cents.

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

As i read through some of these posts, I am a little confused with some of the opinions that I have read. I feel the same as many of you in regards to being able to have, own, and shoot any type of firearm I should ever desire. That would include fully auto guns. "AR" type rifles determines Armilite configuration, not Assault-rifle. I am 100% American and a reasonable law abiding person. I have just started getting into the "AR" type and I have much interest. Other than the way they look, I do not see any difference from my Rem. 740, M1 Carbine, Garand, or any other semi-type firearm. From what I've found, one can get a multitude of configurations. Many or all of good sound hunting rounds. 223,243,308, and even a fairly new round in a 6.8? All are and have been excellent rounds for hunting. I personally feel that the term Assault Rifle is nothing more than what has been made a negative reference of anti gun opinion. If you can make it sound bad, it must be bad antage attitude. Why should any law abiding American not have the right to own what ever type of gun they might desire? YES and that includes FULL AUTO! Maybe some legislation should be put into effect to have violent offenders get real justice instead of being put in jail and sit and live better than some working people trying to survive. This subject has a plethora of reasons for change of attitudes. The first should be that WE all join together as one for our 2nd amendment right. Lets try to remember, there are a ton of other countries that have gun control issues, maybe some should think of other places to live, hey, Kalifornia might be a good start for some. There gun control laws are some of the most restricted in our States, N.Y. is another one that is coming close as well. So that's my 2 cents.

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Sorry I went off on a tangent. I love all my guns and will get more as time goes on. All guns are good! Hunting, plinking, protection, or maybe just for fun or show. We should not have ANY of OUR rights infringed on at all! They are all good as long as they are used safely and respectfully. It's our right and our tradition! We all need to join together. A semi action is a semi action, some just look different and not as traditional. Does anyone even realize that a Thompson sub machine gun could be had by any US person even back in the 1920's? It was made to be a "Bad" gun from our government! Thats scary to me

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from 8TLbsBalls wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

Well, I have 2 AR's, and I love them both. I have used one of them for deer/coyote hunting, and in MD, it is illegal to use a firearm categorized as an "assault rifle" for hunting with more than 5 rounds, which is fine with me. I also use them both for plinking. I think some people forget that people kill people, not guns, and if someone really wants to harm someone else, they could use anything to do so, i.e., a brick, rock, stick, etc. Does that make them assault weapons? Are we going to waste everyone's time and tax dollars pushing legislation to ban those to? I'm with Blue Ridge, I own a 10/22 semi. Should be ban that now, lol?

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from jawarren00 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I think the reason these weapons are becoming popular is that since the 1960's, millions of veterans have trained and used ar style weapons. As a Gulf War Veteran, I was trained and was highly qualified with these style weapons. It is only natural for vets like me to convert our training to use in a hunting environment. Although I am sure that these people could use, and in fact many most likely do use traditional hunting rifles to hunt, it is a matter of familiarity and comfort for these people. It would be no different than my father, who was a WWII veteran to use a springfield rifle to hunt with, which is exactly what he used for over 30 years, until his death this last January.

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from Deerslayer55 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Yikes!!! How can you do a review of the Top 25 AR rifles and not include either the LaRue Tactical OBR (Optimized Battle Rifle) or the LaRue Tactical "PredatAR" -- the lightest 5.56 AR rifle on the planet. These are super accurate, finely crafted machined (not cast) rifles made in "the Dead Center of Texas." With every item you purchase from them, you get a bumper sticker that says, "God Bless our Troops, Especially our Snipers"! If that isn't enough in all of its totality to make the Top 25, then I don't know what is....

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 25 weeks ago

If it is not fully automatic, it is not an ASSAULT rifle.

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 25 weeks ago

In my opinion, the AR15 platform rifle is by far the most versitile of rifles ever made. There is a reason itis our longest lasting service rifle of the US military.

Don't like semi auto? It can be made single shot. Don't want semi auto, but want more than single shot? Disable the gas system. Want a larger caliber? No problem the Ar15 chambers most any caliber, and if it won't fit in an Ar15 action it'll likely fit in the Ar10 action. Want to change out the purpose of the gun in seconds? Buy a collection of uppers, and use one lower for all uppers.

Go from big game hunting, to varmint hunting, to bench rest shooting, to plinking etc... It is excellent for a home defense weapon due to the ballistics of the 5.56 round which doesn't penetrate nearly as many walls as the 45 acp for example.

The AR15 is a rifle that is suitable for nearly every shooter of just about any age. It is, in my opinion, more ergonomic than a traditional bolt action, and I own several rifles bolt action and semi auto.

I can not think of a bad thing about the AR 15 rifle, other than the bad people who use it to do bad things. But that can be said about any other WEAPON ever known to man.

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from Robert White wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

Some will never be able to change the way they shoot. Old timers will need 4x4s and 12 pound rifles with 9 pound trigger pulls. I stalk I don't use a stand. My rifle is light weight AR and my back up is 629 with a 3 inch and carbine loads. With that much pistol I cant afford to carry a bunch of walnut and glass. Im not shooting over 350 yards and I can walk about 22 miles round trip if I just want to go on a walk in the woods. So don't think I will bend to your ways. I don't need your advice to enjoy my ways, but you might enjoy mine if you did not eat so many TV dinners in the warming glow of the idiot box.

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from KenD wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Sorry CFG,
I like hearing about the use of these weapons for hunting. Besides that, since when did a semi-auto rifle become an assault rifle? Just because these rifles look like assault rifles don't make them assault rifles. Thats like calling my 10/22 an assault weapon just because its semi auto and can hold a thirty round clip.
I will give you this. I think it is over kill to have more than five rounds in a magazine for big game hunting. The only time I can see more than that is when plinking, coyote hunting, and shooting ground hogs.
I also see why F&S would support this type of weapon for hunting. It has to do with our right to bear arms being threatened in our government. We as hunters and the rest of society that support the second amendment must stick together with this because if they take away our semi auto rifles now, what is next? They have already talked about taking away bullets that are considered cop killing bullets. I assume those are bullets that would penetrate a bullet proof vest. That in itself would probably eliminate anything 30-06 and bigger. We can't afford to give our government an inch by taking these guns away. If it means promoting these guns for hunting to save our second amendment right, then so be it. Lets use them. And show the public that wants to ban these weapons that we can use these weapons safely and respectfully and lawfully.

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from blue ridge wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't care what the rifle looks like, it's still a SEMI AUTOMATIC. The anti's will love seeing the previous post.
My 10/22 is a SEMI AUTO, want to ban it??

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from IndyShooter wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Fargo:

You clearly don't understand what you are talking about, if you think it is easy to convert an AR-15 to fire fully automatic. The precise process of timing even the simplest legal conversion is a difficult procedure. That is assuming you have access to a machine shop, and the technical drawings of a RLL or RDIAS. If you think some schmuck with a file is going to make an M-16 in his basement, you are sorely mistaken.

Canada has less crime because they don't house many of the poverty stricken communities that are stuck in a self perpetuating cycle of crime and fatherless children.

You also speak out of both sides of your mouth. I am a sportsman, and I hunt with bolt action rifles. However, I recognize that gun banners will not be content with banning scary looking guns.

When ARs, FALs, and M1As are banned, the scoped and high powered 'sniper rifles' will be on the chopping block next.

We must all stand together and put a stop to the nonsense that anti-gunners are throwing at us. Too often gun banners are our own worst enemies. We need to understand that 2nd amendment rights don't have a thing to do with hunting, but are our most crucial defense against tyranny.

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from DiverDog wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG, If you dont like it don't read it. Come on Betty Bitc*er you probably complain about whats on tv too. I think it was an informative article and just brings us guys that like the rifles up to speed on whats out there. I do wish they wrote more about trucks, atvs, and such but there is nothing wrong with this AR article. Keep up the good work F&S.

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from dave howard wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Remember when a bolt-action .22 and .30-06 where all the more flavors you needed in your rifle collection? And remember when all of the hunters who grew up putting food on the table became part of the greatest generation and used the venerable .30-06 and all their shooting and hunting experiences to win two world wars? The exploits of H. W. McBride and others like him will be lessons to learn from for years. Regardless of opinion of the rifle, right now the AR-15 in 5.56 is the weapon of choice for our military in war, and unfortunately, too many of them have never used the thing until they arrive at basic training and then only once every year at a qualification range. Recently, the Marine Corps, (I don't know if CFG has heard of this "little rifle club", but many recognize them as among the best in their trade), hired big game hunters to teach Marines how to stalk their prey in the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan. Is the AR-15 relevant to a magazine such as F&S? I'd say not relevant enough! Riflecraft, whether it is for plinking, big game, small game, or whatever, is the way of the modern warrior, so let's ignore Mr. Cooper's "hoplophobiacs" and enjoy the tool, (by learning and exploring its potential), that technology has given us. By the way CFG, "assault" is a behavior, not an inanimate object, and the writers at F&S still do a pretty good job at stirring the emotions of this outdoorsman, especially the backpage work done by Mr. Heavey.

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from big-triple-d wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Hey, CFG just because they are not your cup of tea, doesn't mean that they are not some else bread and butter. I love mine for popping coyotes and tin cans. I don't really think that in the current political climate we should be throwing any stones at each other. United we stand divided we fall.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Do we have to go through the whole Jim Zumbo ordeal again? If you don't like the looks of a firearm, there's a simple solution. Don't buy one. Let's please remember that the '03 Springfield, the Mauser, and the Enfield were all battle rifles. If we ban "assualt" weapons and mean by that military weapons, that doesn't leave a lot. Remington's version of John Browning's autoloading A-5 served in the trenches of World War II, and punp action shotguns were used in Vietnam, so those would have to go too. If you don't think a 12 gauge or a .30-06 is an assault weapon, try getting on the wrong side of one. I'd take a 5.56 round any day as opposed to one of the previous two. And as for what the antis think of us, get this loud and clear, "WHO FREAKIN'CARES!" They hate us, they hate what we do, they hate what we stand for, and if that ever changes, we're doing something wrong. I'm not apoligizing for my rights, and I don't have to make an AR look like a lever-action any more than a Jew should have to look like a Christian or vice-versa. What other constitutional right requires a background check?

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from nc30-06 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I love my Stag AR semi-auto, my bolt actions, levers, pump action, break-down singles and doubles, revolvers pistols, black powders. Just because you don't care for a particular rifle style CFG, doesn't mean there aren't others who do. And, we want to read about them.

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from oxnardbob wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG may very well be an "Anti". Doesn't seem too tolerant of other people's tastes. Want's to tell others how they should live, Etc.

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from kiltedhunter wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Personally I don't see what the all the fuss is about. Sounds like the people that have problems with a "black" rifle or "assault" rifle should take a look at American history and see how many deer, elk and antelope were killed in this country after WWI and WWII with M1s, '03 Springfields, M1 Carbines, and Winchester 98s. All of these weapons were used fauthfully by our armed forces but I have never heard anyone griping about them. Too many people want to be "anti" black gun just because of cosmetics. Why? because it doesnt have a fine walnut stock and look like an heirloom. Give me a break!! These things work great and you can abuse the HE*L out of them and they still run. Good enough to defend the country, outta be good enough for me to blast coyoytes and groundhogs.

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from Onlymeself wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'll admit I was "afraid" of the "evil black guns" too. We shoot every weekend. It's a great family sport (when done safely), it keeps me connected to my boys, and prepares them for the hunt this fall. We are always adding weapons to our collection. But like I said I was against the "evil black guns".
Then my son brings his new Stag AR out to shooters alley one day. He talked me into shooting it. It was love at first shot! The main thing I like about it... It doesn't beat me up. I have 2 herniated disc in my neck, I can't handle big rifles because they hurt me, I am on the couch for a few days after shooting the hunting rifles we have (7mm's and a 264). They are fine rifles but I can't shoot them.
I had to have one, and for mother's day I was given a DPMS Panther. I love it! It's well made and has minimal recoil. I can shoot all day and feel great afterward. It's accurate, reliable, lightweight and doesn't beat me up. What more can I ask for?
Now let's talk about what an "assualt" weapon is...
An assualt weapon is a weapon which is use to assualt someone or something. Well, 22's kill more people annually than any other caliber. (Look up the stats) So if we are going to ban "assualt" weapons the 22 has to be the first to go. The next to go would have to be the handguns (revolver or semi auto, any caliber). Watch the reality shows, they are used in hold up a lot more than any rifle, whether is bolt action or semi auto. Knives of any sort. How many people are stabbed and killed each year. Yes, you can use them for cutting up your steak, but you might also use them to cut up your neighbor. So, no more knives ban them too. We'll just have to pick our steaks up and eat them cave man style. Baseball bats, there's an assualt weapon for ya. I've seen numberous video's of stores being held up with them. Ban all baseball bats.
Let's face it people, if we want to hurt one another we're going too. I broke a guys arm before with a large wrench. (He was trying to break into my house, thru a window by the door and that's what I had handy)
And the spree killers that have used AR style guns, face it people the gun didn't make them do it. Had the AR never been made they would have used another weapon. (as of yet, my panther has not spoken to me if it does I'll call Ripleys)
As the saying goes... "Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
There's my opinion, take it and five bucks and buy yourself one of those fancy coffees.
(climbs down off soap box)

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from -Bob wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

It's all kind of a moot point here in Pennsylvania. We aren't permitted to hunt with semiauto rifles (or handguns) of any type, in any season.

However -- that's no reason for me not to want to own one (or read about them). Enough with the bickering already. Don't make me stop this car...

For those of you fortunate enough to reside in a state without such a restriction, I would imagine that an AR-configured rifle chambered in .308 would make a damned fine sporting arm. No?

As for us here in the Keystone state -- well, we've spent many a night around the fire wondering what it would be like to have an M1 up in the tree with us on Opening Day...

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

p.s. im active duty U.S.M.C and that "evil Black Gun" has saved not only mine, but many, many other hind ends.

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from Ne boy wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I dont have any AR-15 style rifles,but i do have a stanless steel Rugar Mini 14 in .223 that does wonders on coyotes. And it does have a 20 round clip. But that doesnt make it an assult rifle. I like these kind of articles on field & stream we need to see all diferent types of hunting.

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from jeffo52284 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I dont own a rifle like these but i know that in the area i live in there are fewer hunters every year because kids would rather sit in a house and get fat playing video games than go out and enjoy the great outdoors that are so close. if using a gun that looks like the one in a video game will get young kids excited about hunting im all for it. in my opinion any gun can call kill someone no matter how it looks or how it is modified it comes down to teaching responsibility and safety with any firearm.

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from idahooutdoors wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I enjoy my AR, and have had lots of fun on the work bench customizing it. My buddy's also own several different variants, as well as a few different AK makes and models. I do think this is more of a Guns and Ammo article, than Field and Stream, though there are several AR variants that work well as hunting weapons, especially the varmint models, which have relevance for this site....If a person doesn't like an article, it is easier for that individual to just not read it, than to remove it, and deprive those who may enjoy it.

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from vtbluegrass wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG- you may not give a hoot in hell about black rifle for hunting but look at the sales statstics. Even before people lost their minds and started hoarding stuff after the election AR's were screaming out the doors of every production facility where they were made. It the fastest selling and hottest rifle out there. So there are a whole hell of alot of people out there who do want to read about them. And yes Zumbo was right when he appologized for dogging the use of AR's for hunting. And its not much of a dialogue when you start it off by saying since you aren't interested in them that F&S shouldn't write about them. That defensive attitude is why we still have gun rights today.

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from jbird wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't own an AR, but I thought it was a good article, and very informative. What a job to be able to test those rifles out and write about it! I would have bought one of the .308 model AR's if I could've afforded it, but when I was "assault weapon" shopping, the AK had the best price for 7.62 firepower.
Remember, every group has it's idiots. Hunters as a group are not immune to this. It's the idiots who give hunters a bad rap, not what tool you hunt with.

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from CPT BRAD wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

A few words;

First the top comment created a lot of drama here, well that's normal. The first AR created a drama in the military when it came out 60 years ago. Its ok it lived and is a great rifle.

Secondly I hated the rifles that we had in basic, I think they issed worn out POS but the new M-4s are the $$IT! I love them you can get in and out of you HMVEE a lot easier, they are lighter and more pointable than any rifle that I have ever seen.

Thirdly I have shot everything from an AK, AR, SKS, 10-22, and several civilian ARs they are great guns! I currently have an AR-10 and love it for anything I would shoot with my bolt gun. It will lay em down and group like a bolt!

Fourthly and this should have been first is that this is the best written review that I have read about the AR it is very informative.

Guys that critisize this gun don't KNOW this gun. It's potential is unlimited, just because a few @$$Holes use it to shoot up a school or whatever does NOT make it a bad rifle. It SAVED a lot of people during Katrina, it continues to save lives in Iraq and Afganistan, and it IS THE PEOPLE'S rifle!

Gentlemen I've just made it back from round two in Iraq and this current configuration rocks!

CB

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from cliff68 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Hey CFG, if you knocked every action type that was an assault rifle you wouldn't have anything left to hunt with. They almost all started out as weapons of war. I too used to not think much of the AR15, but bought one a couple of years ago and now own two. Just run a couple of magazines through one and see if you can wipe the silly grin off your face. That's what they are all about for us civilians, they are just plain fun.

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from lineflyer9 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Remember where these labels came from:
Saturday Night Special (Robbers rob on any night not just Saturday night)
Assault Rifle (the killer behind the gun is committing the assault not the gun)
Cop Killer Bullets (bullets are not cop killers but the killer behind the gun is)
Common Sense Gun Control (this phrase comes from anti-gun people with NO COMMON SENSE)
States that allow concealed carry have a lower crime rate. I am a Gun Nut & proud of it. (I love guns but I have no desire to kill people. I love to shoot and hunt. I have a concealed carry permit and have had them in 3 different states where I have lived. I ALWAYS CARRY. I will only shoot people in self-defense or to protect lives of others.)
These labels came from the anti-gun people coining a phrase that people will remember. Like the phrase Road Rage. Bull, Road Rage people should be charged with attempted murder and not excused because of the term Road Rage.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I have my concealed carry permit as well. I worked in the criminal justice system for 9 years, and it kind of goes with the territory. I feel the heavy responsibility of carrying a deadly instrument, and I pray to God that I will never have to use it. Before I ever began carrying a firearm, I made the sobering decision that I could live with taking a life more easily than I could live with a loved one, a friend, or a stranger losing his or her life because I was unarmed and incapable of doing anything to stop it.

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from JAReynolds19802003 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

What was it Whelan said? "Only Accurate rifles are interesting" That being the case CFG, I would say on average an AR is much more interesting than anything you have. Have you ever shot an AR? If you have not how can you say anything about it? My wife did that once. She said she did not like deer meat, but she had never tried it. Guess what she eats two to three times a month now? Deer meat. Why? She used an open mind and tried it. So why not have an open mind and try an AR. Bet you can not find a single solid reason for not using one to hunt with. Maybe you can use the "It is not as traditional as a bolt gun or whatever else you use." But that is not a solid reason. Keep an open mind and don't let the platform divide gun owners.

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from nkirby05 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

These guns look great and I am sure they shoot like a dream. I guess on one hand you could think of using them along the lines of: If they are the quickest and most efficient way to harvest an animal, then why not? I for one just could not imagine sitting on the back of my pickup, sipping a cup of coffee with any one of the ARs pictured.

Call me a purist, but I could never see myself stalking through the woods on the trail of a deer with an AR, but to each his own. I guess if that is what it takes for some to be drawn into the sport, interested in firearms, successful hunters, or all of the above, then why not.

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 46 weeks ago

You should consider, fargo, that the US population is nearly 10 times that of Canada. You don't have much of an argument if you ask me.

I am a law enforcement officer, and I don't care what kind of gun they have - they are all guns. It doesn't matter how easy/hard they are to convert to fully automatic - if it can be done, someone will figure it out no matter.

I personally like the AR style rifles for both a hunting and LE tool. They are very compact and maneuverable which allows them to be used quite well in both environments.

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from Joseph Bishop wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

If you don't like AR's that is your opinion. They are perfectly legitimate sporting arms for many reasons. But, the article says,"But the hunter who automatically dismisses AR-style rifles as legitimate sporting guns would be doing himself a major disservice. Why? Because the AR is one of the most capable, adaptable, and appealing firearm platforms on the market today." So you are losing out not us. Don't bash the gun that lots of us like, and if you don't like an article then don't read it. You have a choice to read it or not. If you want more of something right the editors to come complaining here and annoying us.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG7613, everybody is entitled to his or her own opinion, just as everyone, even an experienced gun writer who should know better, is entitled to be wrong. I apologize for the typographical errors earlier, but I was too busy foaming at the mouth. It must have been a case of the dreaded leaping fantods. What is your definition of an assault rifle? This term was first applied to civilian firearms by those seeking an incremental ban of all firearms ownership, so even using the term is going to provoke a strong response from gun owners who have had just about enough, thank you very much, of regulation. Any truly modern assault rifle as the term is properly used is capable of selective, i.e., full-auto file, and nobody is advocating hunting with those. What's your definition of an appropriate hunting firearm, and are you prepared to defend your position if someone who hunts only with a muzzleloader, or a flintlock, or a bow, or a spear, feels that your choice is not "sporting" enough?

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from Pops wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

CFG7613 Shame on you or maybe you're just dumb. I can take my Bushmaster Prediator, no wind and knock a hair off a knat's ass at 300 yards. I shoot cayote's & fox in the ear so as not to mess up the pelt.

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from Onlymeself wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

well said jeff!
That's why I take my kids shooting. They're outside being active, they're learning proper gun safety, and if they are out shooting with me then I don't have to worry about who's trying to get them screwed up on drugs.

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from maverick340 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

My hat's off to CPT BRAD! If you criticize the guns, you've never shot them. Too many people are afriad of a "negative connotation" to try shooting a new gun.

I run the gun dept for a local sporting goods dept. and I've heard a lot of stories over the gun counter. My favorite is the one I heard when an eldery gentleman approached the counter, propped his cane up, and asked to see the old M1 we had in the case. He related to me about how his unit, after helping liberate a Pacific island, had used M1's to hunt wild cattle in the mountains. He said it was one of the best brush guns he'd ever used. The M1 was one of the original assault rifles, so these guys weren't to be hunting with them? Having shot several AR's, I can see how they would be terrific to hunt with. If PA would ever lift their "ban" on semi's for hunting, I would have my SKS out there in the woods with me. It's accurate, and carries plenty knock-down to take care of a deer. A good deer rifle is a good deer rifle. Period.

I'm honestly tired, too, about hearing what should be in every hunter's closet. I have years of back issues of F&S, OL, Guns & Ammo, etc. Every "must-have" list of deer rifles contains the same guns. They're all real quick to list the Model 70, the 700, the 94, the 336, but that's about it. I'm not ripping on those guns or the writers, it's just that I like articles like this that dare to look outside "the hunter's closet."

If we're going to survive the anti-onslaught, we need to be a lot more open-minded. They won't pick and choose which guns they try to take, so we need to respect them all.

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from sarge712 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

fargo2222 stated,
"Also I get tired of all the arguements in favor of true assault weapons, that 'its just a semi-automatic'. We have to keep in mind that it is very easy to convert those semi's to fully automatic weapons. It's become a real problem. Just ask Law Enforcement officals."

Don't wave the law enforcement card when trying to justify restricting semi-automatic weapons. I own AK clones, M1-A's, AR's, Mini-14's, SKS's, M1 Garands, etc. BTW I'm an 18 year law enforcement veteran with all but two of those years on patrol and SWAT, a federal officer with the Bureau of Indian Affairs at that, and am not threatened a bit by the EBR ("evil black rifle"). Everyone ought to own one. In fact I wish all non-felon citizens were able to carry concealed or open carry anywhere, anytime minus correctional facilities and courts of course.

Contrary to government claims, 90% of LEO's are pro-gun. The other 10% who aren't are suck-ups who usually end up as chief of police some unfortunate place. The cops you see standing grimly behind some politician as he proposes ant-gun legislation were usually ordered to do so by their sell-out chiefs.

I am also a trained SWAT sniper and could do more damage with my bolt action Remington 700P ("just" a hunting rifle right?) than with my AR. Don't think the anti's don't know this and want hunting rifles banned as much as any semi-auto rifle.

Zumbo was wrong and only made nice when outcry forced him to do so. He and his chowderhead ilk will have only themselves to thank if ALL guns, hunting and otherwise, are gathered up ala Australia.

United we stand...

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Let’s get it straight here; The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, “SELECTIVE”-fire that’s right “SELECTIVE”-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges." Selective
The fact of the matter is, there is now difference in function between the Model 750™ Woodsmaster™ and the AR15!

So get it straight!

I spent 15 years shoulder to shoulder with the Nations best shooting High Power Competition and did so with a M1 Garand, M14 and M1A while they shot bolt guns topped with extraterrestrial telescopes and boy did I give them hell on the 1000 yard line with open sights I did!

Bottom line

If you’re going to come to me with the intent of trashing A15’s etc you better get your facts straight!

It’s all a matter of taste like in the vehicles you drive!

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from Mike Mancuso wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

The vendors selling black rifles at local gun shows are doing a good business. A good example was the last show at the Cow Palace near San Francisco. California's liberal politicians are trying to close up shows at public venues like the Cow Palace and county fairgrounds. The last show was jammin' in spite of ticket prices being raised.

My favorite shooter growing up in rural Kern County in the 50's was my uncle's .22 bolt action. Today, the top rifle in my safe is a Weatherby Vanguard with the nice wood in .243 Winchester. It has served me well.

If I lived anywhere near the Mojave Desert today, I would have one of those black rifles, too. No matter what my neighbor's thought.

Keep up the good work. There were several black rifles on your list that I liked. Hmmmmm.

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from COhunting wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Jbird,

I agree with you that every group has its share of idiots that give it a bad name. I was not a fan of owning military/assault style weapons, especially for hunting. I'm still not convinced about their hunting uses, but am now seeing that like any other firearm in qualified and ethical hands, they have a big niche. I shoot often on public lands, and have unfortunately witnessed a lot of unsafe, unethical and just plain stupid actions of people with regular pistols rifles or shotguns. I will still debate with anyone the practice of shooting big game with black rifles- but acknowledge that it is a personal preference of mine rather than being about right and wrong. For me, a bolt action rifle is more than enough advantage while hunting. On another hand, popping cans with one of those things might be kind of a blast!

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from deanlikes2fish wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

hey guess what? no ther rifle has as many options is as easily customizable and accurate. i have a m4 version and 3 different upper receivers to match the situation whether its coyotes @ 600 yards or deer at 30 yards. plus i just saw how i can turn it into a crossbow. the only difference between my dads rem 7400 and my m4 is that i have a cool quotient of abotu 3000.

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from sarge712 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

...besides WHEN the zombies come, you'll wish you haaaaaad one ! ! !

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from jlmckinney wrote 4 years 38 weeks ago

The biggest question is: 1. What is a sniper rifle? Answer: A weapon used by military and law enforcement used for precise and accurate shooting at different distances, that's all.

2. Assault Weapon: Same as above.

The media has taken over to show the American People that these weapons are bad. These rifles are are simply a rifle. If you have a tricked out .308 with a High power scope, it's a Varmint/Competition/Hunting Rifle, that is it. But the media and news group's and our great government that we have now want to misuse the terminology against the little man.

I am a Marine, Disabled, and I do not like being pushed around and told lies. Semper Fidelis

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

When the troops were coming home from WWI, there were those in Congress who were outright terrified of the soldiers and the 03-A3 bolt gun. Yes the 03-A3, 30-06 bolt action rifle! The same Paranoia is happening right now with our troops this very moment!

Think about it!

The 03-A3?
A rifle with the ability to hit it
if you can see it!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

The more time goes by, the more AR's and alike are on the market and in homes. I know a Female Doctor who never owned a gun before bought a loaded AR15 and 1000 rounds of ammo just to have it!

AR’s are here to stay, I SAY!

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from sgaredneck wrote 4 years 32 weeks ago

I'll be using the Rock River varmint 24" in my avatar this fall. I will hunt with it:
1)because I like it
2)because it's at least a tie for the most accurate thing I've ever owned.
3)because it pisses off people who just assume its evil and black
4)just because....

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from blhar15 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

CFG, the anti-gunners love it when we gun owners argue among ourselves, especially when it comes to so called assault weapons. Actually an assault rifle is a fully automatic rifle by definition, not a semi-auto. A gun is a gun, semi-auto remington or AR-15, does the same thing. There are a lot of gun owners like CFG, that just do not give a hoot (as you states it) about AR-15 style black rifles. The problem with that though, is anti-gunners want all our semi-autos, than bolt actions, than single actions, and down the line. We gun owners need to stick together.
CFG, maybe you should go out plinking sometime with an AR and see how much fun it can be.

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from Armchair Mike wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Full-auto fire, dang it, fumble fingers.

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from Lesta.223 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

A little disapointed not to see the Colt Accurized Rifle on the list. Probably top 5 for most accurate AR's out there.

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from dannyjs25 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

There's nothing wrong with using an AR for hunting, so long as you use the right caliber. ARs are generally easier to clean and adapt for personal uses. Also, you can feel good about beating them up, cos they're pretty tough.

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from Cheap Shot wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I'm an avid hunter and rifleman and LOVE the AR-15 for competition and varmints! And whether you like it or not, so long as we're still allowed to have guns, it's here to stay! I think it's awesome the variety of configurations and calibers that are and are increasingly becoming available for this platform - greater than any other rifle in history!

And don't even get me started talking about civilian gun training, the DCM, etc!

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from bscoones wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I think that seeing this gun that is similar to one we would see carried by a soilder brings a negative connotation with it for the majority of people gun owners or not, sportsmen or not. If these guns are what you really hunt with then fine, but I don't think anyone should be surprised when people are turned off or even feel nervous or threated around it. Personally I don't find a need for a gun like this. I will stick to the 12 gauge and bolt riffle, that is my comfort zone. No need to be critical of each opinion either way.

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from rocketman121 wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

I wish I had a chance to shoot an AR or AK. They are both nice guns.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
-Col. Jeff Cooper, from The Art of the Rifle

“The peaceable part of mankind will be continually overrun by the vile and abandoned while they neglect the means of self-defence. The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader and the plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. The balance of power is the scale of peace. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside.... Horrid mischief would ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them; . . . the weak will become prey.”
-Thomas Paine (1737-1809), in "Thoughts on Defensive War", in The Pennsylvania Magazine, July 1775

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
-George Orwell

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Correction!

The fact of the matter is there is no difference in function between the Model 750™ Woodsmaster™ and the AR15!

Ok so I Moosed up sue me you Freedom Freeloader!

What a wonderful day it is :)

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from j-johnson17 wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

The DPMS website has a ton of rifles. I think I'm going to look into the Panther Bull 24 or the Panther Bull 24 Special. They are all pretty sweet!!!

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from Jack Cormack wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

Having "used" one since 1971, untill my last trip to the desert, and owned one Colt, and now have a DPMS with a 24" barrel. I think I can say that the latest one is NOT an assult rifle, nor was my M-4 a primo hunting rifle. They are a well designed and functional weapon, and having put at least a few thousand rounds down range each year, for 38 years, can say that there were times that I wished that I had, had that 24" barrel to reach out and touch that target, that my M-4 was not barreled for. Also having been trained and trained other troops with the M-14, and seen these same troops fire the M-16/ AR weapons, have proof that the lighter recoil, made them better marksman. After handling that weapon for 38 years it comes to shoulder automaticly, and even with the bi-focals the iron sights are on target as second nature. With the addition of a .450 Thumper, or .50 Beowulf upper you have an excellant brush gun, and the new 6.8 SPC gets a lot more lead down range for Whitetail sized game, than the 5.56/.223. For the coyotes that like to make a try for my wifes pygmy goats here at the house/farm, the .556, gets the job done right NOW, as my eleven year old grand daughter did last week. This brings up RECOIL, the little girl can handle the 6.8 as well, due to that buffer assembly,(my 03-A3, and M1 are both on the heavy side,in both weight and recoil, for a 64 pound, 11 year old). I give the AR series a Thumbs up for hunting, as well as a mult-purpose rifle for starting young, or new shooters with.

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from Elkaholic wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

1,651,558 Semi-auto gun owners killed no-one yesterday. I love em, keep it coming. I use mine almost 3 times a week to relieve stress. Oh and I do work for the local Sheriff's office. They are not a problem, more people are affraid of them for not understanding them. I say let them shoot it I GUARENTEE they will love it. You can also fire a semi-auto weapon fully automatic without changing any of the hardware.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

I got to say those Range Monkeys using the term ASSAULT RIFLE and saying you can convert AR’s to full auto , shows me there true lack of knowledge and pure ignorance!

The AR’s have the same advantage as my Thompson Center Encore with the ability as the Encore changing barrels as with the AR’s you can simply change the uppers out within seconds for a vast variety of cartridges from varmint busters to big game thumpers!

An assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat, with "selective fire" (capable of shooting in both fully automatic and semi automatic modes). GET THAT RANGE MONKEY! Assault rifles are the standard infantry weapons in most modern armies, having largely superseded or supplemented larger and more powerful battle rifles such as the M14, FN FAL and the Heckler & Koch G3. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle, AK-47, M4 carbine, and the Steyr AUG.

Hey Range Monkey key word “SELECTIVE FIRE!”

GET IT!

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from DakotaMan wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Like it or not folks, the AR platform is the wave of the future after over 50 years of evolution. The bolt rifles of the late 1800's (I still consider my #1 rifle to be a M98 Mauser desiged in the 1870's) are no longer the only show in town. Semi-automatic firearms have also been on the hunting scene for over 50 years now and continue to gain a stonger following every year as the manufacturers continue to improve accuracy, reliability and flexibility. I have shot most of the commercial hunting rifles available for the last 50 years and will have to say that my Bushmaster Varminter with a 24" heavy barrel is rapidly becoming my sporting rifle of choice. With no improvements other than reloaded cartriges, I get less than 1/2 inch groups. I can shoot targets all day cheap and there is really no comparison with a bolt rifle for hunting coyotes. As a matter of fact, it is one of the few factory rifles I have been able to use for reliably shooting house flies at 100 yards. With a 5 round magazine, I don't feel that I have any greater advantage against game than my dad did with his Remington 740 over 50 years ago. It is a great sporting rifle and it is here to stay. I still hunt with my relics as well but I can see why they don't use them for serious business any more.

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from SAND BAGGER wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

DakotaMan It looks like the way of the bolt gun is fading away! Your right about the AR platform, so much you can do with it witout taking it to a Gun Smith including barrel change!

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from ishawooa wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Clay no doubt in haste you either meant WWII or 03 Springfield in your previous post as the 03A3 production was initiated by Remington and Smith-Corona in 1942. Either way your point is well taken.

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from czaroftexas wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Love it!! Wish i could afford it!! Feel free to send it to me!!

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from KNak wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Lots of comments here some good, some bad but if you get to the bottom of this, the anti gunners need no excuses to base any comment on and the AR 15 has become a popular varmint / predator rifle in the heavy barrel versions. I owned a Colt AR15A1 back in the seventies and it served well as a rock chuck device around our hay and grain fields. I hunted with a friend who owned an early Ruger M-77 Varminter in .22-250 and found that the .223 could do about anything .22-250 does, the results just were not as impressive. My current AR15 is a Olympic Arms PCR (Politically Correct Rifle) with 26" heavy barrel and impressive accuracy, clover leafs at 100 yards using surplus 55 grain FMJs. This rifle is also proving to be a useful if not fun tool for predator control.

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from glockman wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

To CFG7613: Every sportsman ought to have an AR in their closet and more are buying them for the first time every day. These types of rifles have become very mainstream. Catch up with the times.

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from Tohopka wrote 4 years 16 weeks ago

oh my gosh #10!!!

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from tandm4150 wrote 4 years 13 weeks ago

I am a gun dealer and sell a lot of black rifles. I just cannot bring myself to use one to hunt. I actually use and H&R single shot and usually only hunt varmint because I am of the belief that you get one shot. I hear these guys blast away with AR's or even bolt actions and I think I am back in Vietnam. If I miss with a single shot he lives for another day - but I usually do not miss!!

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from MAA3011 wrote 4 years 12 weeks ago

A PERSON AUTOMATICALLY HAS A OPINION OF WHAT A HUNTING RIFLE LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE. e.g. Remington 700.NOW AN AR MAKES IT TO THE HUNTING RIFLE STAGE. ARMALITE, BUSHMASTER ARE PRODUCING RIFLES WHILE THEY LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG IN A MILITARY ARMORY, THEY HAVE PROVEN THAT THEY CAN AND WILL EVENTUALLY BECOME A MORE FREQENT STABLE IN THE HUNT ARMS ARENA. WHILE I CAN NEVER EXPECT TO SEE THEM AS REGULAR PREFORMER DURING HUNTING SEASON IT IS NICE TO A CONVERSION FROM ACR'S AS JUST BEING A WEAPON FOR ARMED CONFRONTATION. I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS, SUCH AS THE MOST APPROPRIATE OPTICS. BUT, MY MAJOR CONCERN IS THE LIMITATION IN CALIBER THAT AR SEEM TO OFFER, 5.56 BEING THE PRIMARY CALIBER OFFERING AND WHILE THAT MAY BE USEFULL FOR MY LOCAL WHITETAIL HUNT. I SURE WOULD BE RELUCTANT TO SET OFF OUT ELK CAMP WITH SAME CALIBER. I AM ALSO CONCERNED AS TO DATA THAT SEEMS TO BE LACKING IN LETS SAY A 300 YARD SHOT AT A BROADSIDE 6X6 ELK. HOW DOES THE ROUND PREFORM, WHAT IS THE TRAJECTORY AS FAR AS THE ROUNDS ABILITY TO STAY ON IT'S INTENDED COURSE. I LOOK FORWARD IN THE COMING YEARS TO SEE HOW THIS DEBATE PROGRESSES. THANK YOU, MAA.

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from DR angler wrote 4 years 11 weeks ago

I think this rifle is awsome!! And it is from the way it looks And fires. I'd love to have one of my own but I can't afford it. I have shot many of these AR-15's and there's no wonder there so popular.
-DR

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from Aimless wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

What will Field and Stream's "Hero" Chuck Schumer think when he sees this article about the rifles he has tried send all of you to prison for owning?

http://schumer.senate.gov/new_website/record.cfm?id=305295

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from cmjohnson wrote 4 years 9 weeks ago

Those of you who are against black semi-auto rifles probably just LOVE your old fashioned bolt rifle.

But look at history: The rifle you favor most is a developed version of rifles that were developed for MILITARY usage and adopted by all the military forces around the world. Your good old fashioned "sporting" bolt-action hunting rifle with a Mauser type action is derived from the ASSAULT WEAPONS OF THEIR DAY.

Get with the program. Times are changing, rifles are changing, and the future of the hunter's rifle is not blued steel and walnut with a Mauser bolt type action. It's semi-automatic, black, plastic, steel and aluminum, has an integrated rail system, and it WORKS.

Quit being a FUDD and start being a GUN RIGHTS SUPPORTER. ALL guns. All guns are good. Some are better than others but if you're in favor of some guns but against others, you're part of the problem. You might as well go ahead and send some contributions to the Brady Campaign, because, like you, they want to ban ALL guns...one type at a time. Even YOUR preferred type is on their list, and don't be dumb enough to think otherwise.

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from plevena1 wrote 4 years 6 weeks ago

ARs would be fine for plinking & gophers[ probably a lot of fun] I just hope there isn't too much wasted venison from the 30 rounds.

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from honkwilliams wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

My dad taught me, and I still believe today, that there are two kinds of gun owners: sportsmen and gun nuts. I don't think that it should be illegal to use an AR or other automatic rifle to hunt deer. But I don't think it is as sporting, sorry. Make up your mind. You wanna be Daniel Boone or Rambo?

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from jsh3fan wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

ya know CFG you sound like all the idiaot liberals all over this country, if you dont like something thats fine. Ban one type of gun ban all. No one ask you to by a ar-15 or variant. So get back in the closet with your old buddy hillary and osucka, and probably obite me

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from CPT BRAD wrote 4 years 47 weeks ago

My only critisism is that they didn't put in the Kel Tec PLR 16 I would like to see something on it.

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from Hunter Savage wrote 4 years 46 weeks ago

i have had ar 15's for years and i love them.
while they are not my cup of tea as a deer gun . they are a great wood chuck and coyote gun . and i think any one who wants to use one as a deer gun is more than welcome to . in new york we cant use more than a five round mag for deer . so other than looks how is it any different than an old Remington 742 woods master. to those that want to say they dont belong in the deer woods fine, thats your opinion and you have a right to it. but do us all a favor and keep it to your self . because telling some one what gun to hunt with is a lot like telling them what color they better paint their house. and just as much your business NONE !!!!

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from alfadawg wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

sorry....that should read..."his was not an opinion, it was a criticism."

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Looks like CFG7613 has been voted off the Island!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

MADGator

Good morning sunshine, haven’t you got out on the wrong side of the bed today!

I wonder what they said about the first casting real, SOB’s need to fish with a stick and a string just like Grandpa here! First of all, what’s the problem hunting with an AR, I hunt with not just with an AR15, but M1A and M1 Garand. Now you going to tell me the Garand isn’t a good hunting rifle too!

I don’t really care for Beer and finding my Turkey in the bottom of a bottle, but you don’t hear me rant and raving about everyone having a nip or two providing all the guns have been cleaned and put-up for the night including the wood cut and other chores in camp has been done. Besides, I do enjoy doing the camp chores and being the designated driver!

I sagest to you Sir to set back and think about the real similarities these firearms do have not by looks alone. One mechanical change does change the firearms function and use! If you make one item to be prohibited, isn’t that a stepping stone for the next one, the one you have think about it!

There are MOONBATS out there that truly believe the Human Race should be exterminated to save the planet!

I believe in those people to be prochoice should start with themselves first! Whats good for one, should be good for them too!

go figure!

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from Jere Smith wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

WOWie! The first poster sure got things stirred up! Sounded like Ms Peelousey & Rush Limbaugh having at it!

It too me a while to get through all this, enjoyed everyone but the "idjits" (thankfully few) who echoed cfg's rant! Have not had this much fun since my Grannie fell down the stairs! ( Not really but my Gramp used to say that!)

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from mbkin99 wrote 4 years 44 weeks ago

CB, Thanks for your service brother.

Ar's are awesome rifles and thanks F&S for a great article.

Tired of anti 2nd amendment folks trying to ram there doctrine down my throat. Hunting has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment. Obama was very tactical in using hunting as a forum to make people believe he was for the 2nd amendment. Pro 2nd amendment folks don't try and make anybody buy or own a firearm. That's a choice you are free to make.

Ar's are great rifles weather you hunt, plink, or defend with them, so was the m1 Garand, the k98 Mauser, and countless others. The Ar will be here for a long time.

Thanks again CB

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from climate_zero wrote 4 years 42 weeks ago

My personal choice would be the FN SCAR. Great gun. I wonder if people in the 1920's debated the importance of the man killing military 30-06 caliber. The fact is the military spends lots of money learning what works and that's what they buy. I think that we should all be greatful that we get to fallow in their foot steps, weather you know it or not by watching them you can save youself alot of money. Not just on guns but camping gear and other "military tech". I seriously doubt any one would say that GPS has no place in Field and Stream but it was born for the military. Oh yeah, if it shoots well and is cheap to shoot it's for hunting. I've never seen an animal refuse death in the face of being shot with an inferior rifle.

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from Confederate-La wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

Mr. Humphries I would like to thank you for your articles on the AR rifles, they were excellent, just wish you would have emphasized a little more on the Olympic Arms, excellent rifles at a moderate price. I enjoy the M4’s AK, and the SKS, the 1903, Marlins 45/70, Shotguns hand guns ect if you get my point. I was a little disappointed with some of the blogs, a lot of good points were made, (KenD some great points but you need to reduce your calibers of concern quite a bit, if you get my hint) but the bickering sounded like a bunch of old hens. CFG, and MADGator, guys each to his own, Clay C, brother don’t drag yourself to others levels

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from Hunt_Hard wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Good Stuff. Remington R-15 VTR Predator Carbine CS is the BEST hands down!

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from Elkaholic wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Now available in the .50 cal, and it uses the same m-4 frame, all you have to do is change out the upper reciever.

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Now if they can make them lighter!

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

By the way, the Remington R-15 uper can be changed out with the AR uper

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from Blackwidow wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

While I must admit I love all the high tech weapons I had a thought today about my next blog tomorrow. Todays' weapons versus the ones gone by.
What Im thinking is high tech of today vs the 30-30 of yesterday. You know its not all about the gun its also about the hunter. See my post tomorrow on this subject at the below address.

The Black Widow http://www.blackwidowhuntingmadefun.blogspot.com

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from mikegilbert wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

If you don't like ARs, then don't read the article! More ARs have been sold in the past year than at any time in history and more people are using them for hunting today than at any time in history. On another subject, I don't get the M4 barrel, I mean, how many people have a grenade launcher to attach to it?

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from nvrs wrote 4 years 22 weeks ago

Pretty slick grouping of 25, But there are plenty of ones overlooked that can be put together from a kit like a model(Maybe there should be a top 25 of those?)... Makes you feel good to build something out of a box and have it perform like the best of the best. As far as the old fudds out there posting comments about how they cant stand these types of gun, they need to step back and assess that they are eventually going to lose their rights if they don't understand that the younger generation is into these and they need to help get them get into the sport by whatever means, even if it is an EBR. Eventually they will turn out at the local range with some old bolt gun that they bought or inherited and will have a blast with it, keeping the thoughts and dreams of the old fudd alive...

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from Fr. Frog wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Wake up! There is way to much name calling going on within the shooting sports.

There are no better or worse shooting activities nor good or bad guns. Yet each sport seems to attract those who condemn the other sports or firearms types, i.e. the trap and skeet shooters with their high priced shotguns think pistol sports are "bad." Rifle target shooters think Class 3 fans are nuts; "black guns" vs traditional rifles, etc, on and on and on. This good gun-bad gun attitude among shooters plays right into the antigun crowd's hands who will work on their nefarious plans banning one "bad" gun after another until all "bad" guns have been banned.  

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from padrezac wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

I entertained the same negative thoughts about the AR platform for awhile, all thanks to the press. I've tried a few and find them accurate and worthy as a hunting rifle. I agree that a Hi Cap mag is pushing it a little for big game seasons, but fine for varmints and predators.
I have most every type of firearm and have one that will shoot 1" groups at 200 yds verified. Its a .243 Win in an R25.
BTW, the 2nd amendment isn't about hunting arms.
Regarding the preponderance of AR'sin the hunting/shooting mags recently, I agree that it gets to be a bit much. But its what's exciting to the larger number of folks, I guess. I too prefer the good old fashined hunting stories. The magazines will print what is demanded by dollars. Enough requests will bring what's desired. Write the publisher instead of ranting.
I used to tell my sister when she started whining, "Change it, talk to someone who can or shut up." I'll say it more politely to those here who disagree, of course. Thanks for your opinions, though!

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from glcanon wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Anti-gunners don't give a hoot in he!L whether our rifles hv wooden stocks and resemble WW2 rifles or are black and resemble Vietnam era rifles. CFG, what rifle ought I to have? A $3000 vintage Sako? Wanna give me yours? Nancy Pelosi said if it was up to her she would take away every firearm from every Joe and Jeannie America, including pistols. So if we do not hang together we will all surely hang separately. We saw what a democrat controlled Congress did under Clinton where even our magazines were regulated. These are the same socialists who want to control every aspect of our lives and want citizens totally dependent upon govtmnt funding for all health, well-being and livelihood. If anything they've gotten much more radical. Just vote NO to that socialist party and preserve our Constitutional and 2nd amendment rights.

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from snowshooze wrote 4 years 19 weeks ago

Thanks Guys!
I am just amazed at all the hardware now available of which I was unaware!
I recently became interested in the AR style rifles, and had never considered the black rifle a hunter. But now I have realized the utility of them and got over all that. Rugged reliability and accuracy are two features in common with assault rifles and hunters. And with the larger chamberings now available, they become viable hunters. Thanks for showing several different manufacturers, I will soon be making a purchase in probably the .338 Federal.
Great article!
Thanks,
Mark

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from ricochet wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

If you think about it, probably a hundred&fifty or so years ago, some people were complaining about bolt actions and lever guns ( well, maybe not ) but my point is that the AR's are here to stay and they do have sporting uses AND self defense uses. Thats the way it's supposed to be. What difference does it make what it's used for? Thats another thing about our Constitution, freedom of choice. I myself am getting a little fed up with people telling me what kind of guns I should have, what kind of insurance I should have,what kind of car I should drive, what my salary should be, etc.,etc. We need to quit this PC stuff about worrying how the antis will look at a particular firearm and that it may "upset" them. Hell, I WANT to upset them! Let them know once and for all(again) that all guns are protected by the 2nd amendment, even full auto with a permit!
The thing is, I don't want to have to get a permit for the rest of the guns, and thats what will happen if we coddle those people. You know what comes next..
As someone mentioned earlier, we need to stick together and don't do the antis a favor by arguing among ourselves.
Great..Now I got myself all worked up and I think I'm going to have to go look at some AR's tommorrow. I don't know if I should thank you or curse you because they are awful expensive!

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from wlewisiii wrote 4 years 18 weeks ago

Ho hum. A NRA drone is trying to push black guns and there's pleanty of FUD when someone doesn't like the. Big surprise, eh, that's how the NRA keeps the bucks rolling in from suckers like you that they try keep scared of "evil gun grabbers".

As for trying one, I used one for 16 years. Garbage design then, garbage design now. You want a decent rifle, buy anything non AR. A 100 year old Mauser is a better buy. A M1A, SKS or FAL if you want a "black gun" or even an AK. But I'd rather take a bolt action into combat than carry one of those POS AR's ever again.

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from bighunter wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

dude ive never seen a -131 sorry but, holy crap!!!
I THINK THAT SEMI AUTOS ARE USFULL AND ITS JUST THE PROGRESSION OF MODERN RIFLES

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from barneybuilding wrote 4 years 14 weeks ago

If you think an AR15 is not a sporting rifle then you have never hunted with one over a dog town.
nothing can sharpen your shooting skills for a big game hunt quite like it.

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from polarisgold wrote 4 years 4 weeks ago

I love these guns! However, unless I missed it I did not see the Ruger. I can't believe they did not make the list.

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from jasonmarinvet wrote 4 years 3 weeks ago

The difference between a hunting rifle and any other rifle that used as an "assault rifle" (if you even want to call it that) is the manner in which it is used. I can go and take a .22 and rob a store with it, or a M40A1 Sniper rifle and go moose hunting. Like the saying goes, "Guns don't kill people, People kill people", the same can be said for those who use the guns stupidly "Hunters don't have Assault Rifles, criminals have assault rifles."

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from AdreasJohannsen wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

I don't know where CFG7613 is from what country or what constittution IF ANY they live under, but this idea that what a firearm LOOKS LIKE makes ANY difference to its use functionality or suitableness for ownership is much more about fundmental PROPERTY RIGHTS than about the natural law right to self protection and preservation.

Your right to own anAR platform firearm is exactly the same right you have to buy or paint your ncar or truck or house whatever color you want. It is the same PROPERTY RIGHT.

Give up ONE aspect of that right and the ones you surrender it to will soon tell you that you can have any color vehicle you want as long as it is high visibility green and glows in the dark.

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from jsh3fan wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

ya know CFG you sound like all the idiaot liberals all over this country, if you dont like something thats fine. Ban one type of gun ban all. No one ask you to by a ar-15 or variant. So get back in the closet with your old buddy hillary and osucka, and probably obite me

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from sharpshooter82 wrote 3 years 40 weeks ago

actually, assault rifles are great guns to use for hunting...believe me...its a revolution to america's pasttime!!!

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from Yonder wrote 3 years 37 weeks ago

A flintlock was an assault rifle (musket) when used against British oppressors 200+ years ago. Get over it, and don't add to dissention (that's disagreement for the unwashed) for the anti's by quibbling over a firearm that looks different. A gun is a gun. What would you say about a 30 round banana magazine on my Remington 700?

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

As i read through some of these posts, I am a little confused with some of the opinions that I have read. I feel the same as many of you in regards to being able to have, own, and shoot any type of firearm I should ever desire. That would include fully auto guns. "AR" type rifles determines Armilite configuration, not Assault-rifle. I am 100% American and a reasonable law abiding person. I have just started getting into the "AR" type and I have much interest. Other than the way they look, I do not see any difference from my Rem. 740, M1 Carbine, Garand, or any other semi-type firearm. From what I've found, one can get a multitude of configurations. Many or all of good sound hunting rounds. 223,243,308, and even a fairly new round in a 6.8? All are and have been excellent rounds for hunting. I personally feel that the term Assault Rifle is nothing more than what has been made a negative reference of anti gun opinion. If you can make it sound bad, it must be bad antage attitude. Why should any law abiding American not have the right to own what ever type of gun they might desire? YES and that includes FULL AUTO! Maybe some legislation should be put into effect to have violent offenders get real justice instead of being put in jail and sit and live better than some working people trying to survive. This subject has a plethora of reasons for change of attitudes. The first should be that WE all join together as one for our 2nd amendment right. Lets try to remember, there are a ton of other countries that have gun control issues, maybe some should think of other places to live, hey, Kalifornia might be a good start for some. There gun control laws are some of the most restricted in our States, N.Y. is another one that is coming close as well. So that's my 2 cents.

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 25 weeks ago

In my opinion, the AR15 platform rifle is by far the most versitile of rifles ever made. There is a reason itis our longest lasting service rifle of the US military.

Don't like semi auto? It can be made single shot. Don't want semi auto, but want more than single shot? Disable the gas system. Want a larger caliber? No problem the Ar15 chambers most any caliber, and if it won't fit in an Ar15 action it'll likely fit in the Ar10 action. Want to change out the purpose of the gun in seconds? Buy a collection of uppers, and use one lower for all uppers.

Go from big game hunting, to varmint hunting, to bench rest shooting, to plinking etc... It is excellent for a home defense weapon due to the ballistics of the 5.56 round which doesn't penetrate nearly as many walls as the 45 acp for example.

The AR15 is a rifle that is suitable for nearly every shooter of just about any age. It is, in my opinion, more ergonomic than a traditional bolt action, and I own several rifles bolt action and semi auto.

I can not think of a bad thing about the AR 15 rifle, other than the bad people who use it to do bad things. But that can be said about any other WEAPON ever known to man.

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from alfadawg wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Never forget how badly Zumbo hurt & seperated our gun community. Forever be aware of the, "Zumbo mentality". Let us be tolarant of of choices & above all not opeanly critical of personal choices. We all might note, how after his fall from grace, Zumbo & a few of his writer buddies are attempting to sneak him back into their midst. Zumbo was opeanly critical of these rifle formats. His was not an opean. We must be united

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

Firearms are like Women and if every Woman was the same, wouldn’t that be a very distasteful life!

It cost Adam a rib for Eve, I just wonder what would life would have been if it costed him an arm and a leg?

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from Clay Cooper wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

Hey Brother taliaferro24

Assault rifles are illegal to use in all 50 states!

Another factoid Range Monkeys cannot fathom!

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Confederate-La

You’re absolutely right Bro!

How in the hell can you have a battle of wits with an unarmed mind! They lost already and don’t know it. They remind me of Guinea Roosters swooping up on train tracks taking on locomotives!

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well - lots of comments above; some decent - some confrontational, some just damn dumb (you know who you are!). The readers of F&S are not the same class of gentlemen from 20-30 years ago...but then neither is the world. I think a lot of you will get your wish...the subscription will not be renewed and the posting of thoughts and opinions will stop right now. I think I'm glad to be "voted off the island" if the natives are typical of some of the above comments. If anybody can decipher what Vassilyjung is trying to say up above...be sure and let him know too-for his benefit.

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from USMarine1058 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

Dear CFG, can you say "Diversity"? I love ALL guns and am happy to read and study whatever is written about them. And, shame on you for your close mindedness and bigotry against black rifles. I love their history, engineering, and most importantly, the liberty which gives me the blessing of owning and hunting with them. Guess what,...AR rifles are the most popular rifles in America, and market driven forces dictate what F&S places in their publication, so the articles on my beloved rifles will do doubt keep on coming.

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from LEATHERNECK762 wrote 4 years 21 weeks ago

since we are on the topic of the way a gun looks < lets not forget that marine coprs snipers use a version of the remmington .308.. a very commen hunting rifel, and really is it the look of a gun that scares you??? you should be more concerned with how it preforms and who is owning them?? i can make a squirt gun look dangerous!! and blhar15 is right we need to band toghether on all guns and laws trying to restict our rights as responsable owners!!!

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from bigbuck27 wrote 4 years 19 weeks ago

Who care what the rifle looks like as long as it shots good and can kill anything i want to shot at im glad with it. me i like the looks of these guns personaly i like the r-25 remington .308 its a great gun so arnt all these AR rifels. alot of these rifels are better than most of are old fasion rifels that i geuss "every man should have in his closet". any gun that can kill a deer is good in my book.

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from Steve Marlin wrote 4 years 16 weeks ago

First let me say "thank you" to CPT Brad for his most excellent service and input to this discussion.

Secondly, to echo CPT Brad, the AR 15 today really an advanced platform for high performance shooting. For folks open to the idea, the AR 15 design features are really very handy hunting features.

I look forward to other gun manufactures matching the positive features of the AR15 so we have even better weapons to pick from in the future.

Just so you know my bias, I'm a former infantryman and current deer/varmint hunter. I only use the AR15 for varmint hunting.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 47 weeks ago

In the past I neveer wanted an AR, but that was because I did not care for the caliber. It''s illegal in most states for Deer. Now that they have come out with more "Hairy Chested" calibers I may opt for a338 Lapua.

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from Jere Smith wrote 3 years 47 weeks ago

Or Maybe the .50 Beowulf for Grizz country.

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from Armory Airbrush wrote 3 years 43 weeks ago

As for what happened to the magazine question from the first comment. The magazine is no longer written on stone tablets. It can now be viewed with binary translators. Welcome to the future.

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from easternwolf wrote 3 years 41 weeks ago

id like to see an ar in .30-06, but thats just me.

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from bobby072 wrote 3 years 34 weeks ago

I would not hunt with one of these, but I would love to have one to add to my collection.

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from Flhrci wrote 3 years 25 weeks ago

The AR is a great all around rifle. Those that cant stand the general public owning military style rifles are part of the problem. While they are great rifles for certain hunting situations, That is not the intent....Those of you that wet the bed at those of us that have them.......mission accomplished

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

As i read through some of these posts, I am a little confused with some of the opinions that I have read. I feel the same as many of you in regards to being able to have, own, and shoot any type of firearm I should ever desire. That would include fully auto guns. "AR" type rifles determines Armilite configuration, not Assault-rifle. I am 100% American and a reasonable law abiding person. I have just started getting into the "AR" type and I have much interest. Other than the way they look, I do not see any difference from my Rem. 740, M1 Carbine, Garand, or any other semi-type firearm. From what I've found, one can get a multitude of configurations. Many or all of good sound hunting rounds. 223,243,308, and even a fairly new round in a 6.8? All are and have been excellent rounds for hunting. I personally feel that the term Assault Rifle is nothing more than what has been made a negative reference of anti gun opinion. If you can make it sound bad, it must be bad antage attitude. Why should any law abiding American not have the right to own what ever type of gun they might desire? YES and that includes FULL AUTO! Maybe some legislation should be put into effect to have violent offenders get real justice instead of being put in jail and sit and live better than some working people trying to survive. This subject has a plethora of reasons for change of attitudes. The first should be that WE all join together as one for our 2nd amendment right. Lets try to remember, there are a ton of other countries that have gun control issues, maybe some should think of other places to live, hey, Kalifornia might be a good start for some. There gun control laws are some of the most restricted in our States, N.Y. is another one that is coming close as well. So that's my 2 cents.

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from mesaman wrote 3 years 3 weeks ago

Sorry I went off on a tangent. I love all my guns and will get more as time goes on. All guns are good! Hunting, plinking, protection, or maybe just for fun or show. We should not have ANY of OUR rights infringed on at all! They are all good as long as they are used safely and respectfully. It's our right and our tradition! We all need to join together. A semi action is a semi action, some just look different and not as traditional. Does anyone even realize that a Thompson sub machine gun could be had by any US person even back in the 1920's? It was made to be a "Bad" gun from our government! Thats scary to me

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from 8TLbsBalls wrote 2 years 43 weeks ago

Well, I have 2 AR's, and I love them both. I have used one of them for deer/coyote hunting, and in MD, it is illegal to use a firearm categorized as an "assault rifle" for hunting with more than 5 rounds, which is fine with me. I also use them both for plinking. I think some people forget that people kill people, not guns, and if someone really wants to harm someone else, they could use anything to do so, i.e., a brick, rock, stick, etc. Does that make them assault weapons? Are we going to waste everyone's time and tax dollars pushing legislation to ban those to? I'm with Blue Ridge, I own a 10/22 semi. Should be ban that now, lol?

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from jawarren00 wrote 2 years 30 weeks ago

I think the reason these weapons are becoming popular is that since the 1960's, millions of veterans have trained and used ar style weapons. As a Gulf War Veteran, I was trained and was highly qualified with these style weapons. It is only natural for vets like me to convert our training to use in a hunting environment. Although I am sure that these people could use, and in fact many most likely do use traditional hunting rifles to hunt, it is a matter of familiarity and comfort for these people. It would be no different than my father, who was a WWII veteran to use a springfield rifle to hunt with, which is exactly what he used for over 30 years, until his death this last January.

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from Deerslayer55 wrote 2 years 27 weeks ago

Yikes!!! How can you do a review of the Top 25 AR rifles and not include either the LaRue Tactical OBR (Optimized Battle Rifle) or the LaRue Tactical "PredatAR" -- the lightest 5.56 AR rifle on the planet. These are super accurate, finely crafted machined (not cast) rifles made in "the Dead Center of Texas." With every item you purchase from them, you get a bumper sticker that says, "God Bless our Troops, Especially our Snipers"! If that isn't enough in all of its totality to make the Top 25, then I don't know what is....

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from ChicagoGunSmith wrote 2 years 25 weeks ago

If it is not fully automatic, it is not an ASSAULT rifle.

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from Robert White wrote 1 year 38 weeks ago

Some will never be able to change the way they shoot. Old timers will need 4x4s and 12 pound rifles with 9 pound trigger pulls. I stalk I don't use a stand. My rifle is light weight AR and my back up is 629 with a 3 inch and carbine loads. With that much pistol I cant afford to carry a bunch of walnut and glass. Im not shooting over 350 yards and I can walk about 22 miles round trip if I just want to go on a walk in the woods. So don't think I will bend to your ways. I don't need your advice to enjoy my ways, but you might enjoy mine if you did not eat so many TV dinners in the warming glow of the idiot box.

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from beanap wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

oh shut up cfg its people like you whom i want to pop with my black rifle

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 33 weeks ago

Well - lots of comments above; some decent - some confrontational, some just damn dumb (you know who you are!). The readers of F&S are not the same class of gentlemen from 20-30 years ago...but then neither is the world. I think a lot of you will get your wish...the subscription will not be renewed and the posting of thoughts and opinions will stop right now. I think I'm glad to be "voted off the island" if the natives are typical of some of the above comments. If anybody can decipher what Vassilyjung is trying to say up above...be sure and let him know too-for his benefit.

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from anoldsniper wrote 3 years 38 weeks ago

I agree that AR's weren't made for hunting game for the dinner table. They have a place but NOT for "normal" hunting

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from Nic Meador wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

WHERES THE DANG ROCK RIVERS!!! All of my dads ar's are rock rivers. With handloads they all shoot 1 inch groups at 300 yards. of course they all have crisp clean 3 pound triggers.

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from Vassilyjung wrote 4 years 34 weeks ago

CFG, you're a fop. Vote with your feet.

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from taliaferro24 wrote 4 years 35 weeks ago

who uses a assult rifle for hunting??

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from MADGator wrote 4 years 45 weeks ago

I don't give a rat's behind for reading about these new-fangled boomsticks used for hunting. What in the name of Zeuss has happened to this magazine?!? What happened to articles about how to find a good, dry cave to live in; the hardships of stalking a wooly mammoth; or tips on HOW TO AVOID POSTING IN ALL CAPS AND END UP LOOKING LIKE AN INTERNET TROLL WITH YOUR KNEE-JERK, REACTIONARY RANTING!!!1!!!1!! You need to ditch this firearm rubbish and talk about the weapons every hunter should own, like flint hand-axes and pointy sticks!

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from DeerTracker wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

hey cfg i got a couple ar15 type eapons over here at my place....how about you come and try to take them away for me??

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from hhohn wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I agree with cfg. However, my pre-teen boys like to see rifles that look like assault weapons.

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

Wow - got a lot of dialogue started...Deertracker's post 8 entries above is typical of the defensive attitude some gun owners display that gives us all a bad name...looking to pick a fight. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion-me included...Zumbo was right !

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from hellgie1 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I like F&S and I like my old Colt AR for plinking, but this article to me has the same relevance as a review of the top 25 custom samurai swords. They look real neat, people (some people, anyhow) collect them, and I suppose you could use one for dispatching a tuna or quartering an elk, but really, is that why you read F&S. I think it's easy to look at the list and see which of these rifles has the sportsman in mind and i think a much shorter list would have been more appropriate. Plenty of magazines specialize in these types of reviews, but you don't see Guns and Ammo running a spread on the Rapala vs Yozuri debate. No need for F&S to steal their market share.

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from fargo2222 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I don't mind this type of rifle, its not an assault weapon, but it sends the wrong message to non-sportsmen. You might say it gives them more ammo against us.
Also I get tired of all the arguements in favor of true assault weapons, that "its just a semi-automatic". We have to keep in mind that it is very easy to convert those semi's to fully automatic weapons. It's become a real problem. Just ask Law Enforcement officals.
The big question tho is, why do they have more guns per capita in Canada but no where near the murder rate that we have in the good ol' U.S.A.?

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from CFG7613 wrote 4 years 48 weeks ago

I DON'T GIVE A HOOT IN HELL ABOUT READING ABOUT ASSAULT RIFLES USED FOR HUNTING. GEEZ LOUISE!! WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THIS MAGAZINE??!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONTHLY FIELD TEST OF 4X4 VEHICLES...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WRITERS LIKE GENE HILL THAT COULD WRITE AN ARTICLE AND MAKE A LUMP APPEAR IN YOUR THROAT...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ARTICLES ABOUT THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS OF DEER CAMP. GET OFF THIS ASSAULT RIFLE GARBAGE AND WRITE ABOUT GUNS EVERY SPORTSMAN OUGHT TO HAVE IN HIS CLOSET!!!!!!

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Michael O. Humphries spent seven years on the editorial staff of NRA’s American Rifleman magazine before going freelance to cover military-pattern firearms for a variety of gun magazines, including Field & Stream's sister publication SHOT Business.
 
Humphries has attended many amorer’s courses and shooting schools while researching articles, including events held at Gunsite, Direct Action Resource Center, the Crucible and U.S. Training Center (formerly known as Blackwater USA). He lives in North Carolina.